annunaki2:


Yes their actions are instructed in the quoran, cause the quoran clearly states that you muslims should kill whoever insults the 'prophet' or Islam.

Citation please?

Farmerforlife:


You are saying the same thing and it is meaningless as evidence. You want to test what a mob will do. That is not evidence that it is acceptable in Islam.

Why would a mob in a mosque kill you for insulting Mohammad? Shouldn't there be someone, an imam a sheik or something, who knows that the Quran "kicks against" such?

I assure you that if you go to all the mosques in this world, even mecca, you will be beheaded for insulting Mohammad. You won't even have the opportunity to visit more than one before your flesh is ripped apart like salah ram.

Take up the test and prove me wrong.

Farmerforlife:


You are saying the same thing and it is meaningless as evidence. You want to test what a mob will do. That is not evidence that it is acceptable in Islam.

In this case the mob is influenced by Islam.

annunaki2:


In this case the mob is influenced by Islam.

Wrong, they are influenced by a non-scholarly idea of what they think Islam stipulates. It is not supported by the legal sources of Islam.

alBHAGDADI:
Why would a mob in a mosque kill you for insulting Mohammad? Shouldn't there be someone, an imam a sheik or something, who knows that the Quran "kicks against" such?

I assure you that if you go to all the mosques in this world, even mecca, you will be beheaded for insulting Mohammad. You won't even have the opportunity to visit more than one before your flesh is ripped apart like salah ram.

Take up the test and prove me wrong.

The imam is someone who led the prayer in the mosque, there is little assurance that he is knowledgeable Islamically... especially in countries where such leadership is not regulated by anyone. There are no assurances that there will be any knowledgeable scholar in any mosque at any point, or that the mob will follow his exhortations. That is also beside the point, like I said, mob action is not a source of Islamic law. You want to prove that Islam stiulates mob action on those that insult specific prophets, provide shari' evidence, our sources are not kept secret. Otherwise, you are indulging in mere speculation. Even your assurances are nothing more than prejudiced beliefs based on thin air. Give me one citation of any person having ever been ripped apart like 'salah ram' in any mosque in Saudi Arabia, on which you base your belief. Liars are never successful.

Farmerforlife:


Citation please?

Below is an hadith were Mohammad called for the murder of a man for maligning Allah and him.


Sahih Muslim (1801) -

"The Messenger of Allah said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger"

Farmerforlife:


Wrong, they are influenced by a non-scholarly idea of what they think Islam stipulates. It is not supported by the legal sources of Islam.

Are you saying the quoran is not a legal source in Islam Why do you lie so much to defend Islam? If you have to tell so many lies to defend your religion then something should tell you that there is something terribly wrong with it and deep inside you, you are ashamed of the religion. Why do you keep living in Islamic bondage when there is clearly a better way?

alBHAGDADI:
Below is an hadith were Mohammad called for the murder of a man for maligning Allah and him.


Sahih Muslim (1801) -

"The Messenger of Allah said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger"

I think you should read what annunaki was asked to cite. He/she said that "cause the quoran clearly states that you muslims should kill whoever insults the 'prophet' or Islam". Your citation is...

1. Not from the Quran.
2. Does not command us to kill anyone who insults the prophet or Islam.

annunaki2:


Are you saying the quoran is not a legal source in Islam Why do you lie so much to defend Islam? If you have to tell so many lies to defend your religion then something should tell you that there is something terribly wrong with it and deep inside you, you are ashamed of the religion. Why do you keep living in Islamic bondage when there is clearly a better way?

All I asked for was a citation from the Quran regarding mobbing someone who insults the prophet or Islam. How that is taken to mean that the Quran is not a legal source in Islam is beyond me. My exact words were...

"Citation please?"

Please keep off the emotional rants. I find them distasteful.

Btw, lying is definitely prohibited in Islam. It is most practised by Christians. If you have no further pertinent points to bring up, you will please excuse me. I have work to do.

Farmerforlife:


I think you should read what annunaki was asked to cite. He/she said that "cause the quoran clearly states that you muslims should kill whoever insults the 'prophet' or Islam". Your citation is...

1. Not from the Quran.
2. Does not command us to kill anyone who insults the prophet or Islam.

But the hadith records Mohammad ordering the killing of a man who is alleged to have insulted him and Allah. Read the account below or don't you believe in the hadiths anymore?


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."

Farmerforlife:


All I asked for was a citation from the Quran regarding mobbing someone who insults the prophet or Islam. How that is taken to mean that the Quran is not a legal source in Islam is beyond me. My exact words were...

"Citation please?"

Please keep off the emotional rants. I find them distasteful.

Btw, lying is definitely prohibited in Islam. It is most practised by Christians. If you have no further pertinent points to bring up, you will please excuse me. I have work to do.

Lying is highly practiced in Islam where it is recommended when one wants to deceive the unbeliever. It is call Al taquiya.

Below is an hadith that shows Mohammad himself endorsing LIE.


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."

alBHAGDADI:
But the hadith records Mohammad ordering the killing of a man who is alleged to have insulted him and Allah. Read the account below or don't you believe in the hadiths anymore?


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."

Let us take this point by point. Do you want to accept that the Quran does not order us to kill those who insult the prophet or Islam and agree that annunaki2 was lying, and that this hadith is your only evidence? If so, we can move on to discuss the virtue of this hadith as evidence of it being permissible for anyone to kill a person who has insulted the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) or any other prophet (ﷺ).

Farmerforlife:


Let us take this point by point. Do you want to accept that the Quran does not order us to kill those who insult the prophet or Islam and agree that annunaki2 was lying, and that this hadith is your only evidence? If so, we can move on to discuss the virtue of this hadith as evidence of it being permissible for anyone to kill a person who has insulted the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) or any other prophet (ﷺ).

Pls, I am not annunaki. Except you want to tell me that Muslims no longer believe in the Hadith.

Remember that your Quran tells you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Leaving Islam is equal to maligning and insulting it, cos it means the person can proudly say that Allah is not his god and Mohammad is a false prophet. That is why Muslims kill whoever leaves Islam cos they have insulted it.

There is nothing of virtue in that hadith cos it teaches 2 things: Lying is acceptable in Islam as endorsed by Mohammad and that anyone who insults Allah and Mohammad must be killed as also endorsed by Mohammad. Any other thing you want to say will amount to Al taquiya.

Read it again

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "YES," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "YOU MAY SAY IT."

Farmerforlife:


Let us take this point by point. Do you want to accept that the Quran does not order us to kill those who insult the prophet or Islam and agree that annunaki2 was lying, and that this hadith is your only evidence? If so, we can move on to discuss the virtue of this hadith as evidence of it being permissible for anyone to kill a person who has insulted the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) or any other prophet (ﷺ).

Do you reject this hadeth? Do you cherry-pick what you like in the hadith? Where do you get the 5 pillars of Islam from, the Quran or the hadith?

95% of sharia laws are from the hadeth and without the hadith and the sunnah, there will be no Islamic schools of taught and jurisprudence. Why reject the hadith anytime an hadith shows the evil in your prophet?

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, I am not annunaki. Except you want to tell me that Muslims no longer believe in the Hadith.

Yet you were citing on his/her behalf.

Remember that your Quran tells you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Leaving Islam is equal to maligning and insulting it, cos it means the person can proudly say that Allah is not his god and Mohammad is a false prophet. That is why Muslims kill whoever leaves Islam cos they have insulted it. [/quote]

Citation for the apostasy law in the Quran, as well as all your interpretations that follow please?

There is nothing of virtue in that hadith cos it teaches 2 things: Lying is acceptable in Islam as endorsed by Mohammad and that anyone who insults Allah and Mohammad must be killed as also endorsed by Mohammad. Any other thing you want to say will amount to Al taquiya.

Read it again

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "YES," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "YOU MAY SAY IT."
[/quote]

Wrong. The two teachings you derive from that hadith are not what Muslims derive. To our understanding, we believe that it is permitted to give false information only to an enemy in order to gain victory over him in war, and as for the case of Ka'b bin Ashraf, a command to kill an enemy of the state was given by the established authority to an agent of the state. The actual operational word is not 'maligned'. Your translation was derived from one of those anti-Islam sites. The actual word was 'azaa'; meaning to hurt or to work evil against. Ka'b bin Ashraf was instrumental in trying to set up alliances between the Quraysh pagans and the Jewish tribes to fight against the Muslims. His sins were many, and he was a true enemy provocateur in every sense of the word. That is why he was killed.

alBHAGDADI:
Lying is highly practiced in Islam where it is recommended when one wants to deceive the unbeliever. It is call Al taquiya.

Below is an hadith that shows Mohammad himself endorsing LIE.


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."

The Quran in surah 8:39, allahh/Mohammad asked Muslims to be harsh to non-muslims but merciful to themselves. What does this mean? You can be killed if you insult allahh and his assistant (apostle). Its like allahh and his apostle are partners and are on the same level.

Farmerforlife:


Yet you were citing on his/her behalf.

Remember that your Quran tells you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Leaving Islam is equal to maligning and insulting it, cos it means the person can proudly say that Allah is not his god and Mohammad is a false prophet. That is why Muslims kill whoever leaves Islam cos they have insulted it.

Citation for the apostasy law in the Quran, as well as all your interpretations that follow please?

There is nothing of virtue in that hadith cos it teaches 2 things: Lying is acceptable in Islam as endorsed by Mohammad and that anyone who insults Allah and Mohammad must be killed as also endorsed by Mohammad. Any other thing you want to say will amount to Al taquiya.

Read it again

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "YES," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "YOU MAY SAY IT."


Wrong. The two teachings you derive from that hadith are not what Muslims derive. To our understanding, we believe that it is permitted to give false information only to an enemy in order to gain victory over him in war, and as for the case of Ka'b bin Ashraf, a command to kill an enemy of the state was given by the established authority to an agent of the state. The actual operational word is not 'maligned'. Your translation was derived from one of those anti-Islam sites. The actual word was 'azaa'; meaning to hurt or to work evil against. Ka'b bin Ashraf was instrumental in trying to set up alliances between the Quraysh pagans and the Jewish tribes to fight against the Muslims. His sins were many, and he was a true enemy provocateur in every sense of the word. That is why he was killed.

You are being cosmetic with the truth. The fact remains that Mohammad was brutal and there is zero virtue in the hadith that encouraged lying and political assisination, unless you want to tell me that lying and assisination are good Islamic virtues. And fya, the word assassin is from an Arabic word 'hashashin' and the first political assisination in the history of man is carried out by Muslims. You seem to be a novice in Islamic history and religion.

If you go through the entire sahih bukari vol. 5 book 59, number 1 to the end, it is all about political killings and assassination and all was planned and endorsed by your prophet. How can an entire book be dedicated to a historical fact that sanctioned sanctioned political killings and the strategies to achieve that purpose? If you are sincere with yourself, you will understand that Mohammed was a first class murderer and hide under religion and a god to commit evil.

true2god:
You are being cosmetic with the truth. The fact remains that Mohammad was brutal and there is zero virtue in the hadith that encouraged lying and political assisination, unless you want to tell me that lying and assisination are good Islamic virtues. And fya, the word assassin is from an Arabic word 'hashashin' and the first political assisination in the history of man is carried out by Muslims. You seem to be a novice in Islamic history and religion.

If you go through the entire sahih bukari vol. 5 book 59, number 1 to the end, it is all about political killings and assassination and all was planned and endorsed by your prophet. How can an entire book be dedicated to a historical fact that sanctioned sanctioned political killings and the strategies to achieve that purpose? If you are sincere with yourself, you will understand that Mohammed was a first class murderer and hide under religion and a god to commit evil.

https://www.sahih bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php

The link above is an authorized hadith from Saudi Arabia official website on this issue. Read the entire hadith and draw a brief summary of the character of Mohammad. It is all in white and black, his atrocities are well documented in the hadith.

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, stay on topic or I report you to get banned for derailing.

And she's on topic abi

Farmerforlife:



Read it again

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "YES," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "YOU MAY SAY IT."


Wrong. The two teachings you derive from that hadith are not what Muslims derive. To our understanding, we believe that it is permitted to give false information only to an enemy in order to gain victory over him in war, and as for the case of Ka'b bin Ashraf, a command to kill an enemy of the state was given by the established authority to an agent of the state. The actual operational word is not 'maligned'. Your translation was derived from one of those anti-Islam sites. The actual word was 'azaa'; meaning to hurt or to work evil against. Ka'b bin Ashraf was instrumental in trying to set up alliances between the Quraysh pagans and the Jewish tribes to fight against the Muslims. His sins were many, and he was a true enemy provocateur in every sense of the word. That is why he was killed.

You say Islam permits Muslims to lie and deal falsely with enemies. See Bible verses that condemn all form of lies and also show that Satan is the father of lies. So, if Islam permits lies, then it means Satan is the father of Islam and lies. This clearly shows Muslims don't worship the God of the Bible.



Leviticus 19:11

Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

John 8:44

44 YOU BELONG TO YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the FATHER OF LIES.

Proverbs 13:5

The RIGHTEOUS HATE WHAT is FALSE, but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.

Proverbs 14:5

An honest witness does not deceive, but a false witness pours out lies.

Farmerforlife:


Wrong. The two teachings you derive from that hadith are not what Muslims derive. To our understanding, we believe that it is permitted to give false information only to an enemy in order to gain victory over him in war

Since your Quran and hadiths both agree that Jews and Christians are enemies of Islam, we can as well agree that you have been lying all these while when you say ISIS, Boko Haram, Fulani herdsmen, Al Qaeda, Al Shabab etc, who are waging war in Christian areas, are not muslims nor do they represent Islam. That is just your lie to Decieve the enemies in order to defeat them.

alBHAGDADI:
Answer the question or Runaway with your tail between your legs.

aminusanti the Al taquiya master, why were you peeping?

only peeping ur endless foolishness n stupidity sir, I see no reason why any1 should waste his time on this kind of baseless arguments. Slowly u r running out of things(rubbish) to say here on NL..
Funny clown b4 u use to blindly quote Quaranic scriptures to prove ur lies but u realized there is no gain doing that and now you are using few muslims behaviors to paint the whole islam n muslim....well done just keep rolling a time shall come wen no one will take u serious even ur fellow man worshipers, u should start noticing by now

alBHAGDADI:

You say Islam permits Muslims to lie and deal falsely with enemies. See Bible verses that condemn all form of lies and also show that Satan is the father of lies. So, if Islam permits lies, then it means Satan is the father of Islam and lies. This clearly shows Muslims don't worship the God of the Bible.



Leviticus 19:11

Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

John 8:44

44 YOU BELONG TO YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the FATHER OF LIES.

Proverbs 13:5

The RIGHTEOUS HATE WHAT is FALSE, but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.

Proverbs 14:5

An honest witness does not deceive, but a false witness pours out lies.

But Why are you quoting the old testament?
Leviticus
hahahaha, so now you are cherrypicking, lol

true2god:
'Mohammed is the only first class prophet recognized in Islam. Any other 'prophet is inferior to Mohammed'.

I mean that mohammed is the only person muslim revered, both in their prayers and in following his sunnah. In islam, nothing like the sunnah of Jesus, the sunnah of moses, the sunnah of Abraham, the sunnah of David, etc. The only sunnah the muslims endorsed, identified and followed is the sunnahh of the fake prophet mohammed.

To we christians mohammed is a false prophet, but to muslims he is a first class prophet, the last and the 'greatest' prophet (to muslims only). So I dont call him a first class prophet, I am only making reference to muslims' opinion on mohammed ibn abdullah.

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Bro, i understand. I know u will never call him first class. Its very important to always add "False" to MHMD because thats exactly what he was.

alBHAGDADI:
Why would a mob in a mosque kill you for insulting Mohammad? Shouldn't there be someone, an imam a sheik or something, who knows that the Quran "kicks against" such?

I assure you that if you go to all the mosques in this world, even mecca, you will be beheaded for insulting Mohammad. You won't even have the opportunity to visit more than one before your flesh is ripped apart like salah ram.

Take up the test and prove me wrong.

GBAM!

alBHAGDADI:
Then why don't Muslims kill all the atheists like jackbizzle, Seun, hopefullandlord, EyeHateGod etc who constantly insult Elijah, Moses, Jesus, Jeremiah etc?

Why only when it is Mohammad?

Can you call the name Yahweh in your mosques, since it is the name those other prophets whom you claim to believe in also to called on?

The bold QUESTION makes alot of sense. You are very smart to have thought about this.

alBHAGDADI:
Since your Quran and hadiths both agree that Jews and Christians are enemies of Islam, we can as well agree that you have been lying all these while when you say ISIS, Boko Haram, Fulani herdsmen, Al Qaeda, Al Shabab etc, who are waging war in Christian areas, are not muslims nor do they represent Islam. That is just your lie to Decieve the enemies in order to defeat them.

Your first premise is incorrect. The Quran and the hadith do not state anywhere that Jews and Christians are enemies of Islam... so the whole rest of your analysis is built on air. Only those who try to fight Muslims for their faith, or oppress us are considered as enemies of Islam.

aminusanti:
only peeping ur endless foolishness n stupidity sir, I see no reason why any1 should waste his time on this kind of baseless arguments. Slowly u r running out of things(rubbish) to say here on NL..
Funny clown b4 u use to blindly quote Quaranic scriptures to prove ur lies but u realized there is no gain doing that and now you are using few muslims behaviors to paint the whole islam n muslim....well done just keep rolling a time shall come wen no one will take u serious even ur fellow man worshipers, u should start noticing by now

I saw you peeping into the thread yesterday. Today, you have finally dropped a comment. Is this the weak comment that took you 24hrs to compose which still doesn't address the OP?

Farmerforlife:


Most probably, but that is not the point. Do they prove their actions from the Quran? Does the Quran tell us to take mob action against those who insult the prophets or anyone else?

Common, here are some passages in the koran which they use in justifying their action: These passages are for Sex slavery. Of whice isis uses when they capture female for intimacy objects. Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50.

Passages for war:
WAR
Ishaq:472 "Muhammad's Companions are the best in war."
Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."
Qur'an 8:45 "O believers! When you meet an army, be firm, and think of Allah's Name much; that you may prosper."
Qur'an 8:57 "If you meet them in battle, inflict on them such a defeat as would be a lesson for those who come after them, that they may be warned.

TERROR
Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.'"
Qur'an 8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur'an 8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
Ishaq:326 "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."
Qur'an 8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land."

Farmerforlife:


Mob decision is not one of the sources of sharia law. Your cited example is meaningless. We respect all prophets; believing them all to be messengers from God. We do not make derogatory remarks or draw insulting cartoons about any of them. We respect all of them, and we hope that we will be among those who will eventually join them in Paradise.

But you Muslims are servants of MHMD.

How insane to call MHMD Holy

Farmerforlife:


Your first premise is incorrect. The Quran and the hadith do not state anywhere that Jews and Christians are enemies of Islam... so the whole rest of your analysis is built on air. Only those who try to fight Muslims for their faith, or oppress us are considered as enemies of Islam.

Why are you full of lies? Your Quran says Christians have joined companions with Allah for declaring Trinity. So, you are ordered to terrorize them. Read below


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."


Why are Muslims forbidden toake friends with Christians if you say they don't see us as enemies?



Sahih Muslim (2167) - "Allah's Messenger said: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads FORCE him to go to the narrowest part of it."

Why would Mohammad tell muslims not to greet Christians if you say Muslims don't see us as enemies? He even said you Muslims should force us out of the way.



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Who are disbelievers the Quran ordered Muslims to kill, if not Christians and non-muslims who kick against Mohammad's falsehood?


The more you lie, the more you expose islam

Farmerforlife:


Your first premise is incorrect. The Quran and the hadith do not state anywhere that Jews and Christians are enemies of Islam... so the whole rest of your analysis is built on air. Only those who try to fight Muslims for their faith, or oppress us are considered as enemies of Islam.

Yet MHMD's last words before he died:

"MUHAMMAD Said this: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427

[MHMD was poisoned by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had worked its effect and made him suffered before his death. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha. This is enough to proved Christians and Jews are His enemies. And today Muslims hate the Jews and the Christians. Iran's nuclear aim is to Eradicate Israel from the surface of the Earth. The last time i heard. The Israeli Prime minister said. Iran wrote in Hebrew on their missile that. "They will erase Israel from Existing. I see Arabs hate Israel with so much passion. Muhammad pick up from where Sarah's slave the Egyptian woman stopped. This is from generation to generation. You are just deceiving yourself. The world is aware of this Historical hatred.