Griffon:


It is finished!

I rest my case

Opelope penalty the Greatest Batistuta would not have scored a single goal in the Knockout stage of the World Cup.

A40:
Opelope penalty the Greatest Batistuta would not have scored a single goal in the Knockout stage of the World Cup.

All these would have held water if the argument was Batistuta vs Shevy or Batistuta vs Romario.
But so we don't lose context let's pause to remember this debate is about

Batistuta with 0.57 league goals per game vs Elber with 0.51

Batistuta with 56 international goals vs Elber with 7

Batistuta with 10 World Cup goals vs Elber with 0

Batistuta with goals against Brazil, Netherlands, England, Mexico, Colombia vs Elber with goals against El Salvador and Ecuador.

Batistuta honoured with a bronze statue erected by a grateful club vs Elber with a brazen defence engineered by a grateful NL fan

afrodoc2:

All these would have held water if the argument was Batistuta vs Shevy or Batistuta vs Romario.
But so we don't lose context let's pause to remember this debate is about

Batistuta with 0.57 league goals per game vs Elber with 0.51

Batistuta with 56 international goals vs Elber with 7

Batistuta with 10 World Cup goals vs Elber with 0

Batistuta with goals against Brazil, Netherlands, England, Mexico, Colombia vs Elber with goals against El Salvador and Ecuador.

Batistuta honoured with a bronze statue erected by a grateful club vs Elber with a brazen defence engineered by a grateful NL fan

Lmao. Batistuta cannot shine Romario's boots abeg. No point joining them in the same sentence

Elber - 25 Champions League goals
Batistuta - 7

Elber - 4 BL titles
Batistuta - 1 Serie A

Elber - 1 CL
1 Intercontinental Cup

Batistuta 10 World Cup goals 8 of them vs Greece, Japan, Jamaica, Nigeria

No goals from open play in the K.O stage
No semi final appearance

Overrated. Batistuta ko Batshuayi ni

2 counter attack goals vs Pep today.

We really miss those

Chei see Chicharito pk miss, later apoche cra cra go come here dey yarn nonsense

A40:
Chei see Chicharito pk miss, later apoche cra cra go come here dey yarn nonsense

Wolfsburg, Leverkusen Bremen Mochengladbach are all having a torrid season

Next season in the CL we might see 2 new teams from Germany

raumdeuter:


Wolfsburg, Leverkusen Bremen Mochengladbach are all having a torrid season

Next season in the CL we might see 2 new teams from Germany

Wolfsburg lost too many players. Didn't see them going too far. Hoffenheim and Hertha especially are showing last season wasn't a fluke

I don dey observe that Toljan since the Rio Olympics. That is another guy I would nominate to replace Lahm

Play play play play Leipzig go win this league oh

Funniest thing is A40's boss, dayo, would leave the f00l to continue disgracing himself. How a man in his senses would rate elber above batigoal, is still a mystery.

airmark:
Funniest thing is A40's boss, dayo, would leave the f00l to continue disgracing himself. How a man in his senses would rate elber above batigoal, is still a mystery.

Apoche cra cra the village eediot. Batistuta was overrated. This has been proven beyond reasonable doubt

You are the same phool that claimed Weah is better than David Villa.

Judging players solely on individual awards without discretion or common sense

A40:

[s]Apoche cra cra the village eediot. Batistuta was overrated. This has been proven beyond reasonable doubt

You are the same phool that claimed Weah is better than David Villa.

Judging players solely on individual awards without discretion or common sense[/s]

If you are not a great player fifa and uefa will not bombard you with individual awards. Anybody can hide under the umbrella of a team and win trophies, but you cant do that when we are talking of notable individual awards. That's why the individual awards' shelf of calamitous boathand is almost empty. There are thousands of players that have won ucl and world cup trophies, compared to the exclusive individual award winners. I can name many average players with trophies but uninspiring individual awards. Kids like you will not know who weah is , i dont blame you. You and your master will soon start writing boathand's name and beckenbauer on the same line.

Airmark o de se suru ke .

airmark:

If you are not a great player fifa and uefa will not bombard you with individual awards. Anybody can hide under the umbrella of a team and win trophies, but you cant do that when we are talking of notable individual awards. That's why the individual awards' shelf of calamitous boathand is almost empty. There are thousands of players that have won ucl and world cup trophies, compared to the exclusive individual award winners. I can name many average players with trophies but uninspiring individual awards. Kids like you will not know who weah is , i dont blame you. You and your master will soon start writing boathand's name and beckenbauer on the same line.

You will never understand the concept of overrated players with that your brain wey dey always do paku paku like I pass my neighbor generator. Why have those individual awards not been converted to titles? Owen, Beckham, Ferdinand, Lampard, Terry have all won multiple individual awards so simple logic dictates that these amalgam of stars in one team should be beasting and destroying teams like the 92 Dream Team. The question then for any intelligent mind is why do they keep failing year in year out? The odd outlier or bad tournament is understandable but when this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated

You that thought all DM's were deep-lying playmakers as at 2014 want to tell me about George Weah. Ori e ti gbale

dyabman:
Airmark o de se suru ke .

Omo mi na ni.

A40:

[s]You will never understand the concept of overrated players with that your brain wey dey always do paku paku like I pass my neighbor generator. Why have those individual awards not been converted to titles? Owen, Beckham, Ferdinand, Lampard, Terry have all won multiple individual awards so simple logic dictates that these amalgam of stars in one team should be beasting and destroying teams like the 92 Dream Team. The question then for any intelligent mind is why do they keep failing year in year out?[/s] The odd outlier or bad tournament is understandable but when this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated

[s]You that thought all DM's were deep-lying playmakers as at 2014 want to tell me about George Weah. Ori e ti gbale [/s]

Mr. man, my shock was how any human being would put elber over batigoal. Nobody is arguing with you on him being overrated. So dont try to shy away from your ish and dont bring terry and co into it. Have we not seen bayern against unknown rostov players suffering for boathand's stvpidity? It is possible for a group of great players having the likes of boathand around, spoiling their efforts. The issue here is elber and batistuta, below stats you dropped murdered you a long time. But like ajakaja that you are, keep disgracing yourself.

A40:

Elber - 133 goals in 260 Bundesliga games
Batistuta - 184 goals in 318 Serie A games

Take your L, excel guguru man

Ibime:


When someone said this boy is slow, he would not take it as fact.

To him 133 in 260 looks better than 184 in 318.

And he calls himself Excel guru?

Ibime:


When someone said this boy is slow, he would not take it as fact.

To him 133 in 260 looks better than 184 in 318.

And he calls himself Excel guru?

In other words Elber scored 1 in 2 playing for the best team in Bundesliga where it is easier to score, whilst Batigol scored 1 in 1.7 playing for the 4th/5th team in Serie A which was harder to score in.

You are a BULLY!!!

How dare you talk to Excel guguru like that!

airmark:

Mr. man, my shock was how any human being would put elber over batigoal. Nobody is arguing with you on him being overrated. So dont try to shy away from your ish and dont bring terry and co into it. Have we not seen bayern against unknown rostov players suffering for boathand's stvpidity? It is possible for a group of great players having the likes of boathand around, spoiling their efforts. The issue here is elber and batistuta, below stats you dropped murdered you a long time. But like ajakaja that you are, keep disgracing yourself.

I was also shocked when you came onto this forum and did not know the difference between a DM and a deep-lying playmaker.

The argument on who is better is moot. At the end of the day the titles and Elber's contribution to them are lucid for all to see.

Boateng had a bad game vs Rostov. Big whoop! In 2013 we lost to phucking BATE Borisov from Belarus you daft he-goat. Didn't stop Bayern from a CL and didn't stop Germany from a World Cup title. Big players know how to rise to the occasion

The question I have been asking and you are yet to give a coherent answer to is why do the all star Lampard, Beckham, Owen, John Terryble and Ferdinand keep failing at the biggest stage. Who is that 'Boateng' sabotaging their efforts? Why is that Boateng not doing so for Bayern and Germany and who are the daft coaches that keep picking him?

Apa. What stats murdered me? If we exclude penalties I'm sure the difference would be non existent.

Weyrey alaso

airmark:

So dont try to shy away from your ish and dont bring terry and co into it. Have we not seen bayern against unknown rostov players suffering for boathand's stvpidity? It is possible for a group of great players having the likes of boathand around, spoiling their efforts.

Apoche cra cra is a very senseless individual. Boateng was terrible in that match but when he left the pitch what was the scoreline? And what was the final score?

Just show us the Boateng among the Three Lions of England. I don't know when you would stop your senseless, burukutu analogies

A40:

[s]I was also shocked when you came onto this forum and did not know the difference between a DM and a deep-lying playmaker.

The argument on who is better is moot. At the end of the day the titles and Elber's contribution to them are lucid for all to see.

Boateng had a bad game vs Rostov. Big whoop! In 2013 we lost to phucking BATE Borisov from Belarus you daft he-goat. Didn't stop Bayern from a CL and didn't stop Germany from a World Cup title. Big players know how to rise to the occasion

The question I have been asking and you are yet to give a coherent answer to is why do the all star Lampard, Beckham, Owen, John Terryble and Ferdinand keep failing at the biggest stage. Who is that 'Boateng' sabotaging their efforts? Why is that Boateng not doing so for Bayern and Germany and who are the daft coaches that keep picking him?

Apa. What stats murdered me? If we exclude penalties I'm sure the difference would be non existent.

Weyrey alaso [/s]

So you had to read several times before realising your line where you stated batigoal's penalties gave him an edge in goal stats was senseless, hence you deleted it. I will give you 24 hours for further editing. Buzz me when you are through with something reasonable. Always think deeply before you reply next time or ask dayo to vet for you, before clicking the submit button.

Pataki:


You are a BULLY!!!

How dare you talk to Excel guguru like that!

The same ibime , dayo wanted to connect to help the shomolu business center photocopier operator, is the one skinning him alive.

A40:

I was also shocked when you came onto this forum and did not know the difference between a DM and a deep-lying playmaker.

The argument on who is better is moot. At the end of the day the titles and Elber's contribution to them are lucid for all to see.

Boateng had a bad game vs Rostov. Big whoop! In 2013 we lost to phucking BATE Borisov from Belarus you daft he-goat. Didn't stop Bayern from a CL and didn't stop Germany from a World Cup title. Big players know how to rise to the occasion

The question I have been asking and you are yet to give a coherent answer to is why do the all star Lampard, Beckham, Owen, John Terryble and Ferdinand keep failing at the biggest stage. Who is that 'Boateng' sabotaging their efforts? Why is that Boateng not doing so for Bayern and Germany and who are the daft coaches that keep picking him?

Apa. What stats murdered me? If we exclude penalties I'm sure the difference would be non existent.

Weyrey alaso

This line of argument is very very poor. If we apply thr same question to Argentina, the conclusion is that the likes of Messi Aguero ADM Higuain Macsherano etc are overrated

Nihilist:


This line of argument is very very poor. If we apply thr same question to Argentina, the conclusion is that the likes of Messi Aguero ADM Higuain Macsherano etc are overrated

Agüero, Higuain, ADM are very much overrated. But again you are missing the point like a free throw. Argentina can at least boast of narrowly losing out of all 3 trophies. Losing in the finals (close games) England cannot even get to semi final FFS so your example na offside

Nihilist:


This line of argument is very very poor. If we apply thr same question to Argentina, the conclusion is that the likes of Messi Aguero ADM Higuain Macsherano etc are overrated

Argentina has made 3 finals under those players, England didnt even make a semi final in the entire playing career of Beckham, Terry, Rio, Cashley, Lampard and Gerrard all those award winning FIFA and UEFA 11 players

A40:

Agüero, Higuain, ADM are very much overrated. But again you are missing the point like a free throw. Argentina can at least boast of narrowly losing out of all 3 trophies. Losing in the finals (close games) England cannot even get to semi final FFS so your example na offside

Aguero Higuain and ADM are overrated...

Are you listening to yourself at all?

BTW Messi is also on the list, and your Logic also applies to him. Afterall he has loads of individual awards but can't win anything internationally.

Nihilist:
Aguero Higuain and ADM are overrated...

Are you listening to yourself at all?

BTW Messi is also on the list, and your Logic also applies to him. Afterall he has loads of individual awards but can't win anything internationally.

DiMaria and Higuain are overrated.
Messi made 3 finals, these group of England useless 11 cant even make a semi final

raumdeuter:


DiMaria and Higuain are overrated.
Messi made 3 finals, these group of England useless 11 cant even make a semi final

Before A40 was talking about why Beckham and co did not win anything.

The fact that it has now changed to 'make final' already shows how illogical such a stance is to begin with.

Now you guys are playing cut and paste.

Before the argument was

[quoteWhy have those individual awards not been converted to titles? Owen, Beckham, Ferdinand, Lampard, Terry have all won multiple individual awards so simple logic dictates that these amalgam of stars in one team should be beasting and destroying teams like the 92 Dream Team. The question then for any intelligent mind is why do they keep failing year in year out? The odd outlier or bad tournament is understandable but when this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated][/quote]

Now it has turned to...you can fail on the international stage but not be overrated...

Nihilist:

Before A40 was talking about why Beckham and co did not win anything.
The fact that it has now changed to 'make final' already shows how illogical such a stance is to begin with.
Now you guys are playing cut and paste.
Before the argument was
Now it has turned to...you can fail on the international stage but not be overrated...

If you dont win at least make a final or go deep in a tournament. Argntina has made 3 finals to show their strenght as individuals. England didnt make 1 semi final. They even didnt qualify for a major tournament at the peak of all these FIFA and UEFA award winners

Failures have levels, Atletico failing to win the CL is way different from those who cant even make a quarter final

Nihilist:


Before A40 was talking about why Beckham and co did not win anything.

The fact that it has now changed to 'make final' already shows how illogical such a stance is to begin with.

Now you guys are playing cut and paste.

Before the argument was

Now it has turned to...you can fail on the international stage but not be overrated...

My friend there is levels to overrated. I am inherently aware of the difficulty of winning these tournaments but you can't sit there and tell me a supposedly World class bunch of players from attack to defense are combined together and consistently fail to even get to the latter stage of comps never mind winning it

If you choose to deliberately misunderstand me then how is that my fault?

Nihilist:


Aguero Higuain and ADM are overrated...

Are you listening to yourself at all?

BTW Messi is also on the list, and your Logic also applies to him. Afterall he has loads of individual awards but can't win anything internationally.

Are you asking me if Higuain, ADM and Agüero are overrated? Go and ask Messi, Barca fans and the average Argie on the street what they think of the players I listed above. My logic doesn't apply to Messi. You have taken it upon yourself to turn the argument on its head and O.Y.O is your case in this instance

We have seen Argentina that cannot beat ordinary Paraguay at home in Messi's absence. We have seen Argentina on the brink of WC disaster with ADM, Agüero, Higuain present and you are still asking me if they are overrated

A40:

My friend there is levels to overrated. I am inherently aware of the difficulty of winning these tournaments but you can't sit there and tell me a supposedly World class bunch of players from attack to defense are combined together and consistently fail to even get to the latter stage of comps never mind winning it

If you choose to deliberately misunderstand me then how is that my fault?

These are your words verbatim:

"this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated"

Messi 2007 Copa - Failure

Messi 2014 World Cup - Failure

Messi 2015 Copa - Failure

Messi 2016 Copa - Failure

Oya explain how based on your own logic in your own words, Messi is not overrated.

A40:

Are you asking me if Higuain, ADM and Agüero are overrated? Go and ask Messi, Barca fans and the average Argie on the street what they think of the players I listed above. My logic doesn't apply to Messi. You have taken it upon yourself to turn the argument on its head and O.Y.O is your case in this instance

We have seen Argentina that cannot beat ordinary Paraguay at home in Messi's absence. We have seen Argentina on the brink of WC disaster with ADM, Agüero, Higuain present and you are still asking me if they are overrated

What kind of yarns is this.

I should ask Barca fans if Aguero and Di Maria are overrated. Or I should fly to Buenos Aires to ask an Argentine if they are overrated...because you clearly must have

Aguero overrated....oya who con be the rated?