frank317:


See ya life... Who is arguing with u on if burnt offering means sacrifice.... Incase u are lost, we are trying to understand the kind of SACRIFICE. So stop telling me burnt offering means sacrifice, u are not talking to uneducated kids

Are reverend fathers who give their life as service to God also giving Thier lives as burnt offering?

Like I said, u have given a whole new meaning to burnt offering. Tell the holy spirit who interpreted this for u that it has failed.

According to u, when an animal is given to God as burnt offering, it means it's life has been given to God as service to God.

This is shameful.

Splinz:


Read what you wrote again. Sorry, I can't take any sense out of it.

Splinz:


Read what you wrote again. Sorry, I can't take any sense out of it.

frank317:



Good, now close ur eyes in shame and declare u dishonest thread closed.

Next time when opening a thread to sell lies, remember that no everyone is a fool.

You're not making any sense bro. If you're through, kindly move aside for more intelligent comments from those who can understand.

Bye...

matrix600:
I see that, you obviously need sense, what part of giving your life to the service of god is classified as 'burnt'. Bros the verse is clear enough, 'burnt offering' means burnt offering.

You must be an idiot. Can't you express your own views without stooping to a slowpoke level

hopefulLandlord:
OP is just arguing by assertion

I'm not arguing anything with any body. I simply dropped my view and understanding.

If you no agree, my brother jump and pass... . Let me keep mine while you keep yours...

Splinz:


I'm not arguing anything with any body. I simply dropped my view and understanding.

If you no agree, my brother jump and pass... . Let me keep mine while you keep yours...

frank317:


Ur view is wack.next time u have such erroneous view keep it to urself and stop shamelessly bringing it out to public.

U can't deliberately bend the fact and expect to sell it to the public.

How in the word can u convince anyone that burnt offering means service to God?

hopefulLandlord:


actually you're the one trying very hard to force your own explanation on me and the readers



actually NO ONE in the entire bible except Jephthah ever vowed to sacrifice someone as a burnt offering to Yahweh either, i challenge you to bring anyone else who did and replaced the sacrifice with something else

the latter part of his vow made it very clear as day that he's talking burnt offering and that's a fact!!!!

he promised that whatever comes out would be Yahweh's, good! but he also added the burnt offering clause to it which makes it totally different from the offering you're trying to force me and other readers to accept

do not try to muddle things up by bringing unrelated bible verses into this discussion, such tricks can work when you're gathered with your fellows but not on Nairaland where everyone can think independently and bring objections and arguments; this is not a church

all you've done so far is try to bully someone into accepting that the latter part of his vow wasn't made

"whatever comes out shall be the Lord's and I shall offer it to you as BURNT offering"

you are not the first to open this kinda thread and you won't be the last

I've been through this twice before so bullying me to accept your tales would be pretty close to impossible, I'm not green behind the ears

the story is straightforward enough, doesn't need any other verse(s) elsewhere in the Bible for it

first was you talking "Bewailing" and you stopped when I showed bewailing has NOTHING to do with it, you also brought Hannah's sacrifice and I also showed she never promised anyone as "Burnt" offering, now you're talking "sacrifice of praise"

Lennycool:

Its funny how far they'll go to twist passages to their liking.
Just like all these apologist claiming slaves in the bible were trying to pay off dept and weren't treated badly.

hopefulLandlord:


like I said on another thread

I feel very sorry for most Christians who were indoctrinated and forced to accept this terrible doctrine without being told what it contains. Now they try to make sense of their worldview by making excuses for the text. It was written at a brutal time by less than moral people with the goal of controlling the masses, when you try to make it fit into today's world you have to twist the words pretty hard to make them jive.

In my experience, the more a professed Christian considers the Bible to be metaphorical, the more he or she displays the qualities of a good person whose actions are compatible with modern civilization.

As I’ve said to liberal Christians in the past, why not just dump the last bit of baggage you’re carrying and call yourself a humanist already? 99% of Christians from ages past would consider liberal Christians to be damned heretics. What does that say about your “interpretation?” What are your actual reasons for clinging to the last limp vestiges of a morally-obsolete bronze age superstition? Certainly, your reasons have nothing to do with the text of the Bible itself

Lennycool:

Its hard for some people to completely disregard what they were taught from birth.

Splinz:


And I said God never and will never ask for such a sacrifice because He clearly abhorred and condemned it in the strongest of terms.

Yes, He is not answerable to anyone. But at the same time, He doesn't abuse His powers!

randomperson:

The vow wasn't consecration, it was burning whatever was the first to come and greet him... He actually burnt his daughter... She bewailed her virginity because she was to die a virgin without any issue

Flygeriansteve:
The Bible actually talks about presenting our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable before God which is reasonable service. Now that is clear enough and is the type that Samuel underwent. But there's no other explanation to burnt offering. It was simply burnt to crisp and its smoke went up to heaven where God savoured it.
That's the fate Jephthah's daughter suffered.

Flygeriansteve:
The Bible actually talks about presenting our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable before God which is reasonable service. Now that is clear enough and is the type that Samuel underwent. But there's no other explanation to burnt offering. It was simply burnt to crisp and its smoke went up to heaven where God savoured it.
That's the fate Jephthah's daughter suffered.

Splinz:


You must be an idiot. Can't you express your own views without stooping to a slowpoke level

Splinz:


You mean it wasn't also sad enough that he was going to give up his one and only child to the services of God, without any hope of being a grandfather or preserving his lineage

matrix600:
you're crazy, your stupidity is quite amazing, telling us 'burnt offering' means service to god. Ridiculous.

Dummy!

Goalnaldo:
either way he should have known the consequences before uttering it,cos the bible says do not be quick to make a vow

I hear you, true. . At least he paid dearly for it by forfeiting his only child to chastity, thereby having no one to carry his line after their death. This is enough reason to make anybody sad.

Splinz:


Bro, I have seen both of these arguments, no be today.

It makes no sense at all to wail over your virginity instead of your actual dead.

I've done my own personal studies and reached conclusions. So, thanks for your input.

matrix600:
you're crazy, your stupidity is quite amazing, telling us 'burnt offering' means service to god. Ridiculous.

randomperson:

Actually, it does make sense to wail your virginity. At those times, having children was the point of being a woman, or a human being for that matter.. So if she had a child already, it won't be to tragic. But the tragedy was that she died without an issue....
This is the promise he made:
" 31 I will burn as an offering the first person that comes out of my house to meet me, when I come back from the victory. I will offer that person to you as a sacrifice.”
And the bible records that he fulfilled that promise. So who should I believe, the bible or Splinz

Hmm. I never knew you're now a believer bro, or is it only this story that you believed?... .

Anyways, God has never commanded a human burnt offering. So, what I believed is what I've stated and it is in perfect harmony with other Scriptures. Jephthah never burnt his daughter, and that's it.

Nobody is saying you shouldn't believe your own as an atheist or whatever. Great you guys are now believers of the Bible...

Splinz:


Hmm. I never knew you're now a believer bro, or is it only this story that you believed?... .

Anyways, God has never commanded a human burnt offering. So, what I believed is what I've stated and it is in perfect harmony with other Scriptures. Jephthah never burnt his daughter, and that's it.

Nobody is saying you shouldn't believe your own as an atheist or whatever. Great you guys are now believers of the Bible...

Splinz:


It didn't happened.

randomperson:

I wonder... When something as BURNT clearly written on it... Maybe he knows more than the bible

randomperson:

So the basis of your conclusion is that God has never commanded human killing?? He actually tested Abraham with that exact same thing. If God considered it so terrible, he wouldn't have tested Abraham with it.
The bible clearly says burnt offering, you can't prove that he said otherwise. You just looking for excuses to continue believing in a God that's so ostensibly evil.
BTW, the best books of fiction are a mixture of both facts and fiction. Just read any of Dan Brown's books.

Flygeriansteve:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:1 KJV
http://bible.com/1/rom.12.1.KJV

Break it down bro. Lets hear your understanding.

Splinz:


If an offering is not a service/sacrifice/honor to God then I seriously don't know how to inject some sense into that empty head of yours.

Dummy!

matrix600:
we're talking about 'burnt offering' here, in what way does service/sacrifice/honor to god translate as burnt. Wacko.

I do not owe you any explanation. I mean, not someone like you. I only deal with those sensible enough to present their arguments.

Bye...