dolphinheart:


whenever I tell you something, I usually quote the scriptures to support what I say


then you should have no problem believing the translations I quoted who had removed the false words added by the false scribes to support the false trinity doctrine.

I do not pit translations against translations, if the translations are the same, then their can be no pitting, but if they are differentering, then their is something wrong, a sincere person will search for what is wrong and get to know which one is true and which one is false, it is clear that both different translations cannot be true.


Good that you now admit that God spoke in the book of revelation.
The one who is who was and who is to come is almighty God, jesus is not that one.
God gave the revelation to jesus , jesus is not God who gave the revelation to jesus.
In revelation, jesus has a God he calls my God, almighty God does not have a God superior to him.



Good you stated those 2 sources.


Good, so stop doing those things!

dolphinheart:
FULL TEXT OF MY POST BEFORE IT WAS HEAVELY ERASED
"read verse one and see who gave Jesus the revelation

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking
John never added "the almighty" to that verse, it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking in that verse, Jesus cannot be that person inasmuch as Jesus cannot be the seven spirits.
This is what Rev 1: 8 says:
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 
International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."
NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 
New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

Before john turned behind him, this was the words he heard:

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to those verses by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity 

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.


Good for you to read that Jesus said he was dead, God can never die!

different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22 

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant Jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)


unfortunately for you, the verse did not say father, look below:
we all know it is Jehovah talking here :
Ex 33:20But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”

People saw Jesus and lived, no one can see Jehovah and live, one more evidence to show that Jesus is not Jehovah.



read slowly what I said :

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live
don't try to give my statements different wordings. I used "God" the way the scriptures used it, so that we can identify who God is.


NO! I cannot admit to false teachings. The one who appeared to abraham and Jacob is Almighty God, whose name is Jehovah.
Ex 6:2Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah
Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Jehovah is Almighty God, Jehovah alone is also the most high
[b]Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, [color=blue]You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of [b]God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

We know that Jesus is not the most high, the scriptures say he is the " son of the most high"

we all know that jehovah is almighty God and most high, we also know that jesus sits at the right hand of God, who is most high, almighty God, majesty on high. This knowledge helps us to understand this verses below .
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  [b]No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
As you yourself has seen, the father is God and not Jesus. no wonder Jesus could say this
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”

No wonder the disciples could say this :
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,[/blue] may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING JESUS, HIS SERVANT.

you refuse this straight forward verses only to follow verses which you had alter or propose derived analogy about so as to arrive at a false doctrine.

Joh 6:46Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.
can the one who is from God be the same God as the one who he is from?

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

You just indicated that the father sent Jesus, the scriptures indicated that God sent Jesus and you can't put two and two together!

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
no one can see Jehovah and live, no one has seen the father, no one has seen God at anytime, yet you could not decipher that this is referring to the same person , that the father is Jehovah that the father is God almighty, that the father is greater that Jesus, that the father is the most high God.

You could not decipher that Jesus was seen and heard, Jesus was sent by the father, Jesus was sent by God, Jesus called the father his God. You could not use this info ton realise that Jesus is not the father, Jesus is not God almighty, Jesus is subjected to God, Jesus does his father's will, Jesus is not Jehovah.


No man has ever seen the Father, yet God appeared to men, it was God the Word that became the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke and appeared to men.
Yahweh of the old Testament is the Word of God-the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


no one can see Jehovah, no one can see God, no one has seen God, no one can see Jehovah and yet live. This facts can be found in the scriptures.
If Jesus is God and Jesus is Jehovah, thenot it means that those scriptures are lying. but since we know that Jesus is not God who sent hime to earth, that Jesus is not the father who sent him as his representative, and that Jesus is not Jehovah who prophesied about him as his servant, then those verses are telling us the truth

ha ha, to many many words of folly to add my reply here
continue next post

^^^ reply to above posts


lie lie dolphinheart


ha ha all that mostly repeated confusion
read your post again and see all the confusion, twisting-lying there, if that's possible for the blinded

such confusion comes from constant twisting-lying

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



I will again simply put my case, see if you can simply-honestly reply, instead of your usual many many words of confusion and lies
the reason you use many many confused words is because you don't have a true reply

Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2  The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. 

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
^^^
returns to his folly, you do that all the time lie lie, definitely talking of you




No man has seen or heard Father:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Because no man has seen or heard Father, this is God the Word:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


God Almighty-Yahweh is God, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is God Almighty-Yahweh

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

dolphinheart:

Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God.

dolphinheart:

Secondly we know that God almighty sits on his throne, the throne of God, did John see Jesus on that throne ? no.

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

dolphinheart:

read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

I did not say father giving Jesus revelation ,I said God gave Jesus the revelation

lie lie dolphinheart said: it was God the almighty, I did not say father, I said God

dolphinheart:

the person who is with someone cannot be the same person with the one he is with!.

Ha ha, no a/c dolphinheart He is not the same person He is the same God, (Father and Son = two persons) duh



1Jn_1:6  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

false jehovahs witnesses:

Pro_12:17  He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Pro_14:5  A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
Pro_14:25  A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.

There is only one bible that has Jehovah's name written all through it, that is your bible. But if you are looking for answers in the 1611-you won't find any, Iehovah is the correct English spelling in this bible. ""J" isn't used in the 1611 English version.
The KJV says Iehovah in the 1611 {Psalms 83:18}
{Isaiah 42:8 } in the 1611 version, "says I am the Lord.
{Jeremiah 23:5} No Jehovah or Iehovah in the 1611 version.
{Jeremiah 33:15-16} No Jehovah or Iehovah written in the 1611 The Lord our righteousness

[Dolphinheart> HOW CAN YOU READ ALL THIS PROPHECIES FROM JEHOVAH AND SAY JEHOVAH IS THE ROOT OF DAVID.
There are even more prophecies about jesus in which jehovah called jesus his servant!]

Firstly I have never said Jehovah is the root of David? To be honest I thought Jehovah was supposed to be God-so how can you say He's the root of David.
Unless you believe God is Jesus incarnated..

{Isaiah 11:1-3, 53:2} I can't find the Jehovah nor Iehovah written in the 1611 version.
{Revelation 5:5, 22:16} Nothing in the 1611 is written Jehovah or Iehovah.
I really don't know, in what way are you trying to prove your point

[Dolphinheart The questions one needs to ask you is . where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?]

I wish you would make up your mind? Is God's name Jehovah or not
Firstly you ask me where Abram built an Alter, and I gave you the scripture {Genesis 13:4 and now I am adding Genesis 22:14}
And with a slight twist, and a little trickery, you are now asking me where "Abraham built an image?
Abram built an Alter-naming it Jehovahjireh.
But really Dolphinheart-all you need to do is read the bible yourself-no-one is interested in your trick questions.
Every Image that's made are some sort of Structure-are we not made in the image of God.
You ask did Abraham use this place of worship-I think you should be reading your bible and see it for yourself-if Abraham had built an image.

dolphinheart:

continue, I'll rather follow the words of the psalmist
Ps 83:18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

And to God himself
Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.


YOU CAN LIE!!
I did not tell you to answer Luke 1:31 , look at what I asked you to do below:
"Go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!



I do not wish to give you any extermination.


show me the question you asked that I did not answer.

Are you saying I've never talked about these verses?


in what way do I currupt your page, do you have a page?


you have not read the prophecy, go and read it again, you are just stating the sign associated with the prophesy, go and read all that Isaiah told the king. not just one verse.



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But the scriptures say he will be called by the name Immanuel, so are you now saying no one is called by that name?


Good, do you also know other prophecies of Jesus by isaiah, Jehovah called Jesus his servant, he will guide and approve him, he will exalt him.



Your falsehood becomes more evident every time you mention the scriptures let's look at the verses you mentioned

1.jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.

brocab, look at what the verse says, Jehovah is saying he will raise up to David a root. A person with a sincere mind will realise that Jehovah, who is talking their is not the root that will be raised. It is clearly evident that Jehovah is talking about about someone else, not himself. This fact is surported by the following scriptures below:
Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 53:2 He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.
Jer 33:15, 16 In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.16In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will reside in security. And this is what she will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.’”
Zec 3:8“‘Hear, please, O High Priest Joshua, you and your companions who sit before you, for these men serve as a sign; look! I am bringing in my servant Sprout!

HOW CAN YOU READ ALL THIS PROPHECIES FROM JEHOVAH AND SAY JEHOVAH IS THE ROOT OF DAVID.
There are even more prophecies about jesus in which jehovah called jesus his servant!

The issue of kingship is mentioned in that verse, let's look at what the KJV says about that
King James Version
Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Brocab, whichever name you call the Lord God, watever the argument is about the name, it is cLear that the "Lord God " who will give jesus the throne of his father David is not the same person as jesus!, therefore jesus is not the Lord God.


look again at another part of that verse which talks about upholding justice and righteousness in the land. If we examine the prophecies of isaiah, we will see that jehovah cannot be the root of jesse, the root of David.
Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isa 11:3And he will find delight in the fear of Jehovah. He will not judge by what appears to his eyes, Nor reprove simply according to what his ears hear.
read also
Isa 53:2
Re 5:5
Re 22:16

did jesus fufill this prophecies? Yes!
JEHOVAH'S SPIRIT SETTLE UPON JESUS
[b]Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Joh 1:32John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him.
Ac 10:38about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power,and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

HE FINDS DELIGHT IN THE FEAR OF JEHOVAH
Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

JESUS IS THE ROOT
[b]Re 22:16“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’
BROCAB, YOU READ ALL THIS VERSES AND YOU STILL HAVE A CONSCIENCE TO SAY JESUS IS JEHOVAH?


2. Jer 23:6In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will reside in security. And this is the name by which he will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.”

if you read the scriptures, you would have understood why he was called "jehovah is our righteouness".
Isa 54:17No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah.

A further understanding comes when we examine it's use in jer 33: 14-16
[b]Jer 33:14 “‘Look! The days are coming,’ declares Jehovah, ‘when I will fulfill the good promise that I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and the house of Judah
Jer 33:15 In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:16In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will reside in security. And this is what she will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.’”
hope you can see that "jehovah is our righteousness" Is not the name of any person. There is a reason a person or place bears that title!


jesus was not called yahweh/jehovah because he is not yahweh/jehovah, it's as simple as that. jesus brought people to the the almighty God who is Yahweh/jehovah and not to himself , he is the way to God, his father, jehovah , almighty God.


The underlined is false.


Jesus was a god, a mighty god, but he became flesh and dwelled with mankind. He was a man when was on earth. If jesus was God while he was on earth, it would have proven Satan to be right, that no perfect man can serve God till death. because jesus will be more than a perfect man.



Go and read the whole prophecy of Isaiah, not just the sign.

you responded go my post, but you refuse to answer the questions asked :
" go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!"

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO, YOU AGAIN SHOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE ANYTIME YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER CUS YOU KNOW IT EXPOSES YOU.

The questions one needs to ask you is 
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

I find you quite strange at times Dolphinheart, listen I do realise you don't read the scriptures, as much as you would like too, but there has to be a fine line somewhere between us, about your silly demands.
Where else do the prophets retrieve Prophesies such as these from, the Lord speaks through the prophets, These are signs and wonders God had given to His people to spread the good news around the neighbourhood.
Everything lined up about the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament-and everything in the New Testament lines up about Jesus once more.

dolphinheart:


what was the background to the prophecy?
what caused isaiah to give that prophecy?
who was isaiah directing the prophecy to?
was the prophecy fulfilled in Isaiahs time?

though I know you will not answer those questions, but I know others will examine them and come to a better knowledge about that prophecy and it's fulfillment.

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

The jehovahs witnesses sect say they are christians, but they do lie,
they are pretend christians, they are tares(weeds)

The Parable of the Weeds

the man is Jesus
His enemy is satan
the good seed(wheat) are Christians
the tares(weeds that look like wheat) are pretend christians such as the jehovahs witnesses sect
the servants are God'sAngels

Mat 13:24  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 
Mat 13:25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 
Mat 13:26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 
Mat 13:27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 
Mat 13:28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 
Mat 13:29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


I was reminded of the jehovahs witnesses tares yesterday
while rooting out weeds in my garden.

themall:

Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical "apostates that is, the jehovahs witness sect" Very easy to spot an apostate. Some say this is a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle or abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
Apostates are those who fall away from the true faith, abandoning what they formerly professed to believe. The term describes those whose beliefs are so deficient as to place them outside the pale of true Christianity. For example, a liberal denomination that denies the authority of Scripture or the ransoming value of Christ's blood is an apostate denomination.

True Christians do not apostatize. Those who fall away into apostasy demonstrate that their faith was never real to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Now where do you place yourself? Because the definition sticks

Kontinue

@blue
ha ha, talking about hypocrisy, the jehovahs witness sect is full of it
take a look at jozzy dum and a/c dolphinheart here:

Jozzy4:


lol, they are not of the same mind . what happen in their case is exactly like what happen to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herod and Pilate are not really friends , but they became friend because both see Jesus as a common enemy . u get the logic ,


Good work bro . thumbs up


I pray Jehovah continue to strengthen you

dolphinheart:


yo are right , thanks and amen.

johnw74:


you mean like you jozzy and you dolphin do, and are doing right now to your common enemy, bro and john

Ha ha, talking about yourself s again,

self righteous false accusing hypocrites both

johnw74:


@blue
ha ha, talking about hypocrisy, the jehovahs witness sect is full of it
take a look at jozzy dum and a/c dolphinheart here:

How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

themall:


How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

ha ha a/c mall, not only a hypocrite but lies, and a false accuser too, of course
in other words a typical antichrist jw

however I say this of you, @bold, you know the jehovahs witnesses are a sect

themall:
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phony mall, you talk about being afraid, but are afraid to say what you mean

themall:


How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

@blue
how can I be ha ha talking about hypocrisy, you say

themall:

Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical

I know you have been blinded but even so you should be able to see your hypocrisy there

blind mall, jozzy dum, lie lie dolphinheart all hypocrites as are all false jw's

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus to the pharisees of old, and the pharisee jehovahs witnesses hypocrites of today:

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

just read false jw posts, you are becoming worse and worse, just like Jesus said.

DoctorAlien:


Why are you charging me with the crime of making the Scripture appear to be lying? Have you no answer for my question?

If you don't have any answer for now, you can go and think about it.

you are trying to claim the scriptures is lying when you tried to say it said two different and opposite things.
If you believe the question you are asking, then you believe that the scriptures is lying
if you don't believe the question you are asking, then you created the question just to cause mischief.

achorladey:

It baffles me many times when response are giving to question asked and the individual asking the question can't think deep enough to decipher that the answer requested had been supplied. Isn't it simple enough. You see God = Death. Yet some believe some saw God and live. Perhaps God is the liar here.

the guy was just being mischievous, unless he is not a christian, he should not have asked those questions, trying to claim the scriptures said two opposite and different things concerning seeing God.
Some might come up with false clame that God changed and allowed humans to see him, forgetting that the scriptures says that no one has seen God at anytime.

johnw74:


antichrist dolphinheart

You don't reply to many of my posts because many of your replies are just repeated twisting-lies and confusion etc. etc.
if you wasn't so un ashameable you wouldnt post at all, ever

if you learn how to be truthful , not editing my post when replying, I will respond.
you say I repeat things , well the truth cannot change no matter the angle you attack it from, the scriptures and explanation I gave will not change, as long as you challenge them, I'll only have to show them to you again.

johnw74:
^^^ reply to above posts


lie lie dolphinheart


ha ha all that mostly repeated confusion
read your post again and see all the confusion, twisting-lying there, if that's possible for the blinded

such confusion comes from constant twisting-lying

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



I will again simply put my case, see if you can simply-honestly reply, instead of your usual many many words of confusion and lies
the reason you use many many confused words is because you don't have a true reply

Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2  The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. 

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
^^^
returns to his folly, you do that all the time lie lie, definitely talking of you




No man has seen or heard Father:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

You read those verses and still refuse to understand what it tells you because it does not support your false doctrine look at the facts in those verses you posted and the verses below
1. No one has seen God at any time- John 1:18
fact: people saw jesus, no one has seen the father.
The father is God who no one has seen.

2. The Father sent jesus, the father borne witness of jesus. Referring to the people he was talking to , they have not heard or seen the shape of the father - John 5:37
Fact: A. The father sent jesus, the scriptures Below say God sent jesus, this is more fact to show that the father is the God that sent jesus. jesus is not God that sent jesus.
1Jo 4:10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
Ga 4:4But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law,

If the scriptures tell you that the father sent jesus, jesus could tell you that his father sent him, the scriptures could tell you that God sent him, and yet you could not Decipher that the father is God that sent jesus, then falsehood had taken a firm grip of you.

Even if you do not believe those facts in (A), other facts were added for you to see.
Fact (B) father boure witness of jesus.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
Lu 9:35Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.”
2Pe 1:17For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved

I'll also advise you to go study the prophecies about jesus said by Jehovah.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Because no man has seen or heard Father, this is God the Word:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is jesus, the word of God, if they saw jesus, it means jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time. If they saw jesus, it means jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live.
so if you say jesus is God, jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live.
now you are trying to claim that jesus is Jehovah, the God almighty talking to moses about his forefathers seeing him.
It is either the word "appeared" in ex 6:3 means the forefathers saw Jehovah and lived (which goes contrary to what Jehovah himself said ), or the word does not mean they saw Jehovah.
The first one contradicts the scriptures, while the second one proves your theory that jesus is Jehovah to be false. I prefer the second one.

3. You do not understand how Jehovah acts or passes info to mankind, but I will give you some some scriptures to understand if you can
Ex 3:4When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
Ac 7:35This same Moses whom they had disowned, saying: ‘Who appointed you ruler and judge?’ is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush

Ge 16:7-11Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a spring of waters in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.
Ge 16:13Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her: “You are a God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon the one who sees me?”
read also genesis 22:1,11,12,15-18

God Almighty-Yahweh is God, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is God Almighty-Yahweh

The fact that you tried to claim that people saw jesus shows he is not God or Jehovah that no one can see.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and be the same God he was with!


The scriptures and jesus himself identifies who our God is, the one no one can see, the father , Jehovah, who he and his disciples pray to.
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF Jesus, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING Jesus, HIS SERVANT.

We also know that since jesus sits at the right hand of God, the father, jehovah, the most high God, God almighty , he cannot be the same person as the one he sits besides:
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

brocab:
There is only one bible that has Jehovah's name written all through it, that is your bible. But if you are looking for answers in the 1611-you won't find any, Iehovah is the correct English spelling in this bible. ""J" isn't used in the 1611 English version.
The KJV says Iehovah in the 1611 {Psalms 83:18}

does your bible use the word "jehovah"?
does your bible defend the use of the word Jehovah?
If your bible uses that word when translating YHWH(the tetragamaton), then it is 100% hipocrisy to accuse other translations of doing the same, no matter how many times they did it!

Please tell , Iehovah is the correct English spelling of what?. You yourself see how you continue to use your own words to expose yourself, if Iehovah is the correct English spelling of the name of God, WHY ARE YOU NOT USING IT!?

If one follows your word, one will never find the truth, you are always contradicting yourself , below is what you said about jehovah and the 1611 kjv
brocab: 12:44am On Dec 23, 2016
: A small dose of Jehovah was used not only in the KJV 1611-but it was also used in the Spanish Valera in 1602-The portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681-And German ELBERFELDER in 1871-And the American Standard version in 1901-But it appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to use "YAHWEH" Instead of Lord and Jehovah. They didn't dare to take His name in vain {Deuteronomy 5:11} You shall not take the Lord your God the name in vain, for the Lord will hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain......

I asked you a question about the 1611 kjv bible you still refuse to answer :

did not tell you to answer Luke 1:31 , look at what I asked you to do below: 
"Go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says there, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

{Isaiah 42:8 } in the 1611 version, "says I am the Lord.
{Jeremiah 23:5} No Jehovah or Iehovah in the 1611 version.
{Jeremiah 33:15-16} No Jehovah or Iehovah written in the 1611 The Lord our righteousness

You are funny, you yourself know that the translation had replaced or substituted God's name (the tetragamaton) with a title when translating it in most parts of the bible. or have your forgotten what you said about that title? Look at it again:
 brocab: 2:31pm On Dec 21, 2016
[b] The more common noun "ELOHIM" meaning "God" tenders to replace "YAHWEH" to demonstrate the universality sovereignty of Israels "God" all over the others.
At the same time the Divine name was increasingly regarded as to sacred to be uttered, it was thus [upreplaced[/u] vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word"ADONAI" {MY LORD} Which was translated to "KYNOS" {LORD} in the septuagint, the Greek work of the Old Testament.
The Masoretes, who about from the 8th to the 10th century. worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew bible, replaced the vowels of the name 'YHWH"with the vowel signs of the Hebrew word "ADONAI" {Lord editor} Or "ELOHIM" {God editor} {Thus the artificial name Jehovah} "YeHoWaH"{Emphasis ours,ed}Come in to being. Although Christian Scholars after the renaissance and the reformation periods used the term Jehovah for "YHWH" In the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form "YAHWEH" Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Alexandria in the second century, had used a form like "YAHWEH" and this pronunciation of the Telragrammation was never really lost.
Other Greek transcription also indicated that "YHWH" should be pronounced "YAHWEH"[/b]

You where desperately trying to find fault with the use of jehovah as God's name, you did not realise that you exposed yourself further, now you re defending the word"Lord" after previously admiring that it is a replacement.

you did not only make that claim, you also said the word "Lord" Is a substitute of God's name, the original name of God written down thousands of times by his faithful servants in the scriptures.
 brocab: 1:49am On Dec 27, 2016
What happened was the Jews piously substituted for the name "Y-H-V-H" The title "Ad-on-ai" "My Lord".
you speak from two sides of your mouth, please tell us ones more, is the word "Lord" God's name or a word used to replace, to substitute God's name"?

IF YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IT SHOWS HOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE!

[Dolphinheart> HOW CAN YOU READ ALL THIS PROPHECIES FROM JEHOVAH AND SAY JEHOVAH IS THE ROOT OF DAVID.
There are even more prophecies about jesus in which jehovah called jesus his servant!]

Good, go and read then and accept that jesus is a servant of jehovah, one who always does Jehovah's will!

Firstly I have never said Jehovah is the root of David? To be honest I thought Jehovah was supposed to be God-so how can you say He's the root of David.

1. Please point out where I said you said jehovah is the root of David.
moreover, if jehovah is not the root of David and the scriptures said jesus is the root of David, it means jesus is not jehovah get it!?
2. You need to show where I said jehovah is the root of David, you liar!
3. If jehovah is supposed to be God and can't be God if he is the root of David, you are innavently confirmed that the root of David cannot be God!

Unless you believe God is Jesus incarnated..

no I don't believe

{Isaiah 11:1-3, 53:2} I can't find the Jehovah nor Iehovah written in the 1611 version.
{Revelation 5:5, 22:16} Nothing in the 1611 is written Jehovah or Iehovah.
I really don't know, in what way are you trying to prove your point

quote what those translations say in that verse, then go check the manuscripts to see if they are correct. After doing that, you will (1)understand my points and (2)see the words that where substituted!

[Dolphinheart The questions one needs to ask you is . where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?]

I asked you those questions, but you refuse to answer.

I wish you would make up your mind? Is God's name Jehovah or not

Your question will be only relevant if I've ever given you more than one name as God's name.
The scriptures and I say that God's name is jehovah(In english).

Firstly you ask me where Abram built an Alter, and I gave you the scripture {Genesis 13:4 and now I am adding Genesis 22:14}
And with a slight twist, and a little trickery, you are now asking me where "Abraham built an image?

I DO HOPE FOR THE DAY YOU WILL STOP LYING
 On Dec 27, 2016, I asked you about the image.
The questions one needs to ask you is 
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

now please show me where I asked you about the alter that Abraham built before that date, if you refuse to do so, it shows you are a lair!

up till today, you still refuse to answer the question.

Abram built an Alter-naming it Jehovahjireh.

go back and read the scriptures again. Abram did not name the alter Jehovahjireh, he named the place where he sacrificed the ram, not the altar.
With the scriptures you mentioned, it is seen that neither the altar or the place was named "jehovah" , jehovah and jehovahjireh are two different words, with different meaning. furthermore you are expanding the use of the word "jehovah" as part of other Hebrew words more and more, yet you claim the word is not correct.

But really Dolphinheart-all you need to do is read the bible yourself-no-one is interested in your trick questions.
Every Image that's made are some sort of Structure-are we not made in the image of God.

You could not answer simple questions cus it exposes you. calling it trick questions.

You ask did Abraham use this place of worship-I think you should be reading your bible and see it for yourself-if Abraham had built an image.

stop lying brocab, the question was : did Abraham build an image for worship?, let's hope you will answer!

brocab:
I find you quite strange at times Dolphinheart, listen I do realise you don't read the scriptures, as much as you would like too, but there has to be a fine line somewhere between us, about your silly demands.
Where else do the prophets retrieve Prophesies such as these from, the Lord speaks through the prophets, These are signs and wonders God had given to His people to spread the good news around the neighbourhood.
Everything lined up about the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament-and everything in the New Testament lines up about Jesus once more.

brocab, tell us about the prophecy of Isaiah
what was the background to the prophecy?
what caused isaiah to give that prophecy?
who was isaiah directing the prophecy to?
was the prophecy fulfilled in Isaiahs time?

though I know you will not answer those questions, but I know others will examine them and come to a better knowledge about that prophecy and it's fulfillment.

johnw74:


@blue
how can I be ha ha talking about hypocrisy, you say



I know you have been blinded but even so you should be able to see your hypocrisy there

blind mall, jozzy dum, lie lie dolphinheart all hypocrites as are all false jw's

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus to the pharisees of old, and the pharisee jehovahs witnesses hypocrites of today:

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

just read false jw posts, you are becoming worse and worse, just like Jesus said.

Dear judge Moses, please you can make contact with:

Africa Centre for Theological Studies (ACTS)
Address: No. 3 Ike Asogwa Street, off Faramobi Ajike Street, Anthony,
Lagos
Phone: 0803 334 3922

Rhema Bible Training Centre
Address: 10, Mediterranean Close Maitama, Abuja
Phone: +234 08076 576 163

Gospel Apostolic Church Bible College
Address:46/48 Ayodele Okeowo Street
Soluyi Gbagada, Lagos
Phone: +234-1774-6572

johnw74:
ha ha a/c mall, not only a hypocrite but lies, and a false accuser too, of course
in other words a typical antichrist jw however I say this of you, @bold, you know the jehovahs witnesses are a sect

DOA
DOA
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DOA

johnw74:

@blue
ha ha, talking about hypocrisy, the jehovahs witness sect is full of it
take a look at jozzy dum and a/c dolphinheart here:

Dear Apostate @johnw74, please add my fellow to your present list:
Pastor D.K. Olukoya, the founder of Mountain of Fire Ministries, has stated that he and his church members don’t celebrate Christmas.

According to Olukoya, the church doesn’t celebrate it because the roots are “demonic.”

He however blasted men of God who hide under the umbrella of being cleric to “mesmerise” their “habitual gullible followers.”

He said: “Many a Nigerian pastor swathes himself in that rapacious cloak even as it evolves into an iron cage from which he mesmerizes his habitually-gullible followers, leading them on by a leash, into his iron cage. “It is on scriptural records that Jesus Christ, when winding up his mission of salvation about two thousand years ago, expressed his ambivalence about finding faith in the world when he returns. “He must have seen with precision the impending decadence awaiting Christendom after his departure.”

Please come up with the usual.....

Any jw here?

themall:


Dear judge Moses, please you can make contact with:

Africa Centre for Theological Studies (ACTS)
Address: No. 3 Ike Asogwa Street, off Faramobi Ajike Street, Anthony,
Lagos
Phone: 0803 334 3922

Rhema Bible Training Centre
Address: 10, Mediterranean Close Maitama, Abuja
Phone: +234 08076 576 163

Gospel Apostolic Church Bible College
Address:46/48 Ayodele Okeowo Street
Soluyi Gbagada, Lagos
Phone: +234-1774-6572

dum mall, if you talk like a false jehovahs witness, then you are a false jehovahs witness
whether you belong to their sect or not
you have all their traits: lying, false accusing,
confusion, hypocrisy, and your list goes on

It's good that you know they are a sect though, now take a look at yourself

themall:

DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA

again, no courage to reply to post

themall:


Dear Apostate @johnw74, please add my fellow to your present list:
Pastor D.K. Olukoya, the founder of Mountain of Fire Ministries, has stated that he and his church members don’t celebrate Christmas

According to Olukoya, the church doesn’t celebrate it because the roots are “demonic.”

He however blasted men of God who hide under the umbrella of being cleric to “mesmerise” their “habitual gullible followers.”

He said: “Many a Nigerian pastor swathes himself in that rapacious cloak even as it evolves into an iron cage from which he mesmerizes his habitually-gullible followers, leading them on by a leash, into his iron cage. “It is on scriptural records that Jesus Christ, when winding up his mission of salvation about two thousand years ago, expressed his ambivalence about finding faith in the world when he returns. “He must have seen with precision the impending decadence awaiting Christendom after his departure.”

Please come up with the usual.....

just like the false jw's sect you also follow men, and believe what they tell you
you are just like false jw, and are a false jw

we Christians follow the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ


@blue, have never fallen away from the Christian faith
but satans followers love to lie,
now you see the false accusing charge is true



@green, someone been talking about Christmas?
now you can see the confusion charge is true


@red, yes of course I will continue to speak truly
and you will continue to speak rot

themall:


How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

@blue
how can I be ha ha talking about hypocrisy, you say

themall:

Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical

such a false jw, satans church hypocrite
now you can see the hypocrite charge is true

you false jw mall, are such a false accusing antichrist
and to you like to all false jw's, speaking lies is speaking naturally.

Kontinue, as you like to say

dolphinheart:


if you learn how to be truthful , not editing my post when replying, I will respond.
you say I repeat things , well the truth cannot change no matter the angle you attack it from, the scriptures and explanation I gave will not change, as long as you challenge them, I'll only have to show them to you again.

ha ha antichrist dolphinheart talking about being truthful

of course there is nothing wrong with the scriptures, except some from the NWT
but you don't understand or believe many scriptures is obvious, you think the Word is "a god"
for one

and it's your confusion and lies that you repeat over and over again

dolphinheart:

You read those verses and still refuse to understand what it tells you because it does not support your false doctrine look at the facts in those verses you posted and the verses below
1. No one has seen God at any time- John 1:18
fact: people saw jesus, no one has seen the father.
The father is God who no one has seen.

2. The Father sent jesus, the father borne witness of jesus. Referring to the people he was talking to , they have not heard or seen the shape of the father - John 5:37
Fact: A. The father sent jesus, the scriptures Below say God sent jesus, this is more fact to show that the father is the God that sent jesus. jesus is not God that sent jesus.
1Jo 4:10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
Ga 4:4But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law,

If the scriptures tell you that the father sent jesus, jesus could tell you that his father sent him, the scriptures could tell you that God sent him, and yet you could not Decipher that the father is God that sent jesus, then falsehood had taken a firm grip of you.

Even if you do not believe those facts in (A), other facts were added for you to see.
Fact (B) father boure witness of jesus.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
Lu 9:35Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.”
2Pe 1:17For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved

I'll also advise you to go study the prophecies about jesus said by Jehovah.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.


I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is jesus, the word of God, if they saw jesus, it means jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time. If they saw jesus, it means jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live.
so if you say jesus is God, jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live.
now you are trying to claim that jesus is Jehovah, the God almighty talking to moses about his forefathers seeing him.
It is either the word "appeared" in ex 6:3 means the forefathers saw Jehovah and lived (which goes contrary to what Jehovah himself said ), or the word does not mean they saw Jehovah.
The first one contradicts the scriptures, while the second one proves your theory that jesus is Jehovah to be false. I prefer the second one.

3. You do not understand how Jehovah acts or passes info to mankind, but I will give you some some scriptures to understand if you can
Ex 3:4When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
Ac 7:35This same Moses whom they had disowned, saying: ‘Who appointed you ruler and judge?’ is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush

Ge 16:7-11Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a spring of waters in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.
Ge 16:13Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her: “You are a God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon the one who sees me?”
read also genesis 22:1,11,12,15-18


The fact that you tried to claim that people saw jesus shows he is not God or Jehovah that no one can see.


Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and be the same God he was with!


The scriptures and jesus himself identifies who our God is, the one no one can see, the father , Jehovah, who he and his disciples pray to.
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF Jesus, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING Jesus, HIS SERVANT.

We also know that since jesus sits at the right hand of God, the father, jehovah, the most high God, God almighty , he cannot be the same person as the one he sits besides:
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

So no you cannot simply-honestly reply to just a few scriptures,
you have to resort to your very many words of confusion rather than agree to the truth
but that's antichrists for you.

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness

Pro_26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.


No man has seen the Father, scriptures given
and so it's the Word speaking in posted OT verses

so simple but you antichrist dolphinheart of course cannot admit it and uses many words to twist-lie

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.
vvv

johnw74:




I will again simply put my case, see if you can simply-honestly reply, instead of your usual many many words of confusion and lies
the reason you use many many confused words is because you don't have a true reply

Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2  The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. 

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
^^^
returns to his folly, you do that all the time lie lie, definitely talking of you




No man has seen or heard Father:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Because no man has seen or heard Father, this is God the Word:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


God Almighty-Yahweh is God, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is God Almighty-Yahweh

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

dolphinheart:

You read those verses and still refuse to understand what it tells you because it does not support your false doctrine look at the facts in those verses you posted and the verses below
1. No one has seen God at any time- John 1:18

ha ha, lie lie and false accuser dolphinheart

John 1:18 is referring to the Father, not to the Word, and not to both the Father and the Word, oh great twister-lie lie
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

dolphinheart:

I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is jesus, the word of God, if they saw jesus, it means jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time If they saw jesus, it means jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live.
so if you say jesus is God, jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live.

ha, your twisting -lying and confusion is unbelievable,
but not really, your confusion comes from lying

no man has seen the Father at any time, is what is said and what is implied in the scriptures, but keep twisting-lying, oh lying one


God, is Yahweh
God, is God and the Word
God, is Yahweh, the Word, is Yahweh
no man has seen Father
it is not, no man has seen the Word




not believing the Bible and changing it leads to such continual confusion,
doesn't it a/c dolphinheart


lie lie confused dolphinheart

I left out most of your post because it's even more confused than the parts I quoted,

themall:


Dear Apostate @johnw74, please add my fellow to your present list:
Pastor D.K. Olukoya, the founder of Mountain of Fire Ministries, has stated that he and his church members don’t celebrate Christmas.

According to Olukoya, the church doesn’t celebrate it because the roots are “demonic.”

mall, oh confused one, I haven't discussed Pastor D.K. Olukoya, or Mountain of Fire Ministries,
or Christmas, here, or on another thread

I recall saying to bro:
"just about anytime is good to celebrate Jesus birth", and I believe it.

and I understand how antichrists like you don't believe it's good to celebrate Jesus birth.



As far as Christmas and 25th dec. goes, I don't know the date of Jesus birth
and a fat man in a red costume has nothing to do with Jesus birth

but celebrating Jesus birth, I sure would, at anytime, unlike you antichrists

lie lie dolphinheart

These verses are clearly saying and referring to the Father as never been seen by man:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Clearly saying Father:
Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Clearly saying Father:
Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.




Because no man has seen or heard Father, this verse is obviously God the Word who appeared and spoke:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.



God Almighty-Yahweh, is God, God and the Word is God, the above verse is obviously not Father, but is of course the Word of God.


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one.

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God with us).

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

In those two verses Father calls Jesus God twice, but because Father also said that He is the God of Jesus,
false jw say that Jesus cannot be God. And so false jw because they have no understanding of things of the Spirit, as good as call Father God a liar.


 
and all you can do antichrist dolphinheart is change-twist-lie about what the scriptures clearly say.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does this mean you are running out of things to say, I have already explained Isaiah's Prophecy, and why was it prophesied.
Maybe if you had just paid a little attention in the first place, and stop playing the dummy, we could have stepped up a little, and continualed on the next paragraph in the bible.
You may believe your comrades are laughing with you-but I assure you Dolphinheart-they are laughing against you.
After speaking with many JW's and showed them your pages-none of them agree you even come close in knowing the word of God.
Many of them said you are a try hard without any knowledge-until you believe in any of the truth-all I can say is this.
{Matthew 10:14} And whoever shall not receive you, nor Hear your words, when you depart from Dolphinhearts page, shake the dust of your feet. {And of course run.}

dolphinheart:


brocab, tell us about the prophecy of Isaiah
what was the background to the prophecy?
what caused isaiah to give that prophecy?
who was isaiah directing the prophecy to?
was the prophecy fulfilled in Isaiahs time?

though I know you will not answer those questions, but I know others will examine them and come to a better knowledge about that prophecy and it's fulfillment.

johnw74:
As far as Christmas and 25th dec. goes, I don't know the date of Jesus birth
and a fat man in a red costume has nothing to do with Jesus birth but celebrating Jesus birth, I sure would, at anytime, unlike you antichrists

Going back into history, celebrating Christmas violates at least the First, Second and Third Commandments of God's Ten Commandments. Observing a pagan holiday is a sin. God condemns the worship of pagan gods. The Bible does not command people to observe the birth of Christ as a holiday, except if the antichrist decided otherwise

Jesus was born around the time of year the sheep gave birth, in the warmer months in Israel lambs were born around Mar-Apl. Dec is just another day.
Christmas-birthday's or Easter is about "giving" and Jesus is also about "Giving"
Who cares what day we give-everyday is a great day-Jesus gave for all to receive. It is either in the warmer months or the colder months-or the lukewarm months-this is the day "Jesus gave" we ourselves should all remember.

johnw74:


mall, oh confused one, I haven't discussed Pastor D.K. Olukoya, or Mountain of Fire Ministries,
or Christmas, here, or on another thread

I recall saying to bro:
"just about anytime is good to celebrate Jesus birth", and I believe it.

and I understand how antichrists like you don't believe it's good to celebrate Jesus birth.



As far as Christmas and 25th dec. goes, I don't know the date of Jesus birth
and a fat man in a red costume has nothing to do with Jesus birth

but celebrating Jesus birth, I sure would, at anytime, unlike you antichrists

Any time you quote me, and you edit my words, I will not respond, that's what I did for your previous posts before this one.
I will not go down to that debased level with you.

johnw74:

lie lie dolphinheart

These verses are clearly saying and referring to the Father as never been seen by man:

what the the scriptures say, did the verse say no one has seen the father at anytime? no
the scriptures was specific, it said no one has seen God at any time. It is now left for you to understand who God is. If you say God is the father, then you are right , jesus, the disciples and the scriptures in general say that God is the father, the father of jesus and our father who resides in the heavens.
King James Version
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
King James Version
1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

The scriptures say no one has seen God AT ANY TIME, since people had seen jesus, it simply means that jesus is not God.

so who is God that people has not seen, he is the father, our father, the father of jesus Christ, our God, JEHOVAH
has anyone seen the father? no
has anyone seen JEHOVAH? no
has anyone seen God? no

1. To confirm that God is the father , examine what the scriptures say about who sent jesus to the earth
King James Version
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins
The "he" underlined above is God, the he underlined above is the father!

[b]Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.
ing James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.[/color]

THE FOLLOWING ARE FACTS FROM THOSE SCRIPTURES ABOVE
A. God sent jesus: we know that no verses says God sent God, no verse says God sent himself, so we know that jesus is not God that sent him.

B. The father sent jesus: since we know that the scriptures say that God sent jesus and also say that the father sent jesus(the scriptures does not lie), the only reasonable thing to believe is that God is the father. no one else is God with him.
This believe aligns with the fact that no one has seen God, and no one has seen the father!

2. To confirm that God is JEHOVAH, The father we look at the following scriptures

Ex 33:20But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
JEHOVAH says no one can see him and live, the scriptures say no one has seen God at any time, it also says no one has seen the father. A sincere mind will agree that JEHOVAH, the father, God are the same person.
JEHOVAH sent his servant who we know to be jesus, God sent his son who we know to be jesus , the father sent his son into the world, you read all this fact and our still don't know who God is.

who God is is cemented if you add other facts from the scriptures:
[b]2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,[/b]

NO DERIVED ANALOGY CAN ALTER WHAT THIS SCRIPTURES TEACHES.

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Good you know who God is, he is the father who no one has seen!

Clearly saying Father:
Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Another confirmation that God is the father, the God of jesus, our God, the almighty who no one has seen. He sent jesus as his representative, people saw and heard jesus.

Clearly saying Father:
Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

No one has seen the father , no one has seen God, no one has seen JEHOVAH, jesus does no fulfil any of the three, jesus is not JEHOVAH, not God and not the father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

The father is our God, just as the the scriptures stated.

Because no man has seen or heard Father, this verse is obviously God the Word who appeared and spoke:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

I will post what I told you earlier .

I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong 
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is Jesus, the word of God, if they saw Jesus, it means Jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time. If they saw Jesus, it means Jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live. 
so if you say Jesus is God, Jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live. 
now you are trying to claim that Jesus is Jehovah, the God almighty talking to moses about his forefathers seeing him.
It is either the word "appeared" in ex 6:3 means the forefathers saw Jehovah and lived (which goes contrary to what Jehovah himself said ), or the word does not mean they saw Jehovah.
The first one contradicts the scriptures, while the second one proves your theory that Jesus is Jehovah to be false. I prefer the second one. 

3. You do not understand how Jehovah acts or passes info to mankind, but I will give you some some scriptures to understand if you can 
Ex 3:4When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
Ac 7:35This same Moses whom they had disowned, saying: ‘Who appointed you ruler and judge?’ is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush

Ge 16:7-11Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a spring of waters in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.
Ge 16:13Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her: “You are a God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon the one who sees me?”
read also genesis 22:1,11,12,15-18

God Almighty-Yahweh, is God, God and the Word is God, the above verse is obviously not Father, but is of course the Word of God.

one question (though I know your false believes will not allow you answer): 1.are you saying those forefathers saw almighty God.
2, are you saying they saw jesus.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and be the same God he was with.

Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one.

so will jesus disciples be one with jesus and the father, just as jesus is one with His father, it does not mean they will all be one God, or one person.
We know that the father is greater than jesus , and the head of jesus is God.

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Thomas made an exclamation, if you think Thomas answered a question plus tell us the question.

Thomas, like the rest of the disciples know who jesus is:
King James Version
Mt 16:15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
King James Version
Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God
King James Version
Joh 11:27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

the disciples know who their God is
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

THIS FACTS ABOVE IS WHAT THEY EMPHASISED, PREACHED AND TEACHED THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFE'S.

Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God with us).

yep, his name is Immanuel, Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean the person bearing that name is God, just like it does not mean that the person bearing eliathah or elihu is God.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

yes, jesus is a mighty god, but he is not almighty God. The scriptures shows he has a God who is superior to him, who is called God almighty , who he is subjected to.

Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Php 2:6who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
jesus, unlike you, and even though existing in God's form, did not think of being equal to God, he knew that God is superior to him and he remained humble, this is what the apostle was teaching us. The scriptures teaches us that jesus remain subjected to God who made him his heir and exalted him.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

hope you read verse 10 which shows that the person talking in verse 8 and 9 is God to jesus, a superior God. who jesus is subjected to , who jesus calls my God

In those two verses Father calls Jesus God twice, but because Father also said that He is the God of Jesus,
false jw say that Jesus cannot be God. And so false jw because they have no understanding of things of the Spirit, as good as call Father God a liar

I once taught you how to understand that verse
John is a manager
Peter is a manager
John is manager to Peter despite Peter being a manager
Peter is not equal manager to John
Peter is not John's manager
John can call Peter manager but not my manager
Peter can call John manager and my manager.

 

and all you can do antichrist dolphinheart is change-twist-lie about what the scriptures clearly say.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

so try and make sure you get into the book of life.

brocab:
Does this mean you are running out of things to say, I have already explained Isaiah's Prophecy, and why was it prophesied.

You are the biggest liar I've ever met, just because you don't want to talk about that prophecy which spans more than one verse, you had to lie.

Maybe if you had just paid a little attention in the first place, and stop playing the dummy, we could have stepped up a little, and continualed on the next paragraph in the bible.
You may believe your comrades are laughing with you-but I assure you Dolphinheart-they are laughing against you.

Your thoughts are running wild again, thinking someone is laughing.

After speaking with many JW's and showed them your pages-none of them agree you even come close in knowing the word of God.

You are quick to make statements that cannot be verified, probably because it's a lie.

Many of them said you are a try hard without any knowledge-until you believe in any of the truth-all I can say is this.
{Matthew 10:14} And whoever shall not receive you, nor Hear your words, when you depart from Dolphinhearts page, shake the dust of your feet. {And of course run.}

You will do anything so as not to tell us about that that prophecy, what Isaiah said and why he said it.