blueAgent:



I never claimed to be the interpreter of the Scripture.
We are expected to search and know the truth about God's word.
My argument and interpretation of the Bible is consistent with what every other part of the Bible says.

The Bible instructs us to
2 Timothy 2:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If the Sinners are to burn in Hellfire forever why did the bible talk about the second death and sinners becoming ashes. to reconcile this you need to every bible verse on that particular topic and not just some selected bible verses that support your preconcieved idea.

blueAgent:



You can google it.

blueAgent:



Your logic is really laughable.

The bible says the wages of Sin is DEATH not eternal fire simple.

blueAgent:




Laughable. biggest heresy of the century.

You see how you twist scriptures. you said angels are immortal yet you say God can destory them.
Why are you scared of facing the truth?

If God can destory a the angels as you said then while doubt the fact that the same God has said he will consume sinners (including the Fallen angels and the Devil( and turn them to ashes.

While cann't you accept this fact. i know becos it exposes your Church's fake doctrine.

Let me ask you while select bible verses and leave the ones that expose your church doctrine?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:


We are not allowed to cherry pick bible verses.
all the Bible verses that talks about the fate of sinners the fallen angels and the Devil must be considered that i have done but you keep twisting and recycling the same bible verses even after there true meaning have been proved.

easymancfc:


ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS LOOK FOR THE EASY WAT OUT... CHERRY PICKING OLD TESTAMENT VERSES THAT TALK ABOUT DESTRUCTION ETC OUT OF CONTEXT...

MY CHURCHES FAKE DOCTRINE? THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF ONLY MY CHURCH HAS THAT DOCTRINE... BUT 90 % OF CHRISTIANITY CORRECTLY HOLDS THAT DOCTRINE... AND CHRISTIANITY AS A WHOLE HAS HAD THAT DOCTRINE FOR 1900 YRS UNTIL YOUR 19TH CENTURY HERESY CAME IN...

A PLACE ACCORDING TO JESUS WAS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS AND ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM... TO BE FOR ETERNITY

mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:

WHICH THE JESUS ALSO AFFIRMS WITH HIS REVELATION TO JOHN THAT INDEED THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS AND ALL THEY HAVE DECEIVED WILL SUFFER TOGETHER INDEED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE...

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED NIGHT AND DAY FOREVERAND EVER...

rev 14: 11 and the smoke of their TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOREVER AND EVER : and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

DONT CHERRY PICK VERSES THAT SUPPORT YOUR OWN PRECONCEIVED NOTION... UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW WHERE THE LAKE OF FIRE IS QUENCHED THEN I CAN BELIEVE YOU...

easymancfc:


Cherry picking and out of context

If that were true... then the wicked should just be annihilated after judgement...

death here is the second death... and what is the second death

THE LAKE OF FIRE...
Rev 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

TAKE NOTE IT SAYS HAVE THEIR PART.. NOT ANNIHILATED OR DESTROYED OR DIE OR BE KILLED..

What is eternal life its not just to live forever.. it is ETERNITY WITH GOD...

easymancfc:


Cherry picking and out of context

If that were true... then the wicked should just be annihilated after judgement...

death here is the second death... and what is the second death

THE LAKE OF FIRE...
Rev 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

TAKE NOTE IT SAYS HAVE THEIR PART.. NOT ANNIHILATED OR DESTROYED OR DIE OR BE KILLED..

What is eternal life its not just to live forever.. it is ETERNITY WITH GOD...

blueAgent:



You looking for an easy way out by accussing me of what you are doing. why not explain to me how the Sinners will be ashes and still be burning.

blueAgent:



You looking for an easy way out by accusing me of what you are doing. why not explain to me how the Sinners will be ashes and still be burning.

Your argument just exposed you. slowly re-read you comment above.

blueAgent:




You are the one cherry picking. i asked you to explain the meaning of Eziekel 28:1-end without quoting another bible verse.

I know you cannot it will expose your flaw.

blueAgent:



You looking for an easy way out by accussing me of what you are doing. why not explain to me how the Sinners will be ashes and still be burning.

Your argument just exposed you. slowly re-read you comment above.

easymancfc:


There is a fundamental flaw in your pressupposition that puts your argument in error.. Your interpret the old testament incomplete revelation to interpret clear complete new testament revelation.. Instead of using complete new testament revelation to interpret the old testament incomplete revelation... So you cannot use Ezekiel to tell what Revelation is saying instead you Revelation to tell what Ezekiel is saying...
The fullness of Revelation is in Jesus Christ that's why the bible says in
Heb 1: 1 In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 
AND JESUS SAYS
to his disciplines about Judgement
mat 25:41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;

to John in Revelation..

rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

SO YES I BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAYS BECAUSE IT IS CLEAR AND I DONT NEED INCOMPLETE REVELATION OF EZEKIEL OR PSALM TO UNDERSTAND CLEAR COMPLETE REVELATION FROM THE SON OF GOD HIMSELF..

EVEN THE DEVILS KNOW THEIR OWN FATE..
Mat 8:29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”

THEY KNOW THEIR FATE IS ETERNAL TORMENT NOT ANNIHILATION

blueAgent:





HaHaHaHaHaHa .......I cann't laugh enough.
Really!!!!!!!

Am done with your ingnorance go ahead and worship mary and all the dead saints aswell as continue in all your fake doctrine
My joy is that you would answer for it.

Bye

blueAgent:



You contracdict yourself here their is no justice in burning someone for eternity for sin he committed in a lifetime of let say 200yrs.

blueAgent:






Then why does the Bible say that the wicked
will be destroyed with unquenchable fire?
Unquenchable fire is fire that cannot be put out,
but which goes out when it has turned everything
to ashes. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to
be destroyed with unquenchable fire, and in 2
Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire
burned the city "to fulfill the word of the Lord by
the mouth of Jeremiah" and left it desolate. Yet we
know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not
burning today.
3. Doesn't Matthew 25:46 say the wicked will
receive "everlasting punishment"?
Notice the word is punishment, not punishing.
Punishing would be continuous, while
punishment is one act. The punishment of the
wicked is death, and this death is everlasting.
4. Can you explain Matthew 10:28: "Fear not
them which kill the body, but are not able to
kill the soul"?
The word "soul" has three meanings in the Bible:
(1) a living being—Genesis 2:7, (2) the mind—
Psalms 139:14, and (3) life—1 Samuel 18:1,
which here refers to eternal life that God
guarantees all who reach His kingdom. No one
can take this away. The last part of Matthew 10:28
says both soul and body will be destroyed in
hell.

easymancfc:


It is your adventist heresy that doesnt square with all of scripture...

if you're afraid of hell or are looking for comfort then fine....
You interpret eternal reward as lasting forever but the punishment will only be for a while quoting unrelated or out of context old testament verses...

your argument and interpretation is not consistent with what all the bible says... it is consistent only with Ellen White Heresy and fear of hell...

The bible is clear...

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED NIGHT AND DAY FOREVER AND EVER...

rev 14: 11 and the smoke of their TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOREVER AND EVER : and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 

mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Go and take old testament incomplete revelation and use it to disprove what Jesus says and reveals to your own peril..

Tampinu:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYR7OWh1J9A&list=PL5ABAC74848629107&index=14 Intro: Selassie? How you mean "Selassie"? Look, you mean EMPEROR HAILE SELASSIE I (The first!),...Don't act as if you're talking about your gardener! Seen? I don't hear you calling King James "Oh James" or Queen Elizabeth "Lizzy". So Yeahman, Respeck it! Show the fullness! You're talking about the MOST HIGH! So when you speak of that we speak of the Power wey draw on the POWER of the WORD! You know wha' am saying? If you nah feel it, don't say it....Just like that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYR7

Horlufemi:

My guy, my guy.
You have the clear understanding.
God bless you

BlueAngel444:
https://www.nairaland.com/3992671/tithing-truth-history-origin-catholic

https://www.nairaland.com/3992834/malachis-prophecy

CcblueAgent; Horlufemi;Tampinu; easymancfc

Verify what the Catholic Church and present day church is about.


A lot of gross misinterpretation of Scripture has lead many to hell

Tampinu:


Concerning the Roman Catholic church, read the Book of Romans 1:21

easymancfc:


I ask you to google that you would find it there... let me help you out...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nestorians

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Arianism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
https://www.britannica.com/event/Council-of-Nicaea-Christianity-325

https://www.britannica.com/event/councils-of-Ephesus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Ephesus

Since you want links and proofs... these are proofs from renowned unbiased historically accurate sites

Concerning Haile Selassie and Ethiopia..

The fact that Ethiopia was mentioned in the bible doesnt make it the cradle of Christianity... The cradle of Christianity is Israel... Jerusalem to be precise...

The Church begun on the day and Pentecost... way before the Ethiopian Eunuch met with Philip in acts 8... The Antioch, Jerusalem, Ephesus and Rome amongst others are the places given credence by the scripture and history...

After the Ethiopian Eunuch, nothing was heard about Ethiopia in the New Testament...

Yes you're Right, Ethiopia also has good christian antiquity but then again so does Antioch, Ephesus, Rome, Galatia, Thessalonica etc...

AS FOR THE EMPEROR HAILE SELASSIE, MOST PEOPLE AND HISTORY REMEMBER HIM NOT FOR HIS IMPACT ON CHRISTIANITY BUT FOR THE RASTAFARIAN MOVEMENT, WHICH MANY PEOPLE TERM AS A "CULT"

And finally, the only Lion of Judah, Prince of Peace, King of Kings, Elect of God, Earth's Rightful Ruler, Defender of The Faith we know is JESUS CHRIST..

blueAgent:




If i can see it written in the Bible i will accept it.

Tampinu:


Yes you're Right, Ethiopia also has good christian antiquity but then again so does Antioch, Ephesus, Rome, Galatia, Thessalonica etc.. .

So which part of the Old Testament was the above regions (in bold) mentioned? Ahhh Which means they did not come into consideration until in the new Testament. Read between the lines my friend!

Roman ass licker!

easymancfc:

What does it matter if Ethiopia was mentioned in the old testament and Rome or Antioch or Ephesus was not... That doesn't prove anything... The fact still remains that according to the Bible...

CHRISTIANITY BEGUN IN ISREAL BY JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH STARTED IN JERUSALEM ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST, THEN SPREAD TO ANTIOCH, EPHESUS, ROME, THESSALONICA WITH THE PREACHING OF THE APOSTLES.. THE CHURCHES IN THESE PLACES ARE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE (Jerusalem, Antioch, Thessaloniki, Corinth, Colossae, Rome etc) BUT ETHIOPIA IS NOT... IF IT WAS SO IMPORTANT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN BIBLICAL TIMES.. BUY APART FROM THE EUNUCH'S EXPERIENCE WITH PHILIP, NOTHING ELSE IS HEARD OF ETHIOPIA IN THE NEW TESTAMENT...

When Christianity was made the religion of the Axum Ethiopian empire in 330 the Emperor Ezana sent to Athanasius in Alexandria to appoint a bishop for them... If Ethiopia is the cradle of Christianity then why do that??
no need for foul language or insults...

easymancfc:

What does it matter if Ethiopia was mentioned in the old testament and Rome or Antioch or Ephesus was not... That doesn't prove anything... The fact still remains that according to the Bible...

CHRISTIANITY BEGUN IN ISREAL BY JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH STARTED IN JERUSALEM ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST, THEN SPREAD TO ANTIOCH, EPHESUS, ROME, THESSALONICA WITH THE PREACHING OF THE APOSTLES.. THE CHURCHES IN THESE PLACES ARE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE (Jerusalem, Antioch, Thessaloniki, Corinth, Colossae, Rome etc) BUT ETHIOPIA IS NOT... IF IT WAS SO IMPORTANT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN BIBLICAL TIMES.. BUY APART FROM THE EUNUCH'S EXPERIENCE WITH PHILIP, NOTHING ELSE IS HEARD OF ETHIOPIA IN THE NEW TESTAMENT...

When Christianity was made the religion of the Axum Ethiopian empire in 330 the Emperor Ezana sent to Athanasius in Alexandria to appoint a bishop for them... If Ethiopia is the cradle of Christianity then why do that??
no need for foul language or insults...

Tampinu:


Sothere was no Christianity until the day of the pentecoste, eh? Bearing in mind that even Jesus stated that He did not come to change the laws but to fulfil them. so the prophesies of David and Isaiah regading Christ e.g, Psalm 22 and Isaiah 41 were written for whom and in reference to whom? So Isaiah and King David are not Christians, innit? Well then, is even Jesus Christ a Christian? There you go, you are just getting tied up with your own long silky rope (Kiss myteeth!)

Read the Bible again from genesis with an open mind and clear conscience then we can resume this discussion. Cha!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_hl50bzxvQ

Tampinu:


If you are tracing the roots of christianity does it not make sense to consider which civilisations and Kingdoms were first exposed to Christianity/Faith/Spirituality? So basically, you are telling us that Ethiopia was mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 2:13 and then there was a void until the Romans and the others came into consideration in the New Testament? So wwhat did you have to say about the book of Romans to which I made repeated references ? Answer the question's question! Or you are trying to be clever without be being smart?

This isnot about foul language or insults, it's called calling a spade a spade.
Rasta don't suffer fools! Learn that!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng6_SoWxBhQ

easymancfc:


As a matter of fact there was no Christianity before Jesus, Christianity started with Jesus Christ's Incarnation.. What is a Christianity??
It is An Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and various scholars who wrote the Christian Bible.

So before Jesus there was no Christianity.. What they had was Judaism... the prophecies were written for the Jews in expectance of the messiah.. but the messianic religion (Christianity) is different from Judaism..
King David and Isaiah were not Christians, they believed in God, but they were not Christians, A Christian is a follower of Christ. before Christ there was no Christianity...
You are the one who needs to read the Bible again.. My dear...

easymancfc:


As a matter of fact there was no Christianity before Jesus, Christianity started with Jesus Christ's Incarnation.. What is a Christianity??
It is An Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and various scholars who wrote the Christian Bible.

So before Jesus there was no Christianity.. What they had was Judaism... the prophecies were written for the Jews in expectance of the messiah.. but the messianic religion (Christianity) is different from Judaism..
King David and Isaiah were not Christians, they believed in God, but they were not Christians, A Christian is a follower of Christ. before Christ there was no Christianity...
You are the one who needs to read the Bible again.. My dear...

easymancfc:


As a matter of fact there was no Christianity before Jesus, Christianity started with Jesus Christ's Incarnation.. What is a Christianity??
It is An Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and various scholars who wrote the Christian Bible.

So before Jesus there was no Christianity.. What they had was Judaism... the prophecies were written for the Jews in expectance of the messiah.. but the messianic religion (Christianity) is different from Judaism..
King David and Isaiah were not Christians, they believed in God, but they were not Christians, A Christian is a follower of Christ. before Christ there was no Christianity...
You are the one who needs to read the Bible again.. My dear...

Tampinu:



“The temple of the most high begins with the body which houses our life, the essence of our existence. Africans are in bondage today because they approach spirituality through religion provided by foreign invaders and conquerors. We must stop confusing religion and spirituality. Religion is a set of rules, regulations and rituals created by humans, which was suppose to help people grow spiritually. Due to human imperfection religion has become corrupt, political, divisive and a tool for power struggle. Spirituality is not theology or ideology. It is simply a way of life, pure and original as was given by the Most High of Creation. Spirituality is a network linking us to the Most High, the universe, and each other…”

― Haile Selassie I