Hbuyosh:

Very good observation. However, tht shld more be said about Nigeria and not Kenya.
You u have correctly pointed out that your Gdp per capita is higher than both of India and Kenya (fyi, the per capita of India and Kenya are almost equal), yet they both have higher HDI than Nigeria and lower poverty index as well.

Kenya is 80 arid, with well over 80% of the polulation concentrated in, and depending on the smaller 20% portion which is fertile. Kenya, until the oil was discovered recently, had no mineral resources, mining contributed below 1% to its economy.
Contrast that with Nigeria......what exactly is Nigerias's excuse?

Hbuyosh:


This is about Kenya vs Nigeria.....2015, we were ranked in the Medium table, u were ranked at the Low table.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI

And in that "Low" list are several small countries of Africa. Your notion that smaller countries are easier to develop ia challenged right there.

Nigeria is mucj wealthier, but what is the problem? You think your population sizs is the problem? Look at India!

Nowenuse:



Kenyans and Indians are more united religiously than Nigeria having an overwhelming Hindu/christian majority. Both countries only have ethnic issues to battle with.

Do you know how many lives have been lost in Nigeria due to religious clashes? People play evil politics of religion in Nigeria at the detriment of the welfare of their people just because they want their religion to dominate the country.

At least 30% of Nigerians are muslim fanatics and most of them are illiterates.
What progress do you really expect from such people??

Why won't our HDI be lower when a part of the country always drag it down?

ababda:



The official language in Sudan is "Arabic". Although English is also a official but it is rarely taught in the village level in local schools, but you may find some people here in there in some villages that may speak english. Most learn english in secondary school or some well off people send their kids to private or international school. They also have schools in Khartoum that teach a multitude of different languages, and since they are trying to attract people to visit things such as these
















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Dinder national park



Port Sudan














so this can create jobs, and needed income with more tourist which means more people that can communicate in a multitude of different languages. Due to the Sudan bad image we get far less tourist than our neighbor in both Egypt and Ethiopia, but it is starting to increase gradually, but we have to market it right. It is like we have tourist elements of both North and Sub Saharan Africa, i think the combinations make it a unique travel experience. We should make port Sudan very tourist friendly like the Egyptians did for the Sinai.

vaxx:
not at all. You blame colonialism for nigeria underdevelopment. I said it is wrong to do so. Well south korea is a good example. You need to read about her ordeal in the hands of japan. It is far worst comparing with nigeria during the day of colonialism.Therefore it is a good example.

as i said earlier ghana too needs to be blame. but she perform better in citizens welfare comparing to nigeria currently. i belive it shouild be the opposite. why？ nigeria has a larger population which she can use for her own advantage. ,she possess a larger quantity of natural resources, Enough phd holder than any african state , A ballon of respected scholars more than any african state and so many positive example. Second largest bitumen deposit in the world behind canada.

yes some countries are performing better than ghana not only in europe. even in asia. singapore is a good example. singapore does not even own enough land talkless of arable land for agriculture yet she is able to grow enough food for her consumption and even for export.

both Ghana and nigeria are not doing well using the advantage of what they have at their disposal .i belive nigeria by now should be compare to advance world in terms of development not ghana or kenya becuse she has more resources to be in that position than kenya and ghana in combine. Ghana too should have go far not her present position.

you cant neglect the role of natural resources likewise education. sound education begat
good idea. UAE is one of the weathy nation today becuse of natural resources. saudi arabia ,kuwait and qatar alike. good education buttress natural resources. nigeria is bless abundantly with the two. So what else do you need？ is the education not sound enough to pull the nation out of underdevelopment with her abundant natural resources. UAE has oil and nothing more. What was use in developing dubai today comes from oil. What is stoping nigeria. The same question to ghana. What is stoping her from development with her abundant land and fertile soil.
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Nowenuse:



Kenyans and Indians are more united religiously than Nigeria having an overwhelming Hindu/christian majority. Both countries only have ethnic issues to battle with.

Do you know how many lives have been lost in Nigeria due to religious clashes? People play evil politics of religion in Nigeria at the detriment of the welfare of their people just because they want their religion to dominate the country.

At least 30% of Nigerians are muslim fanatics and most of them are illiterates.
What progress do you really expect from such people??

Why won't our HDI be lower when a part of the country always drag it down?

Nowenuse:



Hmm, interesting.
No wonder you can speak pidgin quite well and display some southern traits.

I also live in the South too, infact i was born in Delta state. My father works with NNPC and was transferred to the south.
What brought you to the south??

Are you for real? Though i don't really know much about the demographics of northerners in Lagos state, but in the SS/SE, you hardly find people from Kano, Jigawa or Kaduna doing menial jobs. Most of the core-northerners doing those are usually from Sokoto, Zamfara and sometimes Katsina. You can only find the former trading.
The Kanuris from Borno do wristwatches. Both core-northerners and middlebelters do mai guard and okada. ......
The only difference btw the poor core-northerners and middlebelters in the south is that most poor middlebelters who leave their villages to the South do so after finishing secondary schools. While most core-northerners never went to school.
Let me ask you, sincerely, do you see core-northerners changing and bridging the educational gap in Nigeria in the nearest future

Nowenuse:


I hate it when people emphasize on Qatar and UAE making progress. These countries just have only a few million people with vast rescources. They are also linguistically, ethnically and religiously one.
They would be mad and sub-human not to make progress.

Ghana does not have any rescources? For real?
Why are they called the gold coast? Their land is very fertile and they have a small population.
They also have an ethnic and religious majority who are always in charge and leadership of affairs.

TayserMahiri:


I thought there was a time you guys were doing well? And it was still one big Nigeria

Nowenuse:



Kenyans and Indians are more united religiously than Nigeria having an overwhelming Hindu/christian majority. Both countries only have ethnic issues to battle with.

Do you know how many lives have been lost in Nigeria due to religious clashes? People play evil politics of religion in Nigeria at the detriment of the welfare of their people just because they want their religion to dominate the country.

At least 30% of Nigerians are muslim fanatics and most of them are illiterates.
What progress do you really expect from such people??

Why won't our HDI be lower when a part of the country always drag it down?

freshest4live:

I'm not sure you know what you are talking about, l have friends from Delta state who go to India for short courses, and they describe it as far too dirty. So l don't know what you mean by my average slum.
Also your post should educate your fellow Kenyans who boasted a while ago that Indians find Kenya better than India and so they troop in there for that reason.

iamord:
ghana has practically every resource nigeria has so its strong enough to stand o its weight if corruption is reduced and proper policies are being implemented

Nowenuse:


Yes, that was because we had independent regions where everyone controlled his rescources.
We were not competing with each other for Central control of rescources.

freshest4live:

Yeah l was about making this point all the time but kicked against it cos they would never understand. While we know about jos and kano(dangote's birth place), l do not know how progressive the rest of the north is. Sharia law there might be a problem and they multiply our population at a faster rate.

TayserMahiri:




I don't believe in Him, but I like some of his attributes. Not his big fan though.

So you counted 25? Can you tell us which was your first and last floor to count? Did you count the dome structure at the top? It also caters for the height! As Karmakill told you, there were to be two penthouses at the top initially, which was revised in the final render. You should see some extra protrusion at the left edge of the top. So if you counted from the front side, know you need to add an extra floor, I hope you have some sense of scale. There you go 25 + 1 = 26. That is 26 floors without counting the dome structure. I am sure you counted the basement!

Nowenuse:



Kenyans and Indians are more united religiously than Nigeria having an overwhelming Hindu/christian majority. Both countries only have ethnic issues to battle with.

Do you know how many lives have been lost in Nigeria due to religious clashes? People play evil politics of religion in Nigeria at the detriment of the welfare of their people just because they want their religion to dominate the country.

At least 30% of Nigerians are muslim fanatics and most of them are illiterates.
What progress do you really expect from such people??

Why won't our HDI be lower when a part of the country always drag it down?

TayserMahiri:



Am lost!

freshest4live:

Yeah l was about making this point all the time but kicked against it cos they would never understand. While we know about jos and kano(dangote's birth place), l do not know how progressive the rest of the north is. Sharia law there might be a problem and they multiply our population at a faster rate.

TayserMahiri:


Yea, we are the ones on steroids. Not Nigeria

TayserMahiri:


If only you knew the pains we have gone to to keep radical Islam in check!! We've had to kill a few of those terrible Sheikhs for the better good. Its not like we had it on a silver platter! Having roughly the entire eastern half of kenya being Muslim and neigbouring Somalia is no joke.

nemesis2u:


by your slums i meant slums all over the world

your friends have their own opinion , i cant comment on that , i was in US , i found many places there dirty too. no great deal

the fact is, u will find shiitt if ur looking for shhitt

Indians working in Kenya will always praise Kenya , that is a basic rule to be followed by a well mannered guest in a host country.

if u guys r looking to compare countries best way to do is by comparing

1. education standards and facilities

2. manufacturing capabilities and facilities

3. scientific and engineering R & D

4. military capabilities and assets

5. space related capabilities and achievements

6. transportation/logistics assets, infrastructure and capabilities

7. power generation and related manufacturing capabilities

8. ship building capabilities and infrastructure

9. aviation related capabilities and infrastructure

10. agriculture related capabilities and infrastructure

etc based on official sources like UN data , internationally reputed analysis and ratings bodies etc not blogs, small time news/electronic media and youtube videos

posting pics of high rise buildings is not a yard stick to compare countries , including hearsay like "my friend told me this" etc

dont mind me i was just browsing through and having a good time in general, its fun

Nowenuse:


Well, you have to learn better about the north. Cos, you cannot analyze the problems of your country rationally unless you know your country very well.

Are you a graduate? If yes, didn't you go for NYSC in the north?

Hbuyosh:


We understand that. Nigeria over the years has been bedevilled by problems that have hampered its development prospects.

Religious tensions are so uncommon here. But Kenyans are not that very united though, I kid u not. We know that tribalism is rife in Nigeria, but in Kenya it is toxic, u can imagine to the extent of causing a fotum site like this one having to shut down cos the very divisive messages posted therein.
If there was a way to metricize national cohesion, Kenya would surely featuer at the very bottom of the table.

In Kenya, as it is the case in Nigeria the southern part of the country is better progressed than the Nothern regions, was it to be excised from the rest of Kenya.....well, they dragging us down in the every development rankings. But is it not their fault entirely. Our previous govts marginalized them for sone reasons. However, with the new constitutional dispensation guaranteeing development to the grassroots, things are opening up in those regions.

forgiveness:


The fact that you like some of his attributes means, you know there is God but you don't know how to believe him.

You are not different from those who worship him but doesn't believe in Him.

To believe in God is very easy if you know how to believe.

I have seen the protrusion, that makes it 26 floors. And if we count the dome then it's 27 floors and the three basement, it's 30 floors.

How do I know? See the snapshots below.

The first snapshot indicated the total floors as 30 floors and 126m as the height. Meaning, they measure from the basement to the dome to arrive at 126m.

The second snapshot broke down every floors according to their uses.

That is why most sites don't include the dome and the basements to arrive at 26 floors and also reduced the height to 98m. This is what I have been trying to say all along.

Nowenuse:


First of all, what is the major difference btw Zarma and Buzu? I always see them to be the same.
I seem to see you hinting about Zarma/buzus from Kebbi/Sokoto. Are there Zarma/buzu indigenous communities in Nigeria?? I never tot there were, If yes, can you help me list them if you know them?


Seriously, these Zarma people from Niger republic, i don't understand them at all.
How come most beggars from Niger republic are buzu/Zarma whereas a lot of them are rich people changing dollars??

Yes, we all know of their diabolism and unpure ways, but how come do these people manage to mix islam and such diabolism??

Also, i think this clustering together of northerners in one place in the south should be discouraged. It usually makes them easy targets in case of crises. See the case of Ile-ife. It also helps to breed some level of unruliness and extremism among the youths, thinking that they are now large in numbers and can thus challenge their hosts.

Apart from maybe the Nupes, those of us from middlebelt/Taraba/Adamawa and Southern kaduna, we hardly live in ethnic clusters in the South, and this helps us integrate with the southerners better and develop ourselves.
You may not share my views, but you can see that i have a point here.

Nowenuse:


If you guys take the HDI of Southern Nigeria alone, do you think Ghana or Kenya will come any close?

Nigeria is too complex. This is the reason why many Southern Nigerians are fighting for the division, seccesion and restructuring of Nigeria.

Imagine if Ghana was one country with Burkina faso and Mali. Or Kenya was one country with Somalia and Sudan. Do you think you guys would have progressed as you have now??

Nowenuse:


Of course you'd be lost.

Sometimes you non Nigerians just drag Nigeria into some comparisons without understanding anything about our history.

Nigeria was never one country. The British amalgamated 2 different independent protectorates as one. And even after the amalgamation, we operated regionalism in Nigeria where every region controlled it's own rescources, had it's own idependent body of legislation and developed it's people independently....

Then, the central govt was very weak and meant mainly for a united armed force and international relationship, nothing else.

Hbuyosh:
Yes, our economy has been raving at 6% annual growth, since 2010. We are good, though not yet up there.

Nowenuse:


You can imagine? You guys can even kill muslim sheiks and go free.
If Southern Nigerians try such a thing, the kind of war that will ensue Nigeria will send millions of Nigerian refugees all over the world.
What do you think caused the Nigerian civil war where over 3 million people died in 1967-1970?

You really don't know what it is for a country to be 50/50 divided btw Islam and another religion (especially when the muslims are fanatics).
Better go and ask the Lebanese and people of Old India (before division of India), or better still old Sudan.
Old united Sudan and India did not live to tell the tale.

TayserMahiri:



So the dancing guys were the more opulent ones. Good to know you are promoting tourism, Sudan has been a pariah for quite long. English would be one way of doing that. Are those pyramids archaeologically studied? Good to see parks too. If I ask, how comes Bashir has stayed in power that long? Is it via democracy or does he belong to a ruling class mafia!

Are those pyramids archaeologically studied?

If I ask, how comes Bashir has stayed in power that long?

Is it via democracy or does he belong to a ruling class mafia!

freshest4live:

OK fair enough. Are you Indian? I like the way you guys spin your head when talking.

TayserMahiri:



You use hit men! The state is not involved in any way