TheGoodJoe:


Rojo is better than Stones. Mikhytarian is in a far better level than Silva. Martial and Sterling is a tough one. Baily is a better defender than Kolarov, Herrera is definitely better than Yaya Toure. I will take Mata without thinking.

TheGoodJoe:


I wonder how you got that. If you remember the debate, it was about Leon Balogun vs Stones. I said, Leon Balogun is a better defender but when it comes to ball playing, Stones is better than Leon.

That opinion has not changed.

goldfish80:

I think you meant

Goundogan > Mikhytarian
Silva >Mata
Martial =sterling
Fernandinho > shneiderlin
Otamendi>= Bailey
Clichy > Rojo

goldfish80:

The argument was that Man city over paid for Stones. Everton dupped Guardiola and Man city in that deal.
I asked you if Stones was worth 50M you said yes!
Your point was that he had good feet and in his first game he had 96% pass accuracy.

I asked you if he was better than Umtiti and Mustafi whose combined fee is below 50m, you said yes! You claimed he had better pass accuracy than Mustafi then at Valentia.
Don't tell me you've forgotten so soon.

Just a few keywords, I will pull out your quotes

goldfish80:

The argument was that Man city over paid for Stones. Everton dupped Guardiola and Man city in that deal.
I asked you if Stones was worth 50M you said yes!
Your point was that he had good feet and in his first game he had 96% pass accuracy.

I asked you if he was better than Umtiti and Mustafi whose combined fee is below 50m, you said yes! You claimed he had better pass accuracy than Mustafi then at Valentia.
Don't tell me you've forgotten so soon.

Just a few keywords, I will pull out your quotes

TheGoodJoe:


Your rating is totally off. Gundogan can not be better than Mikhytarian. I totally disagree. From his time at Sharkhtar to Dortmund, Mikhytarian was crazy genius.

Baily Otamendi is close but I will take Otamendi because of his ball playing skills. One of the best today. However, Baily is faster.

At the moment, Mata is better than Silva. Silva is aging and creating little to nothing. Mata creates far better and scores more goals.

Rojo is far ahead of Clichy. No comparison there. Rojo is made brilliant. Clichy is now weak and aging.

I repeat, Mourinho has the better team. It is a myth saying he would do wonders with the current aging City team.

TheGoodJoe:


No one is debating if Stones can pass. The guy can. No one is debating if he is a good ball playing defender. He is. The problem Stones has is that his natural defending is weak. If we are not creating chances and controlling the game, he becomes a liability.

That was why he came under heavy criticism and Valencia.

goldfish80:

Everton duped you guys. That's just about it..
In an open market, even Shanghai shehua won't pay more than 10M for stones.

goldfish80:

The heart beat of that Dortmond side that dominated Germany was Guondogan. When he was a year out of action due to injury, Dortmond escaped relegation by the whiskers
The new midfield lynchpin Tuchel have groomed is Julian Weigl. Watch out for that boy.

Mata can't get into the Spanish national squad ahead of Silva or even a fit Carzorla.

Otamendi/Bailey. I rated Otamendi greater or equal to Bailey. I domt need to tell you about Otamendi's reputation from his days at Porto and later Valencia.
His role at the 2014 world cup with Argentina making a final appearance.
whatever Bailey brings to the table, Otamendi brings alot more.

I would rather have Clichy at left back than Rojo.

This man city team is not as bad as your making them out to be.
They have simply regressed under Guardiola. These are world class players.

TheGoodJoe:
How else do I say it? English players cost a lot.

goldfish80:

Everton didn't hold a gun to Guardiola's head before signing up Stones.

TheGoodJoe:


Clichy is an aging left back. Simple. Also, Rojo is more versatile can also play as a Central defender. His is better than Clichy. There is no debate there.

Silva gets into the Spanish squad based on his history. Not current form. Anyone watching footie lately will know Mata is a wrecking machine compared to Silva. Gundogan's rating there is history, not current form. From Dortmund to this season and the season before, Mikhytarian is better.

The Man City team is as bad when you have five defenders over thirty and two defensive midfielders over thirty. That is bad. Silva is also over thirty. It is an aging team.

TheGoodJoe:

Same way Liverpool did not hold a gun before we bought Sterling. No club forced us to buy Delph, Rodwell and Sinclair.

The EPL has their rules of teams playing English players. So clubs buy their overpriced players.

goldfish80:

It's the home grown rule. The player does not really have to be a native. Just like Iheanacho is considered home grown. Fabregas, Mustafi and Pique are home grown as well.
It's irresponsible paying £50M for a pub defender.

tbaba1234:


I remember thegoodjoe arguing about how great his passing stats was and how he was worth the money

TheGoodJoe:


I disagree on Mourinho doing better. It is a myth. Mourinho has better players than City today. We just have history names, not current form. Mata, Mikhytarian, Martial, Rojo, Bailey, Pogba, Herrera, Schneiderlin (Who he just sold) are good players who as a team are better than City but Mourinho is not lighting the league up.

Whaaaat?
You need to give unreserved apology to Man City FC for belitling their team.
Man city team has the best players in every department more than any other team In EPL, even their reserved (or second team) team can still compete and chanlege for the title if properly managed

Some of us knew that this will happen ( to Pep's man city team) it's a matter of "when not if" ,when he sent Joe Hart away from Etihad, now we been vindicated to those who criticised us then

I have said it before and I'm saying again, pep will regret for letting Joe Hart go


BTW,it is only Pogba and De Gae that can bench first eleven in man city team ( dis is not to disrespect man u team) OK let me add Mikhytarian join


...and the question i want to ask u are, is this not the man city team that won ten matches straight up?
...so the players suddenly became aging when they start loosing?
Abeg we no go buy dat one
Next.. .

Segadem:



Whaaaat?
You need to give unreserved apology to Man City FC for belitling their team.
Man city team has the best players in every department more than any other team In EPL, even their reserved (or second team) team can still compete and chanlege for the title if properly managed

Some of us knew that this will happen ( to Pep's man city team) it's a matter of "when not if" ,when he sent Joe Hart away from Etihad, now we been vindicated to those who criticised us then

I have said it before and I'm saying again, pep will regret for letting Joe Hart go


BTW,it is only Pogba and De Gae that can bench first eleven in man city team ( dis is not to disrespect man u team) OK let me add Mikhytarian join


...and the question i want to ask u are, is this not the man city team that won ten matches straight up?
...so the players suddenly became aging when they start loosing?
Abeg we no go buy dat one
Next.. .

goldfish80:

The heart beat of that Dortmond side that dominated Germany was Guondogan. When he was a year out of action due to injury, Dortmond escaped relegation by the whiskers
The new midfield lynchpin Tuchel have groomed is Julian Weigl. Watch out for that boy.

Mata can't get into the Spanish national squad ahead of Silva or even a fit Carzorla.

Otamendi/Bailey. I rated Otamendi greater or equal to Bailey. I domt need to tell you about Otamendi's reputation from his days at Porto and later Valencia.
His role at the 2014 world cup with Argentina making a final appearance.
whatever Bailey brings to the table, Otamendi brings alot more.

I would rather have Clichy at left back than Rojo.

This man city team is not as bad as your making them out to be.
They have simply regressed under Guardiola. These are world class players.

goldfish80:

Silva is getting old and Mata is getting young abi? I've seen David Silva own games this season.
If you feel Mata is in better form than Silva, that should tell you the manager at Man city is not doing a good job. He simply cannot get the best out of his players.
Guardiola is being exposed in England. He had it easy at Barcelona and Bayern. The true test of his managerial acumen is in the Epl. In his post match interviews, you could read from his body language that he's fed up and bored.
It doesn't look like he wants to be at Man city anymore. He's just knackered.

TheGoodJoe:


Clichy is an aging left back. Simple. Also, Rojo is more versatile can also play as a Central defender. His is better than Clichy. There is no debate there.

Silva gets into the Spanish squad based on his history. Not current form. Anyone watching footie lately will know Mata is a wrecking machine compared to Silva. Gundogan's rating there is history, not current form. From Dortmund to this season and the season before, Mikhytarian is better.

The Man City team is as bad when you have five defenders over thirty and two defensive midfielders over thirty. That is bad. Silva is also over thirty. It is an aging team.

tbaba1234:


The bolded is the problem. You think, Pep is 'doing wonders' even till now.. The so called old players are not slouches by any means.

goldfish80:
Watched the Cameron Burkina game last night. In all honesty, the indomitable lions were very very impressive. They kept their shape well and played through Burkina with precise passes. They possess very athletic/mobile players and they seem to have stamped out their usual robust/dirty jam body football,thanks to the absence of the likes of Song and Mbappe, although they still managed 4 yellow cards.
I hope Rohr was taking note of their game last night because I see these guys giving us a fight to the end.

If we are to get anything from the games against this side, our wingbacks need to have an excellent game because the Cameronian's are potent down the wings with Moukanjo , Bassogogo and Clinton N'jie. Imagine if Mbappe chose to represent Cameroun.. Hmm
Also, we must avoid giving up free kicks in dangerous areas. Moukanjo can burry those in like he did last night.

If we can get 4 hard points from this guys and 6 points from Zambia, we will be home and dry.
Let's not make mistake thinking Cameroun will be an easy ride, they played the best football so far in this tournament.

onirugbon:
The eagles profile is gradually rising. Just yesterday (2013) when we won the afcon, we barely had Mikel only playing in the EPL and we struggled against lesser teams.

Now we have Iheanacho, Ndidi, Alex, Musa etc and more rising prospects. (Yes I regard EPL as the best/most difficult league in the world). We thank God.

However for that golden generation, I no longer have high hopes on following players for obvious reasons.


1. Isaac Success (Will he ever be injury free? Reminds me of Joel Obi. May God help him).

2. Obinna Nwobodo (Talented but just cannot make it to a bigger league. He is gradually getting old.

3. Musa Yahaya (Was my personal favorite in the U17, above Iheanacho and Success. Where is he now? I believe he scammed me. Right now I would rate little Kelechi Nwakali above him.

4. Taiwo Awoniyi (Was never really sold on him. But at a point in his performance I thought he deserved a look in. Right now I believe water has found its levels.


Under probation:
1. Victor Osimen
2. Etebo Oghenekaro
3. Moses simon
4. Keneth Omeruo
5. Henry Onyekuru (Showing flashes but not sold yet.Michael Olaitan showed flashes seasons ago, where is he now?)

goldfish80:

Silva is getting old and Mata is getting young abi? I've seen David Silva own games this season.
If you feel Mata is in better form than Silva, that should tell you the manager at Man city is not doing a good job. He simply cannot get the best out of his players.
Guardiola is being exposed in England. He had it easy at Barcelona and Bayern. The true test of his managerial acumen is in the Epl. In his post match interviews, you could read from his body language that he's fed up and bored.
It doesn't look like he wants to be at Man city anymore. He's just knackered.

BascoVanVeli:


Can u compare this Man city to Bayern or Barcelona? John Stones is single handedly trying to end this man's career.

BascoVanVeli:


Can u compare this Man city to Bayern or Barcelona? John Stones is single handedly trying to end this man's career.

Lazyerudite:

You forgot to include Bravo, he should have left Hart jeje

BascoVanVeli:


Can u compare this Man city to Bayern or Barcelona? John Stones is single handedly trying to end this man's career.

Lazyerudite:
Rightly said except for Otamendi. Dude is finished

BascoVanVeli:


Can u compare this Man city to Bayern or Barcelona? John Stones is single handedly trying to end this man's career.

onirugbon:
The eagles profile is gradually rising. Just yesterday (2013) when we won the afcon, we barely had Mikel only playing in the EPL and we struggled against lesser teams.

Now we have Iheanacho, Ndidi, Alex, Musa etc and more rising prospects. (Yes I regard EPL as the best/most difficult league in the world). We thank God.

However for that golden generation, I no longer have high hopes on following players for obvious reasons.


1. Isaac Success (Will he ever be injury free? Reminds me of Joel Obi. May God help him).

2. Obinna Nwobodo (Talented but just cannot make it to a bigger league. He is gradually getting old.

3. Musa Yahaya (Was my personal favorite in the U17, above Iheanacho and Success. Where is he now? I believe he scammed me. Right now I would rate little Kelechi Nwakali above him.

4. Taiwo Awoniyi (Was never really sold on him. But at a point in his performance I thought he deserved a look in. Right now I believe water has found its levels.


Under probation:
1. Victor Osimen
2. Etebo Oghenekaro
3. Moses simon
4. Keneth Omeruo
5. Henry Onyekuru (Showing flashes but not sold yet.Michael Olaitan showed flashes seasons ago, where is he now?)