KingEbukasBlog:


Its funny how you give extremely poor reasons for rejecting a proposition then have the audacity to make conclusions - I'm very certain that you don't understand your own "rebuttal " . Maybe you should pay attention to what points 1 and 3 mean - since God has shown to have the freedom of will in creating the universe (having a beginning ) as an unembodied mind/consciousness then he can intervene in the affairs of the universe as a way of expressing that volition or freedom of will .

I implore you to retrace your steps to God . Your reasons for being in your current position are very very bad . You don't make any sense young man

4kings:

You still don't get it. OMG
I am not arguing against freewill, as I mentioned a "transcendental mind", I would be contradicting myself if I do so.

I said there is no evidence of interaction. Please read again and stop posting nonsense.

4kings:

Anyways, apart from Jesus, there's no evidence supporting a "personal God ", full stop.

4kings:

You like embarrassing yourself...
Thats why I said a mere historical figure might have existed.
The ebionite never recognized the divinity of Jesus, but only saw him as a Messiah for jews.
If you are bringing them up for this argument(also considering the small years apart), then Jesus Christ was just a man.

KingEbukasBlog:


You said there is no evidence supporting a Personal God







Anyway , there are a thousand and one evidences that God interacts with men . The problem with you atheists is that you never want to consider the evidence brought forward.

KingEbukasBlog:


You said there is no evidence supporting a Personal God

Anyway , there are a thousand and one evidences that God interacts with men . The problem with you atheists is that you never want to consider the evidence brought forward.

KingEbukasBlog:


Prophets in Judaism were known to be very powerful and performed miracles - Elijah , Elisha etc . They rejected Christ's divinity in the sense that those miracles and extraordinary acts performed by Christ do not prove that He is God. Some ebionites accept the virgin birth and resurrection while some don't .

Powerful prophets like Elijah and Enoch were taken to Heaven by God so they must have believed that Christ's resurrection and ascension do not actually prove that Christ is God .

dalaman:


Where is the objective and incontrovertible evidence supporting the God of the bible as the only personal God around. Where is it?

4kings:

If the ebionites didn't believe in Jesus divinity, then this should be evidence of eyewitness of another man or no eyewitness of Jesus.
Another would be that this were just popular fiction at that time.

They clearly were worshipping "Yahweh", therefore you would be considered heretic for believing that a mere man is your salvation, as propagated by the Romans.

dalaman:

Where is the objective and incontrovertible evidence supporting the God of the bible as the only personal God around. Where is it?

KingEbukasBlog:


Sir , I have told you that the Christian theism is one of the numerous conceptions of God. In Christianity like in Judaism , God is both an impersonal and personal God .

4kings:
You sly guy why are you misrepresenting what I posted.


I'm not an atheist

Please share your personal experience, for It to be considered.
Oh, I just remembered that I've asked you this before, and you couldn't, you only rely on "what other people said".

dalaman:


You talked about evidence and I asked for it.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Dalaman

Sir , your signature says: religion started when man had enough intellect to form profound questions but not enough to find answers for them ; considering that atheists in the ancient times believed the universe was eternal including matter ,they also had ridiculous beliefs about the ingredients that make up all substances in the universe , should we say that atheism was born out of ignorance and that theists were right about the universe with a finite past and the contingency argument ?

dalaman:

KingEbukasBlog:


I just gave surmises to why they rejected Jesus' divinity since the movement began just few years after Jesus died. Let me reiterate : prophets performed miracles and wondrous acts , Jesus did same ; Two prophets were taken to Heaven by God , Jesus did same through his ascension ; Its a somewhat common miracle for the dead to be raised by a prophet , perhaps they thought , God raised Jesus from the dead too - a manifestation of God's power in both cases ;Rabbis were great men who taught the word of God , Jesus did same ; Prophets conversed directly with God especially Moses , Jesus had the same experience.

These possibilities may have been the reasons why they rejected Christ's divinity .To them ,possibly , similar occurrences have happened in the pasts with other prophets so why should Jesus be an exception . The nature of Christ's teaching , they thought possibly , could be by an inspiration from God .

And for the virgin birth which Christ came to this world through could be a special way , they must have thought (the once that accept it) , of bringing the Messiah . Remember they accept Christ as the Messiah but not as God .

The patent conclusion is that miracles ,wondrous acts , resurrection and ascension were indeed performed and underwent by Christ but the Ebionites must have felt that they isn't a strong distinction between a supposed 'Son of God' and the Prophets of God .

4kings:
no ebionite believed in Virgin birth(that was the Roman's Idea) and they didn't believe in the resurrection and ascension stories.

4kings:

Alexander the Great was thought to have parted the sea like Moses and won elephant battles.

4kings:

And you are accepting Paul's(who never met Jesus) and the Romans & Eusebius lies, to the true believers

KingEbukasBlog:


Paul the Apostle was alive during the ministry of Jesus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle

Wow . Just wow !

KingEbukasBlog:


I have this feeling that you detest God and Christianity . And you would say anything no matter how unreasonable to defend your position . Can you prove the resurrection was the idea of the Romans ?

KingEbukasBlog:


How is this my business ? Or how does it affect my Christian faith ?

Didn't the rods of the Egyptian magicians also turn to snakes to contend with Moses' miracle ?

Didn't Simon the Magician attempt levitating as documented in the history books ?

4kings:

What's the meaning of this , even a passive Christian or even most Muslims know this.
Anyway, I know you are "seeing things" as usual, because of Lack of Evidence...
Paul Never Met Jesus one on one(even a gathering where he taught possibly) to discuss spiritual issues, if you still don't get it, well...

4kings:
Simply because I doubt the stories of the Bible means I hate God. Woww, I think this has gotten too far...

The pic you posted does not indicate that those that believed in the resurrection were "ebionite", the writer clearly did not know what to call them. However , a direct link to those who actually believed this would be helpful here, and not writings from someone in Wikipedia.
I think the bible said many people saw Jesus ascend to Heaven, if this is the case and the Ebionites were alive during Jesus days, then the resurrection would not be an issue. But I know you no go "see" this one

4kings:
Wowww, you didn't get my message, now I'm a little bit surprised.

KingEbukasBlog:


Yikes !

Christ said that He has sent the Holy Spirit to help guide us as He was departing . Christ does not need to discuss spiritual matters with Paul before He could understand . Besides its possible that Paul experienced many Christophanies but the bible documented just two .

The evidence is glaring that Christ did exist and performed all miracles , died ,resurrected and ascended .

Paul made the explication in 1 Corinthians 15 where He also mentioned James as one of the people Christ appeared to after His resurrection . He must have conversed with James.

You doubt bible stories for the wackest reasons and the story you seem to accept has less credibility than the myth of Narcissus .

You also quickly accept whatever these atheists say without any soupcon of skepticism. It shows that clearly you are repulsed by Christianity and are attracted to atheism .

It clearly said that some Ebionites believed while some didn't. The last time you posted a link to me as your source , it was from an atheist's site

What message ? You mentioned it to tacitly discredit the credibility of the bible's miracles by mentioning what Alexander the Great did .

KingEbukasBlog:


You said there is no evidence supporting a Personal God







Anyway , there are a thousand and one evidences that God interacts with men . The problem with you atheists is that you never want to consider the evidence brought forward.

4kings:

This is the first time I'm hearing this.
Please do post your source.

From what I've read oo.
Ebionites did not believe in virgin birth and the resurrection.
They considered Jesus as a man, that's why I said, a rabbi was probably decorated too much by the Romans.

If the ebionites didn't believe in Jesus divinity, then this should be evidence of eyewitness of another man or no eyewitness of Jesus.
Another would be that this were just popular fiction at that time.

They clearly were worshipping "Yahweh", therefore you would be considered heretic for believing that a mere man is your salvation, as propagated by the Romans.

MrMontella:

paul didnt even believe in a virgin birth...
I just they laff modern day christians

4kings:
I know that one too... Ebuka no dey hear word.

4kings:
Just like many factions of Christianity in history experienced "Christophanies"
BTW, this is the first time I'm seeing this word. Na wa oo

4kings:
What EVIDENCE!!!

4kings:
I'm wondering what this changes.
What if I said that passage Is open to different interpretations like docetism or Gnosticism(psychic to Pneumatic by getting Gnosis)

4kings:
Maybe you should try to debunk my reasons then.

4kings:
And can you give an example of these "stories" I ACCEPT.

4kings:
And
Lets analyze this, please do cite an example of atheist (irrational)claims that I quickly accepted.
Atheism does not have doctrines, so whenever an atheist says something(irrational) and I accept it, then please correct me if my reasoning is wrong(remember I'm open-minded ), it's not like I'm being paid to support them, I have obviously, many opinions that don't resonate with Theism.

4kings:
BTW, read that Wikipedia page again, the author was clearly not sure if they were indeed Ebionites.

4kings:

I was almost disappointed.

So do you believe those stories?

MrMontella:

your hate for atheism may put you in a really bad position one day

4kings:

I know that one too...
Ebuka no dey hear word.

MrMontella:

paul didnt even believe in a virgin birth...
I just they laff modern day christians

MrMontella:
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KingEbukasBlog:


your hate for God may put you in a really bad position one day