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Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 2:44pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: If there is no reason to believe that the religious gods do not exist then what were your reasons to disbelieve? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 2:45pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx:Why should I believe a God or gods exists when no one have shown any to actually exist or make sense when presenting reasons for their belief in God(s) existence? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 2:46pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Because the religious beliefs doesn't make sense. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 2:47pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx:Personally, I hate labels. They caricaturise their victims! But if I must be labelled based on beliefs, then I am an agnostic (I don't know if god exists) atheist (I don't believe in god's existence). Asking me why I think there is no need to believe in god is the same as asking me why I think there is no need to believe that invisible ninjas live in my eyes. Simple: I see no need to! The question really should be why you think I should believe in god. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 2:47pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: Such as? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by chemystery: 2:47pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx:Where did i claim to be a moral atheist? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 2:48pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Do you know the meaning of contradiction? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 2:50pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Believing in the existence of Yahweh, Vishnu, Odin, Allah.... And many more I can't remember right now... |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by vaxx: 2:53pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah:you are right... But for the purpose of this op...which simply state that atheism by definition is a problem... Which no one has been able to refute the claim.....you said you see no need...and I wannner know why....the invisible ninja may be a sort of help if there is evidence.... Not to derail the topic... Why do you see no need |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 2:53pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: I meant what are the beliefs you find that do not make sense. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by vaxx: 2:55pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
chemystery:you are subjetive in your perspective.... |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 2:56pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Okay mr. labeller in chief! When you're done shredding me with your blazing psychoanalytic skills and putting me in your little labelled boxes, don't forget to tape, validate and ship the boxes to oblivion. Before shipping, handle my shredded pieces with care and did I mention? Carry out multiple validations for good measure! 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 2:58pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: Why do you see no reason to believe? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 2:59pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:All of the dogmatic positions and suppositions commonly held by various religious groups. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by chemystery: 2:59pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx:Hmmmm...A perspective that you only know about. Can I see it please? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 3:00pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: You need to be more specific than that. You are already an atheist which means you have this information readily available so indulge me. What specific beliefs do not make sense? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by vaxx: 3:04pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
chemystery:this is you own writing...here is no dogmatism in atheism. Everyone with their own perspective about life. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 3:05pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx: There is just as much evidence for invisible ninja as there is for any imperceptible version of god. Can you tell me why you don't see a need to believe there're invisible ninjas in your eyes? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 3:06pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster? If not why not? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 3:10pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: This is the thing. Simply answer the question. My reasons are not yours. So your specific reasons if all I seek. Why do you see no need to believe? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by vaxx: 3:12pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho:you fall under moral athiest....which contradict scientists atheists who claim for any evidence to be claim...it must be testable, measurable. ..and most of the religious belive do are not testable or measurable.... Like heaven and hell, like God and Satan.....they can't be scientifically proven.. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:13pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:I don't think we can exhaust all of the beliefs held by religious people... One commonly held is the idea of salvation, eternal life, loving creator, achieving a state of enlightenment or awareness, reincarnation, blood sacrifices, praying or prayers, special knowledge to a exercise that will make your life or living superior..... I can go on and on... Belief in supernatural beings who interferes or do not interfere with our physical existence is absurd. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 3:18pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: What's your view about existence? How life came about. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 3:20pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: The clue is in the meaning of the word 'need'! Need is a very specific thing. When someone has no need for something, there is no obligation to justify their lack of need. Me: I see no need to eat butterflies. You: Oya, why do you see no need to eat butterflies? This is a pointless exchange! I'm sure your line of questioning makes sense to you, but it doesn't to me. If you think I am mistaking to see no need, then convince me, I am all ears (or eyes)! But asking why I see no need is quite simply a stupid question. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by vaxx: 3:22pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah:that is not good enough in argument.... I throw you a question ....answer mine, then throw yours...but I will answer yours..... Well I see need to belive there is invisible ninja... It may be a sort of help or disaster if I reject the belive ... What about yours...why do you see no need to belive in God... |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:23pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx:I also hold this view... It is the most reliable form of proof as we have come to find all through human history. Besides the moralists argument can also be directed towards providing evidences for past sin and punishments as proofs for a "God of justice". I'll say I am both scientific and moral atheist. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:25pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:I don't know.... No one else knows... And religious answers have stumbled upon are just forced opinion for lack of better explanations. |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 3:26pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx: A need is something that is useful in one way or another. Believing in god hasn't proven useful to me, and disbelieving hasn't proven disastrous either. So I see no need! 1 Like |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by vaxx: 3:26pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho:so have you seen atheism by definition is a problem? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by butterflyl1on: 3:29pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: I cannot tell you why you should see a need when I do not even know why you see no need. You see no need means you have reasons why you see no need so what are they? |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by AgentOfAllah: 3:31pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: AgentOfAllah: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism By Definition Is Problematic by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:31pm On Oct 03, 2017 |
vaxx:I do not see the problem in the definition. I argue against the moralist proof for God's existence. And also the teleological arguments for God's existence. My position as an atheist doesn't shift, it is the religious proofs that shifts. |
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