mmsen:


So if someone said 'maybe we should burn down your home for not going to church' you wouldn't be concerned? You wouldn't take that as a threat?

this would have made sense if you can prove that he actually did burn houses for that.

lexiconkabir:


this would have made sense if you can prove that he actually did burn houses for that.

Read what I said and don't duck the question.

If someone said 'maybe we should burn down your home for not going to church' you wouldn't be concerned? You wouldn't take that as a threat?

mmsen:


Read what I said and don't duck the question.

If someone said 'maybe we should burn down your home for not going to church' you wouldn't be concerned? You wouldn't take that as a threat?

i read it, and I'm telling you it doesn't make sense for you to say that, for the reason which i stated earlier.

Junior66:

No mind de guy. He even unashamedly quoted dat part meaning he is proud of it.

Guy these write up is not for you, so what ur problem about that, you just carry the matter for head like pour water

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snapscore:
Jazakallahu Khiran OP.
People are focusing on part and leaving a part.

Wa iyakum ukhtii toh sahih!!

tintingz:
Another reason I don't follow some hadiths.

I keep saying it, u r very ignorantly IGNORaNT brother.

Yah ikhwanu Imaan, make sincere dua for this 'Tintingz' brother b4 its too late. This is the least we can do for you!!

lexiconkabir:


i read it, and I'm telling you it doesn't make sense for you to say that, for the reason which i stated earlier.

It makes perfect sense to say that because it's the same statement if you replace church with mosque.

There is no way of knowing at the time if the person making the threat intends to carry out said attack but we do know from third party historical accounts as well as the Quran that those who refused to submit to the new mythology were mistreated, abused and killed.

...

mmsen:


It makes perfect sense to say that because it's the same statement if you replace church with mosque.

you know, whatever a madman does makes perfect sense to him..

There is no way of knowing at the time if the person making the threat intends to carry out said attack but we do know from third party historical accounts as well as the Quran than those who refused to submit to the new mythology were mistreated, abused and killed.

are you thirsty for arguments? because this thread is not even for the hadeeth.

lexiconkabir:


The main problem with some Muslims is, they try to force themselves to reason like the westerners, if they see a Muslim with beard and trousers above the ankle, or a sister with full jilbaab with socks, they start thinking of them as "backward", which civilization is better than that of Allaah's deen?

is it that of the westerners who oppress their women by portraying them as sex objects? if they want to sell table water(say), they show an unclad women drinking the water, whats this?

Muslims don't think WAllaahi.

Most muslims of nowadays are muslims by name. They want to practice Islaam their own way, which is not meant to be so.

If u r conversant with the stories of the old, the people Allaah destroyed and the way ppl behave now are just the same way, wanting the punishment of Allaah to be fast forwarded.


One thing is, even if ANGELS come down to this dunya with evidence to worship Allaah(subhanahu wa ta'allah) it is only those Allaah wishes to guide o.

PS; The dictionary definition of 'trousers' are an item
of clothing worn from the WAIST to the ANKLES....

I seek refuge in Allaah fitnah, trials of life and death, from trials of masseh dajjal, and I seek refuge in Allaah the most High from been IGNORANT.

lexiconkabir:


you know, whatever a madman does makes perfect sense to him..




are you thirsty for arguments? because this thread is not even for the hadeeth.

The hadith was used to justify the point being made about the need to pray at the mosque so it is an important part of the OP's argument.

If a xtian, buddhist or sango adherent said this to you would you not be concerned?:
"then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

mmsen:


It makes perfect sense to say that because it's the same statement if you replace church with mosque.

There is no way of knowing at the time if the person making the threat intends to carry out said attack but we do know from third party historical accounts as well as the Quran than those who refused to submit to the new mythology were mistreated, abused and killed.

U think this is ECONOMICS or PHYSICS where you replace variables ni!!?!

I think u r ignorant of the subject matter and clinging on to it with intellectual stubborness.

RABIUSHILE04:


U think this is ECONOMICS or PHYSICS where you replace variables ni!!?!

I think u r ignorant of the subject matter and clinging on to it with intellectual stubborness.

So you are saying that one should refrain from using logic when it comes to Islam because the normal rules of reason and justification do not apply?

mmsen:


So you are saying that one should refrain from using logic when it comes to Islam because the normal rules of reason and justification do not apply?

Ur own definition of reasoning and justification is ur own problem.

What is been logical wen it is said, men shud pray the obligatory salawats in d masjid and at the right tym, give zakat, fast, perfom hajj, be good to kin and kith, be nice to ppl, females shud dress in their hijab, non-gender mixing, non-drinking of intoxicant, non-gambling, no-to-riba etc...

In Islaam we do not use the 'logic' that made other religions the way it is today. Using logic, logic, logic made the so called men of god fantastically and corruptically rich and their mekunus fantastically poor..bcuz logic is doin evangelism with style. Jesus son of Mary(May Allaah be Pleased with him) lived with his sahabas(Children of Israil), he didn't do dawah with 50 donkeys or horses bcuz he knows vanity is vanity.


Using logic is; is when Jesus was alive, it was just a handful of ppl dat followed him, but years later, ppl who didn't live, eat, talk, sleep, smile with him brought the religion to u LOGICIANs and u 'di mo'/embrace it with ignorance, shiooo...claiming to LOVE Jesus, and his mother, but do not practice what he practiced, do not lived the way he lived, dress the way they dressed and so on.

That's y u see d female LOGICIANs scrambling for their handkerchief wen it is time for 'adura' to cover their head, HYPOCRISY number 1...

PS: We do not use logic here. Na Logic Firawn, Ppl of Lut, Ppl of Hud, Ppl of Ibrahim, Qaroon, Namrud, Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, Musailamah d liar, and co use..na whr dem dey, they're logically HELLY!

RABIUSHILE04:


Ur own definition of reasoning and justification is ur own problem.

What is been logical wen it is said, men shud pray the obligatory salawats in d masjid and at the right tym, give zakat, fast, perfom hajj, be good to kin and kith, be nice to ppl, females shud dress in their hijab, non-gender mixing, non-drinking of intoxicant, noni-gambling, no-to-riba etc...

In Islaam we do not use the 'logic' that made other religions the way it is today. Using logic, logic, logic made the so called men of god fantastically and corruptically rich and their mekunus.fantastically poor..bcuz logic is doin evangelism with style. Jesus son of Mary(May Allaah be Pleased with him) lived with his sahabas(Children of Israil), he didn't do dawah with 50 donkeys or horses bcuz he knows vanity is vanity.


Using logic is; is when Jesus was alive, it was just a handful of ppl dat followed him, but years later, ppl who didn't live, eat, talk, sleep, smile with him brought the religion to u LOGICIANs and u 'di mi'/embrace it with ignorance, shiooo...claiming to LOVE Jesus, and his mother, but do not practice what he practiced, do not lived the way he lived, dress the way they dressed and so on.

That's y u see d female LOGICIANs scrambling for their handkerchief wen it is time for 'adura' to cover their head, HYPOCRISY number 1...

PS: We do not use logic here. Na Logic Firawn, Ppl of Lut, Ppl of Hud, Ppl of Ibrahim, Qaroon, Namrud, Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, Musailamah d liar, and co use..na whr dem dey, they're logically HELLY!

If you use logic then you won't waste your time in church or give your money to a pastor but that is beside the point.

Why can you not use logic when discussing Islam?

Why should rational people ignore the threats that are made in the Quran?

RABIUSHILE04:


I keep saying it, u r very ignorantly IGNORaNT brother.

Yah ikhwanu Imaan, make sincere dua for this 'Tintingz' brother b4 its too late. This is the least we can do for you!!

Fact. Before he become Qur'an follower only.

May Allah show him the right way And Not only showing him the way but making hm follow.

lexiconkabir:

thank you, now kindly swerve through here >>>>>>

Wicked!

RABIUSHILE04:


I keep saying it, u r very ignorantly IGNORaNT brother.

Yah ikhwanu Imaan, make sincere dua for this 'Tintingz' brother b4 its too late. This is the least we can do for you!!

FriendChoice:


Fact. Before he become Qur'an follower only.

May Allah show him the right way And Not only showing him the way but making hm follow.

Why you guys always picking on me? Do I look like a sectarian champion?

Farmerforlife:


Jazakum Allah khayran op.











Some Muslims think like Christians, they analyse their religious books carelessly, remain adamant when shown their errors, and even go so far as to build mansions of conclusions on top of those errors. Or they insist that we should cherry pick hadith based on their personal desires, just like Christians cherry pick from their so called scriptures. Come on people, Islam emphasizes the use of your reasoning. All authentic hadith are pertinent in Islam.

Mr Farmer, point of correction I don't think like Christians, the way I reason is my business.

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lexiconkabir:
why are people making unnecessary remarks about the hadeeth?! the thread is not even about that, but emphasis on "men praying at home", of course the prophet didnt burn the house of anybody, did he? that statement of his can be taken as a threat to emphasise the importance of praying in congregation, the hadeeth should be evaluated in the form of encouraging people to pray in congregation and threatening those who abandon praying in congregation. The Prophet did not utter those words because he wanted to burn the houses of people. As a matter of fact, if he wanted to do so, he could have done it. That is, he preferred those words in order to express the importance of the issue. We also use different expressions for the important things in our daily lives.

هذا الرد الذي أوردت والله أقول لك صراحة لن يفيدك في شيئ إذا جادلت مستشرقا/كافرا عالما بما يتعلق بالإسلام خاصة علم أصول الفقه. أنصحك أن تقرأ ماذا قال الأصوليون خاصة كلام ابن حجر رضي الله عنه عن هموم الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم.
ثانيا::أرى أن الرد المناسب لكلام ذاك الخبيث أن للرسول قدرة على تشريع ما أوحى إليه من جل جلاله، إن كان تحريقا فتحريق وإن كان غيره فغيره، رضينا بالله ربا وبمحمد صلى الله عليه وسلم نبيا رسولا، وبالإسلام دينا،بهذا فلا يحل لمسلم أن يختبر صحة ما جاء به رسول رب العالمين فضلا عن كافر!!!

Are you saying the prophet SAW never prayed in his house for once during his lifetime? the point is everyone that pray in the house will surely have a reason. Only Allah SWT can judge, sharing this kind of Hadith will even discourage those who are steadfast in prayer due to the comfort of praying at home.

lexiconkabir:


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Lol. Didirin. At the end of the day when fanatics do something like burn a man's house for a solo prayer, you'll still be the same people to say they "misconstrued the Prophet's words". If you like go burn person house, I go join hand beat your life black and yellow.

mmsen:


The hadith was used to justify the point being made about the need to pray at the mosque so it is an important part of the OP's argument.

If a xtian, buddhist or sango adherent said this to you would you not be concerned?:
"then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

At least have the decency to quote the hadith in full. You cited half the hadith a number of times, not once did you cite it correctly. How can you start a sentence with 'then'? Stop the insincerity. If you want to debate, base your reasoning on facts, not your personal fabrications.

mmsen:


So if someone said 'maybe we should burn down your home for not going to church' you wouldn't be concerned? You wouldn't take that as a threat?

Just Imagine?

THREAT OF VIOLENCE........... is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE!

There are other non-violent ways to show "importance and emphasis" on what one is saying.
These guys should Stop justifying EVIL

Its is such careless statements of violence that "followers" seize-upon to wreck havoc on other innocent people.





Lastpage!


BTW: Stop removing posts that dont agree with your views.... its another example of your level of intolerance amongst other religions.

lexiconkabir:


lol in the "book of fake hadeeth" so this hadeeth is daeef? hadeeth that is in bukhaari and Muslim? an hadeeth that is muttafaqa alayhi(agreed upon)?

don't just be "daeefing" hadeeth without knowledge, if you don't understand a hadeeth and its graded sahih, believe that the hadeeth has a good meaning and ask those who knows to explain it for you

please bukhari and muslim hadeeth were compile after the dead of the prophet S.A.W. and the four caliph any hadeeth that goes contradictory to the QURAN is weak or fake. Any word that comes out of the prophet mouth is deem authority and the prophet S.A.W. that I know is not a lover of blood shedding all in the name of not praying in the mosque.
Remember none of the two were alive during the life time of the prophet S.A.W.

Farmerforlife:


At least have the decency to quote the hadith in full. You cited half the hadith a number of times, not once did you cite it correctly. How can you start a sentence with 'then'? Stop the insincerity. If you want to debate, base your reasoning on facts, not your personal fabrications.

“I was thinking of ordering a man to give the iqaamah, then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

I was doing your prophet a favor by not quoting the hadith in full because instead of sounding like a blood thirsty control-freak the full version makes the author sound like a confused blood thirsty maniac.

Before I use to defend all hadiths with passion but I have realized some hadith cannot be of Prophet(SA) saying.

Imagine someone like Mufti Menk gave such a speech in media:

I was thinking of ordering a man to give the iqaamah, then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

Doesn't this sound like a threats? A reasonable person will be concerned.

Na so I mistakenly heard one sheikh saying Prophet Muhammad (SA) never yawn through out his life time.