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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 11:38am On Jan 11, 2017 |
So far so good, no "atheist" has been able to tell us why they cling to moral absolutes, when they can't even tell who declared them absolute. Also, no atheist has been able to tell us why the laws of logic exist, and how the laws came about, and why they use the laws of logic, how humans could possibly know about the laws and why the laws of logic are universal, binding, immaterial and unchanging. Conclusion: atheism is a very illogical and inconsistent ism? |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 11:47am On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman: Give me the king james version. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 11:48am On Jan 11, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Moral absolutes were declared by humans. Rape is wrong because it inflicts pains on the victims. Human beings have the ability to sell reflect and empathize with others, that is why over the years we evolve some moral absolutes. Morality must be learned. Even your God did not see any thing wrong with rape as he rewards rapist with their victims as marriage partners. Humans thought themselves some moral absolutes. Societies that believe in no deities thought themselves that as well. Buddhist have no deities but they have all come to see rape as a bad thing through consensus. Human beings didn't just start with believing that rape was wrong. They had to be taught that rape was wrong. The bible doesn't see rape as wrong. God told the Jews to take virgins in the lands they won over as war booty. But our morality has evolved so much that today we look at that ancient Jews and piss at their way of life. Morality is a man made concept and as such it is man that has to define it, accept it and enforce it. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 11:51am On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor: Is King James version the only English translation of the bible? I have already given you what is inside the bible. As usual I expect the normal baaa baaa baaa meh meh meh cries from you. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 11:57am On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman: Hahahaha. What stops somebody like u from interpreting the bible to suit your argument? Absolutely nothing. So give me the king james.... I am waiting |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 12:06pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor:U need king James, go and get it yourself. He already made his point, if you want to counter that point, get the verse yourself... U are just stalling in defeat 1 Like |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 12:08pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
randomperson: Hahaha. Defeat kwa. After u were shut down. He made no point. But wait, why are u scared of opening the authorized king james? That fear says it all. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 12:08pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor:Please show the bible verse that says that slavery is by agreement. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 12:09pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
randomperson:Show me the word "slavery" in the KJV bible? |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:09pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman: Humans cannot declare moral absolutes because rapists don't agree that rape is bad. I can choose to state emphatically now that rape is not bad. Just because one random individual is of the opinion that rape is bad, and then 999 999 more people coincidentally are of the same opinion does not convert what could have been a relative(desisting from rape) into an absolute. If I say that rape is not bad, and I find 2 500 752 rapists who agree with me that rape is not bad, to us(our group of human beings), rape is not bad. But then, is rape really good? |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 12:11pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Allow him to wobble. Even those atheists smarter than him dodged the question. 1 Like |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pastafarian: 12:13pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
It seems that our Christian apologists is arguing that slavery wasn't the thing that God was telling the Israelites they could partake in, but indentured servitude. I think the Bible makes it pretty clear that it actually is slavery. (I mean, "You may beat your indentured servants so long as they can get up after a couple of days" and "You may make those from foreign lands indentured servants for life" doesn't really make sense if the "indentured servants" can just quit.) I guess the point in denying that slavery was allowed by God in the Old Testament is to circumvent the realization that the Most Moral, All-Powerful and Perfect Being thought it was okay at any point in time. Our Christian apologists very well can't decry slavery (which they've made clear that they think is wrong) if God wouldn't, as they would be putting their own morality before God. So not only did God decide to allow slavery, but it is supposedly the most moral thing that could be decided , otherwise God would not have allowed it. They say that without true religion, people would do despicable things. The advocates of true religion use it to rationalize despicable things and fail to consider them to be despicable. They are mandated from above, after all. There is not one item of fact or morality or wisdom in the bible that is outside the common understanding of the humans who wrote it 2000 to 3000 years ago. Given only the knowledge of our time, and tiny amount of compassion, if you could go back 3000 years, what wisdom or knowledge would you have included? Owning people is wrong? Keeping sex slaves is wrong? Disease is caused by germs, so keep wounds clean? Earthquakes are caused by plate tectonics, not gay sex? The male not the female determines the gender of a child, so don't beat your wife to death if she produces a daughter when you want a son? The list goes on and on? Why didn't the perfect, all-knowing god mention any of these things? 2 Likes |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pastafarian: 12:16pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Exodus 12:43-45 (NRSV) 43 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance for the passover: no foreigner shall eat of it, 44 but any slave who has been purchased may eat of it after he has been circumcised; 45 no bound or hired servant may eat of it. Leviticus 22:10-11 (NRSV) 10 No lay person shall eat of the sacred donations. No bound or hired servant of the priest shall eat of the sacred donations; 11 but if a priest acquires anyone by purchase, the person may eat of them; and those that are born in his house may eat of his food. These passages show that there is a difference between someone who is hired, someone who is a bonded servant, and someone who is bought, paid for, and owned. These are laws for priests. If the Bible had a problem with people owning other people, why couldn't it at least ban the priesthood from owning slaves? 1 Like |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:17pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor: 1 Like |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 12:17pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Pastafarian: Why dont u just stick to your landlord moniker. Why are u posting with different monikers on the same thread? By the way, why are u guys scared of using the king james bible? Its just something I have noticed. Why? |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:19pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Pastafarian, please open a thread and talk about slavery in the Bible, and the morality of the Christian GOD. Don't derail this thread. Thank you. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pastafarian: 12:20pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor: can't you think a bit deeper than the shallow thinking you're doing right now? why did Jonbellion use notjonbellion? |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 12:20pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Humans have done it already. We have a few groups of people that we have chosen to serve as our law makers. Once they deliberate and make laws we have to accept them whether we agree with them or not. Once the law makers say rape is wrong it is binding on all people that live in that society. That's how all laws were made. Before the religious institutions were used to make and enforce laws, now we don't use them anymore. Discriminating against gays in the wet is an example I an think of. It is now on the same level with racism. I know many people living in the West that detest gays and will happily discriminate against them, but they can't because a few law makers sat down and made it the law that gays must be accepted and not descrininated against. Majority of the American people living in the South were totally against civil rights and equality when the civil rights act was passed into law. A few law makers passed it and it became law. Blacks had the same rights as whites despite the fact that majority of the white were totally against it. Racism open racism and segregation became a crime in the US after the civil rights law was passed by law makers including those from the south whose constitutents were against it. 2 Likes |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 12:21pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Pastafarian: Dont bring jonbellion into this. You r not him. Jonbellion shows a better sense of integrity. Yours has a foundation of falsehood. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:25pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
It's a waste of time arguing with some unintelligent people, really. How can a simple question be asked, and somebody who claims to be intellectually sound will start answering another thing? Chai! Please, before you attempt to answer my question, make sure you understand what a moral absolute is. It is not a rule enforced by man. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pastafarian: 12:26pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor:you got anything sensible to say? this is what you do when cornered |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 12:27pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Pastafarian:Believe me, he will like to think deeper but unfortunately he can't... Someone who spends so much time on nairaland and can't deduce why some people use alternative monikers |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 12:27pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
felixomor: The NLT is a recognized English translation of the bible. Keep crying. Baaa baa baa ...meh meh meh. 1 Like |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:28pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 12:28pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Who enforces rape as a rule? |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pastafarian: 12:29pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
randomperson: there's a reason Sonofluc1fer said Felixomor is proof of his god because only his god can make him cope with such a low level of intelligence 3 Likes
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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 12:30pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman:Soft work... Will just like to add, those people living in the south, that are against equality and civil rights are generally Christians. While the liberals are the least religious... Morality is not just absolute, but the one created by religion is backward 1 Like |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pastafarian: 12:31pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman: lolz even me giving 2 verses where the differences between indentured servitude, Slaves etc were spelled out he's still dancing around Pastafarian: |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 12:31pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman: |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:34pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
dalaman:Ewoo! See an entirely unrelated and unintelligent question. Baba, please go. You're confused. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 12:35pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Pastafarian: LooooL If my intelligence is low yours must be sub-zero to say the most. |
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 12:36pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: You said humans can't enforce meal absolutes and I just asked you who enforces laws against rape? |
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