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Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by DunceNLMods: 1:01am On Jun 21, 2017
tesppidd:
okay okay. You want the lingua franca as English. Then the school electives as French and Spanish right? At least we read our bibles with English, so how would the Muslims read their Koran? I am not a Muslim, as a matter of fact I am Christian but frankly you are very selfish. There are over 70 million Christians in Nigeria who need English to study their bibles. There are also over 70 million Muslims who need Arabic to study their Koran. So is Spanish more beneficial to Nigeria than Arabic? You are selfish.

You be idiot. Leave English as the official language and teach CRK and Arabic.
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by DunceNLMods: 1:27am On Jun 21, 2017
obailala:


Arabic is useless to me, Arabic is useless to you, but it is useful and more preferred (than French) to over 70 million people living up in northern Nigeria. This is common sense.

Now can you kindly tell me the advantages of French to a secondary sxhool pupil in Nigeria?

Whuch 70 million people. Besides why take a backwards, religious extremist language widely associated with terrorism. Abeg if una one learn am do it at the state level. Even that una STUPID sharia and OIC things no make sense.
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by Splashme: 6:14am On Jun 21, 2017
Kdon2:


Mbaka is omo ale too.
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by tesppidd: 6:56am On Jun 21, 2017
DunceNLMods:


You be idiot. Leave English as the official language and teach CRK and Arabic.
see this malu! CRK is CHRISTIAN religious knowledge. So why not ISLAMIC religious knowledge as well? Is Arabic a religion? You be real akamu!

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Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 7:28am On Jun 21, 2017
magoo10:

thanks for the info but its not complete,i need a link where these changes were outrightly spelt out. are you also telling me that all these individuals shouting foul don't have the correct info at their palms,fani kayode and reno omokri were members of Jonathan administration, are you telling me you have enough info than them regards this issue?
when you say Jonathan endorsed it did you mean the decision was passed to him for endorsement or he had already endorsed it?
was it to be endorsed on pry sec school level or the higher institutions?
In a circular state as Nigeria where there is two major religion as Christians and Muslims don't you think there are bound to be agitations of this nature when one religions study as such as islamic religious study is chosen with a French subject as option and vise versa?
Lastly you said people dont read before joining the band wagon ,is there anywhere in the post where education summit of 2014 was mentioned?

Hmm........ Ok I will painstakingly take time to answer your questions

1. If you need a link where it is outrightly spelt out, the latest one I believe are these;
(a) http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/234607-nigerian-govt-reacts-controversy-alleged-de-listing-christian-islamic-subjects.html#.WUlzgvR2GHA.twitter
(b) http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/nerdc-says-crk-not-removed-from-schools-curriculum/
(c) http://pubs.sciepub.com/education/3/1/7/

Much more importantly let me lift some clear statements from the reports

“The Management of NERDC hereby reiterates categorically and unequivocally to all Nigerians that the subject offerings (Civic Education, Social Studies, Christian Religious Knowledge, Islamic Studies and Security Education) under the Religion and National Values Curriculum are distinct.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/nerdc-says-crk-not-removed-from-schools-curriculum/

“We have developed a curriculum on Religion and National Values to expose pupils to see relationship between moral values – which entails religion, social values – and civic values,” Mrs. Nwufo said.
She said the NERDC developed the curriculum in partnership with the Independent Corrupt Practices and other related offences Commission.

The latest curriculum was adopted in 2012 under the administration of former President Goodluck Jonathan and is not due for review until 2019, the acting executive secretary said.

Mrs. Nwufo said “teachers across the country have been adequately trained” on how to use the curriculum.
“A teachers’ guide was also handed to them.” she added
She further stated that even then, religious subjects were never directed to be taught together, they are to be taught by different teachers and at different times.

She said CAN was part of the committee that designed the latest curriculum alongside other Islamic leaders.
“We wrote to CAN and they presented two candidates to us in persons of Ray Chukwura of ECWA Goodnews and Dominick Oleagbe from Ahmadu Bello University Zaria,” she claimed.

I also encourage you to use google to search and download the report of the 2012 National Education Summit, it will be very voluminous tho, but if you can take the pains.

Now to your questions pointedly
1.
are you also telling me that all these individuals shouting foul don't have the correct info at their palms,fani kayode and reno omokri were members of Jonathan administration, are you telling me you have enough info than them regards this issue?

Well, judging from the weight of evidence I have supplied and much more still available, these are questions you should direct to these people. I am concerned that Nigerians are such gullible people that we rely on what is "thrown" at us without crtitically reviewing the authenticity of it. Reno Omokri had an antecedent of spreading falsehood. It was he who was found out to have sent a false news about SLS to BBC, VOA etc under the fake name "Wendel Simlin", allegedly linking SLS to Boko Haram. When he was confronted with evidence (The metadata of the document showing his true name, his computer at Aso Rock and ip addresses all coming from Aso Rock) till date he has not denied it. Pray tell, what intellectual accumen has FFK demonstrated to you in the past that suggest he is an authority of sort? His write-ups is shallow to me, factually incorrect most of the times and mostly stirring up ethnic hatred. CAN on the other hand had gone to the dogs since the days of Ayo Oritsejafor. His present stooge is not any better....... so naturally when you see such people making assertive statements, you need to check the authenticity of it


when you say Jonathan endorsed it did you mean the decision was passed to him for endorsement or he had already endorsed it?
was it to be endorsed on pry sec school level or the higher institutions?

Educational curriculum are reviewed I think every 5-10 years. The recommendations are passed to the President for approval. Once the president approves, it is ready for execution. GEJ was the president then. I think you should familiarise yourself with NERDC website http://nerdc.org.ng/eCurriculum/CurriculumStructure.aspx so that you don't ask questions on issues that answers are already provided

In a circular state as Nigeria where there is two major religion as Christians and Muslims don't you think there are bound to be agitations of this nature when one religions study as such as islamic religious study is chosen with a French subject as option and vise versa?

Sincerely my answers to you on this point are these;

1. Islamic religious study is not an alternative option to French. This is the lie CAN, Reno and FFK has been feeding people. Arabic Studies is the alternate to French. In fact one of the trio also try to cunningly confuse people by calling it Islamic Arabic Studies
2. I don't know how old you are..... I started my secondary education in 1988/89. I got into secondary school about the time 6334 system of education started. Right from that time Arabic studies had been the alternate option with French. It was never a problem then.......
3. Arabic as a language predated Islam. It is spoken in the middle east and even some part of Israel.
3. We Christian are shooting ourselves in the foot with unnecessary ignorance. The world is so diverse and people with knowledge of second and third languages have the leverage to advance in career and business better than others. We translate bible into Arabic languages to spread the gospel, yet we are opposing having it in the curriculum, even when it is not infringing on our rights.

Lastly you said people dont read before joining the band wagon ,is there anywhere in the post where education summit of 2014 was mentioned?

Definitely, if people had gone to the records and not rely on NL posters many of whom are naiive and ignorant, then you would have found out the origin of the what birthed the new curriculum

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Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 8:04am On Jun 21, 2017
larrybee2017:

E ya hope you are OK now, cause I can see you don't seem to be when you type this trash. Do you even read newspapers or you are the type who pick info from iya biliki?

Unfortunately, you come way too low.....in intellect, as such where do I start from to engage you?
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 8:05am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:


just look at this mumu way no day read or watch news or no wetin they go on around the world..u wont even know what religious tension is called even when it hits u in the face

Sure, I do know religious tension and I can also separate it from stirring up unnecessary lies to cause religious tension...... so take your pick
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by dyydxx: 8:18am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


Hmm........ Ok I will painstakingly take time to answer your questions

1. If you need a link where it is outrightly spelt out, the latest one I believe are these;
(a) http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/234607-nigerian-govt-reacts-controversy-alleged-de-listing-christian-islamic-subjects.html#.WUlzgvR2GHA.twitter
(b) http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/nerdc-says-crk-not-removed-from-schools-curriculum/
(c) http://pubs.sciepub.com/education/3/1/7/

Much more importantly let me lift some clear statements from the reports











I also encourage you to use google to search and download the report of the 2012 National Education Summit, it will be very voluminous tho, but if you can take the pains.

Now to your questions pointedly
1.

Well, judging from the weight of evidence I have supplied and much more still available, these are questions you should direct to these people. I am concerned that Nigerians are such gullible people that we rely on what is "thrown" at us without crtitically reviewing the authenticity of it. Reno Omokri had an antecedent of spreading falsehood. It was he who was found out to have sent a false news about SLS to BBC, VOA etc under the fake name "Wendel Simlin", allegedly linking SLS to Boko Haram. When he was confronted with evidence (The metadata of the document showing his true name, his computer at Aso Rock and ip addresses all coming from Aso Rock) till date he has not denied it. Pray tell, what intellectual accumen has FFK demonstrated to you in the past that suggest he is an authority of sort? His write-ups is shallow to me, factually incorrect most of the times and mostly stirring up ethnic hatred. CAN on the other hand had gone to the dogs since the days of Ayo Oritsejafor. His present stooge is not any better....... so naturally when you see such people making assertive statements, you need to check the authenticity of it




Educational curriculum are reviewed I think every 5-10 years. The recommendations are passed to the President for approval. Once the president approves, it is ready for execution. GEJ was the president then. I think you should familiarise yourself with NERDC website http://nerdc.org.ng/eCurriculum/CurriculumStructure.aspx so that you don't ask questions on issues that answers are already provided



Sincerely my answers to you on this point are these;

1. Islamic religious study is not an alternative option to French. This is the lie CAN, Reno and FFK has been feeding people. Arabic Studies is the alternate to French. In fact one of the trio also try to cunningly confuse people by calling it Islamic Arabic Studies
2. I don't know how old you are..... I started my secondary education in 1988/89. I got into secondary school about the time 6334 system of education started. Right from that time Arabic studies had been the alternate option with French. It was never a problem then.......
3. Arabic as a language predated Islam. It is spoken in the middle east and even some part of Israel.
3. We Christian are shooting ourselves in the foot with unnecessary ignorance. The world is so diverse and people with knowledge of second and third languages have the leverage to advance in career and business better than others. We translate bible into Arabic languages to spread the gospel, yet we are opposing having it in the curriculum, even when it is not infringing on our rights.



Definitely, if people had gone to the records and not rely on NL posters many of whom are naiive and ignorant, then you would have found out the origin of the what birthed the new curriculum






Thank you for your objective analysis. I love folks we can chat with dispassionately looking at the facts. Please there is a simple question I want to ask

1. what is the criteria for choosing Arabic? We can understand french, Nigeria is surrounding by french speaking neighbors. Arabic is only useful for the muslim faithful, it has a religious colouration or tint to it. Why would any policy leader choose a religiously charged subject in a supposedly Neutral country like Nigeria. We know there are arabic christians and arab jews, we know non muslim speak it but we also know it is the lingua franca of the islamic world. And since the North is majority Muslim, it is meant to help them assimilate and understand the religion. why should one make that kind of a policy in a religiously charged country like Nigeria that is supposed to be Neutral. A policy that ony helps one religion but not the others. Why didn't they add hebrew or Greek too and make it wide ranging.

2. To also see the cynicism in the policy, they didn't add other languages like Spanish, Swahili, German or Cantonese/Mandarin. Only french and Arabic and they are saying it's for the good of the country.

Can you respond to this please. Looking at the facts, Arabic is not the most spoken language in Africa or the World. Off what purpose is the Arabic Language to a Nigerian student if not to entrench and propagate islam
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 8:25am On Jun 21, 2017
This is the report from the International Centre for Investigative Reporting - Nigeria.
http://saharareporters.com/2017/06/20/fact-check-has-buhari-removed-christian-religious-studies-secondary-school-curriculum

Discussions about the “removal” of Christian Religious Studies (CRS) from Nigeria’s secondary school curriculum have been ongoing since June 14 when a delegation of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) paid a courtesy call on Acting President Yemi Osinbajo at the State House.


Nigerian secondary school students
ICIR Nigeria
During the visit, Samson Ayokunle, the CAN president, pointed out that whereas the new curriculum stipulates that CRS – also referred to as Christian Religious Knowledge (CRK) – will no longer exist as a subject on its own, Islamic/Arabic Studies and French have been introduced.

Ayokunle told Osinbajo that the curriculum had earlier been dropped by the ministry of education after CAN raised objections. He however expressed surprise that the same curriculum had resurfaced.

“This curriculum is the brain-child of Nigerian Educational Research Council, an agency of the Federal Ministry of Education. To us in CAN, its introduction is an ill-wind that blows nobody any good for so many reasons,” he had said.

THE GENESIS


Ismail Junaidu
ICIR Nigeria
The curriculum, which has now assumed national importance all of a sudden, actually took effect from the beginning of 2015 as announced by Ismail Junaidu, Executive Secretary of the Nigerian Educational Research and Development Council (NERDC), a parastatal of the federal ministry of education.

This means that it was drafted and approved by the Goodluck Jonathan administration.

The education ministry explained that a new curriculum was introduced to prune down the number of subjects offered by primary and secondary school students in accordance with international best practices.

Among other things, a new subject called Religion and National Values (RNV) was introduced in the new curriculum, comprising Christian Religious Studies (CRS) and Islamic Religious Studies (IRS), Civic Education, Social Studies, and Security Education.

All these used to be separate subjects on their own, except Security Education, which was newly introduced as a result of the challenges of the Boko Haram insurgency.

SO, WHAT IS THE MATTER?

Harmless and innovative as the idea may sound, religious leaders from both the Christian and Muslim divides think it is a bad idea to merge CRS and IRS.

They feel both should remain separate entities as they have always been and let children be taught the religion of their parents instead of forcing a Muslim child, for instance, to take CRS lessons or vice versa.


Nicholas Okoh, Primate of the Anglican Church in Nigeria
ICIR Nigeria
According to Nicholas Okoh, Primate of the Anglican Church in Nigeria, the ministry of education has no right to merge both subjects into one. “We recognize our differences, but we call for unity … Let Muslims be Muslims and Christians be Christians,” the clergy man was quoted as saying in May.

This was strongly supported by Ralph Madura, a priest and the secretary-general of the Catholic Bishops Conference of Nigeria (CBCN), who said that that the so-called merger “would create confusion”.

“Every right-thinking person knows that religion is a very sensitive issue in this country,” he added.

Lakin Akintola of the Muslim Rights Concern (MURIC), the new curriculum reduces the role of religion in national development.

According to him, by merging the study of the two biggest religions in the country, FG is simply telling the kids that religion does not matter.

“If the Federal Government educates Nigerians without a special place for religion,” he warns, “it will only succeed in producing clever devils.”

FACT


Screenshot of the NERDC website
ICIR Nigeria
According to the new curriculum as published on the website of NERDC, the subjects to be offered by students include: English, Mathematics, Nigerian Languages, Basic Science and Technology (BST), Religion and National Values (RNV), Cultural and Creative Arts, CCA, and Arabic.

Under RNV it is stated as follows:

Listed components will serve as themes in the Religion and National Values Curriculum
Contents are planned for all children to take Social Studies, Civic Education and Security Education themes
Separate classes should be run for CRS theme and IS theme
Consumer Education, Disaster Risk Reduction Education and Peace and Conflict Resolution curricula are infused into the Civic Education, Social Studies and Security Education Themes.
Create enabling environment for the subject in all schools
Also in the curriculum, Arabic was marked as “optional”.

Also, Junaidu had explained, on many occasions, the so-called merging of CRS and IRS.

He blamed the unnecessary fuss over the issue on the “ignorant and greedy publishers” of the text books for the subjects.

“In all, we have not changed the contents; the contents are intact,” he said.

“I wouldn’t like to use the word merged, because when you use the word, merging, it would look like you are taking them (both CRS and IRS) as one.

“As far as the listing is concerned, they are standing as distinct courses, but merged under one subject listing.

“In each of these, we made provisions for periods to be set aside for teaching CRS, we have periods set aside for IRS, and we have periods set aside for teaching Social Studies.

“When we developed the curriculum, we also developed the teachers’ guide; and each of these teachers’ guide is separate.”

BOTTOM LINE


Catholic Cardinal John Onaiyekan and Muslim Imam Ustaz Muhammad march together at #BBOG protest
ICIR Nigeria
Religion is no doubt a very delicate issue in Nigeria, much more delicate than even tribal sentiments, hence caution should be applied when dealing with such issues.

Criticism of the new curriculum by Christian and Muslim leaders suggests that adequate consultation was not carried out during the formulation of the policy.

Nigerians remain divided on whether the new curriculum should be reviewed again to reflect some important subjects – history for instance – that were surreptitiously expunged years ago.

Some say the teaching of core religion should be left for the churches and the mosques but many feel a better approach ought to have been adopted by the government before announcing the new curriculum.

And as the brouhaha continues, the words of Wole Soyinka, the noble laureate, came readily to mind, that “If we do not tame religion in Nigeria, religion will kill us.”

CONCLUSION

Has Buhari removed Christian Religious Studies (CRS) from the curriculum, as currently being bandied about on social media?

The answer is NO. What is in place is a course comprising both Christian and Islamic themes with the teaching of national values.

This report was written by Kingsley Obiejesi of the International Centre for Investigative Reporting - Nigeria.
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by magoo10(m): 8:37am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


Hmm........ Ok I will painstakingly take time to answer your questions

1. If you need a link where it is outrightly spelt out, the latest one I believe are these;
(a) http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/234607-nigerian-govt-reacts-controversy-alleged-de-listing-christian-islamic-subjects.html#.WUlzgvR2GHA.twitter
(b) http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/nerdc-says-crk-not-removed-from-schools-curriculum/
(c) http://pubs.sciepub.com/education/3/1/7/

Much more importantly let me lift some clear statements from the reports











I also encourage you to use google to search and download the report of the 2012 National Education Summit, it will be very voluminous tho, but if you can take the pains.

Now to your questions pointedly
1.

Well, judging from the weight of evidence I have supplied and much more still available, these are questions you should direct to these people. I am concerned that Nigerians are such gullible people that we rely on what is "thrown" at us without crtitically reviewing the authenticity of it. Reno Omokri had an antecedent of spreading falsehood. It was he who was found out to have sent a false news about SLS to BBC, VOA etc under the fake name "Wendel Simlin", allegedly linking SLS to Boko Haram. When he was confronted with evidence (The metadata of the document showing his true name, his computer at Aso Rock and ip addresses all coming from Aso Rock) till date he has not denied it. Pray tell, what intellectual accumen has FFK demonstrated to you in the past that suggest he is an authority of sort? His write-ups is shallow to me, factually incorrect most of the times and mostly stirring up ethnic hatred. CAN on the other hand had gone to the dogs since the days of Ayo Oritsejafor. His present stooge is not any better....... so naturally when you see such people making assertive statements, you need to check the authenticity of it




Educational curriculum are reviewed I think every 5-10 years. The recommendations are passed to the President for approval. Once the president approves, it is ready for execution. GEJ was the president then. I think you should familiarise yourself with NERDC website http://nerdc.org.ng/eCurriculum/CurriculumStructure.aspx so that you don't ask questions on issues that answers are already provided



Sincerely my answers to you on this point are these;

1. Islamic religious study is not an alternative option to French. This is the lie CAN, Reno and FFK has been feeding people. Arabic Studies is the alternate to French. In fact one of the trio also try to cunningly confuse people by calling it Islamic Arabic Studies
2. I don't know how old you are..... I started my secondary education in 1988/89. I got into secondary school about the time 6334 system of education started. Right from that time Arabic studies had been the alternate option with French. It was never a problem then.......
3. Arabic as a language predated Islam. It is spoken in the middle east and even some part of Israel.
3. We Christian are shooting ourselves in the foot with unnecessary ignorance. The world is so diverse and people with knowledge of second and third languages have the leverage to advance in career and business better than others. We translate bible into Arabic languages to spread the gospel, yet we are opposing having it in the curriculum, even when it is not infringing on our rights.



Definitely, if people had gone to the records and not rely on NL posters many of whom are naiive and ignorant, then you would have found out the origin of the what birthed the new curriculum





thanks for the numerous information's given and I don't doubt your veracity in the area of discuss. but then why is it that there hasn't been a cry about this since Jonathan adopted it or implemented it as you said ,why are people just crying now if it has been happening since or did the present govt adopt it now so that when people start crying they will say 'ha it is not us o it is oga Jonathan who adopted it' so every body will start saying crucify Jonathan crucify Jonathan just as we have been hearing for the past two years.
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by dyydxx: 8:42am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:
This is the report from the International Centre for Investigative Reporting - Nigeria.
http://saharareporters.com/2017/06/20/fact-check-has-buhari-removed-christian-religious-studies-secondary-school-curriculum


I'm yet to see an logical explanation as to why Arabic studies is the alternative to french if it's not to pacify the Islamic North. Please correct me with facts if I am wrong. What is the basis of having Arabic as an alternative Language to Learn considering the other Languages in the World. Nigeria is not surrounded by Arabic neighbours, if so we can understand. Also, Arabic is not the most spoken language in Africa as a whole. In West Africa, Arabic is also not the most spoken Language. What informed the decision to designate Arabic since the 1970s or whenever if it's not islamic minded or if there are no religious colouration to it?
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by dyydxx: 8:50am On Jun 21, 2017
Somebodee:
What i said was arabic is ONE of d TOP 3 OFFICIAL lang spoken in africa and across the world..(hope u get it nw, if nt, take a chill pill).. How many countries hve swahili as their official lang.? nt more than 5 nd they're all in Africa(east africa precisely). check that of arabic.. There are about 100m speakers of swahili worlwide agreed, check that of arabic nd compare, then do justice in ur judgement.. For ur information, the so-called swahili u're talking about was originally written in arabic script.. i knw u hve got no idea on this.. jst like u hve said, google is ur friend.. do d needful.. so next time don't b silly.. ok

spanish has more speakers worldwide? why not spanish then....why must it be arabic that is the lingua franca of the islamic world. why must students growing up in Nigeria have the option of french or arabic without spanish or other languages that have far wider speaakers globally like mandarin and others. why arabic if not to entrench islam?

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Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 8:56am On Jun 21, 2017
dyydxx:


Thank you for your objective analysis. I love folks we can chat with dispassionately looking at the facts. Please there is a simple question I want to ask

1. what is the criteria for choosing Arabic? We can understand french, Nigeria is surrounding by french speaking neighbors. Arabic is only useful for the muslim faithful, it has a religious colouration or tint to it. Why would any policy leader choose a religiously charged subject in a supposedly Neutral country like Nigeria. We know there are arabic christians and arab jews, we know non muslim speak it but we also know it is the lingua franca of the islamic world. And since the North is majority Muslim, it is meant to help them assimilate and understand the religion. why should one make that kind of a policy in a religiously charged country like Nigeria that is supposed to be Neutral. A policy that ony helps one religion but not the others. Why didn't they add hebrew or Greek too and make it wide ranging.

2. To also see the cynicism in the policy, they didn't add other languages like Spanish, Swahili, German or Cantonese/Mandarin. Only french and Arabic and they are saying it's for the good of the country.

Can you respond to this please. Looking at the facts, Arabic is not the most spoken language in Africa or the World. Off what purpose is the Arabic Language to a Nigerian student if not to entrench and propagate islam

My Bros,

Let me put your question in perspective, hopefully you will see my answer.

1. Whatever was the criteria for choosing Arabic, it is instructive to note that Arabic has been a subject in the curriculum since the 80s to the best of my knowledge. So it is not a new introduction
2. You also need to understand how subjects are introduced into the students curriculum. I do not think "immediate surrounding" is the only criteria
3.
Arabic is only useful for the muslim faithful, it has a religious colouration or tint to it.
This statement is not factual....and I dare say it is just a reflection of your feelings/opinion. Arabic is useful and spoken by both muslim faithfuls and others. In the business world, many multinationals of western origin operating in the middle east have special language courses in Arabic for their expats. Arabic is useful to Christian, as knowledge of it enhances evangelism......and trust me on this, there are missionary move currently to evangelise the muslim world from Libya to the heart of Saudi Arabia
4.
And since the North is majority Muslim, it is meant to help them assimilate and understand the religion. why should one make that kind of a policy in a religiously charged country like Nigeria that is supposed to be Neutral. A policy that ony helps one religion but not the others
....How did you come to this misconstrued notion, with no factual reference? Since there is already provision for IRK, if there is anything to help Muslims "understand and assimilate the religion", logically is should be IRK. Arabic is a language just like any other language.....But let's flip this around, and ask of what use will French be to the northerners if their commerce orientation is drifted towards the Middle East? But you know what? Some of these Northerners also speak French because of their proximity to French speaking African countries (Niger & Cameroun)
5.
A policy that ony helps one religion but not the others. Why didn't they add hebrew or Greek too and make it wide ranging
. If going by your argument Arabic helps one religion (Islam) but not the others (Christianity for example), can we by the same token ask why do the policy retain English language which helps one religion (Christianity) but not the other (Islam). Perspectives! Perspectives!! Perspectives!!!

6............but that said, a bigger question is Arabic Studies in the curriculum has always been an optional subject. In this new curriculum it is one of the optional subjects in the maximum 2 elective course provisions. How as that hurt anybody? Even the Muslims can choose not to take Arabic. I remember in my school days, some Muslim students chose CRK as against IRK

7.
To also see the cynicism in the policy, they didn't add other languages like Spanish, Swahili, German or Cantonese/Mandarin. Only french and Arabic and they are saying it's for the good of the country.
This your proposal ideally passes through debates at break-out sessions during the National Educational Summit, where all the seasoned education professionals and leaders of thought in Education, National Policies and Business debate the relevance, viability, resource capacity and timing of any of the languages. My question to you is Do you want us to introduce Spanish, Swahili, German or Cantonese/Mandarin into our curriculum just to "counter-balance" Arabic or that it is absolutely relevant to our National Educational strategic objective?

8. Finally,
Can you respond to this please. Looking at the facts, Arabic is not the most spoken language in Africa or the World. Off what purpose is the Arabic Language to a Nigerian student if not to entrench and propagate islam

Well except you can show me stats that the objective of Arabic Studies is to propagate Islam, I will take this statement as not factual. Secondly, Arabic studies is optional..... therefore will be useful to those that opts to take it. Of what purpose is Arabic to Nigeria students? Simple, the knowledge of a second language increases their potential to compete in the International business, education and socio-cultural space.
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 9:01am On Jun 21, 2017
dyydxx:


I'm yet to see an logical explanation as to why Arabic studies is the alternative to french if it's not to pacify the Islamic North. Please correct me with facts if I am wrong. What is the basis of having Arabic as an alternative Language to Learn considering the other Languages in the World. Nigeria is not surrounded by Arabic neighbours, if so we can understand. Also, Arabic is not the most spoken language in Africa as a whole. In West Africa, Arabic is also not the most spoken Language. What informed the decision to designate Arabic since the 1970s or whenever if it's not islamic minded or if there are no religious colouration to it?

A simple start is a region that has more than 50% population of Nigeria made a case for it and got it
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 9:10am On Jun 21, 2017
magoo10:

thanks for the numerous information's given and I don't doubt your veracity in the area of discuss. but then why is it that there hasn't been a cry about this since Jonathan adopted it or implemented it as you said ,why are people just crying now if it has been happening since or did the present govt adopt it now so that when people start crying they will say 'ha it is not us o it is oga Jonathan who adopted it' so every body will start saying crucify Jonathan crucify Jonathan just as we have been hearing for the past two years.

1. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the new curriculum
2. GEJ did not only the natural thing(endorse it) but the right thing in doing so. Everywhere in the world, the academic curriculum is reviewed and improved upon. It is absurd that we stay static and not improve our educational system
3. Why the cry now? Simple! the people that are crying now (especially the Renos, FFK and CAN president of this world) are the people that have agenda. The big question is why would people who served in GEJ's government where this policy was developed be the ones falsifying facts?
4. The present government can only do the natural thing. The policy is good, workable and should improve our educational system. Which government in her right senses will not implement it? Mind you another review is due in 2019.
5.
....or did the present govt adopt it now so that when people start crying they will say 'ha it is not us o it is oga Jonathan who adopted it' so every body will start saying crucify Jonathan crucify Jonathan just as we have been hearing for the past two years.
I cannot respond to this part because it is needless and useless to the progress of education. Uninformed people can come up with useless assumptions, there are times you just move on with implementation and let people see the results at the end of the day. The most important thing is that the Educational policy is to benefit the Nigerian Child/Student
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by asovital(m): 9:13am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:


lies...arabic is number 5 and french is not even in the top 10...see for urself and stop spreading lies..but about 220 million still speak french..we are not talking about french here..we are talking of arabic..what of spanish instead of arabic
I wrote in terms of number of countries not population of peoples that are speaking the languages, try to read and understand before u castigate so u will not seem........... ? u can feel the gap
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 9:15am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


My Bros,

Let me put your question in perspective, hopefully you will see my answer.

1. Whatever was the criteria for choosing Arabic, it is instructive to note that Arabic has been a subject in the curriculum since the 80s to the best of my knowledge. So it is not a new introduction
2. You also need to understand how subjects are introduced into the students curriculum. I do not think "immediate surrounding" is the only criteria
3. This statement is not factual....and I dare say it is just a reflection of your feelings/opinion. Arabic is useful and spoken by both muslim faithfuls and others. In the business world, many multinationals of western origin operating in the middle east have special language courses in Arabic for their expats. Arabic is useful to Christian, as knowledge of it enhances evangelism......and trust me on this, there are missionary move currently to evangelise the muslim world from Libya to the heart of Saudi Arabia
4. ....How did you come to this misconstrued notion, with no factual reference? Since there is already provision for IRK, if there is anything to help Muslims "understand and assimilate the religion", logically is should be IRK. Arabic is a language just like any other language.....But let's flip this around, and ask of what use will French be to the northerners if their commerce orientation is drifted towards the Middle East? But you know what? Some of these Northerners also speak French because of their proximity to French speaking African countries (Niger & Cameroun)
5. . If going by your argument Arabic helps one religion (Islam) but not the others (Christianity for example), can we by the same token ask why do the policy retain English language which helps one religion (Christianity) but not the other (Islam). Perspectives! Perspectives!! Perspectives!!!

6............but that said, a bigger question is Arabic Studies in the curriculum has always been an optional subject. In this new curriculum it is one of the optional subjects in the maximum 2 elective course provisions. How as that hurt anybody? Even the Muslims can choose not to take Arabic. I remember in my school days, some Muslim students chose CRK as against IRK

7.
This your proposal ideally passes through debates at break-out sessions during the National Educational Summit, where all the seasoned education professionals and leaders of thought in Education, National Policies and Business debate the relevance, viability, resource capacity and timing of any of the languages. My question to you is Do you want us to introduce Spanish, Swahili, German or Cantonese/Mandarin into our curriculum just to "counter-balance" Arabic or that it is absolutely relevant to our National Educational strategic objective?

8. Finally,

Well except you can show me stats that the objective of Arabic Studies is to propagate Islam, I will take this statement as not factual. Secondly, Arabic studies is optional..... therefore will be useful to those that opts to take it. Of what purpose is Arabic to Nigeria students? Simple, the knowledge of a second language increases their potential to compete in the International business, education and socio-cultural space.


u see that place i highligted..those are lies man...i guess u dont know whats happening around the world...u dare not do ur missonary stuff in saudi arabia..or even carry a bible...the person would be jailed or killed..can u please tell us if ur a muslim or christian..lets know how to direct our message to u
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 9:19am On Jun 21, 2017
asovital:
I wrote in terms of number of countries not population of peoples that are speaking the languages, try to read and understand before u castigate so u will not seem........... ? u can feel the gap

look i dont care abour ur....i wrote in the terms....all we are saying is we dont want arabic as an alternative....u got thatwhat is it that u dont understand before u castigate so u will not seem.......u will the gap because u already know boy...ARABIC IS A LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH RELIGION AND THE RELIGION IS ISLAM...CAN U FILL IN THE GAP NOW
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 9:23am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


Sure, I do know religious tension and I can also separate it from stirring up unnecessary lies to cause religious tension...... so take your pick

mr mapet a lady responded to u...where do u get ur news from is it iyabiliki...LOL..because u live in the south of nigeria i guess and u think theres no religious tension in nigeria and around the world..read the real news bro
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 9:29am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


Hmm........ Ok I will painstakingly take time to answer your questions

1. If you need a link where it is outrightly spelt out, the latest one I believe are these;
(a) http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/234607-nigerian-govt-reacts-controversy-alleged-de-listing-christian-islamic-subjects.html#.WUlzgvR2GHA.twitter
(b) http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/nerdc-says-crk-not-removed-from-schools-curriculum/
(c) http://pubs.sciepub.com/education/3/1/7/

Much more importantly let me lift some clear statements from the reports











I also encourage you to use google to search and download the report of the 2012 National Education Summit, it will be very voluminous tho, but if you can take the pains.

Now to your questions pointedly
1.

Well, judging from the weight of evidence I have supplied and much more still available, these are questions you should direct to these people. I am concerned that Nigerians are such gullible people that we rely on what is "thrown" at us without crtitically reviewing the authenticity of it. Reno Omokri had an antecedent of spreading falsehood. It was he who was found out to have sent a false news about SLS to BBC, VOA etc under the fake name "Wendel Simlin", allegedly linking SLS to Boko Haram. When he was confronted with evidence (The metadata of the document showing his true name, his computer at Aso Rock and ip addresses all coming from Aso Rock) till date he has not denied it. Pray tell, what intellectual accumen has FFK demonstrated to you in the past that suggest he is an authority of sort? His write-ups is shallow to me, factually incorrect most of the times and mostly stirring up ethnic hatred. CAN on the other hand had gone to the dogs since the days of Ayo Oritsejafor. His present stooge is not any better....... so naturally when you see such people making assertive statements, you need to check the authenticity of it




Educational curriculum are reviewed I think every 5-10 years. The recommendations are passed to the President for approval. Once the president approves, it is ready for execution. GEJ was the president then. I think you should familiarise yourself with NERDC website http://nerdc.org.ng/eCurriculum/CurriculumStructure.aspx so that you don't ask questions on issues that answers are already provided



Sincerely my answers to you on this point are these;

1. Islamic religious study is not an alternative option to French. This is the lie CAN, Reno and FFK has been feeding people. Arabic Studies is the alternate to French. In fact one of the trio also try to cunningly confuse people by calling it Islamic Arabic Studies
2. I don't know how old you are..... I started my secondary education in 1988/89. I got into secondary school about the time 6334 system of education started. Right from that time Arabic studies had been the alternate option with French. It was never a problem then.......
3. Arabic as a language predated Islam. It is spoken in the middle east and even some part of Israel.
3. We Christian are shooting ourselves in the foot with unnecessary ignorance. The world is so diverse and people with knowledge of second and third languages have the leverage to advance in career and business better than others. We translate bible into Arabic languages to spread the gospel, yet we are opposing having it in the curriculum, even when it is not infringing on our rights.



Definitely, if people had gone to the records and not rely on NL posters many of whom are naiive and ignorant, then you would have found out the origin of the what birthed the new curriculum







u say

Islamic religious study is not an alternative option to French. This is the lie CAN, Reno and FFK has been feeding people. Arabic Studies is the alternate to French.

whats the difference between islamic religious study and arabic studies...for goodness sakes?please tell us..if u like blow and blow grammar..am not moved...all i know is that we should have had something else...100million people speak swahili in africa...why not swahilii...we dont want arabic as an alternative to anything..stealth jihad always start like that..first its arabic and next it would be compulsory to study it...nigerians dont want to hear arabic and thats the point..no one cares about FFK AND RENO...
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by magoo10(m): 9:37am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


1. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the new curriculum
2. GEJ did not only the natural thing(endorse it) but the right thing in doing so. Everywhere in the world, the academic curriculum is reviewed and improved upon. It is absurd that we stay static and not improve our educational system
3. Why the cry now? Simple! the people that are crying now (especially the Renos, FFK and CAN president of this world) are the people that have agenda. The big question is why would people who served in GEJ's government where this policy was developed be the ones falsifying facts?
4. The present government can only do the natural thing. The policy is good, workable and should improve our educational system. Which government in her right senses will not implement it? Mind you another review is due in 2019.
5.
I cannot respond to this part because it is needless and useless to the progress of education. Uninformed people can come up with useless assumptions, there are times you just move on with implementation and let people see the results at the end of the day. The most important thing is that the Educational policy is to benefit the Nigerian Child/Student
You should answer all the questions because you are now the govts spokesman. I have just read a response from the govt and they were sounding more confused .as they have made to know that the subject is still being taught .whatever the case be let it end there because I don't discuss with people who use abusive languages
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 9:44am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:



u see that place i highligted..those are lies man...i guess u dont know whats happening around the world...u dare not do ur missonary stuff in saudi arabia..or even carry a bible...the person would be jailed or killed..can u please tell us if ur a muslim or christian..lets know how to direct our message to u

Check this http://nematoday.org/vision5015/missions.php?gotopage=index
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 9:46am On Jun 21, 2017
magoo10:

You should answer all the questions because you are now the govts spokesman. I have just read a response from the govt and they were sounding more confused .as they have made to know that the subject is still being taught .whatever the case be let it end there because I don't discuss with people who use abusive languages


...and you expect me to respond to senseless statements?
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 9:50am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:


mr mapet a lady responded to u...where do u get ur news from is it iyabiliki...LOL..because u live in the south of nigeria i guess and u think theres no religious tension in nigeria and around the world..read the real news bro

Unfortunately I speak in context and seems you don't get it. Do you need me to make statement at basic level all the time? There was no tension until Reno, FFK and CAN stirred it up, especially when they falsified facts. That in itself is dishonest and dishonourable.

Secondly I have low tolerance for uncouth and unintelligent "ladies"
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 9:54am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:



u say

Islamic religious study is not an alternative option to French. This is the lie CAN, Reno and FFK has been feeding people. Arabic Studies is the alternate to French.

whats the difference between islamic religious study and arabic studies...for goodness sakes?please tell us..if u like blow and blow grammar..am not moved...all i know is that we should have had something else...100million people speak swahili in africa...why not swahilii...we dont want arabic as an alternative to anything..stealth jihad always start like that..first its arabic and next it would be compulsory to study it...nigerians dont want to hear arabic and thats the point..no one cares about FFK AND RENO...

When you choose to make simple things difficult, how can I help you or your understanding
1. IRS is a religious study, Arabic Study is a language study.....simple
2. @bolded part? is that an intelligent argument?
3. Why not Swahili? then attend the next National Educational Summit and make a case for it
4. "We" don't want Arabic....? who are the "we"? better still at the next educational summit make a case

Beyond this point, you're wasting my time
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 10:00am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


When you choose to make simple things difficult, how can I help you or your understanding
1. IRS is a religious study, Arabic Study is a language study.....simple
2. @bolded part? is that an intelligent argument?
3. Why not Swahili? then attend the next National Educational Summit and make a case for it
4. "We" don't want Arabic....? who are the "we"? better still at the next educational summit make a case

Beyond this point, you're wasting my time

just like i said ur big grammar wont move me bro....islamic and arabic are the same..can u please understand it for once...the people that brought arabic into this world were MUSLIMS...i guess u didnt know that..am making my case online and am glad people like u that have access to the summit can help us out.LOL...

yes we dont want arabic and [b]WE [/b]are the southerns and some northern christians as well....first it would be arabic and next it would be dont build churches just mosques..look we are wider now...this is 2017
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 10:03am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


Unfortunately I speak in context and seems you don't get it. Do you need me to make statement at basic level all the time? There was no tension until Reno, FFK and CAN stirred it up, especially when they falsified facts. That in itself is dishonest and dishonourable.

Secondly I have low tolerance for uncouth and unintelligent "ladies"

LOL..she doesnt sound unintelligent to me..she was just trying to figure out where u get ur news from because shes shocked to hear someone saying theres no religious tension in nigeria....the point is ...if u like speak on PHD level...

arabic shouldnt be an alternative...PERIOD
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 10:05am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:


just like i said ur big grammar wont move me bro....islamic and arabic are the same..can u please understand it for once...the people that brought arabic into this world were MUSLIMS...i guess u didnt know that..am making my case online and am glad people like u that have access to the summit can help us out.LOL...

yes we dont want arabic and [b]WE [/b]are the southerns and some northern christians as well....first it would be arabic and next it would be dont build churches just mosques..look we are wider now...this is 2017

Keep demonstrating crude ignorance at your own peril.

1. Arabic as a language predated Islam
2. Does it make sense to make your case "online" when there are appropriate and defined quarters to make your "case"?
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by Nobody: 10:06am On Jun 21, 2017
nobsalis:



dis is it....: i guess dis should die down all d baseless argument on dis platform about dis issue. Bravo for d detailed clarification wit backed up evidence. I Think ( Ollah ) and ( ChristianIsraeli ) needs to c dis.


Ma'am thanks for the keep up. I've seen the original information prior to my arguments but some people are hell bound in causing chaos.

N.B it's Ollah1 else i won't see your mention.

Shalom!

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Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by mapet: 10:07am On Jun 21, 2017
cristianisraeli:


LOL..she doesnt sound unintelligent to me..she was just trying to figure out where u get ur news from because shes shocked to hear someone saying theres no religious tension in nigeria....the point is ...if u like speak on PHD level...

arabic shouldnt be an alternative...PERIOD

obviously that needs no telling.....you both have the same level of intelligence
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 10:09am On Jun 21, 2017
ollah1:



Ma'am thanks for the keep up. I've seen the original information prior to my arguments but some people are hell bound in causing chaos.

N.B it's Ollah1 else i won't see your mention.

Shalom!


hahaha..dont let ur muslims brothers catch u saying shalom bro...please oo..we still need u on nairaland
Re: Removal Of CRK: Reno Omokri And FFK React To New School Curriculum by cristianisraeli: 10:12am On Jun 21, 2017
mapet:


Keep demonstrating crude ignorance at your own peril.

1. Arabic as a language predated Islam
2. Does it make sense to make your case "online" when there are appropriate and defined quarters to make your "case"?

the problem u have is thinking u know better than everyone...wetin grammar don bring u...i can make my case online..it can always start from somewhere b4 we march down there..revolution always start from somewhere capish....tell us are u christian or muslim

arabic is islam and islam is arabic,ok.....ur phd grammar cant change history

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