bigfrancis21:








, you have created much ado about nothing derailing this very thread of yours if only you had used the right word or rather been more specific. Whatever reaction you think you are receiving right now, is reaction from earlier actions of yours especially on the front page. Village as we know it is NOT the same as settlement. Had you used or said specifically 'settlement' in your original write-up, then this back and forth would not have gotten to this extent. She even admitted severally that yes there are Urhobo migrants living in SW, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE VILLAGES, in the traditional definition of village in Nigeria as we know it.

Here is your very first claim about 'Urhobo Villages' in the SW:



You went on to provide the definition of village, which I found laughable and extraneous, to 'buttress' your point that 'Urhobos have villages in SW'. It is this very impression that baby124 has been trying to correct you on since the last 24 hours, and you kept on defending 'urhobo villages' being in SW with these posts of yours:





She admitted severally, below being one of her posts, that there arw Urhobos in the SW but they do not have villages.




This is what she pointed out and stuck to all along. All the 'pieces of evidence' you have been throwing around all refer to these places Urhobo live in in the SW as settlements or quarters and NOT village as you initially claimed, which renders your very own write-up invalid and inconsequential. Anyone reading this will see that it is you who simply failed to grasp the point she was trying to make but rather you kept arguing back and forth. In your mindset, anybody who does not agree with you is 'full of hatred' or a 'bigot' or is 'molesting you'. I'm sorry to tell you this, I may not know you in real life but YOU seem to be somebody who has a problem with admitting fault and taking correction. This unnecessary debacle from you would not have gotten reached this extent had you, first, USED the right terms/words in your write-up, second, LISTENED to counter-arguments and accepted your mistake, and, third, CORRECTED the mistakes you made. Instead, what is see is your futile baby attempts so 'save face' or salvage what is left of your damaged reputation.

In the end, you just killed your own thread and write up with evidence that counters your 'claim of Urhobo villages in the SW' as Urhobo settlements instead. Urhobos, by virtue of being Nigerian citizens free to travel and reside in any part of the country, are settlers in the SW, just as there are Igbo, Hausa, Efik-Ibibio settlers etc. in the same SW, and in the SE also. In Owerri, the Hausas occupy an area known as 'Ama Awusa' (Hausa settlement in English) located along Douglas road just off old eke ukwu market and this place has been exclusively settled by Hausas since about the 1920s or 1930s, long before Nigeria's independence, however, this is NOT an Hausa village because the land does not belong to them but rather an Hausa settlement because the land on which they occupy was leased to them.

Finally, you the way you go about the presence of Urhobo settlers outside the SW like it is a big deal or this phenomenon is exclusive to them alone, when other tribes have their settlements outside their ancestral boundaries and yet do not make noise about it. I could take a huge guess that majority of these Urhobos in these 'okos' have been largely assimilated into Yoruba culture, bear Yoruba names, speak Yoruba and barely speak Urhobo. They are probably only Urhobo by last name. If I remember correctly you opened a thread in the past about this and how it annoyed you to see Urhobo descendants getting assimilated into Yoruba culture.

You didn't make any point in all your hatefilled epistle.

1. You broke NL rules with regards to user's privacy and as a mod, I'm quite surprised about this.

2. Baby124 DERAILED this thread, not me, by making much ado about NOTHING as if Urhobos in SW have ever claimed to be indigenes.

3. From all you've quoted, which are irrelevant if I must add, I've maintained the phrase "village settlement". I said Urhobos have village settlements in the SW. Not one, but two Yorubas have come to confirm this and even explain more but you, an Igbo known to forcefully claim people's lands and speak for Itsekiris, Ijaw and Isokos as if they are Igbos too, took the matter out of context to prove a point that is more associated with Igbo than any tribe in Nigeria. For a mod, this is the height of tribalism and stupidity, I must confess.

4. You LIED against me that I said Aniomas are not Igbo. I asked for proof and you quoted a group that I have no idea of. You failed to even make any case to show that I said Aniomas are not Igbo. Imagine a nairaland moderator lying over users to prove his Igbo imperialist point.

5. I put it to you again that Urhobos have farming village settlements in the SOUTH WEST. I have proven my case here. it now behoves you to prove that they don't exist as you guys frequently prove that you own and developed Lagos!

6. I never said only Urhobos have farming villages in lands other than theirs. Even Hausas have their own settlements in Urhoboland, like any other group can have as well. So why are you making it seem like an Urhobo exclusive affair? Can't you see that your hate is uncontainable anymore?

7. Can't you see how petty you have descended? From "big" to "small", just because of Urhobo hatred! Your pains have only just begun. Expect more Urhobo threads on Nairaland! You will soon commit suicide.

Igbo kwenu!

YonkijiSappo:


Urhobo-Isokos were the third largest ethnic group in the South-West from the early 1900s up until probably 1980. Right now, I don't know what position they would be, probably still number 3 or 4... who knows.



Infact of the 618,742 Urhobos enumerated in 1963, 102,000 or 16.5% of them were in the Western region.

I think the way you framed your initial statement, of Urhobos owning Villages in the SW was what put baby 124 off. Because it sounds like a claim to land of sorts.
Even I was initially put off, but didn't want to react brashly mostly due to the fact that while growing up then in the west I knew many urhobos living around with us. In fact many had Yoruba names, but we knew they were urhobos ~ who didn't know the Udis, Odoguns and the Ejebas back then.

So I knew there were elements of truth to your statement as such, I kept the cool. Until the argument went further, and you explained that they got permission from the land owners and baales to settle down in farms and work, so The Urhobos had settlements on farms , and not villages, and that is exactly why they are called Okos which is similar to what the Egbiras have in parts of Ekiti and Osun state, farming homesteads.

I appreciate your contribution and thanks for helping me clarify things.

When I used that phrase village settlements, it was never to wholly imply "village" in the Nigerian sense but more like a settlement that has all the features of a village and since its for Urhobos, it is understandable.

Baby124 was trying so hard to be ignorant. In fact, he/she tried too hard and gave off a non-Yoruba version of crass ignorance and tribalism.

Thanks for clearing the air!

fratermathy:


I appreciate your contribution and thanks for helping me clarify things.

When I used that phrase village settlements, it was never to wholly imply "village" in the Nigerian sense but more like a settlement that has all the features of a village and since its for Urhobos, it is understandable.

Baby124 was trying so hard to be ignorant. In fact, he/she tried too hard and gave off a non-Yoruba version of crass ignorance and tribalism.

Thanks for clearing the air!

Very happy the air has been cleared now. At least we can go further and discuss other issues.
Page 25.... wheeew! Very sure even you wouldn't have anticipated that when creating said thread.

Sanchez01:


Excerpts...

http://tribuneonlineng.com/not-part-oduduwa-republic-ijaws-reply-adebanjo/

The Ijaws are always sly. I hope it makes sense now?

Truth be told, Ijaws (the Western Ijaws to be precise) used to be an integral part of the Western region before the creation of the Midwest, and the even more subsequent merging of some sections of the Mid-Western region to the old rivers state. Two local governments in today's Bayelsa: Ekeremor and Sagbama used to be part of the Western region, and I can also remember a very popular pic of Awolowo in Bomadi local government of Delta state among school children then to inculcate them into the Awo free educational system.

So yes, a good part of the Ijaws were ONCE in the Western region together with the same Yorubas that they are now making it seem like they can't see eye to eye with. But it is no Big deal, because truth be told, it is even in our own better interests to avoid the Ijaws. The Igbos can have them in Biafra... lol.
However if by South-South, the Ijaws are referring to ANY Land in Ondo state, they should completely forget it. Even Warri is still in contention, and traditionally only the local governments of Burutu, Bomadi and Patani are seen as true Ijaw local governments in Delta state.

tuzeal:


Odonyo moderator with e mouth like odion wey go shit for church. Who send you to speak for Isoko people? Dem tell you say we no get mouth? Abeg e swerve go look your Igboland. Dey there for speak for us as if we nor get mouth to talk. Na so all of una be. Just recently, una de claim Igbide-Ame as una land for here. Go ask wetin Igbide boys use Ukwuani boys eyes take see. Land thieves! We nor send you message, you hear?


@Op: Oza me, don't mind the guy's divide tactics. I am an Isoko from Olomoro on my father's side and Enwhe on my mother's side. Most of my goons are Urhobos and I use Urhobo to communicate steady. See me and Opharhe (on nairaland too) are in OAU together and we are both proud Urhobo-Isoko. When we start for here, Yoruba boys de give us chance. Anywhere I go, based on normal observation and say I be Isoko, na so dem de clear road for me. Area sef de throway regards like water. Isoko nor get wahala with Urhobo, anybody wey de suffer e sef for our matter get e own plan.

Thank you for carrying us along. The mistakes of our fathers shall be corrected by this generation.

@Onosprince: Mavor oza? You de see wetin this yeye mod de talk?

Isoko Wadhe?
Ijooooooo!!!!

Isoko Wadoooo!!!!

Urhobo and Isoko unity is non-negotiable!

Oniovo abeg free that bigfrancis21 abi Wetin he call himself.

He can only sit in Aba and concoct all sorts of rubbish to suit his Igbo imperialist interests.

The moment he started speaking for Isoko and Itsekiri, I knew he was done for. That was it! He descended into hate and couldn't hide it again. Just because I cautioned them against speaking for Urhobos, he wants to be pretty and caution me against speaking for Isoko as if we are not one people or as if I called Isokos Urhobos!
I don tell am say na suicide he go commit soon! Urhobo and Isoko matter go soon purge am.

Meanwhile, nice to know you are from Olomoro. I read that Olomoros migrated from Olomu, in Urhoboland.

You can see how we are all intertwined.

I know Opharhe too. He used to create threads on Urhobo/Isoko before now. It's been a while he came online though. I'll even call him later.

Afam4eva:
I think the issue of Urhobos having settlements in the SW is misunderstood and could be because the term "Village" was used. It's just like the way Fulani people have settlements all over Nigeria.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the phrase I used was "Village settlements" and I took pains to explain it, covering several pages of this thread, even when the person I directed my clarifications to wasn't at all ready to understand where I was coming from but only wanted to defend territory as if it was ever in contention. Then your cohort, Bigfrancis21 took it upon himself to deconstruct what he knows nothing of whatsoever even when Yorubas have come and taken time to clear the air on the issue. What's his direction exactly, if not hate? Since when did Igbos start following Yorubas to defend territory on nairaland? Is it because a minority is now involved so he feels he can combine forces with Baby124 to oppress us from our legitimately gotten farming village settlements? Settlements that were setup on mutual understanding with the aborigines of the area? Settlements that are even being abandoned slowly?

So help me ask him what his direction is on this thread!

[quote author=erumena post=55473435][/quote]I dey your side

YonkijiSappo:


Truth be told, Ijaws (the Western Ijaws to be precise) used to be an integral part of the Western region before the creation of the Midwest, and the even more subsequent merging of some sections of the Mid-Western region to the old rivers state. Two local governments in today's Bayelsa: Ekeremor and Sagbama used to be part of the Western region, and I can also remember a very popular pic of Awolowo in Bomadi local government of Delta state among school children then to inculcate them into the Awo free educational system.

So yes, a good part of the Ijaws were ONCE in the Western region together with the same Yorubas that they are now making it seem like they can't see eye to eye with. But it is no Big deal, because truth be told, it is even in our own better interests to avoid the Ijaws. The Igbos can have them in Biafra... lol.
However if by South-South, the Ijaws are referring to ANY Land in Ondo state, they should completely forget it. Even Warri is still in contention, and traditionally only the local governments of Burutu, Bomadi and Patani are seen as true Ijaw local governments in Delta state.

you wan start wetin pass you abi?

Afriifa:
you wan start wetin pass you abi?

Excuse me?

fratermathy:


Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the phrase I used was "Village settlements" and I took pains to explain it, covering several pages of this thread, even when the person I directed my clarifications to wasn't at all ready to understand where I was coming from but only wanted to defend territory as if it was ever in contention. Then your cohort, Bigfrancis21 took it upon himself to deconstruct what he knows nothing of whatsoever even when Yorubas have come and taken time to clear the air on the issue. What's his direction exactly, if not hate? Since when did Igbos start following Yorubas to defend territory on nairaland? Is it because a minority is now involved so he feels he can combine forces with Baby124 to oppress us from our legitimately gotten farming village settlements? Settlements that were setup on mutual understanding with the aborigines of the area? Settlements that are even being abandoned slowly?

So help me ask him what his direction is on this thread!

whenever I say the Igbos are the number enemies of Niger Delta, they thought I was being bias. Now see ibo man defending yoruba man land.

fratermathy:
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Where all the correct Waffarians de sef? Oya make una observe the matter wey de ground if my ota confam. Una know say if food don done, na the scent de call area.

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YonkijiSappo:


Excuse me?

leave the thread if you are only here to hate

Afriifa:
leave the thread if you are only here to hate

YonkijiSappo:


Excuse me?

Oniovo abeg leave the guy. He's not hating Urhobos. The Urhobo haters have refused to resurface.
He's only making things clearer here although his language maybe quite blunt.

fratermathy:




Oniovo abeg leave the guy. He's not hating Urhobos. The Urhobo haters have refused to resurface.
He's only making things clearer here although his language maybe quite blunt.

yea really blunt and I don't like it,, by the way I am late

Afriifa:
whenever I say the Igbos are the number enemies of Niger Delta, they thought I was being bias. Now see ibo man defending yoruba man land.

I'd like to believe they are confused and would stand against anyone and anything, just as they would stand for someone or something without thinking twice. This does not truly represent the larger Igbo group, don't be deceived. Those who exhibit that tendencies are the shallow ones you see on here.

They are loyal to no one, not even themselves. According to them, their enemy is someone who does not share their ideals or beliefs. @the emboldened, their ass licking tendencies are second to none. We don't call them foot soldiers for nothing.

YonkijiSappo:


Urhobo-Isokos were the third largest ethnic group in the South-West from the early 1900s up until probably 1980. Right now, I don't know what position they would be, probably still number 3 or 4... who knows.



Infact of the 618,742 Urhobos enumerated in 1963, 102,000 or 16.5% of them were in the Western region.

I think the way you framed your initial statement, of Urhobos owning Villages in the SW was what put baby 124 off. Because it sounds like a claim to land of sorts.
Even I was initially put off, but didn't want to react brashly mostly due to the fact that while growing up then in the west I knew many urhobos living around with us. In fact many had Yoruba names, but we knew they were urhobos ~ who didn't know the Udis, Odoguns and the Ejebas back then.

So I knew there were elements of truth to your statement as such, I kept the cool. Until the argument went further, and you explained that they got permission from the land owners and baales to settle down in farms and work, so The Urhobos had settlements on farms , and not villages, and that is exactly why they are called Okos which is similar to what the Egbiras have in parts of Ekiti and Osun state, farming homesteads.

someone once said (was it UPU? Can't remember) that urhobos are the second ethnic group in nigeria that migrates a lot only second to the igbo. Omo yoruba this ur table seems to make that statement quite true.

Sanchez01:

I'd like to believe they are confused and would stand against anyone and anything, just as they would stand for someone or something without thinking twice. This does not truly represent the larger Igbo group, don't be deceived. Those who exhibit that tendencies are the shallow ones you see on here.

They are loyal to no one, not even themselves. According to them, their enemy is someone who does not share their ideals or beliefs. @the emboldened, their ass licking tendencies are second to none. We don't call them foot soldiers for nothing.

I prefer my Niger Delta the way it is. Why? You can't possibly differentiate who is who when you see an Uhrobo guy, Isoko guy, Ijaw, Ishekiri. Let me say even an Edo guy. Without if you are a stranger there. Unlike when you see an Ibo man one glance you will know this is an igbo, man because they all have one thing in common. Hope you know that too.

Afriifa:
I prefer my Niger Delta the way it is. Why? You can't possibly differentiate who is who when you see an Uhrobo guy, Isoko guy, Ijaw, Ishekiri. Let me say even an Edo guy. Without if you are a stranger there. Unlike when you see an Ibo man one glance you will know this is an igbo, man because they all have one thing in common. Hope you know that too.

Sanchez01:

let me keep quiet before they call me Afonja

Sanchez01:

I'd like to believe you're dumb or you're trying to act like one. He wasn't referring to 'Oko' (re-re), which means 'farm'. And yes, there are Urhobo settlements in some parts of Ondo state, particularly the Ilaje areas of Ondo state. And these settlements are called 'okos' as prefixes. And just as someone mentioned Itokin being settlements for Urhobos and Isokos, may I also submit to you that here are Urhobo settlements in Agbowa.

I have been there several times and I spent some part of my childhood there. The settlement, however comprises of Urhobos and Isokos, just as that of Itokin. One of my uncles still lives there to this day. Again, there is an Urhobo-Isoko-Ijaw settlement in Majidun, where you have the popular God's Grace Church.

For the Urhobo-Isokos dwelling in Itokin and Agbowa in particular, they coexist with the Yorubas perfectly, even though the area leans towards Epe, the outskirt of Ikorodu.

That of Majidun is strictly for the three ethnic groups I earlier mentioned. The Ijaws, whose main means of livelyhood around the Majidun area are primarily responsible for fleeing Yorubas due to incessant battles with security forces over oil bunkering.

Bigfrancis21, I believe you strongly need to let this sink. This is no land grabbing tendencies, rather places I have been to and lived for some time. Baby124, except you are not from or in Lagos, you wouldn't know the places I mentioned. Have someone investigate and come back to call me a liar.

You are more reasonable to discuss with and you understand the bone of contention better which the OP himself has miserably failed to understand why we are even at this point in the first place. Let me re-iterate that no one ever said there are no settlements of Urhobos in the SW or anywhere in Nigeria. It would not be a surprise to anyone in the first place because people from ethnic groups travel out to other parts of Nigeria to settle or live in. The point being made here was the use of 'village' to refer to these Urhobo settlements located out of their ancestral zones. For example, if I were to tell you or any average Joe on the streets of Lagos that Hausas have their own village in Enugu? The other person would be perplexed because a Hausa village in Enugu is nearly impractical. It is his choice of words that brought this to this extent, he even went as far as insisting they were 'villages' and provided dictionary meanings to score his cheap point.

Anyway, I am out of here. I believe the points have been made, it is left to him to see through objectively or subjectively instead.

fratermathy:


I don't know why you are trying so hard to blackmail me online for your selfish Igboish interests.

This is a faceless forum and you just broke one of the laws with regards to privacy.

What a moderator!

Well, why don't you provide us a snapshot of the exact proudly anioma proudly igbo you got that post from? It's very easy. Load the actual page showing the article and the proudly anioma or proudly anioma proudly igbo page on top, take a snapshot and upload on that other thread.

bigfrancis21:


You are more reasonable to discuss with and you understand the bone of contention better which the OP himself has miserably failed to understand why we are even at this point in the first place. Let me re-iterate that no one ever said there are no settlements of Urhobos in the SW or anywhere in Nigeria. It would not be a surprise to anyone in the first place because people from ethnic groups travel out to other parts of Nigeria to settle or live in. The point being made here was the use of 'village' to refer to these Urhobo settlements located out of their ancestral zones. For example, if I were to tell you or any average Joe on the streets of Lagos that Hausas have their own village in Enugu? The other person would be perplexed because a Hausa village in Enugu is nearly impractical. It is his choice of words that brought this to this extent, he even went as far as insisting they were 'villages' and provided dictionary meanings to score his cheap point.

Anyway, I am out of here. I believe the points have been made, it is left to him to see through objectively or subjectively instead.

So you settled on "Village" and left the "settlement" part of it? Isn't that selective reading? To what end entirely?

If I say Igbos own Enugu and someone else says Igbos own lands in Enugu. Do the sentences mean the same thing?

Stop trying to save your face and acknowledge that you were being anti-Urhobo, petty, clannish and Igbocentric on this thread. You came in with a clear motive, one which you tried to carry out unsuccessfully!

Fratermarthy,

I specifically mentioned to upload the pic on that other thread (your anioma thread) so as to avoid derailing this one.

bigfrancis21:
Fratermarthy,

I specifically mentioned to upload the pic on that other thread (your anioma thread) so as to avoid derailing this one.

Noted. In response to your apology on the other thread, I also apologise for any offensive words I may have used on you on this thread.

Afriifa:
I prefer my Niger Delta the way it is. Why? You can't possibly differentiate who is who when you see an Uhrobo guy, Isoko guy, Ijaw, Ishekiri. Let me say even an Edo guy. Without if you are a stranger there. Unlike when you see an ***** man one glance you will know this is an **** man because they all have one thing in common. Hope you know that too.

I hope someone writes about this too, we are to quite in this country, that's why majority tribe wanna impose their dreams on us.

Fratermathy please take a look at the bolded.

@frathermathy, do your best to defend your position void of emotion, it will help your argument and possibly course you to victory. Besides, you assertion that 80% Igbos hate Uhrobor is false. If I may ask, where did you get that statistic from? Are you trying to stoke an ember of ethnic hatred where none exists? I have never heard of Igbo/Urobhor clash before, ever since my existence on this planet. So please do guide your comments with caution.....
Furthermore, I hope you know that Biafra is more a political issue than a ethnic problem. If Biafra comes tommorow, and your group happened to remain in where ever they choose to, base on their right to association, does it eliminate peaceful co-existence? The answer is likely no. We can be of different countries and still live in peace. Its high time you watch how put up your defense to stop sounding like you are very desperate to win an argument.
However, I'm impressed with the entire article, after going through it for the second time.

Afriifa:
whenever I say the Igbos are the number enemies of Niger Delta, they thought I was being bias. Now see ibo man defending yoruba man land.

You guys can be worked up with your emotion. How is Igboman the number one enemy of the Niger Delta? Pull out your facts.... if not for IPOB do you have any audacity to insult the Igbo nation. We mind our business and don't give a fuvk about issues that are fit for kids.

blues20:
@frathermathy, do your best to defend your position void of emotion, it will help your argument and possibly course you to victory. Besides, you assertion that 80% Igbos hate Uhrobor is false. If I may ask, where did you get that statistic from? Are you trying to stoke an ember of ethnic hatred where none exists? I have never heard of Igbo/Urobhor clash before, ever since my existence on this planet. So please do guide your comments with caution.....
Furthermore, I hope you know that Biafra is more a political issue than a ethnic problem. If Biafra comes tommorow, and your group happened to remain in where ever they choose to, base on their right to association, does it eliminate peaceful co-existence? The answer is likely no. We can be of different countries and still live in peace. Its high time you watch how put up your defense to stop sounding like you are very desperate to win an argument.
However, I'm impressed with the entire article, after going through it for the second time.

You have spoken well, as usual. I've noted your advice. As for the Urhobo/Igbo hate, I may have exaggerated it but the tensed atmosphere exists nonetheless.

Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate.

fratermathy:


You have spoken well, as usual. I've noted your advice. As for the Urhobo/Igbo hate, I may have exaggerated it but the tensed atmosphere exists nonetheless.

Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate.

You are welcome

blues20:

You guys can be worked up with your emotion. How is Igboman the number one enemy of the Niger Delta? Pull out your facts.... if not for IPOB do you have any audacity to insult the Igbo nation. We mind our business and don't give a fuvk about issues that are fit for kids.

keep your mouth shut? Who arrested Isaac Adaka Boro and sentenced him to death?