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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by bkool7(m): 1:49pm On Apr 03, 2017
Rapmoney:
This does not have anything to do with tax. That churches do not pay tax doesn't have anything to do with people's fundamental rights. The victim is a Nigerian citizen and the rights enshrined in the constitution are suppose to cover him. He is not a Vietnamese for crying out loud!

since we are speaking of rights of citizens under the constitution .

Dont you think payment of taxes is enshrined in the constitution too.

After all, give what is Ceasar unto Ceasar
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Kondomatic(m): 1:51pm On Apr 03, 2017
bkool7:


For christ sake...people that buy from me pay taxes . That means I don't need to pay tax !
People that buy from you bah?


Do I still need to say more??



You cannot ask a pastor to pay tax just because his members donated money to him, asking churches to pay tax is akin to asking charity organizations to pay tax.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by shurlermoz(m): 1:51pm On Apr 03, 2017
Thats how some people are crying about Audu Maikori's twitter blunder.
Of course there is freedom of speech but everybody should be mindful of who gets hurt when you are done exercising your freedom of speech.
Your freedom of speech shdnt affect another persons freedom of living.

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by gbmclub: 1:52pm On Apr 03, 2017
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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Nobody: 1:52pm On Apr 03, 2017
Sketchandcraft:
most churches are biz centers and most pastors are fake if not that we are poverty ridden country all this pastors should have been beggars.
I believe if Govt mandate them to pay tax they will start fixing amount to pay for offerings and will be rejecting some titthes and offering in some cases...
people have been ranting about churches since the 90's when it's obvious God has a hand in it. In 10 years, you will be saying same whilst mega churches would have more than tripled. Your thoughts and rants changes nothing. Keep it to yourself.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Nobody: 1:52pm On Apr 03, 2017
EgunMogaji:


I still do not understand why this is not a simple civil case.

The OPs write up makes me sad to be a Nigerian.

He writes fluently but he's no better than those that support jungle justice. Because frankly this is what this is.
because many thanks you do not know the laws guiding the profession " journalism". In this case, many of you should shut up first, learn and then comment.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by bkool7(m): 1:52pm On Apr 03, 2017
Rapmoney:
In the first place, this is a case of violating the rights of a citizen; it has nothing to do with taxation. I made reference to Christ paying tax to explain a point that you cannot separate the citizens from the state irrespective of religious doctrines or affiliations. He is supposed to know that.

The people calling on him to forgive are fully aware of rights under the constitution too.
what theyre saying is , despite all that he should be Christ like
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by bkool7(m): 1:54pm On Apr 03, 2017
Kondomatic:
People that buy from you bah?


Do I still need to say more??



You cannot ask a pastor to pay tax just because his members donated money to him, asking churches to pay tax is akin to asking charity organizations to pay tax.

I was sarcastically following your logic
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Nobody: 1:55pm On Apr 03, 2017
majekdom2:
because many thanks you do not know the laws guiding the profession " journalism". In this case, many of you should shut up first, learn and then comment.

Your request is denied.

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Kondomatic(m): 1:56pm On Apr 03, 2017
bkool7:


I was sarcastically following your logic
Your sacarsm is so advanced that I took it seriousgringringrin
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by DeRay98(m): 1:59pm On Apr 03, 2017
You see all the Pastor haters condemning the pastor for not "showing mercy" because it has become clear that Ms Olunloyo is in trouble. But if she had managed to produce "some leaky evidence" to support her claims just as Ms Otobo did with the help of Keyamo and Co. against another Pastor these people would have cried "she is right, the Pastor is quilty".
Now, they are quoting the Bible they love to destroy and query the validity of the content.
You see one of their own is down and they pleading for mercy.
People love to pull down anybody who attempt to talk or promote unright living or behaviour.

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by AntiWailer: 2:02pm On Apr 03, 2017
silentshots:



And who says they don't pay tax?

They don't.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Sketchandcraft(m): 2:03pm On Apr 03, 2017
chloedogie:


Can you walk into a shrine and tell this to the Babalawo you meet there? Do you know how many shrines we have all over the country? When it comes to God you guys just talk as you wish. People who patronize the shrines too also pay money to the babalawos. Why not enter one and claim govt tax? And either you like it or not, churches are not industries and will never be.
80 percent of this so called pastors are babalawo ... All need to be taxed as long as you are doing business whether religious or not...
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by bkool7(m): 2:06pm On Apr 03, 2017
gbmclub:
I am not an adherrant to the bible, bt to defend dis man i nid to remind u of a particular event in the bible where jesus flogged d money doublers and threw them away from the house of God. He could hav forgiven them!

Ur repution is all u hav so defend it at all cost
Robert Greene

We are speaking of a pastor here and we want him to demostrate the attribute of a ChristIan that's why we are remaining him ( not begging ) to forgive - in case he forgot . Not that I'm not aware his rights under the constitution.

And please , can you kindly qoute where Jesus flogged someone in the bible . Don't twist the Bible just to buttress your argument .


New American Standard Bible Matthew 21:12

And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all
those who were buying and selling in the temple,
and overturned the tables of the money changers
and the seats of those who were selling doves.







Gods reputation matters more than your reputation .
Who are we?

when you're in Christ you think more of God and less of yourself .

You must even humilate yourself , if need be , to promote God
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by guiddoti: 2:09pm On Apr 03, 2017
God will soon expose all fake pastors shortly.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Fhowe: 2:18pm On Apr 03, 2017
i dont have any issue with fake pastor or original pastor but i am happy atleast someone is man enough to really put this bloggers where they belong too many crap journalism these days and one thing i dont like about nigerians once something is trending we tend to over do things we are all humans we all feel some people like their private quiet life .When she was busy calling names looking for traffic and attention at all cost people kept warning her abeg let her face what she bargained for linda ikeji and likes learn find out things very well before you come online to paint people bad .If you are a victim of false media publicity or stories or you are a family member to such people you will know how it feels .Just a little illustration imagine yourself repeating the same explanation to different set of people everyday for the next two to 3 months it is not funny

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Nobody: 2:20pm On Apr 03, 2017
Kondomatic:
Any church that has schools or anything it earns money from should pay tax for that but the Church itself should not be taxed because church money are contributed by people who pay taxes.
even the money used to build the schools are contributed by people who pay taxes.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Rapmoney(m): 2:50pm On Apr 03, 2017
majekdom2:
how will she pay if she is not taken to court? Where is the use of influence? Why would you publish a fake news about someone you know has influence more than you? Will you go on TV for instance and say Buhari sleep with your mother? Many of you need checkup really.
That's where their ignorance lies. If u check well, many of these folks who are criticizing Ibiyiomie for pursuing his rights would have called for the head of the man who named his dog after Buhari some time ago.

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Rapmoney(m): 2:56pm On Apr 03, 2017
bkool7:


We are speaking of a pastor here and we want him to demostrate the attribute of a ChristIan that's why we are remaining him ( not begging ) to forgive - in case he forgot . Not that I'm not aware his rights under the constitution.

And please , can you kindly qoute where Jesus flogged someone in the bible . Don't twist the Bible just to buttress your argument .


New American Standard Bible Matthew 21:12

And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all
those who were buying and selling in the temple,
and overturned the tables of the money changers
and the seats of those who were selling doves.







Gods reputation matters more than your reputation .
Who are we?

when you're in Christ you think more of God and less of yourself .

You must even humilate yourself , if need be , to promote God
In ur quiet time, search ur heart very well and tell me if u would type what u typed if Ibiyiomie was a Bhuddist, considering the fact that everyone irrespective of religious backgrounds comes under the laws of the state.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by dragonking3: 2:56pm On Apr 03, 2017
illegalGangla:
Weti this opolo sorry op dey talk......a servant should do like His master...pastors should behave like Jesus...he was called a liar,prince of demons and so many names yet he didn't even say a word to defend himself.

Ibiyeomie na big maluu.
He is a liar
And God wet dey expose go expose am.....
Look him babas them which of then sue...?

If you no know wet in to talk op go dey watch African magic
Is aunty Kemi not a Christian? So why isn't she behaving like one?

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by dragonking3: 2:58pm On Apr 03, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
@rapmoney
Mathew 5:44

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,



Pastor Ibiyeomie calls Christ his Lord but failed to do what Jesus said he should do.

Luke 6:46

And why call me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
From what you wrote, Kemi is a Christian and she is currently being persecuted right? So she better start praying for the pastor

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by dragonking3: 3:01pm On Apr 03, 2017
symbianDON:
I stopped reading at the point were the op said the said pastor is first a Nigerian. I personally think it's wrong. every Christian ought to see himself first as a Christian before considering his nationality. yes! the blogger woman went beyond her boundaries by miles but the question is, 'what would Jesus have done if it were Him in the pastor's place?'.....this ought to form the basis upon which a Christian should take decisions in critical matters as this. this is my personal opinion though.
Is aunty Kemi not also a Christian? Will Jesus do what she has done?

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by VULCAN(m): 3:06pm On Apr 03, 2017
Don't get it twisted. She defamed a man, not a church.

His occupation means little in this case as the law does not say if you are a pastor you cannot defend your human rights.

AntiWailer:
Then safe to say Churches and Pastors should start paying tax.

You can not enjoy privileges under religion and when it comes to acting what you preach we say it is two consenting adults sleeping with one another or fighting.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by dragonking3: 3:07pm On Apr 03, 2017
AntiWailer:
Then safe to say Churches and Pastors should start paying tax.

You can not enjoy privileges under religion and when it comes to acting what you preach we say it is two consenting adults sleeping with one another or fighting.
As usual, always talking without due thoughts. Is it the church she defamed or the man himself?
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by owoshuyi(m): 3:09pm On Apr 03, 2017
Foolish and hypocritical Nigerians condemning the Pastor as if na dem holy pass. Una even dey obey wetin bible talk sef? smh
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by dragonking3: 3:10pm On Apr 03, 2017
olalol:
Is the offence not bailable?
Who wants to bail her? You? Even her own family are happy that she is arrested that's why no one is ready to bail her.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by AntiWailer: 3:11pm On Apr 03, 2017
dragonking3:
As usual, always talking without due thoughts. Is it the church she defamed or the man himself?

Lol.

Who is spending the money meant for the church ?

God ?

On thoughts, trust me u are no match.
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by sirpharrell(m): 3:11pm On Apr 03, 2017
Rapmoney:
Just recently, we have seen countless posts and articles on why Pastor David Ibiyiomie isn't acting like a Christian or why he should stop 'persecuting' the blogger, Kemi Olunloyo, a woman well known for her frequent defamation of people's character (a crime under the law) and her 'garage journalism' all in the quest to be famous.

Firstly, we should see Pastor Ibiyiomie as a bonafide citizen, a Nigerian, before we take a look at his religious background. He is a Nigerian like every other Nigerian who is entitled to protected rights as eshrined in our constitution. It amazes me that many folks talk about fundamental human rights, yet see everything wrong in punishing people found to have defamed the character of others and criticize the victims when they pursue their rights through legitimate means..

Defamation of people's character is against the law, whether we like it or not. Anyone who feels his character has been defamed is free to seek redress in law courts. It is not out of place. We should stop hiding under religious doctrines to support character defamation in Nigeria. Things like this are not condoned in saner climes. When you say or write negative things about people and accuse them of doing something evil, you must have concrete evidence. Character defamation is not and has never been a comedy or joke! Such things can cause damages and crises in the homes or organizations of victims. Now, we talk of forgiveness? Why did Ananias and his wife, Sapphira die when it was said they told a lie? Why weren't they forgiven by God and the apostles as we have been told in the Bible? Irrespective of our different religions, you cannot separate the laws of the land from the citizens. Even Jesus recognized the laws of the state as at then when he paid taxes to the Roman government. In essence, the law should be allowed to take its course irrespective of our religious doctrines.

Most of these folks castigating Pastor Ibiyeomie never cared to caution Kemi Olunloyo when she was busy writing stuffs about people where there was no concrete (even soft) evidence. The hypocritical nature of many Nigerians has come to play again. How many articles did we read cautioning Ms Olunloyo when she was writing what she wrote? Now, we are seeing floods of posts and articles on social media condemning the pastor on his stand. Sincerely speaking, being a Christian does not mean one should not exercise his or her fundamental rights; it does not mean one should condone character defamation. How many of us do ask if Kemi Olunloyo had any evidence to prove her claims as at when she wrote about the pastor. I am not speaking as a religious person; I am speaking as a Nigerian citizen who is much aware that citizens possess fundamental rights which they should enjoy. I don't know Pastor Ibiyiomie personally and I have never been to his church before. I am not one of those who shout "judge not" or see pastors as saints. What I am saying in essence is that Nigerians should stop criticizing the man because he decided to take a stand that would see that his rights are protected by the law. What is the essence of a crime when there is no punishment?

Kemi Olunloyo deliberately defamed a citizen's character. That is the fact; whether it involves a pastor, magician, juju priest or a Bhudda whorshipper is irrelevant here. She should face whatever punishment the law dishes to her. Let it serve as a lesson for others who defame the character of others, especially, on social media, as a thing of joke or to increase popularity.
You wrote all this epistle but could not even state what the law specifies as the punishment for anyone who defames the character of another and the process of redress for the victim of defamation. Is defamation of character a criminal offence or a civil matter? Presently, Dr. Peter Odili is in court in that same Rivers State with Dr. Dakuku Peterside, whom he alleges defamed his character. Was Dakuku ever arrested talk less of being taken to court in prison uniform and chained? Admittedly, most of us do not like this woman but must we condone a blatant abuse of the law because of the personalities involved? Who knows who it could be tomorrow?

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by moupe: 3:12pm On Apr 03, 2017
Rapmoney:
Good my brother. Social media is now a platform in Nigeria where people's characters are defamed frequently and we all see it as joke or comedy. I'm sure many folks don't know the crises such defamation can cause. A man who sees the dead body of someone he doesn't know being carried in a coffin along the road would think it is a log of wood but when the dead is related to you, then u know how painful it is to lose someone.

Right on point.

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by AntiWailer: 3:13pm On Apr 03, 2017
VULCAN:
Don't get it twisted. She defamed a man, not a church.

His occupation means little in this case as the law does not say if you are a pastor you cannot defend your human rights.


I like the way you separate them when it comes to character.

Who is spending the money meant for the church ?
Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by Bjergtrolde: 3:14pm On Apr 03, 2017
babablogger:
Op we know she defamed his character but we believe he being a pastor he should overlook it
Since he didn't he should be called a fake Man of God
Cause as a man of God you should learn to forgive no matter the atrocities committed against you but no he is a yahoo yahoo pastor only interested in the tithes of his followers

Wouldn't it be better to try to win her soul instead of try to condemn her to jail
Sorry o but anybodybwey dey go this man church ehn well make i shut up

I no gree oo. I am not one of those MOG , MOG worshiping people but a few things to note are :
1) The Pastor is first and foremost a human, he has blood in his veins like all of us.

2) The Pastor has people around him who love him. The affect of the allegation could just as be affecting them now

3) Calling a Pastor a fraud (whether true or false ) is one of the biggest harm/offence one can commit against them. That is what she did

4) Correct me if I am wrong, but I am yet to read of an apology from this lady. Forgiveness without apology? Haba!

5) There are many Nigerians who were victims of this lady who did not have the means to fight back.

6) Finally, knowing Nigerians, if the Pastor did not do the needful, a large percentage of our country men would believe her. Remember Suleiman(sp?)and Otobo?

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Re: Kemi Olunloyo: We Should Stop Using Religion As Excuse For Character Defamation by dragonking3: 3:15pm On Apr 03, 2017
chloedogie:


Can you walk into a shrine and tell this to the Babalawo you meet there? Do you know how many shrines we have all over the country? When it comes to God you guys just talk as you wish. People who patronize the shrines too also pay money to the babalawos. Why not enter one and claim govt tax? And either you like it or not, churches are not industries and will never be.

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