lexiconkabir:


I called him a TAKFIRI not a KAAFIR, I know nothing about him and I know about is stance?

See your life
. U are absolutely ignorant about takfiri and kaafir...



Takfiri means someone who calls a Muslim a kufar... And thereby the kufar goes back to him not the Muslim.


Better start listening to Jabata lectures and understand lots about Sunnah and Islam

DeathStroke007:




You are a Sufi.. you need to listen to Jabata lectures and know what mess you really in

How relevant is this to your op?

lexiconkabir:


I am not blocking the call to sunnah, i am blocking the da'awah of Ahl takfiriyyoon.

I know you are talking out of ignorance...... Download the lectures about takfiri from the site to prove yourself right or to prove me wrong

Empiree:
How relevant is this to your op?

Because all your positions about Islam judgment is based on awah... Not Qur'an or Hadiths...



The lecturer I know that always talk with prove from Qur'an Hadiths is Jabata.....


Listen to his lectures and you will understand what am saying

DeathStroke007:




See your life
. U are absolutely ignorant about takfiri and kaafir...



Takfiri means someone who calls a Muslim a kufar... And thereby the kufar goes back to him not the Muslim.


Better start listening to Jabata lectures and understand lots about Sunnah and Islam

You have a problem brother, i called him a takfiri you claimed i called him a kaafir, and i clarified then you start defining what takfiri and kaafir is?

And pls its kaafir not kufar, kuffar is the plural of kaafir.

DeathStroke007:


I know you are talking out of ignorance...... Download the lectures about takfiri from the site to prove yourself right or to prove me wrong

For your own good stop listening to jabata....


Hadaakallaah.

DeathStroke007:



Because all your positions about Islam judgment is based on awah... Not Qur'an or Hadiths...



The lecturer I know that always talk with prove from Qur'an Hadiths is Jabata.....


Listen to his lectures and you will understand what am saying

Sounds like you trying to sell me ideology. Boy bye. I got no time for this.

lexiconkabir:


You have a problem brother, i called him a takfiri you claimed i called him a kaafir, and i clarified then you start defining what takfiri and kaafir is?

And pls its kaafir not kufar, kuffar is the plural of kaafir.

Laughing.... I have already answered you in this thread concerning this topic.... For more information... download those audios

Empiree:
Sounds like you trying to sell me ideology. Boy bye. I got no time for this.

All I stated to you is in Qur'an and Hadiths... Not my ideology

DeathStroke007:




Laughing.... I have already answered you in this thread concerning this topic.... For more information... download those audios

Hadaakallaah

lexiconkabir:


For your own good stop listening to jabata....


Hadaakallaah.

Give me 3 reasons I should stop listening to him

DeathStroke007:




All I stated to you is in Qur'an and Hadiths... Not my ideology

I rather leave you by yourself. You live in your world.

DeathStroke007:





Give me 3 reasons I should stop listening to him

1.) He is a liar e.g he lied that he studied hadeeth in cairo al-azhar(the same azhar that is not upon kitaab wa sunnah), therefore he claims to be a muhaddeeth whereas in reality he studied falsafa(philosophy, a course that is kufr in and of itself)

2.) He speaks without knowledge e.g he was asked a question if it is sunnah use the fingers to scrub our teeth while rinsing the mouth in wudhu, to my greatest shock he said it is permissible! Subhanallaah let me ask you, is he correct?

3.) He is a takfiri! e.g he declared imam an-nawawi a kaafir for an alleged bidah, it was after sometime he found out that he was wrong, pls why didn't he do research before declaring him a kaafir?

lexiconkabir:


1.) He is a liar e.g he lied that he studied hadeeth in cairo al-azhar(the same azhar that is not upon kitaab wa sunnah), therefore he claims to be a muhaddeeth whereas in reality he studied falsafa(philosophy, a course that is kufr in and of itself)

2.) He speaks without knowledge e.g he was a question if it is sunnah use the fingers to scrub out teeth while rinsing the mouth in wudhu, to my greatest shock he said if it is permissible! Subhanallaah let me ask you, his he correct?

3.) He is a takfiri! e.g he declared imam an-nawawi a kaafir for an alleged bidah, it was after sometime he found out that he was wrong, pls why didn't he do research before declaring him a kaafir?

Laughing hysterically... You are ignorant about him. And you do not listen to his lectures and you listen to the lies said against him.




1. He said he studied in al azhary in Cairo before he knew about Islam and Sunnah. . What is been thought in al azhary is pure Sufi ... That's why he knows much about them.

2. Jabata never speaks without knowledge. And anything he gives as lectures without him telling us the proof in Qur'an and Hadiths, we should never accept it. What was the proof he gave to backup his point... If he didn't give any proof, do not listen to that fatwa. And you are to use hands to rinse your mouth after you might have pour out the water in your mouth..

3. Yes, he called imam nawawi a kufar based on what the imam wrote... But the imam has repented and changed the errors in what he wrote... And Jabata has later said he has seen proofs that the imam is not a kaafir.

DeathStroke007:





Laughing hysterically... You are ignorant about him.

Keep laughing till you get in trouble.

And you do not listen to his lectures and you listen to the lies said against him.

Well everything i said was from his mouth Firsthand, if you like believe or not.

1. He said he studied in al azhary in Cairo before he knew about Islam and Sunnah. . What is been thought in al azhary is pure Sufi ... That's why he knows much about them.

Why did he lie initially that he studied hadeeth in azhar instead of falsafa?

2. Jabata never speaks without knowledge. And anything he gives as lectures without him telling us the proof in Qur'an and Hadiths, we should never accept it. What was the proof he gave to backup his point... If he didn't give any proof, do not listen to that fatwa. And you are to use hands to rinse your mouth after you might have pour out the water in your mouth..

Firstly he spoke without knowledge for saying rinsing the mouth with hand is permissible, since hw didn't know why didn't he say so? And as for what you said, about using hand bla bla bla all i can say is go and learn!

3. Yes, he called imam nawawi a kufar based on what the imam wrote... But the imam has repented and changed the errors in what he wrote... And Jabata has later said he has seen proofs that the imam is not a kaafir.

Did imam nawawi resurrect to repent? How come jabata didnt find out if he repented or not? He declared him a kaafir when infact he wasnt.

DeathStroke007:




You are a Sufi.. you need to listen to Jabata lectures and know what mess you really in

LOL

Now i will leave you with the words of imam Al-Albanee;

"We live in an age where one of the fatal characters is spread, which is everyone liking his own opinion. Today everybody who reads a bit of Quran or learns a bit of Ahkam and Hadeeths, he thinks he is something in 'ilm although he can not read the hadiths without errors, and then he wants to argue everything he sees ...

My advice to the students of knowledge is not proceed to preach to the people something that may lead them to great misguidence (Dalal). He should check with the people of knowledge before he jumps to conclusion. It is one of the disasters of the muslim youth today to quickly adopt opinions without looking into the opinions of the Salaf and khalaf regards these issues."

I won't speak on this issue any longer as you've clearly shown that you are one of those sheepish kind Of follower of jabata.

DeathStroke007:




You called a Muslim a kufar?? Do you even know what you have just said ? Do you even know the implication? Am very sure that you know nothing about him even though you live in Ilorin...... Visit the site I posted. Download takfir 1-3....

Am sure you wil thank me later...

Kai, "deathstroke" but JABATA has BATTERED you peoples brains o!!! U just going in circles since August 30 oo!! Even from ur username sef it says it all.
For the benefit of the UMMAH, please for Allaahs sake, do not listen to Jabata Ali's lectures, dey can contaminated you subconsciously by Allaah!! Like LexiconKB rightly said, only those with sound ilm of kitab wa sunnah can listen to his(Jabata's) lectures, to bring out mistakes from his evil lectures. An "ordinary" muslim must not play with fire, "dat what is there gan, I'll listen to his lectures, I can filter good from bad" OYO is ur case niyen, wallaahu musta'an.

DeathStroke007:





You are blocking the call to Sunnah... Tell me the title of lectures of Jabata that you have listened to and tell me what he said wrong..


As long as you are listening to them say he said.. you will hate him with passion..

Before your hatred for him goes further, please and please download and listen to his lectures..

Blocking the call to sunnaah is the JABATA Ali's way akhee!!!! Calling to sunnah is following the sunnah the way the BLESSED sahabas practiced the BLESSED sunnah of the BLESSED rasullullaah! Allaah's help is sought!

RABIUSHILE04:



Blocking the call to sunnaah is the JABATA Ali's way akhee!!!! Calling to sunnah is following the sunnah the way the BLESSED sahabas practiced the BLESSED sunnah of the BLESSED rasullullaah! Allaah's help is sought!

The thing as uztaadh sarumi said is, once you start listening to him and you are ignorant of the original methodology of the salafs, its like you went to the market, bought rope and tied it on your neck, then gave it to jabata, that way he draws you to any place he likes, the thing that deceive the likes of the op is, he will be saying "Qalallaah" "Qala rosul", so to them he follows nothing but "hujjah and daleel!" but in the real sense, he uses "proofs" for things he is not supposed to use them for, for example he used the hadith of I think ibn umar or umar ibn khattab himself, where he said the prophet used to raise his hands in four places only, jabata interpreted it as raising hands four times only, pls four places and four times are they the same? i Wonder, but if you ask them, they will say "he brought daleel!" thats was how when he said using spoon and fork is bidah which to him is kufr, some people tried to play with his mind and asked him, "but over here we like drinking pap and moi moi, are we to use hand or what?" and jabata was like "you can use spoon to drink(i wonder where he got that from) but you must use hand to eat the moi moi" then he was now asked that "but over here we like putting the moi moi inside the pap, so are to use hand to eat the moi moi inside the pap then use spoon to drink the pap?" lol, see confusion, imagine that scenario aiye o le to bayi, if you eat that way, you will finally become mad.

i pray Allaah remove the veil from the eyes of these jabata sheeps.

DeathStroke007:





Laughing hysterically... You are ignorant about him. And you do not listen to his lectures and you listen to the lies said against him.




1. He said he studied in al azhary in Cairo before he knew about Islam and Sunnah. . What is been thought in al azhary is pure Sufi ... That's why he knows much about them.

2. Jabata never speaks without knowledge. And anything he gives as lectures without him telling us the proof in Qur'an and Hadiths, we should never accept it. What was the proof he gave to backup his point... If he didn't give any proof, do not listen to that fatwa. And you are to use hands to rinse your mouth after you might have pour out the water in your mouth..

3. Yes, he called imam nawawi a kufar based on what the imam wrote... But the imam has repented and changed the errors in what he wrote... And Jabata has later said he has seen proofs that the imam is not a kaafir.

I think you have been corrected already but you seem not to have noticed. It's kaafir (كَافِرٌ على وزن فاعِلٌ) and that's singular. Kuffar (كُفَّارٌ على مشتق فُعَّالٌ) and thats plural.
2. I am glad you acknowledge his fault in your third point. Do you now see why it's dangerous following such a person who isn't even sure yet brandishing a scholar kaafir. How many more mistakes like that is he going to make if he continues to tow that path of label kafir and do research later. ? You have been advised.

Lexiconkabir the video you shared is in Yoruba. I don't understand Yoruba oooo

The bias moderator will not move this thread where it rightfully belongs to but will quickly push an honest debate to 'a trash can'. What has the once great nairaland become?

udatso:
Lexiconkabir the video you shared is in Yoruba. I don't understand Yoruba oooo

Kai!! sorry, and i don't know how to do translation syncing it with the talks on a video.......

and the lecture was very superb!

altho some Arabic was spoken.....don't you have yoruba friends?

udatso:
Lexiconkabir the video you shared is in Yoruba. I don't understand Yoruba oooo

Let me translate for you akhee. #100 per phrase and #200 per sentence. Deal?

lexiconkabir:


Kai!! sorry, and i don't know how to do translation syncing it with the talks on a video.......

and the lecture was very superb!

altho some Arabic was spoken.....don't you have yoruba friends?

Thanks. The Yoruba friends are currently not available at the moment. I am in Accra. Jazakallahu khairan. I am sure other Yoruba brothers will enjoy it

lanrexlan:
Let me translate for you akhee. #100 per phrase and #200 per sentence. Deal?

Haha haha. كم تدين تدان. When my turn reach, na 1000 naira per Arabic word I go do for you

lexiconkabir:


The thing as uztaadh sarumi said is, once you start listening to him and you are ignorant of the original methodology of the salafs, its like you went to the market, bought rope and tied it on your neck, then gave it to jabata, that way he draws you to any place he likes, the thing that deceive the likes of the op is, he will be saying "Qalallaah" "Qala rosul", so to them he follows nothing but "hujjah and daleel!" but in the real sense, he uses "proofs" for things he is not supposed to use them for, for example he used the hadith of I think ibn umar or umar ibn khattab himself, where he said the prophet used to raise his hands in four places only, jabata interpreted it as raising hands four times only, pls four places and four times are they the same? i Wonder, but if you ask them, they will say "he brought daleel!" thats was how when he said using spoon and fork is bidah which to him is kufr, some people tried to play with his mind and asked him, "but over here we like drinking pap and moi moi, are we to use hand or what?" and jabata was like "you can use spoon to drink(i wonder where he got that from) but you must use hand to eat the moi moi" then he was now asked that "but over here we like putting the moi moi inside the pap, so are to use hand to eat the moi moi inside the pap then use spoon to drink the pap?" lol, see confusion, imagine that scenario aiye o le to bayi, if you eat that way, you will finally become mad.

i pray Allaah remove the veil from the eyes of these jabata sheeps.

Confusion and dabaru have one thing in common: JABATA_AL..lolI! Hujjah, daleel na their motto, even if the proofs are misplaced!! Allaah's help is sought!

udatso:

Thanks. The Yoruba friends are currently not available at the moment. I am in Accra.

oh! presently I don't have a laptop(for now), if not i would translate it for you, just found out how, but I've not tested it.

Jazakallahu khairan.

wa iyyak

I am sure other Yoruba brothers will enjoy it

yeah, it was a lecture by his former student who stayed and studied with him for years until Allaah guided him to the truth.

infact there is a lecturer in my department Dr Babalola abu Qudus who was a close friend of his – jabata, this Dr usually refute him too, whenever he(abu Qudus) does the only defence he(jabata) will have is "why should a mathematics lecturer be contributing in the matters of deen" lol, as if that's a criteria.

udatso:

Haha haha. كم تدين تدان. When my turn reach, na 1000 naira per Arabic word I go do for you

كما تدين تدان؟ Don't use Proverbs shak me joor, thank God I sabi small small.


Lol, #1000 per word? For this economy?! Ewoo

lanrexlan:
كما تدين تدان؟ Don't use Proverbs shak me joor, thank God I sabi small small.


Lol, #1000 per word? For this economy?! Ewoo

Lol
إن كنت ريحا فقد لا قيت إعصارا

udatso:
Lol إن كنت ريحا فقد لا قيت إعصارا

نعم، صدقت. Everyone definitely has a boss.

You are a geek in all these قصيد و قول مأثور as compared to this learner.
بارك الله فيه