Sarassin, I don't mean to derail your thread but I would love to hear your views on morality and Karma. More specifically I would like to know how practitioners of the left hand path deflect Karma? How does one combine the ideas of morality with free will? Are they paradoxical concepts? In the Vedas, Krishna tells Arjuna that it is OK to destroy people that support adharma. what's your take on this?

AmunaNo1:
Sarassin, I don't mean to derail your thread but I would love to hear your views on morality and Karma. More specifically I would like to know how practitioners of the left hand path deflect Karma? How does one combine the ideas of morality with free will? Are they paradoxical concepts? In the Vedas, Krishna tells Arjuna that it is OK to destroy people that support adharma. what's your take on this?

Hello AmunaNo1, I would underline my understanding of morality and then proceed from there. There are three lives that we can choose from to live on earth, they are; the Spiritual life, the Religious life and the Ordinary human life of which morality is a part.
The ordinary life is that of the average human consciousness separated from its own true self and the Divine and led by the common habits of the mind.

The religious life is a movement of the same ignorant human consciousness, turning or trying to turn towards the Divine, but without knowledge and led by dogma and rules of some religious creed which claims to have found the way into a heavenly arena. The religious life may even be the first approach to the spiritual, but mostly it is a roundabout of ideas and forms without any substance.

The spiritual life, however, proceeds directly by a change of consciousness, a change from the ordinary consciousness to a greater consciousness in which one finds one’s true being and comes first into direct and living contact and then into union with the Divine. For the spiritual seeker this change of consciousness is the one thing he seeks and nothing else matters.

Morality is a part of the ordinary life, it is an attempt to govern visible conduct by certain rules or to form the character by these rules in the image of certain societal ideals. But the spiritual life goes beyond the mind, it enters into the deeper consciousness of the Spirit and acts out of the truth of the Spirit. Therefore I consider that morality is a construct of our ordinary life whereas karma is of Divine essence. To put it in plain language, Karma being Divine essence kicks in when we transgress Divine karmic laws.

As a mystic we are taught that one can dispense with the laws of morality because one submits to a higher law more rigorous than any moral law.

To answer your question with respect to deflection of karma by a left-hand path practitioner, It is clear that such a practitioner has come to the realisation that he is the sole ruler of his universe. He seeks no forgiveness or absolution for his deeds, he will not perform any karmic deflection rites, why? Because such practitioners having gained familiarity with the powers of darkness they understand full well that they are not to assimilate the experience of having wrought their havoc, they do not allow themselves to experience the emotions that arise from their deeds and that by not doing so they remove themselves out of the karmic stream. The attitude rightly or wrongly is that what is done is done and the devil be damned.

On the second part of your question with respect to Morality and Free Will. I believe that we exercise free will in our actions and that our morality is subjective and reflective of this free will We make choices, we determine the direction we want to go. We have this sense of freedom in our minds based on what I consider an illusion of free choice.

I say it is an illusion, to be sure, free will does exist but it is divine will, we exercise free will because we are all part of the Divine ecosystem that expresses itself universally through Divine will. The big "but" however is that in order to truly exercise free will, we must surrender our conscious will and allow it to be made one with Divine will and that by so doing we shall have no further need of a subjective morality which really is a form of ignorance. In my opinion therefore, free will and morality as applied are illusory, relative and bound to the mistakes of its own inadequate motives.

Thanks Sarassin, you just confirmed a suspicion of mine regarding the left hand path .The implications of this are staggering to say the least.

Sarassin:
Raphael may signify his consent by a bird entering your home or nesting near your house or garden.
The gift of a bird, a gift or the sudden blooming of yellow flowers, the sudden appearance of a weed
(especially in a wall, roof, or between building blocks),
a dream of monkeys or hearing a story about them,
a plague of flies or any gift ornamented with a design incorporating birds, monkeys, or flies, are signs of Raphael's consent.

To receive visitors unexpectedly; to experience an increase in your incoming mail, to make a surprise journey, or to see quick, darting lights;
the gift of a mirror or the accidental breaking of one— any of these omens, appearing within the seven days, are a sign of the Archangel Raphael's acquiescence to your petition.

The symbols of Raphael to be hand drawn in the grid as shown in the fig attached are the sign of Gemini the Twins;
the sign of Virgo, the symbol of the planet Mercury and Raphael's personal sign, a bird's head

I had to go catch up on this thread
and I couldnt believe what my eyes were reading
Throwing hands up in the air what's all these bolded above about? Old wives' tales?

I remember, 20 years ago, no one found it funny, when at around 9:00pm - 11:00 pm, a small bird flew into my flat on the 20th floor
Hygyiene apart, arent swarming flies or a plague of flies indication and/or symptoms of paranormal activity?

When we dont get the house's guttering regularly cleaned, of course weeds appears on roof cos of seeds dropped by perched or over-flying birds
Households that dont settle or fully pay their bills on time get an increase in incoming mail
Spammers too for the purposes of advertising, phishing, or spreading malware cause increase in incoming mail

Sarassin:
Your bolded comments are patently untrue

OK, let me rephrase it this way (i.e. Naijas can relate to this parlance)
You dont pray to and/or petition angels messengers,
except they are the other kinds of angels messengers (i.e. fallen angels corrupt messengers)

Sarassin:
The limitations of your religion are all too evident here

Dont try to trick, you know who I am. It doesnt work
The religion, I practise and believe in, has no limitations
James 1:27 is instructive

Sarassin:
whereas Angels transcend any and all religions and are messengers of the Divine
you seem to seek to shrink fit what Angels can or cannot do to fit within the remit of your religion,
understandably but incredibly narrow-minded in my view

Angels aka "malach"; aka "malaika" in Western Naija parlance, are celestial beings
and I am glad you admit angels are messengers of the Divine, as that's what the word actually means
but you seem to think it's OK to SUMMON angels, to directly, present one's suit to or make a formal application to them

The decision making on the requests, prayers, applications etcetera
and the responsibility for granting those decisions aren't within the angels' area of activity
so why the need side-stepping Elohim and to invoke or petition angels?

Sarassin:
Just to be clear, NONE of the Archangels or Angels whose invocatory process I have described in this thread are fallen angels,
their names and attributes are clearly expressed,
they are not Goetia demons or whatever else you are trying to superimpose on what I posted.

I am sorry.
I've just read where you strongly said the angels whose invocatory process you've described are not "fallen angels"
I didnt or wasnt deliberately trying to superimpose Goetia demons or whatever else on them

Sarassin:
Nobody said angels take commands from people, the word I used was petition… one seeks their grace and favour.

Why petitioning angels then?
Under what circumstances is seeking angels' grace and favour permitted and good for?

Again, I reiterate, doesnt the buck stop with Elohim?
So why the need side-stepping Elohim and to invoke or petition angels?
Especially when the responsibility for granting those decisions aren't within the angels' area of activity

Sarassin:
People have angelic encounters in different ways, it is Divine Grace.
Encounters are different from petitioning, I encounter angels in different ways

No one to my knowledge had suggested that encounters are same as petitioning

Encounters means meeting, come up against, run into, come into or make contact with angel(s)
Petitioning means present one's suit to, praying to, asking, begging, call on, make a formal application to, appealing to, pleading to angel(s)

Sarassin:
however when I petition an Angel it is for specificity, there is a clear difference

Hmm, specificity indeed.
OK, hmm, answer these questions then
1) Is there a limit to the specificity the angel can be petitioned for?
2) Instead of directly petitioning Elohim,
when do you deem it OK and why necessary to go past or round Elohim, to petition the angel(s)?

Sarassin:
Invoking an Angel or Archangel through a petition is just one method and there are others.

What are the other methods of invoking them, apart from petition please?

Sarassin:
Even though you dismissively refer to petitioning as “shenanigans” the practice of invoking angels predates Christianity,
it is a teaching of High Qabalah, teachings without which Christianity cannot even begin to infer the existence of the Angels let alone how to contact them

The petitioning, the practice of invoking angels
and the teaching of High Qabalah, like that of Kabbalah's (i.e. Kabbalistic teachings)
dismissively are shenanigans because they are amusing, humorous, and interestingly over-imaginative guessworks

Sarassin:
It is perfectly acceptable for you to state that invoking Archangels is not Christian practice,
I am less concerned about that, obviously I am not teaching Christian practice

Obviously, you find it perfectly acceptable promoting how to circumvent protocols and established way of doing something like petitioning
By established way, I mean, directly petitioning Elohim, INSTEAD of petitioning the subordinates
(@^^^ edited as I meant to type INSTEAD)

I careless about Christian practice, I am less concerned about that, and obviously I am not holding brief for Christian practice

Sarassin:
you made an error in suggesting that I was promulgating the invocation of “Fallen Angels”
and that is simply untrue

I am sorry.
It is true I made an error, as I didnt go over the post(s) with a fine-tooth comb
Having properly, read the concerned posts, I can see it was a lazy assumption I made, that you're promoting the invocation of “Fallen Angels”

I still maintain, though that, one doesn't summon, pray to and/or petition angels, except they are the other kinds of angels (i.e. fallen angels)

MuttleyLaff:
I had to go catch up on this thread
and I couldnt believe what my eyes were reading
Throwing hands up in the air what's all these bolded above about? Old wives' tales?
I remember, 20 years ago, no one found it funny, when at around 9:00pm - 11:00 pm, a small bird flew into my flat on the 20th floor
Hygyiene apart, arent swarming flies or a plague of flies indication and/or symptoms of paranormal activity?
When we dont get the house's guttering regularly cleaned, of course weeds appears on roof cos seeds dropped by perched or over-flying birds
Households that dont settle or fully pay their bills on time get an increase in incoming mail
Spammers too for the purposes of advertising, phishing, or spreading malware cause increase in incoming mail

If you had petitioned an angel and your petition gained the consent of the angel any one of those signs occurring spontaneously within seven days of your written petition would be a sign of consent. At any other time it is just what it is.

MuttleyLaff:


OK, let me rephrase it this way (i.e. Naijas can relate to this parlance)
You dont pray to and/or petition angels messengers,
except they are the other kinds of angels messengers (i.e. fallen angels corrupt messengers)

Dont try to trick, you know who I am. It doesnt work The religion, I practise and believe in, has no limitationsJames 1:27 is instructive

There are no tricks here, I maintain that your view of the Angelic choir is informed by your biblical background only and this is why you insist that angel’s granting petitions must be corrupt messengers.

MuttleyLaff:

Angels aka "malach"; aka "malaika" in Western Naija parlance, are celestial beings
and I am glad you admit angels are messengers of the Divine, as that's what the word actually means
but you seem to think it's OK to SUMMON angels, to directly, present one's suit to or make a formal application to them

It is not what I think, it is what I know. Yes, you can summon an angel if you know what you are doing. It is a different matter entirely if the angel in question responds to you. Angels are aspects of the Divine, granting petitions in your favour if it is in your best interest is well within the remit of the Throne angels or even the Angelic choir. For instance we invoke or ‘summon’ Archangel Michael to grant us protection when needed, it is within his remit.

MuttleyLaff:

The decision making on the requests, prayers, applications etcetera and the responsibility for granting those decisions aren't within the angels' area of activity so why the need side-stepping Elohim and to invoke or petition angels?
Why petitioning angels then? Under what circumstances is seeking angels' grace and favour permitted and good for?

The circumstances for petitioning are outlined in the thread. Angels have their responsibilities.

MuttleyLaff:


Again, I reiterate, doesnt the buck stop with Elohim? So why the need side-stepping Elohim and to invoke or petition angels?
Especially when the responsibility for granting those decisions aren't within the angels' area of activity

Hmm, specificity indeed.
OK, hmm, answer these questions then
1) Is there a limit to the specificity the angel can be petitioned for?
2) Instead of directly petitioning Elohim,
when do you deem it OK and why necessary to go past or round Elohim, to petition the angel(s)?

What are the other methods of invoking them, apart from petition please?

You can petition an angel who has responsibility over an issue that concerns you, I gave the example of Michael for protection and also Raphael for health matters. You may petition an angel every day of the week if you desire, it does not mean the angel will respond to your every whim.

Why do you consider petitioning an angel as going around Elohim if an angel is merely carrying out its responsibilities? The fact that you are not aware of its responsibilities does not negate them.

@bolded. I do not wish to discuss other methods at this time.

MuttleyLaff:

The petitioning, the practice of invoking angels and the teaching of High Qabalah, like that of Kabbalah's (i.e. Kabbalistic teachings)
dismissively are shenanigans because they are amusing, humorous, and interestingly over-imaginative guessworks

Hahaha very funny!

MuttleyLaff:

Obviously, you find it perfectly acceptable promoting how to circumvent protocols and established way of doing something like petitioning
By established way, I mean, directly petitioning Elohim, and petitioning the subordinates

This idea of yours that somehow established protocols are being circumvented by petitioning angels is anachronistic. Of course one can petition Elohim too, but since as you mentioned, Qabalah teachings are fanciful then I shall refrain from tickling your ribs any further.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry.

Apology accepted.

MuttleyLaff:

I still maintain, though that, one doesn't summon, pray to and/or petition angels, except they are the other kinds of angels (i.e. fallen angels)

You are wrong, as usuual

SEEDS OF SATAN.

analice107:
SEEDS OF SATAN.

Is Satan a plant?

Sarassin:
If you had petitioned an angel and your petition gained the consent of the angel
any one of those signs occurring spontaneously within seven days of your written petition would be a sign of consent.
At any other time it is just what it is.

I am sorry, if I hurt your feelings
but this piece and the original one, honestly are either balderdash, a charade or else it's some other thing

Sarassin:
There are no tricks here,
I maintain that your view of the Angelic choir is informed by your biblical background only

View of Angelic choir indeed, this made me laugh
You mean the Angelic choir singing and praising God, saying:
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests!

Sarassin:
and this is why you insist that angel’s granting petitions must be corrupt messengers

You've misunderstood and misinterpreted my remark
Angels are celestial beings that have stations, responsibilities and/or assigned task
These celestial beings are dedicated and conscientious who take their duties very seriously
The allegiance of these celestial beings is to Elohim alone
They are under the authority of Elohim
so what's with this thing of side-stepping or avoiding Elohim and comfortable with dealing directly with surbordinates (i.e. angels)

It is only a corrupt person that will be granting petitions over things he doesnt create, manufacture, invent or produce

Sarassin:
It is not what I think, it is what I know.
Yes, you can summon an angel if you know what you are doing

Ah-ha, so it's if you know what you're doing

Sarassin:
It is a different matter entirely if the angel in question responds to you.
Angels are aspects of the Divine, granting petitions in your favour if it is in your best interest is well within the remit of the Throne angels or even the Angelic choir.
For instance we invoke or ‘summon’ Archangel Michael to grant us protection when needed, it is within his remit.

You mean, a la like: Aladdin's Genie in a bottle,
just like that, your wish is my command

Sarassin:
The circumstances for petitioning are outlined in the thread.
Angels have their responsibilities

Angels have their responsibilities is exactly the point.
They are celestial beings who are dedicated, conscientious & take their duties very seriously
They dont skive, dont avoid work or duty by shying away from their delivery responsibilities
so why is it necessary to petition them, what are they being petitioned about?

The buck stops with Elohim,
the Angels/celestial beings havent a say in the matter of granting petitions or making decision on things they dont create, produce or manufacture

Sarassin:
You can petition an angel who has responsibility over an issue that concerns you,
I gave the example of Michael for protection and also Raphael for health matters.
You may petition an angel every day of the week if you desire,
it does not mean the angel will respond to your every whim

You've all along, with reckless extent being abusing the word petition, by using it, in conjunction with angels
The sooner you recognise "petitioning an angel" is an indelible flaw, the better

Sarassin:
Why do you consider petitioning an angel as going around Elohim if an angel is merely carrying out its responsibilities?
The fact that you are not aware of its responsibilities does not negate them.

What for are the angels petitioned about?
The angels' responsibilities has nothing to do with production or manufacturing.
Doing deliveries are them carrying out their responsibilities
They dont manufacture wealth or produce healing/health, Elohim does all that, they just deliver
so Elohim, the product Manufacturer/Producer, always ought to be the port of call when in need of a product or have product issues requiring attended to

Sarassin:
@bolded. I do not wish to discuss other methods at this time

You want to keep a lid on it? I can live with that.
Momma RIP, raised me well enough, to know, when to respect other people's wishes

Sarassin:
Hahaha very funny!

Tickled your funny bone there, did I?
but you find it's true now, after continuing further reading

Sarassin:
This idea of yours that somehow established protocols are being circumvented by petitioning angels is anachronistic

Anachronism doesnt even remotely come into play here
You're just using the word as a red herring

Directly petitioning Elohim, INSTEAD of petitioning the subordinates, has always being the order of the day
and so petitioning angels is actually an uncalled for, wasteful use of energy & resource

When you have a problem with a product, you dont petition Royal Mail, the United States Postal Service, NIPOST, DHL etcetera about it,
you petition the product manufacturer and not petition any of those outfits

Royal Mail, the United States Postal Service, NIPOST, DHL etcetera are "angels" with the responsibility of the safe delivery of product(s) or package(s),
they return undelivered product(s) or package(s) back to the point of sale manufacturer/sender

Royal Mail, the United States Postal Service, NIPOST, DHL etcetera dont and cant grant petitions on product(s) or package(s) they dont manufacture
so petitioning either of them would be a completely waste of time and pointless effort

You feel me now?

Sarassin:
Of course one can petition Elohim too

Of course one can petition Elohim too, you say
then why not at the slightest instance or opportunity petition Elohim first instead of sucking up to angels
I am not disrespecting angels their for a second there,
as they already all do a great work without needing humans yakking in their ears and definitely barking at the wrong tree

Sarassin:
but since as you mentioned, Qabalah teachings are fanciful then I shall refrain from tickling your ribs any further.

No, dont refrain on my account.
Go ahead. I am a glutton for fanciful posts

Sarassin:
Apology accepted

Good sport

Sarassin:
You are wrong, as usuual

You would say that, wont you

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry, if I hurt your feelings
but this piece and the original one, honestly are either balderdash, a charade or else it's some other thing

No hurt feelings at all. It is a question of perspective, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

View of Angelic choir indeed, this made me laugh. You mean the Angelic choir singing and praising God, saying: Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests!

You walked right into that one. An angelic choir is a specific group of angels. An angel is a member of an angelic host, angel Samael for instance is of the Legion of the Seraphim and angel Cassiel is of the Choir of the Aralim. An archangel is the head of an angelic host. For example, Archangel Haniel is the head of the Host of the Elohim, while Archangel Gabriel rules the Cherubim. Your angelology is lacking and self-indulgent.

Anachronism doesnt even remotely come into play here. You're just using the word as a red herring. Directly petitioning Elohim, INSTEAD of petitioning the subordinates, has always being the order of the day and so petitioning angels is actually an uncalled for, wasteful use of energy & resource

When you have a problem with a product, you dont petition Royal Mail, the United States Postal Service, NIPOST, DHL etcetera about it,
you petition the product manufacturer and not petition any of those outfits

Royal Mail, the United States Postal Service, NIPOST, DHL etcetera are "angels" with the responsibility of the safe delivery of product(s) or package(s),
they return undelivered product(s) or package(s) back to the point of sale manufacturer/sender

Royal Mail, the United States Postal Service, NIPOST, DHL etcetera dont and cant grant petitions on product(s) or package(s) they dont manufacture
so petitioning either of them would be a completely waste of time and pointless effort You feel me now?

Sorry I do not feel you at all! I used the word anachronistic in a very good sense, I say it for the last and the repeated time, the petitioning of angels predates Christian writings therefore your view that petitioning an angel is to be considered as “circumventing protocol” is redundant. It is a narrow christian view.

You've all along, with reckless extent being abusing the word petition, by using it, in conjunction with angels. The sooner you recognise "petitioning an angel" is an indelible flaw, the better

This is your opinion, one you are entitled to no more no less.

Of course one can petition Elohim too, you say then why not at the slightest instance or opportunity petition Elohim first instead of sucking up to angels I am not disrespecting angels their for a second there, as they already all do a great work without needing humans yakking in their ears and definitely barking at the wrong tree

Einstein wrote that "God does not play dice with the universe" I am inclined to agree because I believe there is order in the heavenly realms. I do not really want to depart too far from the premise of the thread, so I will ask that you kindly allow me to borrow your use of analogies.

Let’s say you work for a global conglomerate headquartered let’s say in Jerusalem. You work as a grunt, a data entry technician in one of the company’s many worldwide offices say in Boise, Idaho USA. One month your wages are paid short by $50 so you immediately get on to the HR dept to find out why? HR tells you they will look into the matter but it might take a while. For you that 50 bucks is the difference between cooked dinners for you and the family or baloney sandwiches for a month, therefore you decide to escalate the matter, you write the head of corporate affairs in your branch who sends you a reply saying the matter is being looked into.

A few days passes by and nothing is heard and you get irritated, you fire off another letter to the Regional Divisional Head of matters North America. A reasonable amount of time passes and you have received no response, this time you think the company is on a wind up. So, you craft a carefully constructed letter and send it to HR Dept, Global HQ Jerusalem stating your case, still you get no satisfaction. Out of desperation you then write a very polite letter to the head honcho who is the Chairman Board of Dir and principal shareholder of Global Conglomerate stating what has happened and all the steps you have taken so far that led to you writing him directly, after-all you say….the buck stops with him!

Per chance your letter with the funny stamp from Boise Idaho is top of the pile of a stack of corporate communication dealing with intricate financial matters relating to the running of the global company and it is lying on the desk of the head Honcho who picks up the letter and reads its contents. Upon reading it he summons one of his many aides and asks him to look into the matter and report to him within the hour. Exactly 45 minutes later the aide returns saying the matter had been resolved in Boise, Idaho the 50 bucks had been repaid on the very day the letter had been dispatched.

Now in this simple analogy it is clear that the Chairman Board of Dir bears the ultimate responsibility, he owns the company and is responsible for the wellbeing of each of his employees worldwide, they work for him according to his laid down procedures and he pays their wages, if he so wishes he can take an overview of the performance levels of any of his employees at any time and make a judgement as to their effectiveness.
You as a grunt working away in Boise in your desked cubicle did not immediately write the Chairman in Jerusalem, you understood the structure and the chain of responsibilities and you understood that for maximum effectiveness your interests were best served by appealing to your immediate superiors. You understand the concept of derogation of responsibility.

You would say that, wont you

But of course.

I guess, it should be of interest to make this assertion without quoting anyone.
Yessss, we needed constructive argument to gain and open doors for more knowledge of true existence.It's an inward invention that moves us beyond our horizon, yet it's very absurd to be based on ignorance. That's the sign of the herds......( No offence intended).
Would l say something about kabala, quaballa or however you pen it, that! there is indeed anything magick, paranormals that works, it's kabbalah. In fact, the secret of occultism and all occult practices is highly embedded/ rooted kabbalism in a systematic and complex manner , that , who would be a dabbler wouldn't attempt it. And for sure as l know, Quabalism is the beginning and the end of all occult work through which every tradition, occult orders including yogic practices has drawn their inspiration and teachings. Until one becomes a kabbalistic master, magical activities will as always remain a story, cultural heritage which has no significant effect/ meaning to the practitioner.
As my piece of advice, anyone who would take this route so much less travelled, should get back to kabbalism . ln it lies the practical and effective work of occultism.

Ranchhoddas:
Is Satan a plant?

What do you know?

analice107:
What do you know?

Like Jon Snow: Nothing.

Just to add my thoughts to the previous post referring to Qabalah. The world is indeed a mystery, and mysteries can be dangerous to the uninitiated because divulging them can often lead to active discontent.

The Qabalah is not in itself a holy book like the Vedas, the Bible, or the Koran instead it is secret traditional and transcendental knowledge, the hidden thought of Israel. This knowledge is formed within a vast number of doctrines, such as the nature of God, the mystical cosmogony of the universe, the destiny of the universe, the creation of man, the immutability of God and the moral government of the universe.

Qabalah was known as an occult science long before the new cult called Christianity a Jewish heresy in itself arose. The secrets of Qabalah were closely guarded, and it is clear that many of their secrets were derived from Egypt and later on from the Babylonians. Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and in the first four books of the Pentateuch he has esoterically laid down the principles of the doctrines. Early Jewish writings tell us that Moses initiated seventy elders into the mysteries.

Qabalah being esoteric thought is integral to Judaism and by derogation to Christianity. It covers the evolution and devolution of the universe in every conceivable spiritual, moral, and intellectual form. Under symbolisms such as “The spirit clothes itself to come down and unclothes itself to go up” and again in Ecclesiastes, “Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth ?” We find Qabalistic doctrines wrapped up in utter secrecy save for the initiated.

There are aspects of Qabalah doctrine, the first aspect being the theoretical, or philosophical aspect which I have alluded to here and the second being the magical aspect that has developed around the teachings of the Merkabah - the Chariot of Ezekiel. Out of this magical Qabalah much of the magical schools of the Western World was developed.

It is breathtakingly ignorant to assert that Qabalah is fanciful guesswork. It is the application of knowledge to circumstances.

Hello Mr. Sarassin, I saw this thread and your work is superb. However, I have a question. What do you say about petitioning an angel in the event that my phone got stolen by someone that knows me.

Do the petitions work that way?

Sarassin:


Hello AmunaNo1, I would underline my understanding of morality and then proceed from there. There are three lives that we can choose from to live on earth, they are; the Spiritual life, the Religious life and the Ordinary human life of which morality is a part.
The ordinary life is that of the average human consciousness separated from its own true self and the Divine and led by the common habits of the mind.

The religious life is a movement of the same ignorant human consciousness, turning or trying to turn towards the Divine, but without knowledge and led by dogma and rules of some religious creed which claims to have found the way into a heavenly arena. The religious life may even be the first approach to the spiritual, but mostly it is a roundabout of ideas and forms without any substance.

The spiritual life, however, proceeds directly by a change of consciousness, a change from the ordinary consciousness to a greater consciousness in which one finds one’s true being and comes first into direct and living contact and then into union with the Divine. For the spiritual seeker this change of consciousness is the one thing he seeks and nothing else matters.

Morality is a part of the ordinary life, it is an attempt to govern visible conduct by certain rules or to form the character by these rules in the image of certain societal ideals. But the spiritual life goes beyond the mind, it enters into the deeper consciousness of the Spirit and acts out of the truth of the Spirit. Therefore I consider that morality is a construct of our ordinary life whereas karma is of Divine essence. To put it in plain language, Karma being Divine essence kicks in when we transgress Divine karmic laws.

As a mystic we are taught that one can dispense with the laws of morality because one submits to a higher law more rigorous than any moral law.

To answer your question with respect to deflection of karma by a left-hand path practitioner, It is clear that such a practitioner has come to the realisation that he is the sole ruler of his universe. He seeks no forgiveness or absolution for his deeds, he will not perform any karmic deflection rites, why? Because such practitioners having gained familiarity with the powers of darkness they understand full well that they are not to assimilate the experience of having wrought their havoc, they do not allow themselves to experience the emotions that arise from their deeds and that by not doing so they remove themselves out of the karmic stream. The attitude rightly or wrongly is that what is done is done and the devil be damned.

Been following this tread but I need to ask this. Now assuming a left hand practitioner "having wrought havoc" dies, wears the "cloak of forgetfulness", and returns to live a religious or normal life or probably practices middle or right hand in his new incanation. Lets assume for some reason, he or she accesses the akashic records of his old life and "ignorantly" feels guilty, what now happens. Has he re entered the karmic stream?

narrowpathy:


Been following this tread but I need to ask this. Now assuming a left hand practitioner "having wrought havoc" dies, wears the "cloak of forgetfulness", and returns to live a religious or normal life or probably practices middle or right hand in his new incanation. Lets assume for some reason, he or she accesses the akashic records of his old life and "ignorantly" feels guilty, what now happens. Has he re entered the karmic stream?

No. There is no karmic retribution because the action has been disavowed, it is an act of finality.

Sarassin:


No. There is no karmic retribution because the action has been disavowed, it is an act of finality.

Okay. Thanks

Sarassin:


No. There is no karmic retribution because the action has been disavowed, it is an act of finality.

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Confession is good for the soul. In this regards the Catholics are on to something, on many occasions in the course of my little practice I receive requests for help and assistance on various life matters, people find themselves stagnant, in a rut unable to move forward in life or make any form of progress, some find themselves boxed in to a corner of life where nothing works for them, everything they turn their hands to falls flat on its face, they lose what little they have in the first place. For such people prayers warriors have turned their homes into giant battlefields against the perceived infernals, their pastors and marabouts have practically moved into their bedrooms telling them when and when not to have relations with their spouses, a great aunt somewhere or a little uncle around the corner wishes them ill-luck, they have well and truly entered the self-fulfilling cycle of despair and despondency.

At such times as above, the advice I give is often the least expected. When you find yourself in a position such as described above then the first thing to do is to unburden one’s soul through the act of confession. We hardly realise that the greatest “sin” we can commit is that against our greater self, such acts bring our lives to a complete standstill it is that act committed in stark contrast to what you have come to accept as being morally correct. Stop for a moment and re-read that last sentence . I am not referring to societal morality because those can be subjective, but I mean that committed act which changes you at the core, perhaps you took advantage of someone unfairly when they were vulnerable, perhaps you profoundly changed a person’s life by a subtle falsehood, whatever it is that gnaws at you is what you must bring to the surface. Light a white candle, get a glass of water place both items on a white dish or table cloth beside you and confess these issues to yourself and to your ancestors on both sides through whose bloodline you exist and you may have brought dishonour, seek forgiveness, you are your own judge and your ancestors are your jury, be honest.

To do so in the proper manner is an act of humility, use the seven penitent psalms: 6,32,38,51, 102,130 and 143. Do this with deep sincerity and you will literally feel the weight lift off your shoulders. You will find that divinity begins to align with you once more, doors that had previously been locked against you will slowly begin to swing open, that person who once pulled you back as you were about to cross the road without seeing will return once more.

The best things in life are free.

I wish to drop a thought about the sacred magic of angels.

I have been sooo busy lately, I hardly had enough time to read the thread, let alone write a post. I wish to come back and give some testimonials about the sacred angelic magic. In the meatime, thanks to Sarassin for the time invested. In Durant's voice, "you are the real MVP"

wonderful piece here sarassin....
i will be contributing some qaballah lores here as time goes on.

such an effort the op is making to enlighten individuals. for anyone interested in free numerological readings should quote me. i will give you an insight into days when you should engage in particular endeavours

lekkie073:
wonderful piece here sarassin....
i will be contributing some qaballah lores here as time goes on.

Sounds good, looking forward to it.

LoJ:
I wish to drop a thought about the sacred magic of angels.

I have been sooo busy lately, I hardly had enough time to read the thread, let alone write a post. I wish to come back and give some testimonials about the sacred angelic magic. In the meatime, thanks to Sarassin for the time invested. In Durant's voice, "you are the real MVP"

Thanks Sounds good.

Sarassin:
Moving on with the angelic theme....

Angelic petitions are written in one of two alphabets or in a combination of the two. The first one is The Theban alphabet, to use it you simply change the character of our present alphabet into the equivalent character of the Theban alphabet. The second alphabet used as I alluded to in other posts is the Enochian alphabet and it is the more powerful of the two, its letters are living things and it is more difficult to use because unlike the Theban alphabet it requires more than simple transliteration, the characters of the Enochian alphabet are phonetic. So when using Enochian, you must spell out the words phonetically. It is vital that you speak the word you are writing as you write it, the power of this alphabet permeates through the levels into full manifestation by sound and sign.

Additionally letters of petition to the angels are written in the plural, i.e you never state "please help me," always state "please help us."

with regards to the thebian and enochian alphabets being called angelic alphabets, I wish to understand more.

in qaballah which also is enshrined with (but not limited) to angelic communication, the main alphabeths used are Hebrew alphabets and qaballistic archives show that the various parchments and pentacles used by moses and Solomon to petition angels, spirits as well as elementals were in the Hebrew alphabets.

so I begin to wonder which actually is more applicable in order to get the best results.

sarassin, please treat the above.




BTW, I am a student/initiate of esoteric processes and all my studies (which come from an array of esoteric schools of thought) have most time see the Hebrew alphabet as the main root of angel invocation.

Association and communication with higher beings should be practised to detail.
Attached is some tables to let u know when to engage in a particular operation.

numericalsage:
such an effort the op is making to enlighten individuals. for anyone interested in free numerological readings should quote me. i will give you an insight into days when you should engage in particular endeavours

I've been a follower on this thread front the first page, but this is my first comment, I follow all threads made by Sarassin cos he's versed in what he does, can I get a numerical reading for myself..

lekkie073:
with regards to the thebian and enochian alphabets being called angelic alphabets, I wish to understand more.

in qaballah which also is enshrined with (but not limited) to angelic communication, the main alphabeths used are Hebrew alphabets and qaballistic archives show that the various parchments and pentacles used by moses and Solomon to petition angels, spirits as well as elementals were in the Hebrew alphabets.

so I begin to wonder which actually is more applicable in order to get the best results.

sarassin, please treat the above.

BTW, I am a student/initiate of esoteric processes and all my studies (which come from an array of esoteric schools of thought) have most time see the Hebrew alphabet as the main root of angel invocation.

Fantastic question. It really depends on your school of thought, if you are coming from a Qabalah background you would likely have been taught using the standard Hebrew alphabet, if you are classically trained say for instance in the Hermetic system then you would have been trained to use one of the angelic scripts. Truth is both the Theban, Enochian and even Celestial scripts are derived from the Hebrew alphabet. The Enochian in particular is a living alphabet and far more powerful than the Hebrew, its principal purpose and use was to disguise advanced Qabalah teachings.

The angelic scripts are taken from the works of Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa. Whilst one can petition the angels in any language, including Hebrew, it is far more effective to use the angelic scripts, you speak the words aas you write them thereby endowing your petition with energy.

Could you tell us a bit more about your scope of practice?

lekkie073:
BTW, I am a student/initiate of esoteric processes and all my studies (which come from an array of esoteric schools of thought) have most time see the Hebrew alphabet as the main root of angel invocation.

Hello there, nice to read you.

I would say, it all depends on the paradigm. There are various approaches to petitioning angels, some do not even involve any written language. I am aware of the MoPai school of the chinese internal arts where practionners learn to summon the devas with another very effective method wich involve no written language, whether "angelic" or not.

It is in my opinion very difficult to assess the superiority of a tradition over another, since "all roads lead to rome". I would rather say that one should first of all stick to what works best for him, taking all factors into consideration.

LoJ:

Hello there, nice to read you.

I would say, it all depends on the paradigm. There are various approaches to petitioning angels, some do not even involve any written language. I am aware of the MoPai school of the chinese internal arts where practionners learn to summon the devas with another very effective method wich involve no written language, whether "angelic" or not.

It is in my opinion very difficult to assess the superiority of a tradition over another, since "all roads lead to rome". I would rather say that one should first of all stick to what works best for him, taking all factors into consideration.

dis is what I expected as a reply.
truly, all branches of a tree have the same trunk leading to the root.

Sarassin:


Fantastic question. It really depends on your school of thought, if you are coming from a Qabalah background you would likely have been taught using the standard Hebrew alphabet, if you are classically trained say for instance in the Hermetic system then you would have been trained to use one of the angelic scripts. Truth is both the Theban, Enochian and even Celestial scripts are derived from the Hebrew alphabet. The Enochian in particular is a living alphabet and far more powerful than the Hebrew, its principal purpose and use was to disguise advanced Qabalah teachings.

The angelic scripts are taken from the works of Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa. Whilst one can petition the angels in any language, including Hebrew, it is far more effective to use the angelic scripts, you speak the words aas you write them thereby endowing your petition with energy.

Could you tell us a bit more about your scope of practice?

once upon a time, my parents after ransacking my wardrobe came across some occultic implements like candles, white clothes, frankincense, fragrance and some books. so shocked, they had to take me to a cele pastor who called me to his inner chambers.

celeman: young man how did u get dis things and who taught u all dis?
answer: I grew up liking and researching such knowledge.

celeman: I am not here to tell u if such knowledge is good or bad. bit I have to tell u dat it is dangerous to engage in it if u r not trained.
answer: after years of reading and meditating, I have trained my mind/soul to attune to such vibrations.

celeman: ok....u r ordained then.
answer: if u say so.

now, when d celeman took me to the presence of my parents, he said he needed to do a special prayer for me that they should go and buy candles, fragrance and some frankincense.
we were on our way to buy those things when I received the message. my parents should go and buy the same materials they saw and were scared!

me: dad, where r we going now?
dad: didn't u hear the man said we should go and buy candles, fragrance and frankinsence for the prayers?

me: but r this not the same things u saw and were scared what I wanted to use it for?
dad: huh?

he was perplexed. but he understood the unspoken. we just went home straight. the rest is history



I am just a student of esoteric processes. I soft-pedalled when my wife too started to get really scared of the kind of books that make up my library. but as u know, d pull doesn't just stop. I find myself still on the path of seeking enlightenment.