baby124:
Names of Urhobo towns

Okparabe, Arhavwarien, Warri, Sapele, Abraka, Ughelli, Effurun, Aladja, Ovwian, Orerokpe, Amuekpe, Eku, Oghara, Evwreni, Agbarha-Otor, Agbarho, Okpara Inland, Egini, Kokori, Olomu, Kiagbodo, Isiokoro, Mosogar, Akpobome, Orhokpokpor, Jesse, Ogharaefe, Effurun-Otor, Ewu, Jeremi, Emadadja, Okwagbe, Ovu, Orogun, Owahwa, Otogor, Edjekota-Ogor, Ofoni, Otor-Udu, Ekpan, Jeddo, Uwheru, Urhowhorun, etc.

All these are not farming settlements.

I know you are trying so hard to prove a non-existent point but you still cant change the reality on ground.

fratermathy:



All these are not farming settlements.

I know you are trying so hard to prove a non-existent point but you still cant change the reality on ground.

No, what you don't understand is they are Urhobo towns and used to be Urhobo villages. If Urhobo's have naming conventions which you claimed. They name their villages Oko, not so? Where is the Oko here?

baby124:

If they are not recognized as seperate villages and towns, how can you now call them a village? Are you confused or confusing yourself. There is no where in Nigeria that your definition qualifies for a village. Oko means farm in Yoruba.

They are not recognised as a separate village because they are made up of migrant communities there for their business who will eventually leave.

All these ones you are doing still won't change the fact. In fact, it is good because these will be archived by google for the future and it'll prove that Urhobos have transient villages in the South West.

baby124:

No, what you don't understand is they are Urhobo towns and used to be Urhobo villages. If Urhobo's have naming conventions which you claimed. They name their villages Oko, not so? Where is the Oko here?

Urhobos do not have naming conventions and never did I claim that. I said these villages are known as "Okos" meaning "farm" in Urhobo.

Since they dont have established names, they are referred to, only by other Urhobos in the area, by the name of the first or most popular settler, prefixed by Oko.

fratermathy:


They are not recognised as a separate village because they are made up of migrant communities there for their business who will eventually leave.

All these ones you are doing still won't change the fact. In fact, it is good because these will be archived by google for the future and it'll prove that Urhobos have transient villages in the South West.

Your argument here has always been that Urhobo's have villages in the SW. Your supporter even claimed Agbowa is Urhobo. LMAO. I know that is another ID of yours. But you have succeeded in showing up your intentions. I am done here for good. No need dragging this further. It's been proven

fratermathy:


Urhobos do not have naming conventions and never did I claim that. I said these villages are known as "Okos" meaning "farm" in Urhobo.

Since they dont have established names, they are referred to, only by other Urhobos in the area, by the name of the first or most popular settler, prefixed by Oko.

No, you claimed their villages go by Oko. Which you know is a Yoruba naming for Farm. All the original villages have nothing to do with what you claimed. Isn't that funny? That means Urhobo's do not name their villages starting with Oko. All towns were once villages even Lagos.

baby124:

Your argument here has always been that Urhobo's have villages in the SW. Your supporter even claimed Agbowa is Urhobo. LMAO. I know that is another ID of yours. But you have succeeded in showing up your intentions. I am done here for good. No need dragging this further. It's been proven

My ID is fratermathy. Like I said before, I don't go about creating new IDs to prove any point. That is the forte of you Igbo and Yoruba guys. I don't indulge in all that.

I said Urhobos have faraway VILLAGE SETTLEMENTS in Yorubaland. I have proven my case with journal articles and the definitions of a village, in which context that statement was made.

Like I said, you don't have to like or believe it. Facts are sacrosanct. Come again, we both have all day.

baby124:

You killed your self because I know Itoikin very very well. You deserve to be banned. Keep springing up new ID's. I know Itoikin so well you will be shocked. Busted

So the itokin you claim to know so well is majorly populated by what ethnic group Stop being intentionally daft cos you want to hold on to an illusion, i know the place well enough, i spent several years laying pipelines through the area....

And btw you didnt refute the rest of the post cos if you know itokin then orgubo should be familiar to you too...

daxlasaint:


So the itokin you claim to know so well is majorly populated by what ethnic group Stop being intentionally daft cos you want to hold on to an illusion, i know the place well enough, i spent several years laying pipelines through the area....

And btw you didnt refute the rest of the post cos if you know itokin then orgubo should be familiar to you too...

The Epe's. You are claiming my grand mother's village. Hahahahaha. When you lie, lie with caution. I told you. Those people are Ijebu Epe's. Shame on you. You claim Itoikin as Urhobo. Eewo buruku. Abomination.

fratermathy:


My ID is fratermathy. Like I said before, I don't go about creating new IDs to prove any point. That is the forte of you Igbo and Yoruba guys. I don't indulge in all that.

I said Urhobos have faraway VILLAGE SETTLEMENTS in Yorubaland. I have proven my case with journal articles and the definitions of a village, in which context that statement was made.

Like I said, you don't have to like or believe it. Facts are sacrosanct. Come again, we both have all day.

fratermathy:


They are not recognised as a separate village because they are made up of migrant communities there for their business who will eventually leave.

All these ones you are doing still won't change the fact. In fact, it is good because these will be archived by google for the future and it'll prove that Urhobos have transient villages in the South West.

You are contradicting yourself greatly.

baby124:

No, you claimed their villages go by Oko. Which you know is a Yoruba naming for Farm. All the original villages have nothing to do with what you claimed. Isn't that funny? That means Urhobo's do not name their villages starting with Oko. All towns were once villages even Lagos.

In Okpe LGA of Urhoboland, we have Okuodiete, Okurigwe, etc. These are traditional "Okos" (farming settlements), removed from main towns/villages and started by those carried in the names. i.e. Odiete and Igwe respectively.


In Urhobo, "Oko" means "farm". It may mean same in Yoruba, I don't know.


All Urhobo "Okos" in Yorubaland are not integrated into the larger polity and the people DO NOT INTEND to become indigenes. They will eventually return. Thankfully, I hope many of them see this thread and see the need to return ASAP.

baby124:

You are contradicting yourself greatly.

Point out the contradiction there.

baby124:

The Epe's. You are claiming my grand mother's village. Hahahahaha. When you lie, lie with caution. I told you. Those people are Ijebu Epe's. Shame on you. You claim Itoikin as Urhobo. Eewo buruku. Abomination.

Do you even know how to read? Or you just cant read through your bigotry colored glasses? Did i mention epe as an urhobo settlement? Or your schooling in english language did not in clude the word 'between'? And i clearly stated that itokin is majority urhobo inhabitants, is that the same as saying it's an urhobo settlement? Abeg make your head dey your neck for this matter o...

Btw am still waiting for you to refute my other claims, especially orugbo...

And if you cant just piss off and stop making statements that question the integrity of your reasoning faculties

daxlasaint:


Do you even know how to read? Or you just cant read through your bigotry colored glasses? Did i mention epe as an urhobo settlement? Or your schooling in english language did not in clude the word 'between'? And i clearly stated that itokin is majority urhobo inhabitants, is that the same as saying it's an urhobo settlement? Abeg make your head dey your neck for this matter o...

Btw am still waiting for you to refute my other claims, especially orugbo...

And if you cant just piss off and stop making statements that question the integrity of your reasoning faculties

You mentioned Itoikin, you mentioned Agbowa. You lied. Now you have shifted to Orugbo. You are a bloody liar and you are the OP. Please, find someone else to lie to. That Epe axis is part of my lineage. There is NO Urhobo town there. Don't quote me again. You are a cheap liar. Why did you not keep fighting about Itoikin when you met an indigene. Something is wrong with you. Hahahahaha.

baby124:

You mentioned Itoikin, you mentioned Agbowa. You lied. Now you have shifted to Orugbo. You are a bloody liar and you are the OP. Please, find someone else to lie to. That Epe axis is part of my lineage. There is NO Urhobo town there. Don't quote me again. You are a cheap liar. Why did you not keep fighting about Itoikin when you met an indigene. Something is wrong with you. Hahahahaha.

I mentioned orugbo as being between itokin and agbowa... I know you arent as daft as you are trying to make me believe you are, just a real sore loser... Good night and dry not to explode your tiny little brain with all these your delusional fantasies...

baby124:

You mentioned Itoikin, you mentioned Agbowa. You lied. Now you have shifted to Orugbo. You are a bloody liar and you are the OP. Please, find someone else to lie to. That Epe axis is part of my lineage. There is NO Urhobo town there. Don't quote me again. You are a cheap liar. Why did you not keep fighting about Itoikin when you met an indigene. Something is wrong with you. Hahahahaha.

My only moniker here is fratermathy. Take it or leave it.


You are just laughing at yourself as if anything, other than yourself, is funny here:

Title: Urhobo migrants and the Ikale palm oil industry, 1850-1968
Author: Ogen, OlukoyaISNI
Year: 2003
Periodical: The Nigerian Journal of Economic History
Issue: 5-6
Pages: 1-16
Language: English
Geographic term: Nigeria
Subjects: palm oil
migrants
Urhobo

www.ajol.info/index.php/njeh/article/view/36471

daxlasaint:


I mentioned orugbo as being between itokin and agbowa... I know you arent as daft as you are trying to make me believe you are, just a real sore loser... Good night and dry not to explode your tiny little brain with all these your delusional fantasies...

daxlasaint:


So the itokin you claim to know so well is majorly populated by what ethnic group Stop being intentionally daft cos you want to hold on to an illusion, i know the place well enough, i spent several years laying pipelines through the area....

And btw you didnt refute the rest of the post cos if you know itokin then orgubo should be familiar to you too...

True to the OP's nature, you contradict yourself. You are mad. Get psychiatric help. Mad animal. What a thief.

@baby124 and bigfrancis21 gang members:

I remember with nostalgia how people from the neighbouring Ilaje, Ijaw and the Urhobo flocked into the town to be part of its growing commercial activities. The riverine Ilaje, a predominantly fishing people with a common variant of the Ikale language with the Ikale complemented the Urhobo. The Urhobo had also long established themselves in local palm oil production. The geographical location of Okitipupa which lies in the mid-section between the South-South and the South-East makes it a port of call for traders and travellers alike.

http://kanmiakano..com.ng/2014/02/the-sad-story-of-okitipupa-by-bayo.html

baby124:

True to the OP's nature, you contradict yourself. You are mad. Get psychiatric help. Mad animal. What a thief.

I asked you to point out my initial contradiction and I am yet to see anything!!!

daxlasaint:


Oya go to bed na arindin... As you have decided not to have sense and probably resulted to name calling to hide your shameful ignorance kf the demography of an area you claim to originate from... Odaro ehn omo ale jatijati

Yanji oshare na vwo. He has no point. I am only using him as a conduit to make the point so that it can be archived that Urhobo-Isokos have farming village settlements in Yorubaland.

You need not stress yourself to prove the existent. His denials won't change any fact.

Onovio vwo dawanre.

baby124:

All that for your mother. Shameless thief. See how I caught you. Bastard that is claiming another person's village. Is your father homeless? Did you not mention Itoikin? You are definitely the OP. Same way of lying and same way of trying to escape a lie after being exposed.

More proof

It is significant that this reception is taking place in Lagos, the city where Urhobo men and women of enterprise have enjoyed abundant prosperity and peace for decades. With the possible exception of the former Gold Coast (now Ghana), Lagos was the ultimate western destination of migrants from Urhobo and the Niger Delta. For over 100 years, Urhobo frontier men and women have struck good fortune in Yoruba lands. The rural migrants engaged in the oil palm industry are ubiquitious in the Ikale area of the Okitipupa Division of the old Ondo Province. The urban-based Urhobo migrants found Lagos and its environs an enabling environment to ply their various trades and skills.

Today, Lagos has the largest concentration of Urhobo people outside of Delta State. The accomplishments of the Urhobo in Lagos are best expressed in the epic stature of the Ibru family. In the 1970s, the Ibru Organisation which was started and nurtured in Lagos was Africa's most gigantic indigenous business consortium. The richest and most prominent Urhobo entrepreneurs and professionals are also based here in Lagos. A significant proportion of musicians and entertainment exponents practising in Lagos are from Delta State. Lagos also provides a conducive environment for Delta talents in football and sports to achieve stardom. The Urhobo in Lagos own the biggest hotels and hospitality and also the most influential national newspapers. I, too, was initiated into investment in Lagos. In this respect, this reception is like a home-coming for me.

http://waado.org/UrhoboHistory/Addresses_Lectures/ibori_moment_address.html

fratermathy:


I asked you to point out my initial contradiction and I am yet to see anything!!!

Thank you for posting this. This shows they did not even own any land in Ikale, but were brought as tenement workers with no right to land ownership. This totally destroys your village lie and your Oko lie!!!! You seenthay you can't read and comprehend? You have finally put the nail in the coffin. Thank you?!!

@Baby124:

Read more and be enlightened:

Pre-colonial Ughievwen clan was and is still divided into four sub-clans; namely, Orhowe, Owahwa, Ukpedi and Uvburie in order of seniority (Okotete, 2010). The main occupations of the Ughievwen people were: fishing, farming, indigenous gin production, petty trading, palm oil production, pottery work and mat making that was done by women. The clan, like most pre-colonial economies of other West African societies, was not entirely subsistent, but had a diversified economy in which the barter system featured prominently. Places like Okwagbe, Ekakpamre, Okpare and Warri were outlets where products were sold, even when legitimate trade became the vogue, migrations which was essentially adaptation to the new economic system, some of the people went to far-flunged areas like Ikale land in present day Ondo State and parts of Edo State (Otite, 2006, pp.556-563).

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BjH4e9pYmKAJ:afrrevjo.net/journals/multidiscipline/Vol_8_no_4_art_7_OghiF.pdf+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ng

fratermathy:


More proof




http://waado.org/UrhoboHistory/Addresses_Lectures/ibori_moment_address.html

Where does this prove Urhobo villages? None! Any group in Nigeria can claim the same. Your presence in a location does not mean you elbecome a village. Do you realize how small Urhobo numbers are compared to other ethnicities in the SW? I have even been arguing with an illiterate all along.

fratermathy:


I asked you to point out my initial contradiction and I am yet to see anything!!!

Oniovo kparovren biko, you should know an attention seeking reprobate when you see one... This mugu is just intentionally been daft cos when you have no argument you result to mud slinging and unfortunately we have just been indulging him or her...

baby124:

Thank you for posting this. This shows they did not even own any land in Ikale, but were brought as tenement workers with no right to land ownership. This totally destroys your village lie and your Oko lie!!!! You seenthay you can't read and comprehend? You have finally put the nail in the coffin. Thank you?!!

You were far too tribalistic to notice that the argument wasn't on whether Urhobo owned land in Ikale. WE DO NOT OWN ANY LAND THERE! We are migrant and setup transient migrant villages, at the approval of our landlords. These villages are away from central Yorubalands and comprised only by Urhobo people.

I like how you fool yourself though.

fratermathy:


You were far too tribalistic to notice that the argument wasn't on whether Urhobo owned land in Ikale. WE DO NOT OWN ANY LAND THERE! We are migrant and setup transient migrant villages, at the approval of our landlords. These villages are away from central Yorubalands and comprised only by Urhobo people.

I like how you fool yourself though.

How can you have a village without owning land? What happened to all your bragging about Oko's?

baby124:

Where does this prove Urhobo villages? None! Any group in Nigeria can claim the same. Your presence in a location does not mean you elbecome a village. Do you realize how small Urhobo numbers are compared to other ethnicities in the SW? I have even been arguing with an illiterate all along.

This was never an argument. This has always been the case of someone educating an ignorant tribalistic chap who knows nothing.


Urhobos are very SMALL in the SW. That was never in doubt. We have small village settlements in the SW where we TEMPORARILY settle to do our palm nut business. Deal with it.

daxlasaint:


Oniovo kparovren biko, you should know an attention seeking reprobate when you see one... This mugu is just intentionally been daft cos when you have no argument you result to mud slinging and unfortunately we have just been indulging him or her...

Hahahahahaha. Oju ole re, Ole! Homeless and shameless thief. Itoikin for that matter!!! You are mad I swear. Complete madness de fight you.

baby124:

How can you have a village without owning land? What happened to all your bragging about Oko's?

I never bragged about our Okos. You were the one that was bragging that we had none.

All the documents I've released and will continue releasing for archival purposes are to prove that Urhobos have farming village settlements in Yorubaland. They are migrants there and are there for business. That has always been my point, from the beginning.