CecyAdrian:
While reading through the scripture one day, I came across rules and regulations concerning tithe in Deuteronomy , I was shocked because I never knew that the issue of tithe was talked about anywhere else excerpt in Malachi 3:8. Now, when you take a look at Deuteronomy 14 when God was giving the children of Israelite rules and regulations, God explained the concept or reason for tithe to them and gave them rules to abide in regards to it, from verse 22 downwards explains it so well.

Then you also go to Deuteronomy 26:12 downwards, the same rule was also repeated, and an very sure that the reason why God said that we should bring our tithes and offering in Malachi 3: 10 was for the actualization of his rules and regulation in Deuteronomy, which is feeding the Levites, poor, widows and the needy in the society

So, now I ask, why do pastors prefer Malachi even to the extent of twisting it to favour their aims instead of giving their church members the full concept, rules and regulations regarding tithing which the Lord commanded in Deuteronomy.

So you read the Bible ??

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Lighthouse Chapel International They pay tithes tho .. but i don't

kolaish:
it is only a stingy person that have problem with paying tithe. FYI, I pay 20% as tithe not even 10%. The truth is that the biessings God has given is even more than the 20% and I am thinking of increasing it in the near future.

Funny
You are happy obeying the law
Read Galatians 3:10 and change your mind
Thank you

CecyAdrian:


@ least my message was passed loud and clear ... and i just read somewhere now where you cried over what you claimed to be a 'typo error' because you were corrected but here you are doing the same thing that made you want to pull of your head and eat it

Weldon ma

Keep looking for fault when you are FAULT personalized. You had better go and correct that statement, God can not die.

...u obviously have this much time on ur hands....go on...

CecyAdrian:


@ least my message was passed loud and clear ... and i just read somewhere now where you cried over what you claimed to be a 'typo error' because you were corrected but here you are doing the same thing that made you want to pull of your head and eat it

Weldon ma

Keep looking for fault when you are FAULT personalized. You had better go and correct that statement, God can not die.

...u obviously have this much time on ur hands....go on..

because if you dont pay your tithe, your life would be tight.

you did not make dis kind of research when u were writing ur project o, just because u cnt do away with 10% n u are just selfish. so pastors shud eat wind because they r nt humans.

nuelyoyo:
So you read the Bible ??

Because our dear Pastors are con men. and the economic situation isnt helping..

CecyAdrian:


Please go back and read from verse 1-3 of the same chapter.

You just purposely cut out a section that says what suits your aim and left the other. This is the same thing I have been talking about Why do that!!

Now read from beginning of that verse, especially verse 3

I don't get why you sound like you are making an accusation.

Melchizedek the Priest
7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

What about the verse 3? At a point like this where anger/accusation begins to set in, I'll bow out.

(Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!)

Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ...

This is pointing out that:

The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day.
Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time.

The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth.

Even as it is, there is no compulsion. God gave man a very important gift called choice. You can chose to worship God or not worship him. You can choose to stay in the old covenant or the new. If you are properly in the new covenant, you will even want to give more than 10 percent with understanding. You are not giving to the man of God who collects it. You are giving to God for his work. Some men of God draw salaries, some don't. But the ultimate purpose of giving in what ever name is for the advancement of the kingdom of God.

I won't argue with you any further.

Junia:


Funny
You are happy obeying the law
Read Galatians 3:10 and change your mind
Thank you

who owns you and your tithe/money, who gives you power/wisdom to make riches? GOD. I have been blessed more tremendously by God, so, I not only pay tithe, but contributes a lot to the church and charity. It gives me great joy to do all these, it is not a matter of law

Please let me point to out the following : Tithes as God specified are for Levites. Our pastors are not Levites o! Secondly the bible specified why tithes were to be given to the levites. Pastors of nowadays have businesses etc. What the levites collect are for their sustenance not for flossing like our pastors ...jets, exotic houses and cars etc.
Those pointing to what Abraham (called Abram then) gave should understand that it wasn't tithe. It was a tenth of his LOOT from his war...not a tenth of what he earned (there was money then o! After all he paid money in gold to buy a plot of land to bury Sarah). Anyways he didn't pay d money from his earnings or his flock but just from the loot and he did it of his freewill...he wasn't asked to do so.
Also I hope you all know Jacob too offered to pay 10% to God if God did something for him...that too is not tithe as it was tied to a condition.
Like someone said earlier ...tithe is produce not money and if you want to redeem it with money you pay an addition approx 2%more making it 12% . Do u guys pay 12% to your pastors? Lol. I'm sure u don't.
Anyways I believe the ministry of God should be supported. You should give to the church but only what you want to give freely for God loves a cheerful giver a d when you give (even if it's still 10% of your income) please give because u want to give and don't call it tithe. It's a freewill offering. For as Paul said we should give to support the ministry ...but it done of freewill .
Abeg all these Nigerian pastors are from naija ...not from Israel and are definitely not Levites.
Give because you want to. Don't be forced.

Shine ya eyes. Test everything. BIBLE dey there ..make una read am.
Shalom

kolaish:
who owns you and your tithe/money, who gives you power/wisdom to make riches? GOD. I have been blessed more tremendously by God, so, I not only pay tithe, but contributes a lot to the church and charity. It gives me great joy to do all these, it is not a matter of law

I'm glad you do these things..you should actually help grow the ministry but NOT because a pastor threatens you with Malachi verses but because you are led to do so. God loves a cheerful giver. Please na freewill offering you dey give because your pastor no be levites and hence what he is collecting from you can't be tithe.
That's a fact.
Take care and may God continue to bless you as you give to his ministry .
Shalom

kolaish:
who owns you and your tithe/money, who gives you power/wisdom to make riches? GOD. I have been blessed more tremendously by God, so, I not only pay tithe, but contributes a lot to the church and charity. It gives me great joy to do all these, it is not a matter of law

You must contribute to the the church and charity .. its good
But tithe is a law
And you must not follow the law
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Since you cannot abide by all thing written in the law
You are actually inviting curses for yourself
And note ... no one is justified by the law

Please go and pray about it

ilynem:

Exactly. Jesus condemned the manner it was paid but never said it was wrong to pay it. Two different things.

Jesus ws refering tp d pharisees and used them as example bt we re christians.....nt pharisees or jews....y ws nt tithe mentioned by any of his disciples? Nt , even Paul

dsaynt:
Please let me point to out the following : Tithes as God specified are for Levites. Our pastors are not Levites o! Secondly the bible specified why tithes were to be given to the levites. Pastors of nowadays have businesses etc.

Tithe is for the work of God . There are people , staff and officials who work full time in churches and are paid . Its not just about pastors . Ofcourse most pastors don't depend on church since they have thier own jobserved outside church . However some pastors still work full time in ministry and such require support. TITHES also goes for other bills in church . So e chair rentals etc

Joagbaje:


Tithe is for the work of God . There are people , staff and officials who work full time in churches and are paid . Its not just about pastors . Ofcourse most pastors don't depend on church since they have thier own jobserved outside church . However some pastors still work full time in ministry and such require support. TITHES also goes for other bills in church . So e chair rentals etc

Lies
The apostles received gifts to support their ministries not tithe
Why do christians allow their pastors to deceive them
Did Jesus pay tithe ??
Are we not looking unto Jesus ??

ilynem:

Africans pay the most tithe. Dunno where u got that from. But that's not the point. Thank God you have seen the "light" and you are no more paying. Tell me, what has that 10 percent done for u? What I mean is that it is not compulsory you pay. No one is forcing you.

The 10%. In fact more than that monthly is helping to change the lives of less privileged members of my society and I am spiritually refreshed each time.

Keep thinking 10% given to charlatans and will improve your life materially or spiritually.

A1.(Heb 7:5)
Heloo Sir,
To start with, One verse After the Other, Heb 7:5
Levites Have ''a Commandment'' Hereinafter mean that ''A Written Authority Under The Law'' To Collect Tithe''

Question (1) Does today pastors Have any written commandment to receive tithe like the levites? even though you have not specified the 'type of tithe that preceed law?

Question (2) Tithe for Gods people then were 'strictly on increase of one's possesion' and NOT another ones possesion,

Deuteronomy 14:22 (NKJV)

22 “You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year.

lets agree on this first before we move on.

This is something you have been dodging.

DeKen:


Heb 7:5 (NIV) ... Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham.

To deal with your post, we need to read from King james version oldest bible,

Heb 7:5 (kjv)... And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham; 6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.

DeKen:


This is pointing out that:

The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood

Which tithe predates law, is it 'the increase of one's possesion OR recovered loot from war? pls be specicific

Junia:


Lies
The apostles received gifts to support their ministries not tithe
Why do christians allow their pastors to deceive them
Did Jesus pay tithe ??
Are we not looking unto Jesus ??

Jesus taught that men should tithe . That means he's a tither also

Joagbaje:

Jesus taught that men should tithe . That means he's a tither also

Funny ... What i delusion So when he taught about marriage did he marry ?? Please learn the bible for yourself ok Jesus didn't tithe neither did His disciples Tithe was never mentioned amongst the early Church But much was said on giving

seguno2:


How old are you?

What an absurd question ? You wan collect tithe on top my age ? foolishness

DeKen:

I don't get why you sound like you are making an accusation.

Melchizedek the Priest
7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

What about the verse 3? At a point like this where anger/accusation begins to set in, I'll bow out.

(Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!)

Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ...

This is pointing out that:

The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day.
Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time.

The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth.

Even as it is, there is no compulsion. God gave man a very important gift called choice. You can chose to worship God or not worship him. You can choose to stay in the old covenant or the new. If you are properly in the new covenant, you will even want to give more than 10 percent with understanding. You are not giving to the man of God who collects it. You are giving to God for his work. Some men of God draw salaries, some don't. But the ultimate purpose of giving in what ever name is for the advancement of the kingdom of God.

I won't argue with you any further.

Why did Jesus Christ and his apostles not collect tithe from their followers?

Joagbaje:

Jesus taught that men should tithe . That means he's a tither also

Funny ... What i delusion So when he taught about marriage did he marry ?? Please learn the bible for yourself ok Jesus didn't tithe neither did His disciples Tithe was never mentioned amongst the early Church But much was said on giving And note that Jesus cosidered tithe as a law Now are not under the law Neither are we required to follow anything concerning the law

Joagbaje:


Jesus taught that men should tithe . That means he's a tither also

I Was expecting you to come as usual on this page Mr joeagbaje To defend falsehood as usual, you are a known pretty liar after your False Hiv-Cure-miracle thing Was Exposed By SirJohn on Nairaland people should read this thread about you as a TESTIMONY before commenting on your post, https://www.nairaland.com/1995144/breaking-news-joagbajes-miracle-hiv you went hiding, welcome on board. all of you fraudulent pastors will be exposed one by one!

so jesus tithed according to your heresy abi.

THITHING WAS INDEED AND OLD TESTAMENT ISSUE,IT WAS MEANT FOR THE LEVETICAL PRIESTHOOD,IF YOU READ MATHEWS CHAPETER 23:1 TO THE END YOU WILL FIND THAT JESUS WAS GREATLY ANNOYED WITH THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES OVER MANY THINGS SUCH THAT HE REPEATEDLY PRONOUNCED WOE UNTO THEM,THE IN VERSE 23 HE TOUCHED ON THE ISSUE OF TIGHTING AND UNDERMINED IT, CONDEMNED THEIR APPROACH VEHEMENTLY ,THOUGH HE NEVER SAID IT WAS WRONG,VERY LIKELY BECAUSE HE WAS YET TO PAY THE SUPREME SACRIFICE WHICH WILL TOTALLY BRING AND END TO THAT CHAPTER,THIS WE GOT A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN PAUL PUT A FULL STOP TO THE ENTIRE MATTER IN HEBRW 7:5-22,IN VS 5.WHEN HE SAID THE LEVITE RECEIVED TIGHT ,BEING DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM,THEN IN VERSE 12,HE SAID SINCE THE PRIESTHOOD IS BEEN CHANGED THEN THERE CAME TO BE A NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW AS WELL,13.PAUL SAID FOR THE MAN WHOM THESE THING WERE SAID WAS OF ANOTHER TRIBE.VS 14 HE SAID FOR OUR LORD HAS DESCENDED FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH(NOT LEVITE),AND YET MOSES SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE PRIEST COMING FROM THAT TRIBE.VS.18 SAID,SO THEN,THE FORMER COMMANDMENT IS SET ASIDE BECAUSE IT IS WEAK AND INEFFECTIVE,VS 19.SAID THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT BUT AN INTRODUCTION OF A BETTER HOPE,VS 22 SAID JESUS HAS ACCORDINGLY BECOME THE GUARANTEE OF A BETTER COVENANT.


My brother what further explanation do we want,do not be misled for MANY false prophets and Christ with come out in the last days deceiving people with the false doctrines,stay close to your scriptures for God will never deceive you through his written word.Just go read it and ask for his direction,u will never again be deceived

jorez:
THITHING WAS INDEED AND OLD TESTAMENT ISSUE,IT WAS MEANT FOR THE LEVETICAL PRIESTHOOD,IF YOU READ MATHEWS CHAPETER 23:1 TO THE END YOU WILL FIND THAT JESUS WAS GREATLY ANNOYED WITH THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES OVER MANY THINGS SUCH THAT HE REPEATEDLY PRONOUNCED WOE UNTO THEM,THE IN VERSE 23 HE TOUCHED ON THE ISSUE OF TIGHTING AND UNDERMINED IT, CONDEMNED THEIR APPROACH VEHEMENTLY ,THOUGH HE NEVER SAID IT WAS WRONG,VERY LIKELY BECAUSE HE WAS YET TO PAY THE SUPREME SACRIFICE WHICH WILL TOTALLY BRING AND END TO THAT CHAPTER,THIS WE GOT A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN PAUL PUT A FULL STOP TO THE ENTIRE MATTER IN HEBRW 7:5-22,IN VS 5.WHEN HE SAID THE LEVITE RECEIVED TIGHT ,BEING DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM,THEN IN VERSE 12,HE SAID SINCE THE PRIESTHOOD IS BEEN CHANGED THEN THERE CAME TO BE A NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW AS WELL,13.PAUL SAID FOR THE MAN WHOM THESE THING WERE SAID WAS OF ANOTHER TRIBE.VS 14 HE SAID FOR OUR LORD HAS DESCENDED FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH(NOT LEVITE),AND YET MOSES SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE PRIEST COMING FROM THAT TRIBE.VS.18 SAID,SO THEN,THE FORMER COMMANDMENT IS SET ASIDE BECAUSE IT IS WEAK AND INEFFECTIVE,VS 19.SAID THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT BUT AN INTRODUCTION OF A BETTER HOPE,VS 22 SAID JESUS HAS ACCORDINGLY BECOME THE GUARANTEE OF A BETTER COVENANT.


My brother what further explanation do we want,do not be misled for MANY false prophets and Christ with come out in the last days deceiving people with the false doctrines,stay close to your scriptures for God will never deceive you through his written word.Just go read it and ask for his direction,u will never again be deceived

Well said bro
Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

This scripture should even scare them
But they still choose to follow the law

Junia:


Well said bro
Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

This scripture should even scare them
But they still choose to follow the law

DeKen and Co are Boxed to a corner propagating lies has a limit, almost 6yrs ago we have a tithe page with joeagbaje running up to page 40, now they are tired with consistent expose plus the fact that they could NOT SUSTAIN THEIR STRAW ARGUMENT

BERNIMOORE:
I Was expecting you to come as usual on this page Mr joeagbaje

Glad not to dissapoint you . Are you scared?

To defend falsehood as usual, you are a known pretty liar after your False Hiv-Cure-miracle thing Was Exposed By SirJohn on Nairaland people should read this thread about you as a TESTIMONY before commenting on your post, https://www.nairaland.com/1995144/breaking-news-joagbajes-miracle-hiv you went hiding, welcome on board. all of you fraudulent pastors will be exposed

Read the thread again.

freshcvvs:

As for Mathew 23:23, KJV didn't include any "income", I had to go back to my bible, the NKJV must have tipped that in to try to "cover" for the money excuse.

Kindly quote your KJV and see.

So you only prefer translations that speaks your mind

Joagbaje:


Glad not to dissapoint you . Are you scared?




Read the thread again.

Scared of what sir, That you openly lied and force a shameful lie on jesus that he tithed, Chai! you people needed to be Flogged like jesus did to those in the synagoge whom he accused of turning his father house to '' A-den of thieves''

Abeg all these pastors are NOT Levites and therefore should NOT receive tithes. However as Paul the apostle said we should give FREEWILL offerings to propagate the Kingdom of God. Freewill offering can be 2%, 10%, 50% etc...as you choose of your freewill.
Also all these pastors...one question for you...why don't you guys ever open branches in the remote areas that need the gospel why in London,New York, etc and then next private jet to take you there.

#TestEverything

Make una shine your eyes o!