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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 10:43am On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka:still missing it hey? A rich parent may not give his inheritance to his child... It really happens...Simple! its not constant..get it?
lol..we both know.. Nvm tho |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by shadeyinka(m): 10:55am On Nov 03, 2016 |
raphieMontella: How about other traits: genetic makeup, physiology, etc. You have focused only about wealth inheritance. Is it wrong for me to inherit my parents strength, speed, height, etc?. You know, I could also inherit from the sickle cell anemia, dwarfism, sluggishness etc. We see all these above in light of the law of inheritance! Now, even if I inherited the SS gene, I have the choice of reversing it if a medical solution is discovered. Don't you think so? Suppose, even after the solution to the SS problem is presented, I choose against it. It can never be the fault of the solution providers. My choice could be based on me enjoying the sympathy people pour on me when I break down. Whatever the case, by my choice, I have to decide to take the solution or not. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by FSMs: 10:58am On Nov 03, 2016 |
ValentineMary:Christians Call the Muslim God Allah and Not God why Should Atheist Give Christians the respect By Call Yahweh God and Not Yahweh? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 11:00am On Nov 03, 2016 |
raphieMontella: [b]Now let me ask you a very simple question; now, does it take belief for you to be your grandfather's offspring? Does it take faith for you to inherit your father's estate? By virtue of birth alone, the estate becomes yours, and also his liabilities. Now, for you to inherit another person's estate, there must be a kind of understand, trust and close relationship between you and that person, and that's because his estate isn't yours by virtue of birth, so something extra must be involved to make you qualify to inherit the estate of another person. I'm consciously using simple human relationships to analyse this write-up, and that's because it's obvious that your intent is to twist the Bible and make God look Wicked or Unjust. If God had to sacrifice His only Son as a ransom for your sins, and simply requires you to believe in Him, is He asking too much? If you were kidnapped and was to be killed, then someone came and offered his own son in your place, with the sole condition that you love him and take him as a father, will you consider the condition mean and unjust? [/b] By your write-up, Adam was the first man, and all that came after, came through him, so, they're interwoven in Adam, and inherited both his assets and liabilities 1 Like |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by FSMs: 11:10am On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka: You are Mixing Two different things that has noting to Do with Each other You don't Get a Choice to Choose your Genetic makeup you inherit from your Parent But you Get a Choice to Either believe in Jesus or Not If you wanna incorporate You Genetic point It'll be That We will automatically Believe in Jesus it means Everyone will be given birth to Believing in jesus it's as simple as that |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 11:11am On Nov 03, 2016 |
ValentineMary: And I ask, how can you tell your kids that you're Nigerian just because your fore-fathers were born Nigerians thousands of years ago? Why do you lay claim to your ancestral lands, just because they were owned by your for-fathers some thousand years ago? 1 Like |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 11:15am On Nov 03, 2016 |
raphieMontella:I think shadeyinka is already responding to your queries. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 11:19am On Nov 03, 2016 |
Yes, of course. Aborted babies go to heaven. Children go to heaven. Hell is for the devil and his agents. People who do not know Christ will be judged with their conscience excusing or accusing them. Acts 2. Whoever said because of Adam everyone is damned to hell until someone snatches them? God is just and righteous in judgement. No one will be judged according to what they don't know. Judgement according to works. raphieMontella: |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 11:34am On Nov 03, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin:It's A Fact!
There Is a Choice it's either You want It Or not!
This is still a choice For Which sin? I wasnt even born yet When that event Was said to have happened So which Sin? Like i said i wasn't there lemme ask you the same question You where on your Own then a stranger comes to meet you and say you should love him Unconditionally You ask him why then he tells you his father Sacrificed himself to Save you 2000 years ago Please oh won't you look at him as if his insane? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by shadeyinka(m): 11:39am On Nov 03, 2016 |
FSMs: You don't get a choice to your genetic makeup Just as You don't get to choose your spiritual makeup. By default, we all inherited a spiritual makeup of sin nature! You have a choice to accept the solution or not to solutions to your genetic flaws when available. Just as You you have a choice to accept Gods solution to your sin nature problem or not! This has been the consistent Christian teachings |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 11:40am On Nov 03, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:1) Who will this Aborted Kids be In heaven? 2)Are you Saying Abortion is Good because we are actually granting the baby a Ticket to Heaven Straight? Later i can ask for forgiveness? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 11:45am On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka: Which one is Spiritual Makeup? do you have any prove for it?
Nature is Not Spiritual sorry!
But It is Not yet Available So what's your point because your logic is flawed Other Religion also have their Teachings Also in the Quran The Christians Are condemned to hell if they don't accept Islam Why don't you convert? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 11:47am On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians:I like how you assume that I'm already in heaven speaking of where I know about. The children would be who they were, spirits. 2)Are you Saying Abortion is Good because we are actually granting the baby a Ticket to Heaven Straight? Later i can ask for forgiveness?Your inference, your conclusion. It has nothing to do with what I said. If you have decided to go on an abortion spree, living with knowledge and guilt of murder, it's up to you. I always ask, how do you know your sins are forgiven? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 11:56am On Nov 03, 2016 |
TheSixthSense: You my friend made the Conclusion that Aborted Children go to heaven! if you haven't been to Heaven how do you know 2)In the Bible isn't it The Earth That is being Converted to Heaven so if a child is Aborted now What happens to the child? How do you Know they are Not? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Pastafarian: 11:56am On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians: our monickers is almost the same how would people differentiate us? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by shadeyinka(m): 11:58am On Nov 03, 2016 |
TomHagen: raphieMontella: Thanks TomHagen Hereditary is a natural law of existence. Just as we inherit genetic makeup, we inherit spiritual makeup. Even if we don't like what we've inherited, we are not free from their consequences. In the case where solutions to the problems caused by our inheritance exists, it will never be automatic. We have to choose and take the necessary action for the solution to such problem. We are not free from the Consequences of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, but we ALL inherit their "spiritual genetic mutation". Adam was created in the image of God before his " spiritual gene" was contaminated. Gen 1:27After the fall of Adam, he gave birth to children in his own (fallen) image. Gen 5:3 About Animals: Animals are not living (eternal souls) since they are not spirit beings. Only spirit beings live on eternally. There would be animals on the new earth or maybe even in the new heavens. But these are not resurrected animals. Animals CANNOT commit SIN! |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 12:00pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarian:I represent the people you represent your self "s" |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 12:00pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians:I don't know. Ask your Sunday school teacher How do you Know they are Not?Typical. Giving questions as answers to questions. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 12:03pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka:In case you missed Biology class Human are Animals... How do you know other Animals are Not spirit beings? Where did you get this conclusions from and again what is the purpose of Other animals in heaven? So when animals kill each other it's not sin? So when animals involve in prostitution it's not sin? Animals involved in Homosexuality it's not sin? Animals involved in cannibalism it's not sin? Animals that Rape it's not sin? Keeping in mind that Humans are Also animals |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by DoctorAlien(m): 12:09pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
How to present arguments about the Bible as an atheist: 1. Look for a very self-explanatory verse in the Bible. 2. When you have found it, interprete it to mean the most ridiculous thing conceivable. 3. Then ask useless questions about that interpretation. OR. 1. Assume you know the Bible(even if you've never read a single book of it.) 2. Say what you think the Bible teaches. 3. Then question that thing you said. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 12:51pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka:two questions... 1) In genetics, are acquired traits inheritable? Or are you saying ''sin'' is a natural ''gene'' put in us?/created in us by your god? 2)can salvation be inherited if the law of inheritance is as versatile as you want to smuggle it to? Cc Tomhagen |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 1:05pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka:you're still buttressing my point..but you cant see it..why? Is salvation hereditary too? Are acquired traits inheritable? It was an action i dont think the bible agrees with you on that 2)..animals commit ''sin'' also.. Dolphins gangrape,kidnap and molest many se.xual ''sins''.. Garrit? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 1:12pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin: it takes fact not every one inherits their parents assets... Its not a constant according to the bible..that was his plan since his eternal existence...so its not a sacrifice 1:Peter 8:20 but the salvation of jesus requires an action.. If the condemnation doesnt require an action on our part... 1)Why cant the salvation be actionless? ''sins'' absolved by jesus's action? 2)Cant we also inherit the salvation from our parents? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 1:13pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:i see your philosophy is different...Nice... But i didnt ask about an aborted baby.. Please do well to read it again...the child grew to ''age of reason'' before death. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 1:17pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
FSMs:i tell you bro... I either adress it as 1)The christian God 2)Yahweh 3)Your God.. But then again...it doesnt really change anything.. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by shadeyinka(m): 1:23pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Sin nature we inherit from Adam: its like a mutation of the original spiritual nature of ma. We inherit this "mutation" which makes us naturally selfish and sinful. raphieMontella: Each man for himself when it comes to salvation. Even, the "so-called" Born Against are not immune to sinning. Being Born Again free you from the CONSEQUENCE of the Sin of Adam. Webshall only be perfect After death! Salvation is not transferable! Its a choice each must make! |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by shadeyinka(m): 1:29pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians:You don't believe my source, so let's drop this! Pastafarians: I said maybe. It is not impossible that animals be in heaven but on the new earth, YES! Pastafarians: Humans are spirits in animal-like skins. Animals are NOT spirits, therefore they cannot sin. |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 1:33pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka:How do you know animals are not Spirit? |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 1:39pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
raphieMontella:It changes a lot bro of you say God it would sound universal like the deist God which the Christian actually call there God it's Universal That alone make them feel special! you would never see the Christian address the Muslim God as your God or the Muslim god They will always address it As Allah. Why? Because the name doesn't mean anything to them so me I'll implore all atheist to Start referring to all God by their traditional Name.. Take this statement for example 1) God Asked Abraham to Kill his son 2) Yahweh asked Abraham to kill his son Of course we know Say God would sound as if it's universal which it's not but say Yahweh will be direct... |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 1:45pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
My theology not philosophy. You never said the child did anything wrong, if he did his conscience would accuse him in judgement. If he didn't his conscience would excuse him. The Bible never said everybody is already condemned and heading to the fires. If you know where that is please show me because I'm still learning. raphieMontella: |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 1:46pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
shadeyinka:did animals inherit/acquire this ''mutation'' too? @bolded...this is my point...the conditioning...an unfair and bigoted pattern from a supposed fair/all-loving/all encompassing in his compassion? condemnation is unconditional but forgiveness is CONDITIONAL |
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by shadeyinka(m): 1:53pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Ecclesiastes was speaking about physical death. We've done dis before so I won't go about explaining the duality or trinity of living things. raphieMontella: Can an insane mad man be charged to court legally for any offence? Can an animal be put on trial for any action? An animal is not bound by any rule therefore they cannot sin. Raphie; Notice how we have digressed from your main post! |
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