Hibrahym:


You mean Mutants!?
Hear the CRAP coming outta ur mouth, What "looks like gay gene"

OK, now history, and the LESBIAN/GAY TO BE GIVEN BIRTH TO IS .....?

I NEED ANSWERS BTW B.C YEARS.

Mutant ko X-men ni, homosexual is not newly practice in this century, it is not newly mutate as there are gay animals.

As for your question, In the ancient Greeks they practice homosexual legally, and Socrates a great philosopher was said to be gay, bisexual lived around 300 BC, some scientists even discovered some cave men to be homos. Even the bible and Quran talked about gays that lived in Sodom and Gomorrah, I wonder why you're asking this lame question.

Sheikh Abu Rumaysah on Gay marriage & Islam:

“Britain’s first Gay Muslim marriage,” “…You can be gay and be a Muslim”

Well yes, you can be a gay and be a Muslim. The homosexual act (not the homosexual urge - which should still be resisted) is prohibited in Islam - the texts are definitive concerning this and there has been a unanimous consensus of all Muslim scholars throughout Islamic history on this. The homosexual act is a major sin in Islam, but a sin does not take you outside the fold of Islam.

There is nothing in Islam preventing us from dealing with homosexuals just as we would anyone else. I personally have worked with openly homosexual people without any problem. I have worked with transgenders as well, treating them all as I would any other person I work with.

But is it possible to believe that homosexuality is a sin and still treat homosexuals normally? Well, yes. Living in this country, in this community, we do things akin to this all the time… we have colleagues who drink alcohol and get drunk (which is proscribed in islam), we have colleagues who have extramarital relations (which are proscribed in Islam) etc. We deal with them perfectly normally. This does not mean we approve of those acts; it just means that we understand that, in some matters, they have their way and we have ours. As adults, we agree to disagree, and let life continue.

There is, I think, a purely emotional rhetoric and attitude amongst some Muslims (and non-Muslims) against homosexuals that should be tempered and moderated. I have heard a few ‘fatawa’ from some people out there that simply boggle the mind. ‘You should wash your hands after shaking them with a gay,’ for example. Really? I would be extremely interested to hear the evidence for that one, because I just don’t get it.

But what we will not accept, and cannot accept is the imposition of their view on us. Forcing their moral values on ours. You cannot force us to change Islam, it will never happen. Our religion is perfect and comes from our Creator. The homosexual act is prohibited, it will remain so. A gay marriage is not recognised in Islamic law, it will never be recognised. You want to get married to a same-sex partner, its not my business. But you want to come into a Masjid and have me (for example) conduct the marriage ceremony? Sorry, not happening.

May Allah Save This Ummah. This Gay Stuff Been Upgrading Everyday By Day.
Allah's Mercy Is What We Seek.

Sterope:
I found this online. I hope it will help you get sense

Lol, good,

That was why Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people" meaning religion makes people feel good, secure, gullible, sentimental, bias, act sheeple, stoic syndrome, schizophrenia etc This person you quoted was totally right? And Karl Marx gave a nice word for it 'Opium'.

tbaba1234:



But what we will not accept, and cannot accept is the imposition of their view on us. Forcing their moral values on ours. You cannot force us to change Islam, it will never happen. Our religion is perfect and comes from our Creator. The homosexual act is prohibited, it will remain so. A gay marriage is not recognised in Islamic law, it will never be recognised. You want to get married to a same-sex partner, its not my business. But you want to come into a Masjid and have me (for example) conduct the marriage ceremony? Sorry, not happening.

My point. So long as they dont cross my line no problems. And they should not be permitted to conduct leadership role or have any say on islam in any masjid. Render the modafo kas useless. Perhaps, they will receive sense. They stink

ikupakuti:


@ the bolded, thats even by the way!

Its the same albaqir that related how Imam ali (ra) single handedly “overrule“ a decree made by GOD & his prophet (saw) by pardoning a confessed sodomite out of “mercy“ discountenancing Q33:36 by claiming GOD has forgiving him. Is that a new WAHY-l-TASHR‘I or what ?
If it were Sayyidna Umar (ra) that was alleged to have done that, only GOD know the amount of skyscraping posts he would have created to sentence him.

Bros you go fear narration as contained in the shi'a books o, but funny enough, the narration did not excuse homosexuality as a sin, and still punishment by death (by the Prophet (SAW) ) is also established! So what is then the issue here?!

And if it was Umar (ra), ha just forget it, we no go here word again, ordinary tayyamum issue, AlBaqir was all over the place claiming this and that about Umar (ra).

AlBaqir, is the ruling of Ali (ra) a new law that allows the no death sentence for homosexuals?! Mind you, the Imams are known to be followers of Prophet Muhammad's (SAW) shari'ah o....

AlBaqir:


# Quran did not state specific punishment for homosexuality. Unlike Zina, thieving, etc. It is left for the Nabi or his rightful successor (who is a masoom) to implement a law by Allah's guidance.

This is a quote from your post

AlBaqir:
‘O you! Messanger of Allah (sawa) had judged regarding (a case) similar to yours with three judgements....a strike with the sword in your neck, it reaches what it reaches, or throwing you off the mountain with your hands and feet tied up, or burning with the fire...

ALL DEATH!!

#So, this judgement of death passed by the NABI (saw) did it come from outside the QURAN ? Does he have another source of guidance other than the QURAN ?

# His “rightful successor masoom“ can also recieve WAHY-l-TASHR‘I that may overrule an existing decree right ?

# And you are now the next “rightful successor“ that is soliciting therapy for gays instead of the capital punishment ? you must be very merciful !

# However, Quran open the door of hope:

The door of hope which the merciful prophet (saw) failed to exploit right ?

# Even Umar Ibn al-Khattab testified that Ali Ibn Abi Talib was the best judge of the Ummah. Hence, you see Ali correcting several misjudgements of Umar during his Khilafah.

#Best judge as in overruling existing divine laws you meant abi ? Honestly what you intend to achieve with all these is beyond me.

ikupakuti:

This is a quote from your post

AlBaqir:
‘O you! Messanger of Allah (sawa) had judged
regarding (a case) similar to yours with three
judgements....a strike with the sword in your neck, it
reaches what it reaches, or throwing you off the
mountain with your hands and feet tied up, or burning
with the fire...

# Kindly help me post the link I made such claim. I believe that was not my personal statement but quote somewhere else. However, it is easy to claim something, it is another thing to back it up with authentic evidence(s).

# Lastly, there are some things I (personally) used to believe before (e.g stoning to death, beheading etc) that obviously are no more in my beliefs.

ikupakuti:


#Best judge as in overruling existing divine laws you meant abi ?

# Which law did he overruled? You mean the one in tirmidhi et al that ranging from, "throw them out", " kill them" etc

# I have shown you a clear verse from the holy Quran that welcome sincere repentance of guilty ones instead of kill, kill, kill. Allah says, "leave them alone".

Yes, he did. And it is none of your beewax

tintingz:
Lol, good,

That was why Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people" meaning religion makes people feel good, secu, gullible, sentimental, bias, act sheeple, stoic syndrome, schizophrenia etc This person you quoted was totally right? And Karl Marx gave a nice word for it 'Opium'.

AlBaqir:


# Kindly help me post the link I made such claim. I believe that was not my personal statement but quote somewhere else. However, it is easy to claim something, it is another thing to back it up with authentic evidence(s).

Albaqir dont tell me you are that moony this is a post you posted just yesterday, anyways

https://www.nairaland.com/3915669/first-ever-muslim-gay-wedding#58409543

# Lastly, there are some things I (personally) used to believe before (e.g stoning to death, beheading etc) that obviously are no more in my beliefs.

Ofcourse You ought to modify your beliefs & be as liberal as liberty its self or how do you intend to accommodate & benefit from those ultra-weird kinky fatwas from them AYATOLLAHS ?

Plus you wouldnt wanna get beheaded for enjoying yaself, would you ?

I‘m tired of arguements. I‘m out! Please yourself.

AlBaqir:


# Which law did he overruled? You mean the one in tirmidhi et al that ranging from, "throw them out", " kill them" etc

# I have shown you a clear verse from the holy Quran that welcome sincere repentance of guilty ones instead of kill, kill, kill. Allah says, "leave them alone".

It is obvious some of the hadiths were written by sadist like the jews(no offense sunni folks).

Sterope:
Yes, he did. And it is none of your beewax

Keep taking the opium, you will see the most high.

Are you also a mind reader? How could you have known my aim?

tintingz:
Keep taking the opium, you will see the most high.

ikupakuti:


Albaqir dont tell me you are that moony this is a post you posted just yesterday, anyways

https://www.nairaland.com/3915669/first-ever-muslim-gay-wedding#58409543

# Oluwa o, and you portrayed it as if it was my personal statement. O boy, you wicked o. I was like Na where I made such statement. If you had hinted that its from the hadith/story I quoted, would have remember quick.


# Anyway, I am of the opinion that Islamic form of punishment like beheading, stoning to death, cutting of hands are designed to scare people off the crimes than really implementing them, and the conditions attached to them all made it almost very impossible to implement.

ikupakuti:

Ofcourse You ought to modify your beliefs & be as liberal as liberty its self or how do you intend to accommodate & benefit from those ultra-weird kinky fatwas from them AYATOLLAHS ?

# Only the Ayatullahs nikan Lori? That's hypocrisy or you don't know or you know but choose to keep mute. All old scholars whether Shia or Sunni sometimes have these weird fatwas.

# For example, sheik Ibn Taymiyyah ruled that if you miss salat at its prescribed time and choose to pray late, after being told and you continue it, you should be killed by beheading.

That is what I called ultra-weird.

Auvoir

Sterope:
Are you also a mind reader? How could you above known my aim?

So you take opium.

Yeah and I am loving it

tintingz:
So you take opium.

Sterope:
Yeah and I am loving it

No wonder.

tintingz:
I wonder why you're asking this lame question.

Because I want u guys to find their "lame" gay genes.

Hibrahym:


Because I want u guys to find their "lame" gay genes.

your mystical tale book has not given any scientific evidence to conclude there is no gay gene.

AlBaqir:


# Qur'an talks about "male servants that have no sexual desires for women" (sura Nur: 31)

Albaqir wants to smuggle homosexuality into Qur'an here!

Allah(SWT) is talking about something completely different, he(Albaqir) is relating the verse to homosexuality!

Beware of Albaqir! He is an agent of destruction!

AlBaqir:
Empiree, sabr for a minute

# Qur'an talks about "male servants that have no sexual desires for women" (sura Nur: 31)

Dont allow the brother above me any avenue to find you guilty. The ayah you referenced is talking about another thing entirely.


"...........or those male attendants having no physical desire, ........"



Considering the context of the ayah reveals that it is far from pro-gay tendencies. The ayah is talking about, for example, I do not have sexual desires for my female siblings, mother, or any other close relatives who are females. Or old women who are not even relatives. This is what the aya is talking about. Besides, if we consider face value of the ayah (highlighted part) you cited, it could also mean that a male attendant who have no desire for even same sex. Lo ba tan

Demmzy15:
^^^Throughout the thread, he and tintingz tried smuggling homosexuality into the Qur'an. When Mrolai said the obvious, you begin to shield him.

You're one of those who has empowered this guy so much that he has misled a lot of innocent folks on this forum. Even if you didn't agree with Mrolai, must you post the above?

Fact is, every Muslim AlBaqir has misled here is also on your head!

Do you see me quoting any Quranic verse?

Even if I try to smuggle, is it not obvious?

Can you explain the gay beautiful guys up there in paradise that will be serving you Muslims?

Demmzy15:
^^^Throughout the thread, he and tintingz tried smuggling homosexuality into the Qur'an. When Mrolai said the obvious, you begin to shield him.

You're one of those who has empowered this guy so much that he has misled a lot of innocent folks on this forum. Even if you didn't agree with Mrolai, must you post the above?

Fact is, every Muslim AlBaqir has misled here is also on your head!

misled?.Them no get sense?.I dont generalize. I deal with situation accordingly. Where i belive he is right i back him up. where I believe he is wrong i go against him. I really dont get how he "misled" lots of people. Them no get sense?. Can you point out those he misled?. I dont side with no one blindly but many of you do. Example is that thread about shia Quran reciters. You all just look dumb in that thread yet back one another blindly

This is the article albaqir was trying to post before anti-spam bot activated

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2016.1250239

Whoever wants to read can go ahead. I have and gave my opioid on it.

Empiree, you should by now know the likes of MrOlai, Demmzy15 are who they are in their mentality. Sometimes they don't f.ucking care about your point. They simply want to distort to make a cheap point and present you as the bad guy. That's how desperate they could be. If you don't know that of Demmzy15, you should know that of MrOlai. Unfortunately, the person that started the campaign was sino before all of them went into stup.id orgy. Anyway, I don't bother my head about them.


# First, it seem to me that when we say “homosexual”, your first understanding has always been “the sex.ual act” itself. My points has always been centered on those people itself. The act of homosexuality is 100% forbidden in Islam and in fact the severest punishment for it in Shi’a fiqh is burning alive. However, throughout my campaign here, I see these people (of lost or hidden or misunderstood identity) as people that need help ranging from medical, psychological and spiritual help.


THE AYAH: (men who do not have sex.ual desire
# Like I said, the ayah is open to interpretations for there is no direct interpretation of it from Nabi. Let's start from Ibn Kathir:

(Tabi`in among men who do not have desire,) such as hired servants and followers who are not at the same level as the woman and are feeble-minded and have no interest in or desire for women.

Ibn `Abbas said, "This is the kind of person who has no desire.'' `Ikrimah said, "This is the hermaphrodite, who does not experience erections.'' This was also the view of others among the Salaf. It was narrated in the Sahih from `A'ishah that a hermaphrodite, used to enter upon the family of the Messenger of Allah and they used to consider him as one of those who do not have desire, but then the Messenger of Allah came in when he was describing a woman with four rolls of fat in front and eight behind. The Messenger of Allah said,

(Lo! I think this person knows what is they are; he should never enter upon you.) He expelled him, and he stayed in Al-Bayda' and only came on Fridays to get food.
www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2430&Itemid=79


# Now, I have initially exposed through a hadith in sahih Bukhari that the Muslim community then have effeminates among them, in their houses. So, let's take a look at the meaning of the Effeminates:

The mukhannath, according to later Muslim lexicographers, mostly identify “as a man who resembles or imitates a woman in the languidness of his limbs or the softness of his voice” (Rowson, , p. 673). Mukhannaths, therefore, are people who are born with male sex organs. This was also the understanding of the term held by the early Muslim lexicographers who believed that the term mukhannath was derived from khanatha, which means "to fold back the mouth of a waterskin for drinking.” Therefore, “mukhannathun were so called on account of their languidness … while a languid woman was called khunuth .” (Rowson, , pp. 672–673). Though this meaning of mukhannath somehow concurs with prophetic traditions (hadiths ), it is not the same as hadith's description of the term. Therefore, some other Muslim lexicographers, such as al-Khalil b. Ahmad (d.c.170/786) in Kitab al-Ayn, believe mukhannath derives from khuntha , or hermaphrodite/intersex, on the basis of parallel gender ambiguity (Al-Khalil, , No. 4, p. 248; Rowson, , p. 673). According to the latter, a mukhannath is a hermaphrodite/intersex person and, therefore, would be categorized in that group. But, according to the former meaning of the term, mukhannath is a male with effeminate behavior. Therefore, it “does not explicitly describe sexual organs, sexual behaviours, or sexual orientation” (Kugle, , p. 241). Later on, in medieval times, mukhanath also came to be used for those persons who took on a passive role in same-sex acts (Rowson, 1991, p. 693).


# So, in one word, EFFEMINATES are men in their physical identity as “man” but mentally, psychologically, feeling-wise and touching-wise etc they are “women”. This is not habit they develop over the course of time rather they were born as such. These people do not have sex.ual desires for women (because they are one of them, batini (inner) wise). They are only attracted to men, as male-female natural attraction/affections. This, society generalized it “homosexuals” together with those that developed it as an habit, or involved in it due to the so-called free society, or involve in it for ritual purposes etc. I think that generalization is cruel. The one I have explained via effeminates deserve to be look into for it is a medical problem per se.


# Sheik al-Tantawi (al-shafi'i) former Mufti of al-Azhar, Egypt and Imam Ruhullah Khomeini, both passed fatawa on the sex-transgender surgery on people with such case (effeminates). The point however is that you can never appreciate their fatwas except you read what actually lead to the fatawa. Then, how did both derive their judgement and approval going by the fact that there is no direct rulings in the Quran and hadith?



I implore you guys, sino, Demmzy15, MrOlai, ikupakuti and whoever wish to read this comprehensive report (below). It is written by M. Alipour in the International Journal of Transgenderism, 2017.
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2016.1250239

AlBaqir:



The mukhannath, according to later Muslim lexicographers, mostly identify “as a man who resembles or imitates a woman in the languidness of his limbs or the softness of his voice” (Rowson, , p. 673). Mukhannaths, therefore, are people who are born with male sex organs. This was also the understanding of the term held by the early Muslim lexicographers who believed that the term mukhannath was derived from khanatha, which means "to fold back the mouth of a waterskin for drinking.” Therefore, “mukhannathun were so called on account of their languidness … while a languid woman was called khunuth .” (Rowson, , pp. 672–673). Though this meaning of mukhannath somehow concurs with prophetic traditions (hadiths ), it is not the same as hadith's description of the term. Therefore, some other Muslim lexicographers, such as al-Khalil b. Ahmad (d.c.170/786) in Kitab al-Ayn, believe mukhannath derives from khuntha , or hermaphrodite/intersex, on the basis of parallel gender ambiguity (Al-Khalil, , No. 4, p. 248; Rowson, , p. 673). According to the latter, a mukhannath is a hermaphrodite/intersex person and, therefore, would be categorized in that group. But, according to the former meaning of the term, mukhannath is a male with effeminate behavior. Therefore, it “does not explicitly describe sexual organs, sexual behaviours, or sexual orientation” (Kugle, , p. 241). Later on, in medieval times, mukhanath also came to be used for those persons who took on a passive role in same-sex acts (Rowson, 1991, p. 693).

this describes me growing up. I had baby face, soft spoken, soft skin, shy like women, women level of thinking and pop once called me "dense". Yet i am 100% a man. People this category simply need exposure to break it off. Now I am a freaking dude bold voice, masculine statue but unfortunately, skin remains soft and thats pissing me off

Those responding to tintiz should stop. He is a fool and shouldn't be given attention.

@albaqir

I dont know whether you are deliberately mixing this up or is it that you dont get it.

#The QURAN/GOD isnt againt those men who lack the quiddity of manliness or men whose nature are epicene coz thats the work of nature as willed by GOD.

#What GOD/QURAN is against is SODOMY.

#That a man doesnt have desire for women like you submitted or doesnt get erections doesnt automatically translates to an itching anus.

#If you claim you got no desire for women as a man ok, do you have a v-jay ? Coz sexual intercourse is only permitted among opposite sexes.

#What those who practice this despicable act are oblivious is that, the devils who animate & psych them into this base act do not indulge in it themselves due to how destructive & fast it is in incuring the wrath of GOD. We hear cases of humans having encounters with ASEQ(lover jinns) of opposite sex in dream, I‘m yet to hear a man/woman dream of being penetrated from the rear.

Empiree:
this describes me growing up. I had baby face, soft spoken, soft skin, shy like women, women level of thinking and pop once called me "dense". Yet i am 100% a man. People this category simply need exposure to break it off. Now I am a freaking dude bold voice, masculine statue but unfortunately, skin remains soft and thats pissing me off