Now to all those who couldn't contain the urge to join the fray to question the integrity and innocence of Apostle Johnson Suleman, how far? Have you seen/heard the current news that the prostitute has declared him (the Apostle) innocent and that she was only trying to blackmail him?

I was bemused when I saw and heard people who claim in their doctrine that their spiritual leader is infallible casting aspersions on the integrity and possibility of the fallibility of the man of God. As a Minister I identified with the psychological travails and turmoil the man of God underwent but chose to hold my peace and await the vindication and eventual victory of the Apostle.

To all who thinks that being logical and pragmatic on matters as spiritual as this gives them a learned view and conclusion, I say to you desist forthwith from holding a mental or verbal take on matters far beyond your limited and confined mental capacity. The Bible says 'who shall bring a charge on whom God has chosen' Roman's 8:33. It is a question.

Lastly If I were your dad and someone accuses me of something, and you being my child questions me about it or even whisper it outside, it shows how irresponsible and disloyal a child you are. It is written 'let ALL man be a liar and let God be true'! Roman's 3:4. If we can, as Christians only allow God speak the truth where we are in doubt, and discontinue this habit of trying to help the unbelievers tarnish the image of Christ and lead them to assume that we are divided, then the day of perfection is near. Shalom.

nocera:
Now to all those who couldn't contain the urge to join the fray to question the integrity and innocence of Apostle Johnson Suleman, how far? Have you seen/heard the current news that the prostitute has declared him (the Apostle) innocent and that she was only trying to blackmail him?

I was bemused when I saw and heard people who claim in their doctrine that their spiritual leader is infallible casting aspersions on the integrity and possibility of the fallibility of the man of God. As a Minister I identified with the psychological travails and tomoil the man of God underwent but chose to hold my peace and await the vindication and eventual victory of the Apostle.

To all who thinks that being logical and pragmatic on matters as spiritual as this gives them a learned view and conclusion I say to you desist forthwith from holding a mental or verbal take on matters far beyond your limited and confined mental capacity. The Bible says 'who shall bring a charge on whom God has chosen' Roman's 8:33. It is a question.

Lastly If I were your dad and someone accuses me of something and you being my child questions me about it or even whisper it outside, it shows how irresponsible and disloyal a child you are. It is written 'let ALL man be a liar and let God be true'! Roman's 3:4. If we can, as Christians only allow God speak the truth where we are in doubt and discontinue this habit of trying to help the unbelievers tarnish the image of Christ and lead them to understand that we are divided then the day of perfection is near. Shalom.

Wrong! If a child hears his dad being accused and politely questions him in order to hear his own side of the story, its a very mature,correct and sensible thing to do.

If the integrity of a man of God is in question, Christians have a right to seek answers and confirm to truth.

If a man of God soils his reputation and does what is abominable, its totally right for Christians all over to condemn his act.It would be totally wrong to pat him in the back all because he's a Christian.

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WeNoGoDie:



Wrong! If a child hears his dad being accused and politely questions him in order to hear his own side of the story, its a very mature,correct and sensible thing to do.

If the integrity of a man of God is in question, Christians have a right to seek answers and confirm to truth.

If a man of God soils his reputation and does what is abominable, its totally right for Christians all over to condemn his act.It would be totally wrong to pat him in the back all because he's a Christian.

Thank you for reading my post sir. But in the light of the scriptures, when Prophetess Miriam, the elder sister of Moses and Aaron, his older brother also questioned his decision to marry a foreigner (an Ethiopian woman, Zipporah) as that was against their custom which even he, Moses subscribed to ,God's judgment fell on her, that is, Miriam. Numbers 12:1.. So I had that in mind sir when I held my opinion about a child who questions authority especially spiritual authority.

nocera:

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[right][/right] Thank you for reading my post sir. But in the light of the scriptures, when Prophetess Miriam, the elder sister of Moses and Aaron, his older brother also questioned his decision to marry a foreigner (an Ethiopian woman, Zipporah) as that was against their custom which even he, Moses subscribed to ,God's judgment fell on her, that is, Miriam. Numbers 12:1.. So I had that in mind sir when I held my opinion about a child who questions authority especially spiritual authority.

My brother let us always look at the complete context of things in the Bible. Yes Mariam and Aaron criticised Moses and GOd chastised them. The chastisement was not because of what they said in verse 1 but what they said in verse 2.

*[[Num 12:1-2/KJV]]And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. v 2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

So that verse 2 error which was challenging spiritual authority and subtle rebellion is what He chastised them for .


[[Num 12:6-8/KJV]]And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. v 7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. v 8With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?


God was telling them that yes I speak to you guys too but I speak to Moses at a much higher level but for not recognizing hierarchy and showing some form of rebellion against Moses I will punish you.

God told David that I will punish you because you gave opportunity to the enemies of God to blaspheme by this your act. So when people seek clarification from him it is not disrespect, the name of the Lord is involved here.
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[[2Sa 12:14]] KJV* Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.


Now see what JEsus told the church of Ephesus

*[[Rev 2:2]] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Jesus is commending the church for checking out things and confirming the claims of even apostles. Let's be guided by the whole truth. Thank you

Which current news from who?my Friend stop deceiving yourself.

alobright17:
Which current news from who?my Friend stop deceiving yourself.

I was going to ask same question but decided to correct the error in scriptural interpretation first.

nocera:
Now to all those who couldn't contain the urge to join the fray to question the integrity and innocence of Apostle Johnson Suleman, how far? Have you seen/heard the current news that the prostitute has declared him (the Apostle) innocent and that she was only trying to blackmail him?

I was bemused when I saw and heard people who claim in their doctrine that their spiritual leader is infallible casting aspersions on the integrity and possibility of the fallibility of the man of God. As a Minister I identified with the psychological travails and tomoil the man of God underwent but chose to hold my peace and await the vindication and eventual victory of the Apostle.

To all who thinks that being logical and pragmatic on matters as spiritual as this gives them a learned view and conclusion I say to you desist forthwith from holding a mental or verbal take on matters far beyond your limited and confined mental capacity. The Bible says 'who shall bring a charge on whom God has chosen' Roman's 8:33. It is a question.

Lastly If I were your dad and someone accuses me of something and you being my child questions me about it or even whisper it outside, it shows how irresponsible and disloyal a child you are. It is written 'let ALL man be a liar and let God be true'! Roman's 3:4. If we can, as Christians only allow God speak the truth where we are in doubt and discontinue this habit of trying to help the unbelievers tarnish the image of Christ and lead them to understand that we are divided then the day of perfection is near. Shalom.

Let all man be lair,so why not allow the accuser to be lying and stop trying to defend the person she's lying against? If the man Bleep do you expect him to just say yes he did?if you defend him here finish be ready to defend him before the judgement table on the last day were he can't deny anything. If David can kill because of woman who is Suleiman?

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[right][/right] Thank you for reading my post sir. But in the light of the scriptures, when Prophetess Miriam, the elder sister of Moses and Aaron, his older brother also questioned his decision to marry a foreigner (an Ethiopian woman, Zipporah) as that was against their custom which even he, Moses subscribed to ,God's judgment fell on her, that is, Miriam. Numbers 12:1.. So I had that in mind sir when I held my opinion about a child who questions authority especially spiritual authority.

Thank you for your very civil response. But with all due respect, the story of Aaron, Miriam and Zipporah does not apply here.


The case at hand is a case of most abominable kind of adultery at a time this very evil is very rampant among so called men of God. Christians have every right to be suspicious and also question events till the so called man of God is cleared.


In Moses case he wanted to marry and marriage is not a sin. Aaron and Miriam should have politely met him in private and express their concerns, instead they began to condemn and openly speak evil
against him on the matter when its obvious he didn't commit a sin.


Had it been a case that Moses committed adultery, don't you think God would have punished them if they failed to condemn Moses on the matter?

nocera:

To all who thinks that being logical and pragmatic on matters as spiritual as this gives them a learned view and conclusion I say to you desist forthwith from holding a mental or verbal take on matters far beyond your limited and confined mental capacity. The Bible says 'who shall bring a charge on whom God has chosen' Roman's 8:33. It is a question.

Lastly If I were your dad and someone accuses me of something and you being my child questions me about it or even whisper it outside.

Misuse of Bible quotations and a hallmark of products of Pentecostal bible schools.
You have adjudged him a man of God and one whom God has chosen already yet you threaten many who think he is not or has never been to desist from airing their views under this circumstance.
It is similar to the nonsense I hear people under the tutelage of false prophets say don't 'judge' him whether he is a true or false prophet. They threaten, curse, demonize and intimidate people using upturned Bible quotations.

The goodnews is that only very few people in the cages of false prophets are intimidated and prevented from expressing their displeasure. This is the reason Madam Judge was able to put His Holiness Reverend Prophet King where he should be - death by hanging
For your info, Rev King was a miracle performer, he gave children to the barren, claimed to cure HIV and was a Philanthropist

nocera:

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[right][/right] Thank you for reading my post sir. But in the light of the scriptures, when Prophetess Miriam, the elder sister of Moses and Aaron, his older brother also questioned his decision to marry a foreigner (an Ethiopian woman, Zipporah) as that was against their custom which even he, Moses subscribed to ,God's judgment fell on her, that is, Miriam. Numbers 12:1.. So I had that in mind sir when I held my opinion about a child who questions authority especially spiritual authority.

Mister, I'll very glad if you can put up the YouTube link of where the lady confessed. If you can't, then it'll be very unfortunate to be lying just to defend someone you really don't know.

brotherly:


My brother let us always look at the complete context of things in the Bible. Yes Mariam and Aaron criticised Moses and GOd chastised them. The chastisement was not because of what they said in verse 1 but what they said in verse 2.

*[[Num 12:1-2/KJV]]And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. v 2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

So that verse 2 error which was challenging spiritual authority and subtle rebellion is what He chastised them for .


[[Num 12:6-8/KJV]]And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. v 7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. v 8With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?


God was telling them that yes I speak to you guys too but I speak to Moses at a much higher level but for not recognizing hierarchy and showing some form of rebellion against Moses I will punish you.

God told David that I will punish you because you gave opportunity to the enemies of God to blaspheme by this your act. So when people seek clarification from him it is not disrespect, the name of the Lord is involved here.
*
[[2Sa 12:14]] KJV* Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.


Now see what JEsus told the church of Ephesus

*[[Rev 2:2]] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Jesus is commending the church for checking out things and confirming the claims of even apostles. Let's be guided by the whole truth. Thank you

Well written sir! I like the way you juxtaposed scriptures. You made sense in all the points

But according to that same Book of Numbers 12:1, 2 when Moses' older siblings spoke against him... Don't you think it's the elders (in this case, religious leaders) that ought to rebuke another elder? Mind you, I'm not writing for the general opinion I'm writing for the Christians.

In the case of King David, prophet Nathan was sent by God to rebuke him and David was convicted of sin and pleaded for mercy. Nowhere did anyone in the family of the king or, the nation as a whole lift up their voice to question David's actions, no matter how despicable!

If you check again in Genesis 9:22, Noah was drunk and was lying in his tent. Ham, one of his sons invaded his privacy and came out and told his brothers. God placed a curse on him. Why then should we repeat stories or peddle rumours about dignitaries such as the subject in question.

Lastly, as you said Jesus Himself was commending the church...yes the LEADERS, the true offsprings of His disciples and not any layman He saw in church! Could you sir, confront your pastor, imam or the leader of whatever creed you profess if you're not at par with him in rank or status with an allegation such as the one Apostle Suleman had? Again sir, I submit that questions such as the integrity of spiritual men be left to God.

Sheggy13:

Mister, I'll very glad if you can put up the YouTube link of where the lady confessed. If you can't, then it'll be very unfortunate to be lying just to defend someone you really don't know.

And how do you know I REALLY don't know him? So every confession you made is in YouTube?

Topgainer:

Misuse of Bible quotations and a hallmark of products of Pentecostal bible schools.
You have adjudged him a man of God and one whom God has chosen already yet you threaten many who think he is not or has never been to desist from airing their views under this circumstance.
It is similar to the nonsense I hear people under the tutelage of false prophets say don't 'judge' him whether he is a true or false prophet. They threaten, curse, demonize and intimidate people using upturned Bible quotations.



The goodnews is that only very few people in the cages of false prophets are intimidated and prevented from expressing their displeasure. This is the reason Madam Judge was able to put His Holiness Reverend Prophet King where he should be - death by hanging
For your info, Rev King was a miracle performer, he gave children to the barren, claimed to cure HIV and was a Philanthropist

You made little sense...

What are you trying to say?

nocera:


And how do you know I REALLY don't know him? So every confession you made is in YouTube?

This lady is still going ahead granting interviews, soiling the apostle's name. The apostle said on YouTube like a week ago now she'll confess in 24 hours. If she'd truly confessed, he won't hesitate to quickly put it on cyberspace so the whole world will know he has been vindicated. I repeat, show us a video confession or keep your lie to yourself.

WeNoGoDie:




Thank you for your very civil response. But with all due respect, the story of Aaron, Miriam and Zipporah does not apply here.


The case at hand is a case of most abominable kind of adultery at a time this very evil is very rampant among so called men of God. Christians have every right to be suspicious and also question events till the so called man of God is cleared.


In Moses case he wanted to marry and marriage is not a sin. Aaron and Miriam should have politely met him in private and express their concerns, instead they began to condemn and openly speak evil
against him on the matter when its obvious he didn't commit a sin.


Had it been a case that Moses committed adultery, don't you think God would have punished them if they failed to condemn Moses on the matter?

Thank you sir... But your submission that my above mentioned Biblical characters do not hold any relevance in this case is unwelcome.

The case of King David was that of adultery and murder, among other things but God chose a prophet...not any ordinary man to speak God's mind to David. I think our conclusions on this matter and related matters stems from our suspicions and bias of men of God, instead of the fear of sacred truths.

nocera:


Thank you sir... But your submission that my above mentioned Biblical characters do not hold any relevance in this case is unwelcome.

The case of King David was that of adultery and murder, among other things but God chose a prophet...not any ordinary man to speak God's mind to David. I think our conclusions on this matter and related matters stems from our suspicions and bias of men of God, instead of the fear of sacred truths.

God chose a prophet to tell David because David's adultery was done in secret and Israel didn't know it.

If David had done that evil openly, any Israelite would have been on the side of God when they openly condemn David.

Like someone mentioned earlier, you need to apply the scriptures correctly else there's great error.

The scriptures is filled with instructions admonishing us to condemn evil no matter the status of the person committing it. Thats why there's evangelism.

John the Baptist was beheaded for openly condemning Herod for taking his brothers wife.

These are scriptural instructions and has nothing to do with bias for any men of God anywhere.

nocera:


Thank you sir... But your submission that my above mentioned Biblical characters do not hold any relevance in this case is unwelcome.

The case of King David was that of adultery and murder, among other things but God chose a prophet...not any ordinary man to speak God's mind to David. I think our conclusions on this matter and related matters stems from our suspicions and bias of men of God, instead of the fear of sacred truths.

Bros David was a king, he had both spiritual and political power. It was not his spiritual standing that would have restrained the people from confronting him. If someone can arrange to kill another man and take his wife na you wey come accuse am go stay alive.

But God said he had given even enemies possibly outside Israel a reason to blaspheme. Did you hear GOd say he was going to punish them?

In this case some of us are not accusing him but need him to clarify issues. If he clarified and possibly confessed he made some mistakes and some people go on abusing him, then you can talk spiritual authority.

For now he needs to speak especially as he is trying to rope the church into the matter as witchhunt for his stance against Fulani herdsmen. .

Oga pastor.. I understand where you are coming from, you seems to be a junior pastor that has senior Pastors you held esteem in your place of worship but it will be an error for you if you follow them sheepishly.. The Bible says we should diligently search all things and let the truth be established. Although we are not enjoined to condemn any one and if an elder in the church did a wrong thing it is not for the youth to start questioning and making mockery of such but the administration of such church has the authority to question the pastor, established the truth and mete proper justice to the situation, Christ is the head of the church. I have worked with few Pastors even though am still young and just about to begin, I discovered that many Pastors that established church put themselves ontop of the church, they don't want anybody to question their activities and many of them grow weak in the sight of young girls, some even patronize prostitutes,I know what am saying. It's true that is their weak point that the devil is using against them but when such happens they shouldn't become hardened but should surrender themselves to the mercy of God and depart from such frivolities, because God never changed, His standard stands forever. So whether I condemn the apostle or not it doesn't change anything, its between him and God and the woman.