Is the bible the reason why most Christians don't reason rationally anymore?I choose not to believe it is. Earlier,i read how christains were happy about the sack of Mr Jim Obazee,the former FRC Boss and sided with Pastor Adeboye in his rantings about how government is meddling in the church's affair.
It is well known that an average Nigerian pentecostal church is next to a business venture. The church's are supposed to be a non profit organisation,but then you build universities,hospitals,halls etc for the aim of making profits and you still frown at guys like mr Obazee when he comes collecting taxes and demanding to see your account books. Our church's believe they shouldn't be regulated because these profit generating ventures are owned by and for God. What God? Is it the same God that advised us to pay taxes to Caesar? If it's that same God,then I must say that these pentecostal churches are truly on a path that is alien to God's word. Jesus never owned any businesses yet he paid taxes.
Would it be nice for a Dangote to build a mosque and register all his companies under his mosque as as way of avoiding taxes and prevent the government from looking at his financial books. It sure wouldn't be nice. If this is so, why then should Daddy GO rant when his business ventures are being taxed and looked into by the financial regulating body?
And to think that the government of the day sacked Jim Obazee for this points to how weak our institutions are. Institutions are made strong when driven by policies and not hiring nor firing like the kind we just saw.

And just this week my Reverend had problem with his assistant(pastor) simply because his assistant insisted they shouldn't be cooking rice, chicken and sharing money after service #Endtime

And that gives you the audacity to insult Christians?
Try to take control of your emotions.

A large majority of Nigerian Christians are as brainwashed as the Islamic extremists they so despise. Infact i always try to point that fact out to some of my family members who happen to fall within this pathetic group, that the only major difference between them and boko haram is the bomb and the dagger. Some people really enjoy being ripped off

My brother,its as if most Christians now prefer their pastors to God. It's crazy men

kropotkin2:
A large majority of Nigerian Christians are as brainwashed as the Islamic extremists they so despise. Infact i always point it out to some of my family members who happen to fall within this pathetic group that the only major difference between them and boko haram is the bomb and the dagger. Some people enjoy being ripped off

What I know is that most of these people calling themselves Shepards are actually business men, defrauding people , claiming to work for God whereas they are serving themselves


I do not see that as a reason to insult Christians though, everyone has the right to be whatever they want to be, but more importantly not all Christians sided whoever it is you are talking about the insult should be for those siding them


Because bitter people formed boko haram does not mean all hausas are boko haram , same applies to OPC and AVENGERS


Use caution my brother

How did I insult Christians. Did I say Christians are stupid. You need to take more seriously your English lessons

psucc:
And that gives you the audacity to insult Christians?

Try to take control of your emotions.

IS BEING A MOSLEM.A REASON TO BE A TERRORIST

You are not only stupid but extremely foolish. What has Dangote got to do with this? Churches are not NGO's. Visit Israel and see why they survived, the Rabbi's are not treated with ignominy. Taxing Churches, paying pension for pastors will not move Nigeria out of depression, but leaders thinking through thier policies and interfacing with the people is what will bring out of the current depression. If Government even tax those who visit thier own toilet there will be no solution.

When Jesus was about to Leave, He asked if he'll ever meet Faith in the world when He comes back. He didn't bother about meeting churches in His Second Coming because He Knew there would be abundance of auditoria, some 10Kilometer by 10 Kilometer.
To be more direct, our Churches have gone rogue. They build schools that congregants cant afford, their universities are simply out of the reach of even the middle class.
And when a person ask question, he or she is vilified and demonised.
We can chant hallelujah that the man is removed from office or that the law is suspended but are sure that God And Angels approve of how the church have become Business networks?

PatriotTemidayo:
When Jesus was about to Leave, He asked if he'll ever meet Faith in the world when He comes back. He didn't bother about meeting churches in His Second Coming because He Knew there would be abundance of auditoria, some 10Kilometer by 10 Kilometer.
To be more direct, our Churches have gone rogue. They build schools that congregants cant afford, their universities are simply out of the reach of even the middle class.
And when a person ask question, he or she is vilified and demonised.
We can chant hallelujah that the man is removed from office or that the law is suspended but are sure that God And Angels approve of how the church have become Business networks?

Exactly. Speak out against them and they threaten the wrath of God to strike you down on the say so of their Daddy GO

illuminated93:
My brother,its as if most Christians now prefer their pastors to God. It's crazy men

It's a very serious problem,reason we are still backward.I wonder where tithes are going and why church member can not afford to send their children to schools built with their tithes money
It's just sad that this clueless governmnet back down easily especially now that we need it the most

We Christians don't think dancing is haram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO9798NA7Ls

Pacem In Terris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRB8j2gxtYY

I just found out that Jesus Christ was all a lie ....
.google the word Serapis Christus to know what I mean n u will start questioning all this stupid stuff been preached by pastors. They keep defrauding the Christians because they know there is no hell n Jesus Christ was never real. All the leaders of the Church knows this . Also check out abt the council of Neciea n get emancipated... Peace!

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@list we'v got no doubts,d devil that is ur master truly exist abi I lie?so we should all just give up n follow ur master Ode!

Running204:
I just found out that Jesus Christ was all a lie ....
.google the word Serapis Christus to know what I mean n u will start questioning all this stupid stuff been preached by pastors. They keep defrauding the Christians because they know there is no hell n Jesus Christ was never real. All the leaders of the Church knows this . Also check out abt the council of Neciea n get emancipated... Peace!

Obazee only asked for a memo or gazzette from the minister in line with civil service regulations which wouldn't have taken five minutes to type and send over by email, its simply a case of witch hunting and shows the level of incompetence our ministers operate on.

How is that your problem? Did Adeboye tell you he doesn't pay tax for his university? Or Oyedepo? What exactly is your problem and why are you insulting Christians? Is it your business how we revere our G.Os?

Most of you who blast Christians for alluding too much respect to pastors are willing to die just to see messi or ronaldo. So pls shut up!

What does the topic say? Either you lack comprehension or someone did the typing for you. I choose to believe the former.

illuminated93:
How did I insult Christians. Did I say Christians are stupid. You need to take more seriously your English lessons

Don't mind the dumbo.

Okanokan:
You are not only stupid but extremely foolish. What has Dangote got to do with this? Churches are not NGO's. Visit Israel and see why they survived, the Rabbi's are not treated with ignominy. Taxing Churches, paying pension for pastors will not move Nigeria out of depression, but leaders thinking through thier policies and interfacing with the people is what will bring out of the current depression. If Government even tax those who visit thier own toilet there will be no solution.

What do people mean by church profit? Who uses the profit and what for?

PatriotTemidayo:
When Jesus was about to Leave, He asked if he'll ever meet Faith in the world when He comes back. He didn't bother about meeting churches in His Second Coming because He Knew there would be abundance of auditoria, some 10Kilometer by 10 Kilometer.
To be more direct, our Churches have gone rogue. They build schools that congregants cant afford, their universities are simply out of the reach of even the middle class.
And when a person ask question, he or she is vilified and demonised.
We can chant hallelujah that the man is removed from office or that the law is suspended but are sure that God And Angels approve of how the church have become Business networks?

Same Jesus commanded the establishment of the school and you & I know that tithes and offering aren't force down our throats. Tax is forced into the law and enforced by force yet you have taxpayers paying huge tuition fee and people don't complain. Truth is, devil is using people like you against the church.

Anyone who has followed Mr. Obazee since 2011 will acknowledge the relief brought about by his removal. People are entitled to have an opinion and this includes the few who believe Adeboye is responsible for Obazee's removal. While we don't know the real reasons for certain, I can count at least 3 incidents which can be pointed to as the reason for Jim's ouster. Either way, I'm glad. The FRC (formerly NASB) clearly exceeded its mandate under Jim and dabbled into areas it clearly had no jurisdiction over. Any student of Corporate Governance knows that you can't impose a blanket code for companies because companies come in different shapes and sizes.
We want NGOs and religious bodies to be more fiscally accountable and socially responsible, but there's already a process for that. There are procedures for that. Moreover, FRC isn't the Agency charged with making or implementing these policies. The Agency was used as a means to funnel funds from the private sector to private pockets within the FG.

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Sibrah:
What do people mean by church profit? Who uses the profit and what for? Same Jesus commanded the establishment of the school and you & I know that tithes and offering aren't force down our throats. Tax is forced into the law and enforced by force yet you have taxpayers paying huge tuition fee and people don't complain. Truth is, devil is using people like you against the church.

Sir, I don't know if you're a bonafide member of any of the top Pentecostal Churches but I think you spoke out of ignorance or sheer joke. First, I am a strong member that have a mind of my own and refused to be mind-controlled into believing that everything they do is right and from God Cuz its not true. We obey the Law of men, as if its they law Of God.
Secondly, what kinda school Did Jesus ask them to build, if truly according to you, Jesus ask them to build school (dont quote what Jesus Didn't say sir)
Thirdly, about who they use the money for, the answer is square and simple; We dont know and that is the problem. As a worker in RCCG, I know for sure that money must leave each parishes and account must be made at provincial headquarters otherwise the pastor must be queried. I also know that every new parish is only allowed to not remit for only the first 6 months (when they've not even gotten any member) and thereafter all collections, except small percentage goes to provincial headquarters. I am also aware that most people in the church, without fear or favour, are poor. They only come to churches on Sundays with flashy cloths but beneath those shinning cloths is deep hunger. Lastly, Churches will rather build world-class auditoria than help its members. They will rather build schools that are nt affordable than train the children of their congregants in school. They'll buy private jets instead of empower the widows and when people cant come to church, they call it backsliding........
These are not what Jesus Was. Jesus Preached on the mountain and yet fed the people. He didn't build a four-wall auditorium but he built men and women into strong walls that cannot be penetrated. He helped the widows and said to his disciples:
"Do not carry two coats,,,,,or two sandals",
But these days, our men of God have trailer loads of coats, and ship-filled sandals.
This is not the Gospel Jesus Preached, that's why He Asked If He'll Meet Faith When He Comes Back. Jesus Understand What You Don't understand, and please don't doubt me when I say so.

psucc:
And that gives you the audacity to insult Christians?

Try to take control of your emotions.

true talk I don't see it as insult
try to understand

PatriotTemidayo:

Sir, I don't know if you're a bonafide member of any of the top Pentecostal Churches but I think you spoke out of ignorance or sheer joke. First, I am a strong member that have a mind of my own and refused to be mind-controlled into believing that everything they do is right and from God Cuz its not true. We obey the Law of men, as if its they law Of God.
Secondly, what kinda school Did Jesus ask them to build, if truly according to you, Jesus ask them to build school (dont quote what Jesus Didn't say sir)
Thirdly, about who they use the money for, the answer is square and simple; We dont know and that is the problem. As a worker in RCCG, I know for sure that money must leave each parishes and account must be made at provincial headquarters otherwise the pastor must be queried. I also know that every new parish is only allowed to not remit for only the first 6 months (when they've not even gotten any member) and thereafter all collections, except small percentage goes to provincial headquarters. I am also aware that most people in the church, without fear or favour, are poor. They only come to churches on Sundays with flashy cloths but beneath those shinning cloths is deep hunger. Lastly, Churches will rather build world-class auditoria than help its members. They will rather build schools that are nt affordable than train the children of their congregants in school. They'll buy private jets instead of empower the widows and when people cant come to church, they call it backsliding........
These are not what Jesus Was. Jesus Preached on the mountain and yet fed the people. He didn't build a four-wall auditorium but he built men and women into strong walls that cannot be penetrated. He helped the widows and said to his disciples:
"Do not carry two coats,,,,,or two sandals",
But these days, our men of God have trailer loads of coats, and ship-filled sandals.
This is not the Gospel Jesus Preached, that's why He Asked If He'll Meet Faith When He Comes Back. Jesus Understand What You Don't understand, and please don't doubt me when I say so.

What did Jesus preach then? Stop assuming things u don't know.

mideactive:
@list we'v got no doubts,d devil that is ur master truly exist abi I lie?so we should all just give up n follow ur master Ode!

Hey fool,did I quote u before I wrote those words?or did I put a gun to ur stupid head n said u must adhere to what I said? U are the fool for not wanting to seek info for ur self. U can be an a*sslicker for all ur pastor keep telling u,I don't give a ratass....imbe*cile!

Waka pass jare,satan!

Running204:
Hey fool,did I quote u before I wrote those words?or did I put a gun to ur stupid head n said u must adhere to what I said? U are the fool for not wanting to seek info for ur self. U can be an a*sslicker for all ur pastor keep telling u,I don't give a ratass....imbe*cile!

mideactive:
Waka pass jare,satan!

Hey imbe*cile! I reckon u are one of those crook pastors that goes around telling people that if they don't give u their hard earned money,they will go to hell....that's why u frustrated abt my post . I pity ur like ....na hunger go kill u soon. Am not Satan,am a Son of God....I just stop believing in Jesus,because a lot of info has opened my eyes to his nonexistence.# Religious Freedom #

U say?ofcus u'r.ur story reminds me of d falling angel.I no u'r are a son of God,u'r d the rebellious and rejected one

Running204:
Hey imbe*cile! I reckon u are one of those crook pastors that goes around telling people that if they don't give u their hard earned money,they will go to hell....that's why u frustrated abt my post . I pity ur like ....na hunger go kill u soon. Am not Satan,am a Son of God....I just stop believing in Jesus,because a lot of info has opened my eyes to his nonexistence.# Religious Freedom #

mideactive:
U say?

garahere mehh....fu*king fool...I thought u know how to hold an argument down....u are just a nicompur!

PatriotTemidayo:

Sir, I don't know if you're a bonafide member of any of the top Pentecostal Churches but I think you spoke out of ignorance or sheer joke. First, I am a strong member that have a mind of my own and refused to be mind-controlled into believing that everything they do is right and from God Cuz its not true. We obey the Law of men, as if its they law Of God.
Secondly, what kinda school Did Jesus ask them to build, if truly according to you, Jesus ask them to build school (dont quote what Jesus Didn't say sir)
Thirdly, about who they use the money for, the answer is square and simple; We dont know and that is the problem. As a worker in RCCG, I know for sure that money must leave each parishes and account must be made at provincial headquarters otherwise the pastor must be queried. I also know that every new parish is only allowed to not remit for only the first 6 months (when they've not even gotten any member) and thereafter all collections, except small percentage goes to provincial headquarters. I am also aware that most people in the church, without fear or favour, are poor. They only come to churches on Sundays with flashy cloths but beneath those shinning cloths is deep hunger. Lastly, Churches will rather build world-class auditoria than help its members. They will rather build schools that are nt affordable than train the children of their congregants in school. They'll buy private jets instead of empower the widows and when people cant come to church, they call it backsliding........
These are not what Jesus Was. Jesus Preached on the mountain and yet fed the people. He didn't build a four-wall auditorium but he built men and women into strong walls that cannot be penetrated. He helped the widows and said to his disciples:
"Do not carry two coats,,,,,or two sandals",
But these days, our men of God have trailer loads of coats, and ship-filled sandals.
This is not the Gospel Jesus Preached, that's why He Asked If He'll Meet Faith When He Comes Back. Jesus Understand What You Don't understand, and please don't doubt me when I say so.

You've said exactly what I had in mind. I'm a Christian and the Holy Bible encourages us to be wise. The richest establishment on the earth is the Roman Catholic Church. However, credit goes to her as they have really been of immense help to their members and to other Christians. Orphanages, schools for the physically challenged, very affordable primary and secondary schools, affordable hospitals you name them. This also is being done by the Protestant Churches but our Pentecostal Churches are far from this track. All we see are expensive ventures that don't physically help our poor Christians worst still even their own members. I've always spoken openly against the system. I fear no one except God but I know it would be wrong to attack persons especially the GOs of such Churches. Now, they own private jets and all manner of Vehicles while the vast majority of their members are living in penury. The system is very bad and should be discussed. Enough of that.