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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:46am On Jan 10, 2017 |
M14A1:Thank you for proving my point! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:49am On Jan 10, 2017 |
giles14:The one you're in denial of! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by BlackBaron: 12:01pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Let's not be disingenuous here. The Mi 35 is an attack helicopter quite alright but it is not the most specialised AH compared to others. It is different that while it is an attack helicopter, it can also perform additional duties of troop transport in tandem with attack abilities. If for purely attack reasons, the specs on Rooivalk might just edge out Mi 35. For others, the absence of additional capabilities for Rooivalk outside of attack may mean its not the best. Either way, both are able to do one thing well. They can rip to shreds enemy troops when they are called in. 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:10pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
MikeCZA:this is ur last defence eh? Mike drink some water! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:12pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
MikeCZA:Ataka ATGM/Kornet-EM/Vishk igla V AAM s5,s8,s13 rockets (with ugroza laser kit) you were saying? 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:13pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:holy sh1t jock!!! this is maths! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:17pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:again the A-darter is a planned upgrade for rooivalk mk2 And hell the igla V roasts things I am surprised u r concerned abt AAM...helos now hunt rebels flying spirits? 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:22pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
BlackBaron:Apparently some blokes can't just cope with the fact that a multitasking AH is a shade away from the rooivalk in performance sh1t may get to d point they start calling it a "bus" cuz it has windows to d side 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:37pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:A-Darter is already integrated with the current mk1F baseline.....and having a AAM is an added advantage.....just like carrying troops is an added advantage for the Mi35 apparently according to you guys. Igla V sucks d1ck compared to the A-Darter |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:40pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:1.3m > 1m 0,8+1.3/2= 1.05m 1.05m>1m 0.8m=<1m (<1m could possibly be much less than 0.8m) thus <1m is better than 0.8-1.3m.....have i dumbed down enough for you to understand? Lastly the FZs <1m CEP is for targets at 6km either stationary or moving up to 60kmph |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:42pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:All inferior to the Mokopa,ingwe,A-Darter and FZ guided rockets |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:49pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:now tell me something Jock in simple maths .05m isnt negligible? u deserve a medal to be honest much less than 0.8m for a laser guided weapon...lord the horror!! 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:50pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:u sound like a chorister with catarrh! show me citations for the AAM on the mk1F and who made the Igla V suck...SAAF? don't get emotional on me now 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by lionel4power(m): 1:51pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
nemesis2u:friends today. . . foes tomorrow. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 1:56pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:first I proved the kornet EM reaches 10km.....so please what inferiority? Ingwe?..get the hell outta here! what imaginary A-darter? u haven't proved the FZ is better than the Ugroza ur rooivalk needs more steroids to dick contest with the Mi35m(which is supposedly a troop carrier/IFV by ur compatriot) if at all anything intrigues me on the rooivalk it is the HMDS all others of its component are normal characteristics of modern AH 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:-less penetration than Mokopa - was compering the ingwe to the ataka -this one: refer to pic -<1m cep at 6km against a moving target proves otherwise
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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by iblawi(m): 2:11pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Why is jln115 so disturbed about AAM on AH? That's just for self defense. SU24 COULDN'T DEFEND ITSELF FROM F16 while taking out terrorist, so how would Rooivalk defend itself with Mokopa that can hit target at 8km. The main roles of attack helicopter in today's warfare is to provide support for ground troops and to be tank killers. Other roles are secondary to AH. 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:12pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:...how about photographic evidence?
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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:14pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
iblawi:i would like to respond to this post but i can't dumb down to your level because im scared of heights! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 2:15pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:-50mm less penetration -for what is worth what is in that pic can be a dummy - <1.05m CEP at 4-6km against a moving target(before u decide to go ape shit...read about impulse steering of the ugroza) added bonus... the FZ is standard 70mm..while the ugroza can be added to as heavy as 120mm rockets look...probably yu r getting me wrong I will never contest the RAW performance of the Rooivalk...but every thing else there simply isn't anything better also...u forget the price comparison the Mi35m is a winner in Africa 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:20pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:50mm=5cm do you know how thick 5cm RHA actually is Why would i reed about it if you just proved the FZ is more accurate? fair point yet with the added weight of the 120mm you could just as well ditch it and carry more ATGMs RAW preformance AND the weapons suite yes Mi35 is cheap i agree! hence the whole of 3rd world Africa uses them! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 2:28pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:at 1300mm most vehicles are already high up in vahala dude ... ".05m" is negligible considering blast radius of the warhead a 120mm would always be cheaper than an ATGM weapons suite lord!! it should be Mi35M is cost effective and good enough for Africa and even countries like Brazil(whose terrain naturally the rooivalk shld b suited to) It just absurd when y'all use cheap to connote poor/less efficient if the rooivalk @ $40m is struggling to best a $8mil or so Mi35M ..isn't that enough to bring tears to ones eyes? 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by iblawi(m): 2:38pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115: In modern warfare do helicopters dogfight? No They mainly takeout targets and provide support for ground troops. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:51pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:5cm can mean the difference between taking out a tank or not, especially if we are talking,Abrams m1a2sep, leo2A7, T14 ect ect Cheaper, yes but at the same weight with much less penetration i don't see much use for it, you can get the same done with 70mm rockets which weigh half! It is less effective bro regardless if its cheap or not, Rooivalk was developed over 20 years specifically to be unmatched in hot and high conditions, avionics suite as it is, is modern enough to put it up in the top 5 AH in the world, the rooivalk MK2 would possibly unseat the Apache as the ultimate AH in the world. If you did your research you would know the $40million includes all research and development costs, and if you know the basics of cost accounting you would know research cost can never be capitalized to assets and development cost will never be capitalized either except when it meats the 6 criteria for it to be capitalized, thus most of the $40mil is pure expenses and not the actual cost of the unit. theoretically the Rooivalk would cost around $20mil. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:51pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
iblawi:yeah bro i know! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:56pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
kabe1: i am not here to prove anything ........ everybody has a brain so he/she is free to analyze it as he/she deems fit. ******************* associated with MI35 helicopter long before u even heard of it ......... ( the indo-Israeli upgrade which later the Russians themselves emulated to some extent ) every weapon system has its positive points and negative points which fanboys/internet warriors etc dont seem to realize. u very find my description very hilarious , very good but in real life the joke is on you. When the Russian Sukhoi Su-24 "Fencer" bomber was shot down in Syria. The Russians sent in an MI-8 to retrieve the pilots and an MI-24 for escort/cover/scout in a contested hostile airspace. Again, this scenario blows away your assertions. google , youtube , news-sites , blogs opinions seem to the source of ur assertions . but how about being realistic and using real life assertions for a change. 1st it must have never crossed ur mind that when an aircrew is shot down over hostile territory , the escape window of the downed crew closes very fast . 2nd it must have never crossed ur mind that u need to have the requisite assets available on call in that sector/area of operations to under take CSAR operations. time and requisite assets availability is the critical factor here , and the Russians went for the MI8 MI24 combo because these assets were available on call in that sector/area of operations in minimum time . the CSAR mission head deemed that the assets were adequate to handle the threats present in the extraction zone as per their intelligence inputs, and so the the MI8 MI24 combo was sent in at the earliest without losing time and at the same time without endangering the extraction team . the above though must have never cross ur mind ........ to tell the truth i dont care , everybody is free to believe what he/she wants The Conflict in Syria simply proves otherwise. The MI-35 carries out most of the combat sorties in an active combat zone with enemies known to possess Manpads. really how many tours did u do there , the authority and conviction with which who wrote this , u must be CIA OR FSB OR MOSSAD OR....... which one ru ? every human being have their own personal strengths and weakness, we try to take advantage of our personal strengths and subdue/counter our weakness. same with weapons systems , operators of weapon systems r trained to used the advantages / positive strengths of a weapon system to increase the weapon system effectiveness and at the same time try to minimize / reduce the blind side / weakness of a weapon system via running beter tactics , better training etc . how difficult is it to understand this............. 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 3:10pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115: asides RAW performance there isnt simply anything the rooivalk can do that the mi35M can't the mi35M comes more armored & can carry the same panoply of weapons suite and avionics d rooivalk sports when push comes to shove...i'd cling to d rugged mi35M as i can get quantity and quality all in one plate 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 3:27pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:How can the mi35 possibly be more armored than the Rooivalk?honestly do you suck these so called facts from your thumb? how can you say something like this when you literally know nothing about the Rooivalks survivability specifications? nope as proven above you can't compare their weapons suites as one uses weapons systems that have only entered service after 2010 and the other still uses cold war era weapon systems(ex Kornet EM) cling to your Hind, but when push comes to shove the Rooivalk has proven itself much much more capable than the Hind in the DRC! |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 5:57pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
jln115:dullness! the armor of the cockpit of the mi35M is one of its legacies sh1t if u have rooivalk's survivable specs drop it and sweating!! the mi35M is cold war era??what is dz??cerebral palsy?? u r getting emotional on me now the mi35M Hind E came in the cold war? i think you are confused isnt it just plain idiocy u r sliding into now anyway..i shall hold my peace while u celebrate achievements older hinds have made 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:09pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
lionel4power: friends one hour before,........... foes one hour later and the cycle continues............ Chanakya versus Sun Tzu |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:18pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:Will post specs on the survivability of the Rooivalk in due time! But thanks for admitting you were making claims without knowing sh1t I was talking about the weapon systems dullard not the actual aircraft! |
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