jln115:

Sorry but the Mi35 doesn't come close in terms of weapon suite, Mokopa ATGM, A-Darter AAM, FZ laser guided rocket!!

Combat experience....mmm are we talking pilots or the aircraft itself?

really
you know the mi35m's weapons suite?
u heard of hermes-k ATGM with 30km range? let me be fair- the vikhr ATGM or kornet EM?
the mi35M can carry AAMs too
russian ugroza laser guidance kit can be added to dumb rockets too you know?



i was talking about the aircraft itself

jln115:

They've been in Congo since the early 2000s mate! When did Nigeria receive its first Mi24....2001?

Alright


naf got its first mi24s around the Liberian crisis

Odunayaw:
really
you know the mi35m's weapons suite?
u heard of hermes-k ATGM with 30km range? let me be fair- the vikhr ATGM or kornet EM?
the mi35M can carry AAMs too
russian ugroza laser guidance kit can be added to dumb rockets too you know?



i was talking about the aircraft itself

hermes-k is not integrated onto the MI35....so its irrelevant

Kornet range 8000m vs Mokopa 10000m
Konet penatration 1300mm RHA vs 1350mm RHA Mokopa.
Vikhr range 10000m penetration 1000mmRHA

Also there are no AAM integrated on the Mi35 so again your argument is baseless!!

Yeah FZs are dedicated Lazer guided rockets, hence they have a 6km range, not some lazer kits fitted to dumb rockets!

jln115:

hermes-k is not integrated onto the MI35....so its irrelevant

Kornet range 8000m vs Mokopa 10000m
Konet penatration 1300mm RHA vs 1350mm RHA Mokopa.
Vikhr range 10000m penetration 1000mmRHA

Also there are no AAM integrated on the Mi35 so again your argument is baseless!!

Yeah FZs are dedicated Lazer guided rockets, hence they have a 6km range, not some lazer kits fitted to dumb rockets!

kornet EM(notice the EM?) is 8000-10000

What?? if i get u correctly -AAM cant be integrated on the mi35M?

A s13 rocket with a laser guided kit reduces its range??

N.B rooivalk uses V3C darter and not A darter


still not seeing any beater o!

Odunayaw:
Alright


naf got its first mi24s around the Liberian crisis

Nope according to Sipri Nigeria received its firs mi24 in 2000!!

jln115:

Nope according to Sipri Nigeria received its firs mi24 in 2000!!

i can list a number of materiel we got without sipiri or its likes recording it

Odunayaw:
kornet EM(notice the EM?) is 8000-10000

What?? if i get u correctly -AAM cant be integrated on the mi35M?

A s13 rocket with a laser guided kit reduces its range??


still not seeing any beater o!

Kornet penetration 1300mm RHA vs Mokopa penetation 1350mm RHA

It cost millions to integrate weapon systems on to respective platforms, avionic/combat suits have to be modified and upgraded to accommodate new systems, as i said this is real life, Rooivalk is integrated with an AAM, Mi35 is not!

Not about range its about how accurate it is at range, dedicated Lazer Rocket vs Lazer kit fitted to DUMB rockets, which do you think is more accurate?

Odunayaw:
i can list a number of materiel we got without sipiri or its likes recording it

Cool story bro!!





But lets test it, you name the weapon system and ill try to find it on Sipri!!

jln115:

Kornet penetration 1300mm RHA vs Mokopa penetation 1350mm RHA

It cost millions to integrate weapon systems on to respective platforms, avionic/combat suits have to be modified and upgraded to accommodate new systems, as i said this is real life, Rooivalk is integrated with an AAM, Mi35 is not!

Not about range its about how accurate it is at range, dedicated Lazer Rocket vs Lazer kit fitted to DUMB rockets, which do you think is more accurate?

yes it costs millions(or less) to integrate (doesnt take away the fact it is integrable)

the ugroza Circular error probable(CEP) is about 0.8 to 1.8 m while the FZ claims <1m
in fact it adds a first of its kind tech -impulse steering
so u were saying?

jln115:

Cool story bro!!





But lets test it, you name the weapon system and ill try to find it on Sipri!!

i thought u'd never ask
d20 howitzer - reported as 7 yet we own 11units
apr21 howitzer -undereported
m46 arty
oto melara 105mm
if memory serves me shaldag mk3

this is but a few

Odunayaw:

yes it costs millions(or less) to integrate (doesnt take away the fact it is integrable)

the ugroza Circular error probable(CEP) is about 0.8 to 1.8 m while the FZ claims <1m
in fact it adds a first of its kind tech -impulse steering
so u were saying?

That's a ret@rded argument, if i had to dumb down that low i could also say the Rooivalk can be integrated with the hermes K.

yes <1m at 6km!!

Odunayaw:
i thought u'd never ask
d20 howitzer - reported as 7 yet we own 11units
apr21 howitzer -undereported
m46 arty
oto melara 105mm
if memory serves me shaldag mk3

this is but a few

M46 listed(also known as M82)

BM21 grand listed(APR40 and APR21)

D20 listed

oto melara listed(M-56 105mm towed gun)

Shaldag listed

All of them are there bro!!

iblawi:


If the MI-35 is meant to carry troops to battle ground then what is the use of Mi-17? We have MI-17 helicopters armed with weapons too.


When did Russia start using MI-28 and Ka-50?

Again doctrine!


Like I said APCs can only deliver troops but support them! An IFV will carry troops and support them

Even if you mount a HMG or cannon that will still be inefficient.

If the Hind design was so effective you would have seen the world developing such a helicopters with troop carrying capabilities. But from Europe, India to China attack helicopters are still taking the shape of the Cobra with a tandem cockpit and no troop carrying capabilities.

jln115:
M46 listed(also known as M82)
BM21 grand listed(APR40 and APR21)
D20 listed
oto melara listed(M-56 105mm towed gun)
Shaldag listed
All of them are there bro!!

either underreported of how many units we own or just added
meanwhile the mi35M can cary igĺa V AAM

jln115:

That's a ret@rded argument, if i had to dumb down that low i could also say the Rooivalk can be integrated with the hermes K.

yes <1m at 6km!!

retarded..sorry for you Einstein

u havent proved any thing that is a beater yet as the ugroza is 0.8-1.3m at the same range (can be mounted on as large as the 122mm s13 rocket)

MikeCZA:
Again doctrine!


Like I said APCs can only deliver troops but support them! An IFV will carry troops and support them

Even if you mount a HMG or cannon that will still be inefficient.

If the Hind design was so effective you would have seen the world developing such a helicopters with troop carrying capabilities. But from Europe, India to China attack helicopters are still taking the shape of the Cobra with a tandem cockpit and no troop carrying capabilities.

you are so adamant
the mi35M is an AH first before a troop carrier

kabe1:


More Rubbish!


The MI-24 is unofficially known as the Flying Tank, not a flying IFV.


Unlike an IFV, the MI-24 carries 8 troops as a secondary role, not a primary role. It is a gunship, an attack helicopter as it's primary role.


The MI-35 is the world's most heavily armed, most heavily armoured attack helicopter. It is a Tank killer, designed to support the SU-25 in combat.

I'm not referring to largeness of any helicopter. The stats show the MI-35m produces more power than the Rooivalk. The Rooivalk cannot magically have a better performance. You can't cheat physics.

The Rooivalk carries a weak 20mm gun with an effective range of only 2 Km. While the MI-35m carries a twin barrel 23mm with an over 5km effective firing range.


The MI-35m can also carry 16 Air-to-ground missiles. Has the latest navigational suite, target sight system, location range finder and the latest laser range finder.


The fact is, the MI-35m, MI-28NE and the Apache attack helicopters are currently by a long shot the most advanced helicopters in Africa. The Rooivalk comes in at a very distant 4th.

Again that's his a nickname!

It performs well at sea level conditions! Why do you think the Indians are pursuing that attack helicopter with better hot and high performance. It isn't cheating anything but you failing to comprehend things.

The F-2 round is 20×139mm this means the round is longer with flatter trajectory. 250m to beyond 5km.

The GSh-23 round is 23×115mm this means the round is bigger in diameter then the 20×139mm but shorter.

This F-2 has a higher muzzle velocity now explain to us! What does this mean?


The Hind makes strafing runs similar to fixed wing aircraft.

Again the missiles the helicopter carries exposes her to danger. Unlike missiles the Hellfire with enables Apache to fully take advantage of it's N.O.E capabilities.

Also explain to me what is "location range finder and the latest laser range finder"? Dude just say it you are augubugubu!

Odunayaw:
you are so adamant the mi35M is an AH first before a troop carrier

Citation please!

Odunayaw:
really
you know the mi35m's weapons suite?
u heard of hermes-k ATGM with 30km range? let me be fair- the vikhr ATGM or kornet EM?
the mi35M can carry AAMs too
russian ugroza laser guidance kit can be added to dumb rockets too you know?



i was talking about the aircraft itself

Hermes-k is carried by KA-52k.

List weapon intergrated on the Mi-35M hind E!

tdayof:


Ceiling
SU 27: 62,523 ft
SU30: 56,800 ft
Mitsibuishi F-2: 59,000 ft
Rafale:50,000 ft

Climb rate:
SU 27: 59,000 ft/min
SU 30: 45,275 ft/min
F-2: 48,000 FT/min
rafale:60,000ft/min
Range
Su27: 3,530 km
su 30: 3,000km
f2: 4,000km
rafale: 3,700km


If you can justify rooivalk to be the best AH in terms of performance with the above, then the SU27 is the king among the above aircrafts.

Lemons and apples!

Ask Nemesis why India loves the Cheetah helicopter!

MikeCZA:
Citation please!

Give me 2 I will give you five.

tdayof:
Give me 2 I will give you five.

You can't provide them.
moving along!

MikeCZA:
You can't provide them.

moving along!

Don't chicken out.

Odunayaw:
retarded..sorry for you Einstein

u havent proved any thing that is a beater yet as the ugroza is 0.8-1.3m at the same range (can be mounted on as large as the 122mm s13 rocket)

O.8-1.3m vs <1m I'll take <1m

Odunayaw:
either underreported of how many units we own or just added

meanwhile the mi35M can cary igĺa V AAM

Nope numbers are exactly how many you have.

Took you long enought , so how does the igla compare to the a-darter 5th gen aam?.....this is a rhetorically question as the tow cannot be compared!

jln115:

They've been in Congo since the early 2000s mate! When did Nigeria receive its first Mi24....2001?

lie from the devils chambers.
have shame at least once.

giles14:
lie from the devils chambers.
have shame at least once.

Why would I lie, when the truth hurts more?

jln115:
Why would I lie, when the truth hurts more?

what truth?

jln115:

hermes-k is not integrated onto the MI35....so its irrelevant

Kornet range 8000m vs Mokopa 10000m
Konet penatration 1300mm RHA vs 1350mm RHA Mokopa.
Vikhr range 10000m penetration 1000mmRHA

Also there are no AAM integrated on the Mi35 so again your argument is baseless!!

Yeah FZs are dedicated Lazer guided rockets, hence they have a 6km range, not some lazer kits fitted to dumb rockets!

The same Mokopa that missed target at 8000m?

Your weapons are overrated.

MikeCZA:
Again doctrine!


Like I said APCs can only deliver troops but support them! An IFV will carry troops and support them

Even if you mount a HMG or cannon that will still be inefficient.

If the Hind design was so effective you would have seen the world developing such a helicopters with troop carrying capabilities. But from Europe, India to China attack helicopters are still taking the shape of the Cobra with a tandem cockpit and no troop carrying capabilities.

Is this for carrying troops?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY5Sb674VQ

jln115:

Nope according to Sipri Nigeria received its firs mi24 in 2000!!

I'm not trying to get in on the argument, Eastern European pilots were already living at 97SOG and flying Hinds before 2000

iblawi:


The same Mokopa that missed target at 8000m?

Your weapons are overrated.

Fired by the Rooivalk, designated by a totally different platform(Hawk LIFT) and it just barely missed.....fvcking impressive, if you understand the integration needed to pull something of like that!