hopefullandlurd:
Very touching story you have up there, not sarcasm, I'm being sincere

okay, let's get down to business



are you talking literally here or metamorphically?

if literal, I'm interested to know how Yahweh looks like and sounds like

if metamorphic, I'll like to know how he sounds like



your story also made me curious



when did Yahweh "get there"?

was he there after your leg(s) got crushed?

did he "get there" ahead of the accident? he's omnipresent, so he was definitely there ahead of time if that were anything to go by

Yahweh was there when the accident happened, he watched you as you stepped onto the path of a moving automobile (just giving illustrations but it could be apt), he watched your legs get crushed but quickly interfered when your life was at stake

it begs the obvious questions you've heard atheists ask many times in the past and present and I won't bother asking it here again but I'm sure you know those questions

Yahweh eventually made you walk again after 10 years of intense pain, depression, threat of amputation, deterioration of health, suicide thoughts, suicide preparation etc

within these 10 years, your parents would've gone through mental, psychological, emotional and financial pain; so would've your other loved ones too

it took your life being on the line again for your god to come to your aid

basically Yahweh can make almost any evil befall you except the type that would kill you


and how did your leg recover?

I remember, you promised Yahweh that you'll serve him for the rest of your life

he needed your vow that you'll lick his behind before he restored your legs and avoided amputation

and when you seemed to have forgotten your vow, Yahweh reminded you indirectly by getting you fired from every job you had after graduation; he made sure you didn't spend more than one year on each job

he always answers you when your life is on the line but doesn't do same for millions of others who follow through?

you should've tried killing yourself one week after the accident, don't you think? since he would've saved you 10 years of pain with his interference

can a loving father watch his daughter suffer for a day?

Gombs:


Errr... Before the age of accountability, the fate of a child is dependent on the parent... So, yes, a month old child with evil parents will go to hell.

Besides, everyone born into this world is born a sinner.

wtf... i mean.... who the hell told you this

Gombs:


Errr... Before the age of accountability, the fate of a child is dependent on the parent... So, yes, a month old child with evil parents will go to hell.

Besides, everyone born into this world is born a sinner.

For real? Everyday I read new things on this section.

Gombs:

One day, I'd be sipping juice and watch your meeting with Jesus....

It'd be a great scene.

One day I'll be sipping juice And watch you meeting with FSM
it'd be a great scene

MrPRevailer:


MTHBOSS analice107

Hellfire is under the earth. Numbers 16:33.

I don't know how literate you are On Science But Earth is not Flath so it doesn't have under!

There is only one place the sinner go and that is HELL. Wether you call it sheol or hellfire and have set your own personal interpretation for it. The bottom line is: it is a place of suffering and torment.

Sheol is the place of the Dead Weda good or bad Sheol doesn't have fire!

Hell fire is Plagiarized from Greek myth the Bible was Originally written in Greek!

''And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.'' Rev 14:11

For those saying they will simply be destroyed and cease to exist, you can see it. 'They have no rest'.

Wether you call it hell, hellfire or sheol. The bottomline is it will be cast into the Lake of Fire, in the final Judgement of God.

''And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.'' Revelation 20:14

The Lake of Fire is perhaps a different world or planet filled with liquid fire and brimstone. What amazes me is how it can accomdate the trillions of demons and trillions of sinners since earth began. Do you know that the small red spot on planet Jupiter is 3 times bigger than planet Earth? Scientist also describe Jupiter as having no solid surface. It''s just ATMOSPHERE.
Hmm, while typing this, it made more sense when i remembered 'the bottomless pit' (Rev 9:2)

Bro you Are Just Ignorant....

TheSixthSense:
Reads like a cosy place.

Ever wondered why Nigeria is in such a mess and Nigerians generally so lawless?

Hell is right here with us bro, not some burning furnace somewhere up in the skies

Gombs:

There was a law... And those before the law? Their was righteousness by faith.
PS Jesus broke them out of Hades, after He defeated Satan.

Nobody was before the Law. Read your Bible very well.
Don't mention me again until you've done a very extensive search on the Law.

[quote author=Gombs post=50739021][/quote]

Is it that you lack understanding or what? The verse you quoted talks about Creation being a testimony to all men that there is a GOD who created.

Many people have never heard of Christ. Many never heard of Christ. But by their nature, they did those things which are contained in the law of GOD. They knew it was not good to kill, steal, cheat, lie, fornicate, and they did not do those things. What now is their position since they never came to know Jesus, and had no way of knowing Him? Are they lost?

Even reason will answer you.

Gombs:


Errr... Before the age of accountability, the fate of a child is dependent on the parent... So, yes, a month old child with evil parents will go to hell.

Besides, everyone born into this world is born a sinner.

So Jesus is a sinner?

This is not the God I serve. How can you even think this? I won't even ask where you got this from

Gombs:


Errr... Before the age of accountability, the fate of a child is dependent on the parent... So, yes, a month old child with evil parents will go to hell.

Besides, everyone born into this world is born a sinner.

The just judgment of GOD is founded on statements like this:

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.(James 4:17).

The thing is: did you know? If you knew that avoiding a thing is good, and you refuse to do so, TO YOU it is a sin. It follows then that the same act of not avoiding that same thing is not a sin to the person that never knew and had no way of knowing.

I tire o. Different gods in different comments. Wicked, unjust and angry gods. No wonder people become atheists and start hating the God of the bible not knowing they hate the god of their interpretation and that of many Christians.

DoctorAlien:


So Jesus is a sinner?

TheSixthSense:
I tire o. Different gods in different comments. Wicked, unjust and angry gods. No wonder people become atheists by following some interpretations and start hating the Christian God.

Thank you so much brother. You have said it all.

Nobody who has come to understand Jehovah and His real character will be an atheist.

Going by many comments here it seems many Christians want more people in hell than the devil himself. How someone would say babies would go to hell and be tormented for eternity and still claim to worship God is honestly beyond me. What does the devil do again?
God did not give up His only begotten Son to save the world from Himself. This is the perception many Christians have about God and is expressed here on this thread.
Doctrinal and theological precision cannot be overemphasised.

TheSixthSense:
Going by many comments here it seems many Christians want more people in hell than the devil himself. How someone would say babies would go to hell and be tormented for eternity and still claim to worship God is honestly beyond me. What does the devil do again?
God did not give up His only begotten Son to save the world from Himself. This is the perception many Christians have about God and is expressed here on this thread.
Doctrinal and theological precision cannot be overemphasised.

Amen!

Gombs:


Errr... Before the age of accountability, the fate of a child is dependent on the parent... So, yes, a month old child with evil parents will go to hell.

Besides, everyone born into this world is born a sinner.

i disagree with you a child that has not reach the age of accountability cannot go to hell
They dont have the knowledge of good and evil on what basis will they be judge? Remember without law there is no sin.

DoctorAlien:


Is it that you lack understanding or what? The verse you quoted talks about Creation being a testimony to all men that there is a GOD who created.

Many people have never heard of Christ. Many never heard of Christ. But by their nature, they did those things which are contained in the law of GOD. They knew it was not good to kill, steal, cheat, lie, fornicate, and they did not do those things. What now is their position since they never came to know Jesus, and had no way of knowing Him? Are they lost?

Even reason will answer you.

Boss, reason says they aren't lost. But will that not imply that Jesus is not the only way to the father?


Am I missing something?

4everGod1:



You cannot examine a thing which has a spiritual foundation with your flawed human reasoning. You need to compare spiritual with spiritual in order for your view to be sensible.

So let me ask you a quick question. ..

If you were God with all the power and authority He has and you can see the future of everyone and know their thoughts and see their pain and wickedness and lies and selfishness and goodness and bitterness and hatred and debauchery and sodomy and every vile thing how would you run the affairs of these people who number as much as 7.5billion worldwide.

Especially since with all your power you allowed them to still have FREEWILL ....

So if you could be God for a year how would you handle creation bearing in mind that doing good for one could be the cause of anothers pain....

Since you say God is flawed then show us an alternative.

I said religion is flawed and so are the Gods they create. If I had the power of "God" and let's say I existed in the Christian setting. Then I would never had created Satan in the beginning because I knew the harm he would cause. Full stop.
But if I was God today, I would reveal myself to all of humanity in exactly the same way and with the same message, I would confirm my existence that has so rightly been questioned. I would feed the starving children and teach man a new way to exist.

dolphinheart:


When I read your story, I feel your pain, I also had a similar experience(accident and bone fracture part only ). but sorry to say, your experience did not not answer the existence of hell fire. and if it does exist exist, it does not answer the other questions that follow e.g what goes to hell fire, the body, soul or spirit and where the rest goes if all does not go to hell fire.

A lady, very vibrant woman, had an accident some years ago, she was planning to get married to a young pastor, the pastor left her cus the accident left her paralysed and always in pains. This did not stop her from living, she lived not because of fear of hell. she is presently studying for her PhD.

another woman, lives in ibadan, she had an accident which resulted in not being able to move or feel any part of her body from the neck down. the only part of her body she can move or feel is her head. This did not want her to die, she is still trying to live as long as possible!

One should not serve God of fear of he'll fire , I try my best to serve God( fail sometimes), but I don't do it cus of fear of hell fire, I don't believe hell fire exist. The concept is not supported by the scriptures, neither does its teachings stand scrutiny.
when you examine the doctrine, it goes against what the scriptures say, it also contradicts the scriptures!

My fear of Hellfire then was misplaced, i didn't know then what i know now. Today, hellfire no longer scare me. Am a believer in Christ Jesus, fear of any kind is out of me.

Talking about you not believing in Hellfire, that's okay, people don't believe in God doesn't mean God does not exist. What you believe doesn't change Jesus' words.

Thanks for stopping by.

MizyB:

Boss, reason says they aren't lost. But will that not imply that Jesus is not the only way to the father?
Am I missing something?

Good evening sister.

JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER!

That is evident throughout the Bible. But did you know that GOD the Son was never known as "Jesus" in the OT? Gabriel was the one who first proclaimed the Name "Jesus."

GOD the Son in the OT was known as the Seed, Redeemer, Son, Emmanuel.

All the OT saints, through obedience to GOD(which Christ requires: Matt. 7:21), and through sacrificial killings, exercised faith in the Great Substitute that was to come. They had an idea that the slaughter of lambs for the remission of sins signified that a Person would be sacrificed for their sins. Thus, through practicing sacrifices, they identified with Christ's great Sacrifice, and thus went to the Father through Christ.

Even a Person comes to Christ, He commands him to obey(Matt. 19:17). Those who obey then are saved.

TheSixthSense:
Super. Praise God!! You have been, and continue to be a blessing to many here on NL and also a thorn in the flesh of others in Lucifer's camp. May God continue to keep and strengthen you. Amen

You have given them food... they're coming. Watch this space.

God bless you sir.

I can see, there are here.

Pastafarians:
Yahweh didn't Create hell fire In fact there is no mention of Hell fire in the OT but if you have anywhere in the OT where hell fire was mentioned please Quote it

Christianity Was mostly Gotten From Greek Mythology So i get where the Idea of Hell fire Comes from... According to The theology the wages for Sin is death not Hell fire.. In the beginning yahweh created the "Heaven" and the "Earth" not "Heaven Earth And Hell fire"

Entering Atheist mode........
I am not Angry At Yahweh for Creating hell if that's what you think he did the same way you are not angry at Allah for creating Hell For unbelievers The same way you are not Angry at Zeus for Creating Hades

There is noting special about Christianity or Islam... I would rather go for a calm religion like Buddhism where i could meditate all day to relax my mind, Instead of wasting time praying like the Christian or Muslims do we all know prayer cant fly plane...

Welcome and goodbye.

TomHagen:
Hmmm...

Say something pls.

DoctorAlien:
Pastafarians,

While the word "hellfire" might not be found in the Bible, it is thoroughly evident in the Bible that GOD will destroy and annihilate sin, sinners and Satan with fire, in that Great Day.This is the "wages of sin" and it is death.

See Psa. 11:6; Isa. 34:8,9; Isa. 47:14; Psa. 37:20; Psa. 21:9; Psa. 37:10,38; Psa. 68:2; Psa. 104:35; Psa. 145:20; Mal. 4:1; Job 15:34.

I can see you didn't mention any NT Scripture.

Dropping Bible books helps no one. what so they say? post them out.

No it does not contradict nor does it not imply that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. Jesus Christ is the final Judge (Jn 5:22) and will judge the living and the dead but if someone knows and hears nothing about Jesus Christ and the law and dies. S/he would be judged according to works with his/her conscience excusing or accusing them in judgement.(See Acts 2) The conscience is everyone is God-given and according to nature either follow the law. God loves righteousness and all who seek righteousness. The Ninevites were declared righteous, Cornelius alms and prayers went to God (Acts 10) and he eventually got baptised...

'...for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel Romans 2:14-16

Here is some cut copy and paste piece, hope it helps grin :

A Gentile is counted as a Jew -as one of God's people- when his conscience leads him to righteousness the way the law leads a virtuous Jew. The law is written in their hearts refers to a person's conscience. Because man's conscience is God-given, it has the same power to lead a person to God as the law does. According to St. John Chrysostom, those who are able to follow their conscience to God are more virtuous than those with the law, for they do not have the advantage of concrete instructions oracles of God (that is, the Law and the Prophets) to lead them (Rom 3:1,2) yet still desire to please God. Those who are uncircumcised but virtuous would judge the uncircumcised (Rom 2:25-27)

The Basis of God's Judgement
We pray 'For a good defense before the dread Judgement Seat of Christ, Let us pray to the Lord: Lord have mercy.' Romans 2 describes God's judgment. God's righteous judgement will be:
1. According to truth (Rom 2:2,3): Nothing is hidden from God, he sees everything and knows the truth about each of us. One of mankind's great self-deceptions is to say, 'Who sees us?' (Is 29:15) and think there is no judgement.

2. According to impenitent hearts (Rom 2:4,5): An unrepentant hard heart despises God's goodness, treasuring up the wrath of God at the judgement. A repentant hear on the other hand is grateful for God's patience and abides in Christ, practicing a lifetime of repentance, which produces confidence before Him at Judgement. (1Jn 2:28)

3. According to our deeds (Rom 2:6-15): The 'doing good' referred to in Rom 2:7 is not an attempt to gain merit with God. Rather, it is the unity of intentions with actions, faith with works. Even unbelievers are rewarded for good works, apart from spiritual understanding (Rom 2:14,15) but note the following:
(a) 'Doing good' means seeking God's glory (Rom 2:10), not our glory, God's honour not our own; the eternal reward of immortality, not reward here and now. 'Doing good' is seeking first the kingdom of God. (Mt 6:33)
(b) Good intentions alone, or faith without works, will not save (Rom 2:13). Simply to hear and not do is religion without reality. Those with the true faith, 'the doers' of the truth, practice virtue from pure and repentant hearts. (Jam 1:21-27)
(c) 'By nature' (Rom 2:14) people are inspired by and cooperate with God's grace. Therefore, good deeds are natural to us, whereas evil deeds are contrary to nature. Because we fail, we need God's mercy (Rom 3:9-19). The presence of God's law in our conscience (Rom 2:15) condemns anything contrary to true human nature. Therefore, even Gentiles-people not under the Law of Moses, those who do not know Christ- have an internal law from God, the natural law written in their hearts, according to which God will judge them. Melchizedek, Job and the Ninevites are Old Testament examples of non-Jews judged to be righteous. Jews then have two laws from God -the Law of Moses and conscience- and are accountable to Him for both (Rom 2:12)
(d) Those who are condemned choose to reject God. There is no automatic, fated condemnation: God's just judgement of us is based on our exercise of free will. Although sin impairs our powers, it does not destroy God's image in us or our free will.
(e) By Jesus Christ (Rom 2:16): In the day of judgement we are not judged by directly by God the Father, whom we cannot see, but by the incarnate Son whom we do see, Christ Jesus (Acts 17:31; Jn 5:22, 3:16-21, 35, 36). Christ will judge on the basis of the light He Himself has given to each of us (Jn 1:9) and our response to His light (Jn 3:16-21). 'The secrets of men' (Rom 2:16) are 'the thoughts and intents of the heart' (Heb 4:12)

About righteousness, I believe anyone who knows the Law, even those without, that seeks righteousness (doing the law) would believe in Jesus Christ because it is impossible to attain righteousness by keeping the Law and knowing the Law reveals and brings the knowledge of sin to the realisation that we have fallen from communion with God in other to turn our hearts to repentance. The law may be kept by obedience (Lv 18:15) and by faith (Dt 30:14). Obedience without faith cannot bring anyone to righteousness. Yet faith, even apart from the law can bring a person to righteousness because Jesus Christ supersedes the law.

Rom 3:24 Being justified refers to the ongoing state of righteousness and not merely a one-time event. This justification requires a redemption: a sacrificial offering capable of (1) setting free from sin and death (2) uniting us eternally with righteousness and life. In the OT, this sacrificial offering was prefigured by blood sacrifices-the killing of physically perfect animals for the temporal remissions of sins (Heb 9). Under the new covenant, Christ is the sacrificial offering that once and for all eternally frees us from sin and death (Heb 10:14) and by His grace unites us with righteousness and life.

The verses you mentioned do not say everyone is condemned and heading to the fires. Condemnation is based on what was done and what was known of the law according to conscience in a just judgement but those who reject Christ are condemned already as the wrath of God abides on such (John 3:36) Jesus Christ is the judge and through faith in Him one can be justified.

**wrt to your original post which quotes Rom 5:18 as 'Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men' the NKJV reads Rom 5:18 'As through one man's offence judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one man's righteous act the free gift came to all resulting in justification of life. The difference is significant for interpretation, don't you think? with the NKJV there lies the input of the will that completes the equation to result in either condemnation or justification.

MizyB:

Boss, reason says they aren't lost. But will that not imply that Jesus is not the only way to the father?
Am I missing something?

analice107:

I can see you didn't mention any NT Scripture.

Dropping Bible books helps no one. what so they say? post them out.

You are very observant.

Anyway, I intentionally provided only OT verses to show him that the destruction of the wicked with an eternal fire is not only recorded in the NT, but also in the OT.

4everGod1:




wow...when grace anď mercy locate you in Christ all you neèd is to trust Him. I love your testimony sis and we will all be with Jesus when its time.

God bless you

And we shall Sir. May God honour you sir.

Lennycool:

I said religion is flawed and so are the Gods they create. If I had the power of "God" and let's say I existed in the Christian setting. Then I would never had created Satan in the beginning because I knew the harm he would cause. Full stop.
But if I was God today, I would reveal myself to all of humanity in exactly the same way and with the same message, I would confirm my existence that has so rightly been questioned. I would feed the starving children and teach man a new way to exist.

Its either you did not see where I mentioned FREEWILL in my question or you conveniently ignored it so you would push a flawed answer at me. kindly read my question again.

adoyi8:
I want you Nigerian guys that are eager to go to heaven to sincerely answer this question: Where are all your ancestors that broke the first commandment going to? Heaven with you or hell with the atheists?

Why are you bothered with thoaee who are long dead? why not ask about the living one who vehemently refuses to believe, where do you think they'll go?

Beyond the grave, everyone for yourself.

Pastafarians:

The location wasn't given But It Was "A lake of Fire" Which must be located somewhere and asking me where hell fire is located is like asking me where Heaven is located

Ask him to tell you where God is.

Pastafarian:
Pastafarians is really representing us well on this thread




carry on bro

Wait, Pastafarian is different from Pastafarians?
These people.

analice107:

Wait, Pastafarian is different from Pastafarians?
These people.

we are actually not the same person
it was surprising when I saw the other monicker but I guess the "s" should help differentiate between us