bigfrancis21:
Exactly, you are doing the same thing I mentioned earlier by inciting unnecessary troubles here. Sound like something is NOT the same as TO BE something. That Igala sounds like Yoruba does NOT mean it IS Yoruba. Of course, it is common knowledge that Igalas do not want to be called Yorubas and nobody is saying nor implying that here. It is often Yorubas that I see trying to claim Igalas. Therefore sounding like Yoruba does not mean it is Yoruba. Sometimes I wonder the level of English apprehension of many of our so-called graduates.

laudate:


Igala people speak Yoruba?? You have started with this your language-fishing expeditions, again. Last time, you were on a thread claiming that Ika people are Igbo or something. The argument about the Igbo, Igboiid and Edo origins of the Ika, has not yet been settled on that thread.

The dust you generated there, is still rising even as we speak. Now you have started with this your 'Igala vs Yoruba/Yoruboid languages' theory...may God deliver you from causing confusion.

Probz:
Quit throwing your dollies out the pram, kid. If you actually use your eyes to read you'll see that I was asking about the rate of Igala people speaking Yoruba in addition to their Yoruboid language. I didn't say anything wrong. Nonsense boy.

Probz:
Quit throwing your dollies out the pram, kid. If you actually use your eyes to read you'll see that I was asking about the rate of Igala people speaking Yoruba in addition to their Yoruboid language. I didn't say anything wrong.

And either you're taking the piss or confusing me with someone else since it wasn't even me who outright claimed Ika people are Igbo (more the opposite if anything). I've always said you're a very confused nigga and you're not doing much to make me think different. Know your place.

laudate:


Guy, you lot are well known for dictating to people who they should be, what ancestry they should claim and even what language they should speak, or what their languages sound like. You and your clique have done so, on different threads. Why can't you just allow people to decide for themselves what they truly are or what they want to be? Why can't you let them declare categorically what their language sounds like? Must you decide for them? can you see how you chaps just like causing confusion and trouble?

Like I said before let the Igala indigenes come in here, and say categorically what their language sounds like or not! To the best of my knowledge, I have NOT seen a yoruba community or group claiming that the Igalas are Yoruba, or trying to force a Yoruba identity upon them. They have not even claimed the Itsekiris as part of the Yoruba community. They respect their differences. It is only you and your people that like dragging other ethnic groups along with you. Chai!!

laudate:


You see... I do not like engaging toddlers like you. You chaps are often unable to sift fact from fiction. This was the same way you started on the 'Ika vs. Igbo origins' thread the last time, only for you & your clique to end up foisting a mono-Igbo identity on the Ika, even when the Ika people kept insisting on their dual-Igbo-and-Edo heritage. All kinds of postulations, insults and e-fisticuffs were exchanged on that thread.

You now want to go down the same route on this thread, not so? Hehehe.....your nonsense will not work!

Probz:
Kogi State probably stands out more than any other Nigerian state in its own unique way. I know it borders 9 states (10 including Abuja/F.C. territory), represents the main kind of ethnic groups in the whole of Nigeria (the northern/Hausa-inclined, Yoruba and Igbo + the likes of Idoma) and that the main three tribes are Igala, Okun (a Yoruba subgroup) and Igbira/Ebira. Anyone know if the case of Okun is similar to Ika/Ukwuani/Ikwerre (mere subgroups of an overarching tribe who have dissociated and don’t see themselves as Yoruba or Igbo) and what’s the case of Igala people speaking Yoruba in addition to their Yoruboid language, etc.?

Probz:
"]I’ve researched this topic for time and my understanding is that there's three distinct groups in Anioma (Delta Ibo) - two Edoid-Igboid (Ika, Ukwuani/Ndokwa) and one Igbo proper (Enuani), that the latter (the only genuine, authentic Igbos who inhabit Delta Igboland) can be found around Asaba/Oshimili/Aniocha area, that "Bendel Igbos," as my mum calls them, (Ika and Ukwuani people) are culturally Edoid groups who happen to speak Igboid languages and that close proximity and the vague similarity in language is why a people who are essentially Bini are lumped in with the real Delta Igbos (Enuani). In exactly the same sense as that if true Yorubas occupied an area in (let's just say) Delta State with Igalas and Itsekiris, all three groups would all be known as "Delta Yoruba" since they're all linguistically Yoruboid and because they'd share neighbouring proximity with each other, forgetting that there's only one true group of Yorubas who inhabit that area - i.e., the Yorubas, not the other two non-culturally Yoruba groups who happen to speak Yoruboid languages (and not even Yoruba proper).

I tend to agree with the assertion that one and only true Igbos of Anioma are Enuani since I've encountered Enuani Igbos who hail from Asaba who are in literally every respect just as Igbo as a typical south easterner from Enugu or Anambra and the Ika-Ukwuani (Bendel) stock people who speak languages that share similarities with Igbo but who you couldn't in a million years imagine sipping palmy and chopping nkwobi in Ishiagu and red cap. grin

Ditto for Rivers folk. I know authentic Igbos can be found in the Bonny-Opobo axis (said to be, at least in part, descendants of settlers from the Awka-Orlu axis) but as for Ikwerres, does the fact that they happen to speak an Igboid language mean that they're also culturally Igbo (or at least before the civil war) and could someone fill me in on the other Igboid/Igbo groups of Rivers (Etche, Ndoni, etc.). I've looked for info. online and there's next to nothing on Wikipedia at least for Etches.

My question is, could someone fill me in on the Ikas and Ukwuanis of Delta and the Ikwerre, etc., of Rivers? Ika and Ukwuani definitely don't fall under the banner of Igbo proper but Igboid in a linguistic sense (even if you might well argue that their dialect is more intelligible than Nsukka/Ebonyi dialects) but are these people culturally Igbo or Edoid, etc.? I've only researched this for some time so my understanding's limited but that's the conclusion through reading and my own experiences with some of these folk."

That was my first post on that Delta Igbo thread. It was me that was insisting that Ukwuanis and Ikas aren't Igbo but Edo-Igbo hybrids (I even used the term Edoid-Igboid) and that was my understanding at the time of making said thread.

Igala people aren't Yoruba and the language isn't but Yoruboid. An outsider like me can only go off intonation rather than individual lexicon but Igala when spoken is sounds very Yoruba-like and it forms a language cluster with Olukwumi, Itsekiri and Yoruba as Yoruboid languages. You were even the one telling me this on that oyibo vs. oyinbo thread so don't act like you suddenly no sabi.

Afam4eva:

Your posutlations seem to come from a place of personal opinion rather than facts. The fact that Enuani is more similar in dialect to mainstream Igbos or more accepting of their Igboness does not negate the fact that the Ika, Ukwuani and Ikwerre question is a settled one. You can't go about calling them Edos thereby disregarding the Igbo content inherent in them. There will be no need to argue whether Ika is Igbo or not wihtout any concrete evidence.

Anyways, i think what you should be saying instead, is those who have accepted their Igboness versus those who don't want to be called Igbos and would rather be called what they choose. For instance in rivers state, the Ikwerres are the most anti-Igbo Igbo elements but in places like Etche, it's not as hostile. Infact, a lot of Etche people have no problem if you call them Igbo, likewise people from the Egbema axis.

laudate:


Which worst? Did anyone say that I am like you? You guys are the ones that spark fire and brimstone over ethnic issues. It is only trouble makers like you, that like to decide what ethnicity a person should bear, and also go out of their way to determine what language sounds like the next, even when they cannot speak the languages in question.

Like I said, I am waiting for the Igala indigenes to come in here. Stop deciding for them, whether their language sounds Yoruba, Yoruboid or whatever.

YourNemesis:
Nobody is calling Igalas Yoruba, and Yorubas are clearly not claiming them in anyway, but the Language surely does sound Yoruba. I even learnt that in the core North, they are regarded as one and the same with Yoruba people.
What is your tribe sef.

laudate:


Guy, just leave me and these so-called 'Igbo/Igboiid clique' that like to determine other people's ethnicity for them. I never said that the Yorubas are claiming Igala. I just asked the so-called 'Igbo/Igboiid clique' to allow the Igalas to determine what their language sounds like, and allow the Igala indigenes to describe their own ethnicity by themselves.

Probz:
"I’ve researched this topic for time and my understanding is that there's three distinct groups in Anioma (Delta Ibo) - two Edoid-Igboid (Ika, Ukwuani/Ndokwa) and one Igbo proper (Enuani), that the latter (the only genuine, authentic Igbos who inhabit Delta Igboland) can be found around Asaba/Oshimili/Aniocha area, that "Bendel Igbos," as my mum calls them, (Ika and Ukwuani people) are culturally Edoid groups who happen to speak Igboid languages and that close proximity and the vague similarity in language is why a people who are essentially Bini are lumped in with the real Delta Igbos (Enuani). In exactly the same sense as that if true Yorubas occupied an area in (let's just say) Delta State with Igalas and Itsekiris, all three groups would all be known as "Delta Yoruba" since they're all linguistically Yoruboid and because they'd share neighbouring proximity with each other, forgetting that there's only one true group of Yorubas who inhabit that area - i.e., the Yorubas, not the other two non-culturally Yoruba groups who happen to speak Yoruboid languages (and not even Yoruba proper).

I tend to agree with the assertion that one and only true Igbos of Anioma are Enuani since I've encountered Enuani Igbos who hail from Asaba who are in literally every respect just as Igbo as a typical south easterner from Enugu or Anambra and the Ika-Ukwuani (Bendel) stock people who speak languages that share similarities with Igbo but who you couldn't in a million years imagine sipping palmy and chopping nkwobi in Ishiagu and red cap. grin

Ditto for Rivers folk. I know authentic Igbos can be found in the Bonny-Opobo axis (said to be, at least in part, descendants of settlers from the Awka-Orlu axis) but as for Ikwerres, does the fact that they happen to speak an Igboid language mean that they're also culturally Igbo (or at least before the civil war) and could someone fill me in on the other Igboid/Igbo groups of Rivers (Etche, Ndoni, etc.). I've looked for info. online and there's next to nothing on Wikipedia at least for Etches.

My question is, could someone fill me in on the Ikas and Ukwuanis of Delta and the Ikwerre, etc., of Rivers? Ika and Ukwuani definitely don't fall under the banner of Igbo proper but Igboid in a linguistic sense (even if you might well argue that their dialect is more intelligible than Nsukka/Ebonyi dialects) but are these people culturally Igbo or Edoid, etc.? I've only researched this for some time so my understanding's limited but that's the conclusion through reading and my own experiences with some of these folk."

That was my first post on that Delta Igbo thread. It was me that was insisting that Ukwuanis and Ikas aren't Igbo but Edo-Igbo hybrids (I even coined the term Edoid-Igboid) and that was my understanding at the time of making said thread.

Igala people aren't Yoruba and the language isn't but Yoruboid. An outsider like me can only go off intonation rather than individual lexicon but Igala when spoken sounds very Yoruba-like and it forms a language cluster with Olukwumi, Itsekiri and Yoruba as Yoruboid languages and you know this.

Probz:
No one's deciding anything about their ethnicity but their language is Yoruboid and that's for show to any casual observer. You've got no point.

bigfrancis21:
You are still not making sense. Much ado about nothing. Keep it up.

laudate:


Guy, save the epistle for your brethren. I do not need your long defensive explanation on the Ika/Ukwuani vs the Igbo/Igboiid ethnic question. There is no need to rehash it here. I followed that thread in detail, so do not digress from the main subject that is under discussion, here.

The issue is how you and your clique like ascribing a particular ethnic identity or ancestry to a group, without their permission. Na wetin?? Why not let the Igala indigenes themselves tell you what their language sounds like or what their ethnic identity is. You are the one to dictate to them that their language sounds Yoruboid, not so?? Wait first, do you speak Yoruba as well as Igala? So why all these postulations about how Igala is Yoruboid? Leave the Igala indigenes to tell you exactly what their own language sounds like.

If one of them comes in here, to say that their language is not Yoruboid, I know you and your clique would go up in arms trying to shove it down their throats, on how Yoruboid or how many Yoruba clusters their language belongs to! Leave Igala indigenes to determine what exactly their language is! Chai!

Probz:
Igala languished is officially classed as Yoruboid. That's what their language is defined as and this shakara you're doing on this thread doesn't change that.

laudate:


What is languished?? I no talk am? I knew you would go down this route. You started this thread on a note of enquiry, and you have now rushed into a definitive lane by dictating what kind of language Igala resembles, or what class it belongs to. Why am I not surprised?? Stop dictating to the Igala what their language is or what it is not!

bigfrancis21:


I've always concurred with this. This is an area that further linguistic studies need to be performed on. Standard Igbo has 36 letters of the alphabet and this is only for 'light' dialects like Onitsha, Enuani etc. Complex Igbo dialects like Ngwa, Ikwerre, Abiriba etc. have way more letters in their speech form, for example 'wh' (owho/ofo), 'nh' (inhe/ife) etc.) that could be up to 40 or 45 as the case may be.

laudate:


What is languished?? I no talk am? I knew you would go down this route. You started this thread on a note of enquiry, and you have now rushed into a definitive lane by dictating what kind of language Igala resembles, or what class it belongs to. Why am I not surprised?? Stop dictating to the Igala what their language is or what it is not!

YourNemesis:
What are you even talking about? I am guessing you are from one of these tribes in the NC that want to deny the linguinstic links of Yoruba and Igala.
If this language does not sound like Yoruba to you, then I don't know what will... Heck, I even understand some of it!.

Probz:
My friend shut up or commot for here. Igala is a Yoruboid language. End of.

Anyone can see languished was a typo for language.

laudate:


I don talk am! See dem! IPOB crew that have now decided to dictate to the Igala, the constituents of their language. Are you tired of dictating to the Ika on your other thread, that you have now come to face the Igala?

If you knew for a fact that it was a Yoruboid language, what was the essence of opening a whole thread? You wanted to advertise the fact that you knew more about the Igala language than the Igalas themselves, or you just felt like dictating to the Igalas what their language should be or what it sounds like? You and your clique have done it on other threads, so why am I not surprised?

Hug the nearest transformer with wet hands, if you don't like my comments! Raw-bb-ish!

Probz:
Hian. See mumu.

It wasn't me claiming Ika and Ukwuani people as Igbo initially. Go and read the thread.

This thread's not even about Igala people only but Kogi State as a whole. It's you who had to pick up on the Igala thing specifically and derail the thread. Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages and everybody knows that. Come and fight me from behind the screen na.

laudate:


See this one. You are now dodging the issue by saying that it wasn't you claiming "Ika and Ukwuani people as Igbo initially". Uh? You forgot that I read through all the pages on that thread and even made comments. You may not have claimed it initially, but you definitely ended up declaring it eventually to them and even supported those who were trying to drown out Ika voices, that kept insisting on their dual Edo/Igbo heritage. Now you are coming in here to form 'innocent.' Hehehe...we know your antics.

Continue with your recital, dictation, chants and advertisement of Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages. You will soon end up telling us what Kogi State is owing you by the time everyone gets to the end of this thread.We are watching, in 3D!

Probz:
The dodo I'm frying is about to burn so I won't even bother replying properly to any of that for now. All I can say is you've obviously got an agenda to push and you should look for a kiddies forum to post on. Any smart 17-year-old kid could come up with the nonsense you type on this forum.

Probz:


The dodo I'm frying is about to burn so I won't even bother replying properly to any of that for now. All I can say is you've obviously got an agenda to push and you should look for a kiddies forum to post on. Any smart 17-year-old kid could come up with the nonsense you type on this forum.

laudate:


Oga, what is your problem? Was my last remark addressed to you? You can guess as much as you like. That is your own kettle of fish. I told you before to leave me alone with this IPOB crew, who like to dictate to everybody what their ethnicity should be, and what their language sounds like. Instead, you are here trying to form I-too-know (ITK).Ok, the language in your videos does NOT sound Yoruba to me What will you now do? Carry Cane? Haba!! Face your calabash, o!

Let the Igala indigenes tell me what their language sounds like!

bigfrancis21:


Exactly, you are doing the same thing I mentioned earlier by inciting unnecessary troubles here. Sound like something is NOT the same as TO BE something. That Igala sounds like Yoruba does NOT mean it IS Yoruba. Of course, it is common knowledge that Igalas do not want to be called Yorubas and nobody is saying nor implying that here. It is often Yorubas that I see trying to claim Igalas. Therefore sounding like Yoruba does not mean it is Yoruba. Sometimes I wonder the level of English apprehension of many of our so-called graduates.

bigfrancis21:
Probz just quit responding to him. He's a known troll on this forum. In case you don't know he enjoys this thing he's doing.

YourNemesis:
lol, so what does it sound like to you? Gbagyi or Jarawa?
At this rate, It will probably take me less than 8 weeks to master the remaining rudiments of Igala language that are unknown to me.
I am even thinking of vacationing 1 month in Idah to do just that sef.

I know you have an agenda.... but try to be rational when trying to carry it out.

AkinPhysicist:
the emboldened is thrash

AkinPhysicist:


the emboldened is thrash