Cire80:
You lack sense. The Obi of Ukwani from Anioma LGA was written by one of your Igbo concoctionists but we easily caught him because the so called interviewee doesn't exist.

I've always put it to you that you're not Ika... Even if you're from Anioma geographically you most probably are from those Edoid group in Agbor(ie the Oza).
Ikas are a proud bunch...quit shaming them!!!

Cire80:
There was an interview flying about on nairaland purported granted by one (OBI OF UKWANI IN ANIOMA LOCAL GOVERNMENT ALREADY of Delta State), in which he told Okowa to shut up that he is an Igbo man. Of course, the interview was faked but you people masturbated to that news for month even after knowing it's not real. That's Igbo people for you. Fakeness is written all over your face

mr.confused ika man and benin ass licker, learn to speak for urself and not for Anioma.
Anioma is a unity tag!
my ogwashi ukwu have no biz with ur bini slave masterz.. be guided.

cheruv:

So the Tory don shift from Igbo to urhobo now
Guy you've a problem

The guys is shameless. See how he metamorphosed into an emotional crying sissy, instead presenting facts to counter arguments. Which one be population and fabrication again? I just wonder when Proudly Anioma Proudly Igbo FBP, moderated by Osita Mordi, an Ika son, became an Igbo page. It will be fair to ignore him henceforth. He ain't worth the time.

The guy is terrible and despicable

Give up on him

blues20:

The guys is shameless. See how he metamorphosed into an emotional crying sissy, instead presenting facts to counter arguments. Which one be population and fabrication again? I just wonder when Proudly Anioma Proudly Igbo FBP, moderated by Osita Mordi, an Ika son, became an Igbo page. It will be fair to ignore him henceforth. He ain't worth the time.

Hmmn...

blues20:

The guys is shameless. See how he metamorphosed into an emotional crying sissy, instead presenting facts to counter arguments. Which one be population and fabrication again? I just wonder when Proudly Anioma Proudly Igbo FBP, moderated by Osita Mordi, an Ika son, became an Igbo page. It will be fair to ignore him henceforth. He ain't worth the time.

80%of the members in that page are from the East. Is it the moderator that makes the comments on post? He is one person and only comment for one person.

NB: I gave you all the facts and if you think bursting all your lies is crying like a sissy, so be it. You don't know me in real life and don't have a clue of who I am. So stop talking nonsense. I'm one person taking on 5 or 6 of you at once, bursting all your lies you take time to fabricate, what time do you expect me to bring out more facts? Probably divide myself I guess. Your population is your only advantage.

Cire80:
80%of the members in that page are from the East. Is it the moderator that makes the comments on post? He is one person and only comment for one person.

Guy, you have laid out the facts clearly in most of your posts. There are some folks that will still refuse to believe the truth, and will continue spewing insults, because of the way they have been raised. You can't do anything about those who have been programmed with a default mindset that screams 'ignorance.' Just siddon dey look.

Some jacks, with hyper-maniac Igbophobic traits will be posting useless and stupid memes. See them.

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Cire80:
80%of the members in that page are from the East. Is it the moderator that makes the comments on post? He is one person and only comment for one person.

NB: I gave you all the facts and if you think bursting all your lies is crying like a sissy, so be it. You don't know me in real life and don't have a clue of who I am. So stop talking nonsense. I'm one person taking on 5 or 6 of you at once, bursting all your lies you take time to fabricate, what time do you expect me to bring out more facts? Probably divide myself I guess. Your population is your only advantage.

Dude, whatever you like, be. Its non of my business. If you like come from the moon, it aint gonno make me taller. Its your pain man. Its unfortunate that you cannot engage in intellectual debate with facts, without resorting to emotional plea.
But anyway, I'm done with you for real. If Osita is one man, from Ika, its still doesn't win you the debate. You can meet and ask him why he should set up a page that is populated by Igbos, and is clearly against your claim? As me, obi'm wu 'nkem.

Redbonesmith1:


The problem is that most of you do not have a sense of history. Marseilles in France was founded by Greeks. The natives today don't speak Greek. They haven't spoken Greek in centuries. The same can be said of Alexandria in Egypt founded by Greeks, Barcelona in Spain founded by Carthage, Fatima in Portugal founded by Arabs. All these places have made a complete switch from the languages of its founders.

You cannot use the language spoken by Asaba people today to make conclusions on the language spoken there 500 or so years ago.

Had to correct this falsehood and misrepresentation of facts.

Marseille was conquered by the Julius Caesar, the Roman emperor, and today, the language we know as French is a corrupted pidgin version of Roman language.
The language Marseille speaks today is a result of subjugation and invasion by Romans.

Greeks again were invaders and Empire builders that invaded and ruled Egypt, likewise Alexandria. They were never the majority in Egypt and their language naturally had to give way for those of the Arab early invaders who were then natives of the land.

All the examples you gave, were all built on invasion and Empire building where by the language Of the Empire builders swallowed those of the invaded, or where those of the invaded swallowed those of the empire builders who were in small number and had to assimilate into the language of the invaded.

Questions for you:
Was there ever an Igbo empire in the past?
At what point did this Igbo empire invaded non Igbo speaking clans in Western Igboland today and turned them into Igbo speaking enclaves.

vicenzo:


Had to correct this falsehood and misrepresentation of facts.

Marseille was conquered by the Julius Caesar, the Roman emperor, and today, the language we know as French is a corrupted pidgin version of Roman language.
The language Marseille speaks today is a result of subjugation and invasion by Romans.

Greeks again were invaders and Empire builders that invaded and ruled Egypt, likewise Alexandria. They were never the majority in Egypt and their language naturally had to give way for those of the Arab early invaders who were then natives of the land.

All the examples you gave, were all built on invasion and Empire building where by the language Of the Empire builders swallowed those of the invaded, or where those of the invaded swallowed those of the empire builders who were in small number and had to assimilate into the language of the invaded.

Questions for you:
Was there ever an Igbo empire in the past?
At what point did this Igbo empire invaded non Igbo speaking clans in Western Igboland today and turned them into Igbo speaking enclaves.

IGBO HAVE NO MILITARY AND NOT KNOWN TO INVADE ANY COMMUNITY.

THEY MAINLY SETTLED ON UNINHABITED LAND.

I DONT KNOW WHICH PART OF UNINHABITED THAT REDBONESMITH1 FAIL TO UNDERSTAND.

THE ONLY WAY TO GO INTO LAND INHABITED IS THROUGH WAR, UNLESS HE KNOWS OF A WAR THAT WE DONT KNOW IN ANIOMA.

HAS HE EVER WONDERED Y IGBO MIGRATED WEST RATHER THAN CONTINUE DOWN SOUTH OR EAST INTO THE EKOI AND EFIK GROUP AREA?

THOSE AREAS WERE INHABITED BY BANTU SPEAKERS.

Cire80:
Because the typical Onitsha indigenes don't call themselves Igbo. Even now that Igbo is all around them and they're in the South East, some of them still don't like to be called Igbo.

Lmao. Ikechu1 was right about you. Please, nobody take this poster seriously. LMAO.

Ngozi123:




Lmao. Ikechu1 was right about you. Please, nobody take this poster seriously. LMAO.

IF WE HAVE AN EXPERT ON ONITSHA MATTER HERE, IT IS NGOZI123.

blues20:

Are you in any way insinuating that Igbos are slave?

Yes, he is. I don't know why he refuses to admit that the Enuani Igbos are, in fact, Igbos. Why can't people distinguish between language and dialect or tribe and ethnicity?

hammerF:




IF WE HAVE AN EXPERT ON ONITSHA MATTER HERE, IT IS NGOZI123.

I'm not an expert tbf but I half of my family live in Onitsha and have so for well over 60 years plus my village is a stone's throw away from there. Despite my lack of expertise on the matter, I know that Onitsha Igbos are some of the proudest Igbos in the world. A three year old child would know this so I don't know what on earth that poster is saying. I seriously doubt that he's from Anioma as Anioma is not that far from Onitsha so someone from there should know this stuff.

Ngozi123:


Yes, he is. I don't know why he refuses to admit that the Enuani Igbos are, in fact, Igbos. Why can't people distinguish between language and dialect or tribe and ethnicity?

My kind of person would have been brutal on him.... on the slave part.....but this is new year. I'm up to a new leaf. This is how I'll roll this year; civility is the watchword.

ariesbull:
I am waiting for your lies again


Onitsha dont use dei and Onitsha isnt in Anioma

ANIOMA is an acronym meaning


The term Anioma means 'Good Land' in Igbo and is also an acronym derived from the four original local governments i.e. (A) for Aniocha, (N) for Ndokwa, (I) for Ika, (O) for Oshimili, M and A are common denominators found in the four original local governments. The coinage was made by the founding father, Chief Dennis Osadebay in 1951 and has since remained the preferred indigenous name by which the people collectively refer to themselves.


You can lie shaaaaaaaaaa

Where is Onitsha here...maybe add Mba Ano also in Imo State

Where is Ugomba seff when you need him

What do you know about Mbano in Imo? This is the same person that tried to tell me that Ogbaru people and the Enuanis in Delta state are not related btw.

blues20:

My kind of person would have been brutal on him.... on the slave part.....but this is new year. I'm up to a new leaf. This is how I'll roll this year; civility is the watchword.

I can't take him seriously after what he said about Onitsha Igbos. Lol .

blues20:
Some jacks, with hyper-maniac Igbophobic traits will be posting useless and stupid memes. See them.

When dealing with peeps who exhibit naked hypocrisy under the cover of intellectualism, I've only one solution for them...

The Guillotine

vicenzo:


Had to correct this falsehood and misrepresentation of facts.

Marseille was conquered by the Julius Caesar, the Roman emperor, and today, the language we know as French is a corrupted pidgin version of Roman language.
The language Marseille speaks today is a result of subjugation and invasion by Romans.

Greeks again were invaders and Empire builders that invaded and ruled Egypt, likewise Alexandria. They were never the majority in Egypt and their language naturally had to give way for those of the Arab early invaders who were then natives of the land.

All the examples you gave, were all built on invasion and Empire building where by the language Of the Empire builders swallowed those of the invaded, or where those of the invaded swallowed those of the empire builders who were in small number and had to assimilate into the language of the invaded.

Questions for you:
Was there ever an Igbo empire in the past?
At what point did this Igbo empire invaded non Igbo speaking clans in Western Igboland today and turned them into Igbo speaking enclaves.

It is oversimplification to assume that language changing is always due to invasion and conquest. Rome also conquered many other people who did not adopt a Latin language, e.g., Greece. The Arabs also conquered many people who did not adopt Arabic, eg., Northern India. If invasion and conquest is the most important factor, all these places should have switched their languages. Heck, Africans today should all be speaking solely English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.

Sometimes, in fact, in many cases, peaceful influx of people can drastically alter or even change the spoken language of a settlement more than armies and conquests can, especially if the in-comers have a large population.

Greek was already dying as a spoken language in Marseilles by the time Caesar got there. Granted, Romanization speeded up the process, but it would have happened anyway because Marseilles is just one colony in a sea of Gallic speakers. It was inevitable that they would get swallowed up.

Also you are wrong about Alexandria and Arabs. The Greek spoken by the founders of Alexandria had already been replaced by Coptic (the language spoken in other parts of Egypt at the time) before the Arab invasions. I don't need to tell you that this replacement had nothing to do with war, and everything to do with the strength of numbers.

The Igala colonies of the Lower Niger faced the same predicament viz-aviz the Igbo. Igboland was/is one of the most densely population areas in all of Africa, and as a result people were always moving out of its congested areas to people neighbouring sparsely populated areas. Some Igbo areas today are known to have formerly belonged to other ethnic groups, e.g, parts of Abakiliki region, Arochukwu, even Afikpo and parts of Ngwa. It shouldn't be hard to understand how Asaba, Illah and Oko among others could have started out as small Igala outposts and then be swamped by influx of Igbo-speakers from the East.

Look at what Ika-speakers had done to the Esan language of Ekpon. It did not involve war and conquest. Look at what Igbo people who came in as slaves did to the language of Bonny. It did not involve war and conquest. If the slave trade did not stop when it did, perhaps even the outlying settlements that still speak Ibani will all be speaking Igbo today. Look at what migrant Igbo farmers are currently doing to the Igala language of Akpanya. If the current trend doesn't change, that town could become a full-blown Igbo-speaking town in a matter of decades.

So don't tell me war and conquests are the only way languages change. I'm too knowledgeable to be told that. I know population strength and large-scale immigrations can equally do the trick.

Ngozi123:




Lmao. Ikechu1 was right about you. Please, nobody take this poster seriously. LMAO.

I said even till now that they are surrounded by Igbos, some of them still deny their Igboness which means some have started accepting the name. If you didn't know that Onitsha indigenes deny Igbo then I doubt you're from around there like you claimed. So you didn't know about how Onitsha people call other Easterners Nwa onye Igbo?

Ngozi123:




Lmao. Ikechu1 was right about you. Please, nobody take this poster seriously. LMAO.

I hu na o gbachiri nkiti mgbem si ya kowa nke bu "typical" na "atypical" Onicha indigene...ihe nātodim ochi bu ofeke ahu nēdu ya

RedboneSmith:


It is oversimplification to assume that language changing is always due to invasion and conquest. Rome also conquered many other people who did not adopt a Latin language, e.g., Greece. The Arabs also conquered many people who did not adopt Arabic, eg., Northern India. If invasion and conquest is the most important factor, all these places should have switched their languages. Heck, Africans today should all be speaking solely English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.

Sometimes, in fact, in many cases, peaceful influx of people can drastically alter or even change the spoken language of a settlement more than armies and conquests can, especially if the in-comers have a large population.

Greek was already dying as a spoken in Marseilles by the time Caesar got there. Granted, Romanization speeded up the process, but it would have happened anyway because Marseilles is just one colony in a sea of Gallic speakers. It was inevitable that they would get swallowed up.

Also you are wrong about Alexandria and Arabs. The Greek spoken by the founders of Alexandria had already been replaced by Coptic (the language spoken in other parts of Egypt at the time) before the Arab invasions. I don't need to tell you that this replacement had nothing to do with war, and everything to do with the strength of numbers.

The Igala colonies of the Lower Niger faced the same predicament viz-aviz the Igbo. Igboland was/is one of the most densely population areas in all of Africa, and as a result people were always moving out of its congested areas to people neighbouring sparsely populated areas. Some Igbo areas today are known to have formerly belonged to other ethnic groups, e.g, parts of Abakiliki region, Arochukwu, even Afikpo and parts of Ngwa. It shouldn't be hard to understand how Asaba, Illah and Oko among others could have started out as small Igala settlements and then be swamped by influx of Igbo-speakers from the East.

Look at what Ika-speakers had done to the Esan language of Ekpon. It did not involve war and conquest. Look at what Igbo people who came in as slaves did to the language of Bonny. It did not involve war and conquest. If the slave trade did not stop when it did, perhaps even the outlying settlements that still speak Ibani will all be speaking Igbo today. Look at what migrant Igbo farmers are currently doing to the Igala language of Akpanya. If the current trend doesn't change, that town could become a full-blown Igbo-speaking town in a matter of decades.

So don't tell me war and conquests are the only way languages change. I'm too knowledgeable to be told that. I know population strength and large-scale immigrations can equally do the trick.

I'm sure they know this but choose to feign ignorance. Influx of people in large numbers to anywhere whether for business or farming can greatly influence the original inhabitants of that place. Especially when it's from a major and larger ethnic group like Igbo.

martineinstein:
and one ipob will claim delta ibos are ibos..when we can clearly see Benin culture

If delta Igbos re not Igbos

Before the creation of states wat replaced delta in DELTA IGBO

Why do they speak Igbo and bear Igbo names wit Igbo titles

Chiefobdk1:


If delta Igbos re not Igbos

Before the creation of states wat replaced delta in DELTA IGBO

Why do they speak Igbo and bear Igbo names wit Igbo titles

There are few Igbo titles. But as for language, did you see Redbonsmith's comment? just above this your comment.

Ngozi123:


What do you know about Mbano in Imo? This is the same person that tried to tell me that Ogbaru people and the Enuanis in Delta state are not related btw.

Ike gwuru

Cire80:
I said even till now that they are surrounded by Igbos, some of them still deny their Igboness which means some have started accepting the name. If you didn't know that Onitsha indigenes deny Igbo then I doubt you're from around there like you claimed. So you didn't know about how Onitsha people call other Easterners Nwa onye Igbo?

You've now changed your argument from "typical Onitsha indigene" to "some"... There are a minority of people who have a considerable amount of Bini DNA in Onitsha but they know who they are and we know who they are, they are not the "typical Onitsha indigene", as you so erroneously said. You've completely turned that saying upside down and the fact that you've actually used that to explain why Onitsha people don't see themselves as Igbo suggests that you are lying about your identity. Like I said, Onitsha people are some of the proudest Igbos in the world. Let's see if you'll understand this double entendre.

Ngozi123:


You've now changed your argument from "typical Onitsha indigene" to "some"... There are a minority of people who have a considerable amount of Bini DNA in Onitsha but they know who they are and we know who they are, they are not the "typical Onitsha indigene", as you so erroneously said. You've completely turned that saying upside down and the fact that you've actually used that to explain why Onitsha people don't see themselves as Igbo suggests that you are lying about your identity. Like I said, Onitsha people are some of the proudest Igbos in the world. Let's see if you'll understand this double entendre.

read my comment. I said typical because to me the typical Onitsha indigenes are the Bini migrants including the Umudeis that have the royal quarters. But I also said some and did you miss the word "STILL". How exactly did I change my comment? You are the one changing tones now

Cire80:
read my comment. I said typical because to me the typical Onitsha indigenes are the Bini migrants including the Umudeis that have the royal quarters. But I also said some and did you miss the word "STILL". How exactly did I change my comment? You are the one changing tones now

Lmao. I'm sorry but I just cannot take you seriously. In what world are the Bini migrants, who are a very small minority, even out of the total population of migrants who went to Onitsha- most were Igbo- "typical Onitsha indigenes"? Do you understand what any of those words mean?

Btw, I noticed that you didn't understand the double entendre...

Ngozi123:


Lmao. I'm sorry but I just cannot take you seriously. In what world are the Bini migrants, who are a very small minority, even out of the total population migrants who went to Onitsha- most were Igbo- "typical Onitsha indigenes"? Do you understand what any of those words mean?

Btw, I noticed that you didn't understand the double entendre...

I guess the Onitsha Uburu in Ebonyi State are also Bini migrant.

blues20:

I guess the Onitsha Uburu in Ebonyi State are also Bini migrant.

Don't mind him. He's taken that expression totally out of context and I doubt that he'll understand the double entendre.