Gift101:


If you think you were as smart as you're you wouldn't been using one or two pastors to claim that God and all other pastors are fake.

For your info i neva trusted pastor chris and tbj, i neva took them to be geniue men of God.

If God can make Dry Bones To Rise Again and raise the dead of 4days, then won't you use your sense to know he can raise the beheaded back to life ? or are you a KID

chrmn1:
you need not demand healing of an amputee because if one is produced you will give the same explanation of it as you would a healing of the crippled testimony You already admitted that healings are real but you doubt the source. You say it's some sort of psychological working so if we present you a miracle of a healed amputee, what would make you admit that it's spiritual and not psychological?

That the hands and legs don't grow everyday is hardly any proof that miracles are unreal because even Jesus of the bible didn't heal all the amputees in his time.

The biblical explanation for healings not performed at will is that it is a gift and the recipients do not just have that ability in their natural selves to produce these results at will. The bible even teaches that Jesus' healing gift flowed as He listened to His father i.e. He healed people as He was guided by the gift giver. Ephesians 3:20 reads, 'God is able to to exceeding, abundantly, above all we ask or think according to the power that works in us' i.e. God will work the supernatural through you to the extent to which you have built yourself spiritually.

And herein lies God's greatest issue: He has to work with humans. I'm sure you read about K. Kulhman. Do you realize that the gifts slowed as she tried to live 'her life' and she got married and deviated from God's plan for her life. Her kind is pretty rare because only precious few are willing to pay the price. (The body wants to have sex, sleep, eat, enjoy, etc) but to doubt their credibility would amount to naivety.

I dont know you from Adam (first Adam or the last) and I don't know how your gift of word of knowledge worked i.e. if you could actually predict specific events in people's lives. Not general stuff like 'I see that your mother in law had a quarell with you some times ago' but stuff like 'your mother in law told you 5 years ago that you will never bear children' or 'you are in uniben now posing as a student and everybody thinks you are a student but you know you are not' even when the person making such bold statements have not previously met the persons to whom they are giving the predictions. So i'd like to know what category the word of knowledge gift you displayed falls into.

You see friend, these are gifts and many at times its the flesh that hinders people from experiencing these spiritual events. In my own life I used to see a lot of stuff when I was more committed to God. I'm trying now but I know how I used to be previously. I was given a piece of information that my cousin was in the North when he was lost for over a year but I know how I prayed and fasted. In your previous posts, you alluded to prayer and fasting as a tool you used to get spiritual experiences but thing is you know those your experiences better than I do. But one thing I can guarantee you is that it has worked for me. I never heard an audible voice (some people claim they have and I have no reason to disbelieve as much as I would never doubt there's a place in the world called Germany just because I've never been there) but it was unmistakable. How could I have known my coz was in the North (Kano State precisely) when I had no natural information to support this?

My question to you is: do you doubt that people previously crippled or blind, dumb, etc have been given ability to walk, see and talk by some means or do you say it's possible but it didn't come as a result of some supernatural means? If your answer is the latter, i'd be happy to learn how these things may have happened.

I know you have read and heard a lot about Kathryn Kulhman. It would be naive to discount all the healings she performed as staged/unrealistic/a mental ability/etc but it's a choice on can make nonetheless.

Finally I'd like to hear your views on how the universe happened. I know research is ongoing and all that stuff but based on your own studies and knowledge and all, how do you honestly think this universe happened. How do you think substances evolved and some how began to form? What do you think?

HardMirror:

So how many dry bones has god raised. Or you believe that Ezekiel's tales? How many has been raised of recent? Not stories from a book

Gift101:


Why won't i believe in God when i've experience the power of God in my life ?

I'm sorry for you for not being able to accept the fact that indeed God do exist.

Your problem is that you just believe what you want to believe, you stay at home and criticize real miracles pastors are performing on your phone. You can't just sit down at home and convince yourself that God or spiritual powers don't exist, you're a fool for that. I dare you to attend RCCG DECEMBER HOLY GHOST CONGRESS expecially the friday al-night, go and witness the power of God. If you don't go there, then you should stop telling people that God don't exist because you don't have any real and sensible proof that God don't exist.

damogul:
@ the OP

This is my only question as this would make or break your case.

You mentioned that a particular brother in the fellowship died from complications that came from fasting...A nairalander who also finished in 2010 from your school asked for the persons name since he did not hear of such a case and you did not respond.

NOW I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE BROTHER WHO DIED VIA FASTING RELATED ISSUES? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN CONFIRM THIS.

If you cannot provide this name and we affirm it happened then we have our conclusion.

cc HardMirror, hopefullandlord

HardMirror:

So how many dry bones has god raised. Or you believe that Ezekiel's tales? How many has been raised of recent? Not stories from a book

HardMirror:

I have no answer to you "mr chronic liar" cos you did not ask the question, someone else did and I will reply him. The problem is he is not a CACCF member obviously

HardMirror:

I have no answer to you "mr chronic liar" cos you did not ask the question, someone else did and I will reply him. The problem is he is not a CACCF member obviously

HardMirror:

Stop being deceitful, stop editing my posts!
This is the full post

Why are you editing it? Why? You have posted your edited version about 10 times now so as to decieve people.
I guess you don't want people to see the bolded, you don't want them to know that placebo, adrenaline, hypnosis, derangment, delusion, hallucinations, intelligent forecasting, cold reading are the secrets behind this. Just as tricks are the secrets of magic.

HardMirror:
CONTINUATION...
I LOSE MY FAITH IN THE BIBLE, JESUS and RELIGIOUS CONCEPT OF GOD.
Before I continue.
Miracles exists
Witchcraft
Speaking in tongues is real
Everything supernatural about christianity is real.
What is not real is the reason behind it.
It is just like magic.
Real magic is does not exist, but that does not mean magic is not real. Magic is real as long as you are ready to overlook the tricks behind the magic and just enjoy the show.

https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/5#45205356

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adjective
adjective: real; comparative adjective: realer; superlative adjective: realest

1.
actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
"Julius Caesar was a real person"
synonyms: actual, nonfictional, factual, real-life; More
historical;
material, physical, tangible, concrete, palpable
"is she a fictional character or a real person?"
antonyms: imaginary
used to emphasize the significance or seriousness of a situation or circumstance.
"there is a real danger of civil war"
Philosophy
relating to something as it is, not merely as it may be described or distinguished.
2.
(of a substance or thing) not imitation or artificial; genuine.
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synonyms: genuine, authentic, bona fide;

mag·ic
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noun
noun: magic

1.
the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
"do you believe in magic?"
synonyms: sorcery, witchcraft, wizardry, necromancy, enchantment, the supernatural, occultism, the occult, black magic, the black arts, voodoo, hoodoo, mojo, shamanism; More
charm, hex, spell, jinx;
pixie dust, fairy dust
"do you believe in magic?"
mysterious tricks, such as making things disappear and appear again, performed as entertainment.
synonyms: conjuring tricks, sleight of hand, legerdemain, illusion, prestidigitation
"he does magic at children's parties"
a quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, especially in a way that gives delight.
"the magic of the theater"
synonyms: allure, attraction, excitement, fascination, charm, glamour
"the magic of the stage"
informal
something that has a delightfully unusual quality.
"their seaside town is pure magic"

adjective
adjective: magic

1.
used in magic or working by magic; having or apparently having supernatural powers.
"a magic wand"
synonyms: supernatural, enchanted, occult
"a magic spell"
very effective in producing results, especially desired ones.
"confidence is the magic ingredient needed to spark recovery"
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Hello,

I am sorry I won't be able to reveal my real name. But every other detail I give are absolutely genuine.

If you were a FUTARIAN from 2007 to 2012 it's possible you know this radical dude typing this. Yes. I was a popular christian on campus because of my activities then.

I had formal Pastoral training from my home church with a certificate. (Don't want to name the church). That was before I got admission into
FUTA. We planted 2 new churches before I gained admission and was able to get the churches members before handing over to more experienced pastors.

HardMirror:

Stop being deceitful, stop editing my posts!
This is the full post

Why are you editing it? Why? You have posted your edited version about 10 times now so as to decieve people.
I guess you don't want people to see the bolded, you don't want them to know that placebo, adrenaline, hypnosis, derangment, delusion, hallucinations, intelligent forecasting, cold reading are the secrets behind this. Just as tricks are the secrets of magic.

mag·ic
ˈmajik/
noun
noun: magic

1.
the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
"do you believe in magic?"
synonyms: sorcery, witchcraft, wizardry, necromancy, enchantment, the supernatural, occultism, the occult, black magic, the black arts, voodoo, hoodoo, mojo, shamanism; More
charm, hex, spell, jinx;
pixie dust, fairy dust
"do you believe in magic?"
mysterious tricks, such as making things disappear and appear again, performed as entertainment.
synonyms: conjuring tricks, sleight of hand, legerdemain, illusion, prestidigitation
"he does magic at children's parties"
a quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, especially in a way that gives delight.
"the magic of the theater"
synonyms: allure, attraction, excitement, fascination, charm, glamour
"the magic of the stage"
informal
something that has a delightfully unusual quality.
"their seaside town is pure magic"

adjective
adjective: magic

1.
used in magic or working by magic; having or apparently having supernatural powers.
"a magic wand"
synonyms: supernatural, enchanted, occult
"a magic spell"
very effective in producing results, especially desired ones.
"confidence is the magic ingredient needed to spark recovery"
2.
informal
wonderful; exciting.
"what a magic moment"
synonyms: fascinating, captivating, charming, glamorous, magical, enchanting, entrancing, spellbinding, magnetic, irresistible, hypnotic More

Gift101:
You athiests are very funny in creating stupid topics that God exist. You call yourselves intelligent men and women and still you can't believe the one very simple truth that even a 3years old child believes in.

You haven't witness the power of God doesn't mean God doesn't exist. You're at home, you hear stories that God doesn't exist and you just believe that without trying to find out if what they are saying is true or not.

You just face some problems in life and you blame God for it without knowing that you might even be the one that is making God not to help you. You expect God to come and reveal himself personally to you before you can believe in him ?

Even satan that is far lower than God will hardly do that to you because he feels that he's far much more better than you and that you're just a kid compare to who he is.

You can't say you're not of God and you're still not of the Devil (athiesm); brother you're a liar because the tells us that if you're not of God then you're surely of the Devil.

ishow2005:


If you r practising Islam in Nigeria and choose to become atheist, no one will kill u either but what did the two holy books says about apostasy.

ishow2005:


For the fact that HARDMIRROR has a xtian background, it will take extra ordinary effort for him to be completely free from thinking without xtianity affecting his judgement. Same is applicable to those born Muslims.

raphieMontella:

you still lack comprehensive abilities...
Mehn christians sef!
May Nature help us!

hopefulLandlord:


you spill trash with confidence

an indoctrinated 3 year old would definitely believe there's a god

a feral child (child that grew up amongst animals isolated from humans) would not believe in any god so don't misinform people with your pathetic ignorance


Replace "God" with Bigfoot; let me do that for you

You haven't witness the power of Bigfoot doesn't mean Bigfoot doesn't exist. You're at home, you hear stories that Bigfoot doesn't exist and you just believe that without trying to find out if what they are saying is true or not.



your god was busy revealing himself personally to people in your hole-ly buybull; I wonder why he doesn't do that anymore, the same reason Batman reveals himself to people in movies and magazines but doesn't do that in real life too?



your Satan is same as god to us, they're both figments of your imagination



so you think atheism is the same as satanism? if I don't believe in your imaginary Jewish Skydaddy, why should I believe in your

imaginary ground troll?

HardMirror:

You have lost nothing, but when you die and discover muslims where right then you have lost everything. Cos many muslims also find joy and comfort in Islam

13  But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

 14  And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

 15  Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

 16  For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

 17  And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

 18  Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

trueking:
What page did the OP finish his story? all I see are arguments right from page 5. I have my reservations but I want to know what changed his belief.

20  Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

HardMirror:
CONTINUATION...
I LOSE MY FAITH IN THE BIBLE, Jesus and RELIGIOUS CONCEPT OF GOD.
Before I continue.
Miracles exists
Witchcraft
Speaking in tongues is real
Everything supernatural about christianity is real.
What is not real is the reason behind it.

crazymommy:
As usual the atheist keeps winning the argument ,why won't they win when my fellow Christians are suppose to tackle the issue raised with biblical fact they will be busy attacking the personality of anyone that does not believe In Christianity,is that how Jesus Christ taught you in the bible??that you should tell anyone that they will go to hell fire if they tell you they do not believe in GOD?? ...they will start using the cliche sentence like "you will rot in hell,on judgement day bla bla"they start acting like GOD gave them the key to hell fire and heaven so they are the ones that know who will go to heaven and who will go to hell fire ,they start acting as if they are not sinners too,u claimed the atheist is a sinner and will go to hell,you yourself as a Christian have you not sinned this year??have you not lied at all this year??have u not stared lustuflly at a woman or man this year??oh u have never sinned before na,if u have never sinned before or you won't commit sin then why did your same bible kept telling you to read Lord's Prayer??why did Jesus keep telling you to seek forgiveness of sin??can someone that is not a sinner or will never sin need forgiveness of sin??he knows sin starts from the heart even before doing it so yes everyone one way or the other has sinned so that means everyone on earth will go to hell fire??that was how one mumu who will keep shouting people will go to hell fire if they do not believe in GOD yet the idiot was sending me pms of how he wants to have a taste of me and inviting someone to a hotel to spend the night with him and I kept asking myself so this idiot engages in premarital sex and he will still be the same person condemning people that they will go to hell because they are sinners...hypocrites!!!!that was how one told me that it is a sin for someone to wear something that is made of gold and I asked her,who created the same gold??is it not your same GOD that created the gold??so if the gold is a sin to wear it then why did he create it??........being a Christian does not mean you should automatically believe you are the most intelligent person on earth and that nobody can give opinion in life anymore except if they are Christians...and one still wonders why sin still keeps increasing despite having more churches and mosques everywhere.......hypocrisy..

HardMirror:


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Some are here scurrying for errors to pick from my profile, my posts. They are desperately looking for anything to discredit this thread.
After all done and nothing tangible to hold on to, the begin to define me.

If the story had been
"Oh I hate god, he allowed my mother to die, I won't serve him again." They would have believed.

It is just so impossible for them to wrap their heads on the fact that a fruitful, grounded christian can end up ditching the bible.

Abeg I no fit shout jare

kayo80:



I guess most Christians are too scared of God and hell to question anything or let their mind think of anything that remotely gives them the reason to doubt God's existence. Ironically, it was when I decided to read the bible from start to finish that I became an atheist. I just had too many questions, and thanks to Google, I started my own personal research. At first, I was very scared when the truth started revealing itself. One day, my heart was beating so fast, when it dawned on me...I thought I was going to have a heart attack. It is like having a rag over your face all your life, and having it suddenly taken off. It can be scary at first. I got to know the truth and it set me free. I became an atheist in 2010.

HardMirror:

Simple question, have you seen dried bones come to life? Have u seen an amputee grow limbs?

dopedude:


What exactly did I lose. Since when I die there happens to be no heaven our life after death, but while here on earth I find peace and joy in my religion.
but also think of the other side, What if you die and there happens to be heaven. What do you think you have lost.

PastorAIO:


You are the one that is not getting the point. You are acting on the false premise that there are only 2 possibilities. There is either the Christian afterlife or the Atheist afterlife. Well in actual fact there are as many possible afterlifes as there are human ideas of an afterlife. There is the Hindu afterlife. There is the Muslim afterlife. There is the Ancient greek after life etc etc etc.


You want to suggest that a christian would be okay if he was wrong, but that is not true because if he meets allah in the afterlife then he is going to roast. I hope you get it now.

Gift101:


Have scientist seen the evolution of this world and universe before you believe in what to say to be "THE BIG BANG" ?

damogul:
@ the OP

This is my only question as this would make or break your case.

You mentioned that a particular brother in the fellowship died from complications that came from fasting...A nairalander who also finished in 2010 from your school asked for the persons name since he did not hear of such a case and you did not respond.

NOW I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE BROTHER WHO DIED VIA FASTING RELATED ISSUES? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN CONFIRM THIS.

If you cannot provide this name and we affirm it happened then we have our conclusion.

cc HardMirror, hopefullandlord

HardMirror:

Nice, so since I don't believe in the big bang, I can take it that your God too does not heal and ezekiel's story is a lie