Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

Christians pray to God for the sins committed against God
but this mary-satan (wanting to be God) wants prayers for the sins comitted against her


13 September 1917
"Continue to pray the Rosary in order to obtain the end of the war. In October Our Lord will come, as well as Our Lady of Dolours and Our Lady of Carmel. Saint Joseph will appear with the Child Jesus to bless the world. God is pleased with your sacrifices. He does not want you to sleep with the rope on, but only to wear it during the daytime."

Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

mary again said she will cure some,
but as christians know it is God who heals

and mary teaches to pray many times, that is to pray repetitively, as they do with the hail mary prayer,
and which goes against God's word:
Mat_6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

lucia is to pray this prayer repetively-many times " O Jesus, it is for love of You",
while it was Jesus who said not to pray repetitively,

sick isn't it, evil is a more accurate word.

johnw74:



i haven't seen the whole message, so why don't you put it up
it won't change what she-he said: "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"

i promise salvation to whoever embraces it...................really you do not know what this means.
okay here i go "i promise salvation to whoever embraces it,says blackbriar".
if you continue reading her messages, you will come to where she was asked by the kids, "who are you?". she never claimed to be God, instead "the immaculate conception".

johnw74:
Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

mary again said she will cure some,
but as christians know it is God who heals

and mary teaches to pray many times, that is to pray repetitively, as they do with the hail mary prayer,
and which goes against God's word:
Mat_6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

lucia is to pray this prayer repetively-many times " O Jesus, it is for love of You",
while it was Jesus who said not to pray repetitively,

sick isn't it, evil is a more accurate word.

Just as the Good lord teavhes to say the Lords prayer when will pray and to also pray without season.

johnw74:
Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

Christians pray to God for the sins committed against God
but this mary-satan (wanting to be God) wants prayers for the sins comitted against her


13 September 1917
"Continue to pray the Rosary in order to obtain the end of the war. In October Our Lord will come, as well as Our Lady of Dolours and Our Lady of Carmel. Saint Joseph will appear with the Child Jesus to bless the world. God is pleased with your sacrifices. He does not want you to sleep with the rope on, but only to wear it during the daytime."

the blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception,

against her virginity,

Just you as you sin against your fellow man when you lie against him.

blackbriar:


i promise salvation to whoever embraces it...................really you do not know what this means.
okay here i go "i promise salvation to whoever embraces it,says blackbriar".
if you continue reading her messages, you will come to where she was asked by the kids, "who are you?". she never claimed to be God, instead "the immaculate conception".

bb you said:
"I promise salvation to whoever embraces it" means "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"



can you give a reply to anything, it seems all you rc's can do is twist things around.
in claiming to give salvation and to heal, mary puts herself in the position of God.

mary was born in the same way as every other woman, how was marys conception immaculate, show from the Bible,
and not from rcc ridiculous false made up doctrines.

blackbriar:


Just as the Good lord teavhes to say the Lords prayer when will pray and to also pray without season.

duh, to "pray without season"
do you think that means to pray repetitively, saying the same prayer over and over again?

how is your few confused words a reply to this:

johnw74:
Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

mary again said she will cure some,
but as christians know it is God who heals

and mary teaches to pray many times, that is to pray repetitively, as they do with the hail mary prayer,
and which goes against God's word:
Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

lucia is to pray this prayer repetively-many times " O Jesus, it is for love of You",
while it was Jesus who said not to pray repetitively,

sick isn't it, evil is a more accurate word.

blackbriar:

the blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception,

against her virginity,

Just you as you sin against your fellow man when you lie against him.

duh, mary was conceived the same way as all other people (other than Jesus Christ), nothing immaculate about it
and mary asked for prayers for the sins comitted against her, whereas Christians pray for the sins they comitted against God.
but i do understand you are blinded to it all and haven't a clue:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you bb worship a woman who wasn't a virgin after she had other children
and you worship the apperations of a woman who called herself the immaculate conception
and is in fact satan the devil, the god of the roman catholic church.

You don't back up your clains from God's word bb, because you cannot,
your false doctrines are not there in the Bible

johnw74:



duh, mary was conceived the same way as all other people (other than Jesus Christ), nothing immaculate about it
and mary asked for prayers for the sins comitted against her
but i do understand you are blinded to it all and haven't a clue:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you bb worship a woman who wasn't a virgin after she had other children
and you worship the apperations of a woman who called herself the immaculate conception
and is in fact satan the devil, the god of the roman catholic church.

You don't back up your clains from God's word bb, because you cannot,
your false doctrines are not there in the Bible

Yes mary was conceived like any other man or woman but she was with God's grace from birth.
I still can not see where she is been worshipped as you claimed.

johnw74:


bb you said:
"I promise salvation to whoever embraces it" means "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"



can you give a reply to anything, it seems all you rc's can do is twist things around.
in claiming to give salvation and to heal, mary puts herself in the position of God.

mary was born in the same way as every other woman, how was marys conception immaculate, show from the Bible,
and not from rcc ridiculous false made up doctrines.

YES....there is no bible support to show that her conception was immaculate.
but the good lord was born without sin(original sin) hence he didnt inherit it from his mohter, that is what theologians attribute to the statemnet of the archangel....hail mary,full of grace.......her exemption from original sin.

blackbriar:


Yes mary was conceived like any other man or woman but she was with God's grace from birth.
I still can not see where she is been worshipped as you claimed.

are all people with God's grace from birth, if not show Bible verses where mary is

@bold, of course you cannot you have been blinded because you don't believe;

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw74:


are all people with God's grace from birth, if not show Bible verses where mary is

@bold, of course you cannot you have been blinded because you don't believe;

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

i have answered that.

blackbriar:


YES....there is no bible support to show that her conception was immaculate.
but the good lord was born without sin(original sin) hence he didnt inherit it from his mohter, that is what theologians attribute to the statemnet of the archangel....hail mary,full of grace.......her exemption from original sin.

duh, again show your claims from the Bible, i'm not interisted in your opinion or the lies of your church

mary was full of grace because she was much blessed By God, it has nothing to do with being exempt from original sin,
what a lot of unbibical garbage you use

johnw74:


duh, again show your claims from the Bible, i'm not interisted in your opinion or the lies of your church

mary was full of grace because she was much blessed By God, it has nothing to do with being exempt from original sin,
what a lot of unbibical garbage you use

YES SHE WAS SO MUCH BLESSED BY GOD TO BE THE MOTHER OF HIS SON...THAT IS BEEN FULL OF GRACE.

blackbriar:


i have answered that.

quit with the lies, you haven't answered much of anything, just a lot of dribble

johnw74:


are all people with God's grace from birth, if not show Bible verses where mary is

again, are all people with God's grace from birth
all you answered was that the Bible doesn't agree with your false doctrine of mary being full of grace at birth

blackbriar:


YES SHE WAS SO MUCH BLESSED BY GOD TO BE THE MOTHER OF HIS SON...THAT IS BEEN FULL OF GRACE.

that is what i told you,
again, it doesn't mean she was free from original sin which you lied and claimed

johnw74:


that is what i told you,
again, it doesn't mean she was free from original sin which you lied and claimed

if she wasnt that means christ would have had original sin. its logic,
which is why her conception was regarded to be immaculate....free from original sin(HER GRACE).
whether you agree or not, it doesnt take away her role in the story of our salvation neither does it change the fact that she is the mother of the messiah.
she was just full of grace and played her own part.
now it is up to us to play our own part in the story of our salvation. nagging over and over and over this issue wont help matters.
what we should be doing is evangelising to people around us, have we said good morning to them, asked if their night was good?

blackbriar:


if she wasnt that means christ would have had original sin. its logic,
which is why her conception was regarded to be immaculate....free from original sin(HER GRACE).
whether you agree or not, it doesnt take away her role in the story of our salvation neither does it change the fact that she is the mother of the messiah.
she was just full of grace and played her own part.
now it is up to us to play our own part in the story of our salvation. nagging over and over and over this issue wont help matters.
what we should be doing is evangelising to people around us, have we said good morning to them, asked if their night was good?

just more of your own and rcc words, you have no truth from God's word-the Bible

@bold, mary doesn't have a role in salvation, it is all thanks to Jesus Christ:

Act_4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

salvation is from Jesus, no other name includes mary

blackbriar:


if she wasnt that means christ would have had original sin. its logic,
which is why her conception was regarded to be immaculate....free from original sin(HER GRACE).

Rom 5:12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 

God didn't attribute the original sin to eve even though she was the first to disobey God
and eat of the tree of knowing good and evil, God attributed the original sin to adam

original sin is passed on from ones father starting with adam
it was passed on to mary through her father,
however it was not passed onto Jesus through His Father God.

13 October 1917

"I want to tell you that a chapel is to be built here in my honour. I am the Lady of the Rosary. Continue always to pray the Rosary every day. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes."



Christians honor God, this mary-satan wants honor to go to her




She explained later that she had been given to understand that this related to the five main types of blasphemies and offences committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary: that is against the Immaculate Conception; against Mary's Virginity; against her Divine Maternity and her spiritual motherhood of mankind; for the offences of those who encourage in the hearts of children indifference, contempt and even hatred of her, and finally as reparation for those who outrage her in her holy images.




what a lot of garbage one would wonder how anyone could believe it

it's all about mary, God is only sometimes mentioned in the apperations of satan disguised as mary the mother of Jesus, to help the deceived believe it

a very little bit of truth, and many many lies

johnw74:


Rom 5:12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 

God didn't attribute the original sin to eve even though she was the first to disobey God
and eat of the tree of knowing good and evil, God attributed the original sin to adam

original sin is passed on from ones father starting with adam
it was passed on to mary through her father,
however it was not passed onto Jesus through His Father God.

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ephesians 2:2

johnw74:
13 October 1917

"I want to tell you that a chapel is to be built here in my honour. I am the Lady of the Rosary. Continue always to pray the Rosary every day. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes."



Christians honor God, this mary-satan wants honor to go to her




She explained later that she had been given to understand that this related to the five main types of blasphemies and offences committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary: that is against the Immaculate Conception; against Mary's Virginity; against her Divine Maternity and her spiritual motherhood of mankind; for the offences of those who encourage in the hearts of children indifference, contempt and even hatred of her, and finally as reparation for those who outrage her in her holy images.




what a lot of garbage one would wonder how anyone could believe it

it's all about mary, God is only sometimes mentioned in the apperations of satan disguised as mary the mother of Jesus, to help the deceived believe it

a very little bit of truth, and many many lies

indeed a chapel was built in her honor to remind us daily of her message to mankind, HOW OUR SINS HURT THE LORD, HOW WILL SHOULD LIVE A LIFE OF DAILY PRAYER AND PENITENCE.

blackbriar:

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ephesians 2:2

duh bb, you use the Bible that you don't believe

that isn't ephesians 2:2 it's psalm 51:5

Psa 51:5  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 

and it's not saying original sin is passed on by the mother
David was saying that his sin was there even at conception, before he was born

blackbriar:


indeed a chapel was built in her honor to remind us daily of her message to mankind, HOW OUR SINS HURT THE LORD, HOW WILL SHOULD LIVE A LIFE OF DAILY PRAYER AND PENITENCE.

bb, you are lying again, your mary didn't say that

your mary said "a chapel is to be built here in my honour"
you see she-satan wants you to honour her, and you do

Christians honour God and don't build chapels for any other

look at those deceived people in the photo,
facing and bowing their heads and praying to a statue

roman catholice believe the woman clothed with the sun of revelation 12:1-2 is mary the mother of Jesus

now one of the curses of the fall-disobeying God-the original sin, is that women will have pain in child birth

so either the woman clothed with the sun is not mary, or mary has inherited original sin



Rev 12:1  And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 
Rev 12:2  And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 

Gen 3:12  And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 
Gen 3:13  And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 
Gen 3:14  And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 
Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 
Gen 3:16  Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 
Gen 3:17  And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 
Gen 3:18  Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 
Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

johnw74:



duh bb, you use the Bible that you don't believe

that isn't ephesians 2:2 it's psalm 51:5

Psa 51:5  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 

and it's not saying original sin is passed on by the mother
David was saying that his sin was there even at conception, before he was born

na wa o ...who says catholics dont believe in Bible...chai.
bros that is Ephesians read it. it is plain clear
and this what the church teaches.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

johnw74:


bb, you are lying again, your mary didn't say that

your mary said "a chapel is to be built here in my honour"
you see she-satan wants you to honour her, and you do

Christians honour God and don't build chapels for any other

all catholic house of worship are built in honour of a personality. st agnes catholic church or holy cross cathedral or even Ss michael,raphael and gabriel or church of the pentecost or ressurection.

blackbriar:


all catholic house of worship are built in honour of a personality. st agnes catholic church or holy cross cathedral or even Ss michael,raphael and gabriel or church of the pentecost or ressurection.

yes i know you build houses of worship to worship deceased men and women,
kneeling down and bowing your heads before their statues, which of course is idolatery

vvv roman catholic idolators, and pope adoring your lady of fatima statue sick evil

blackbriar:


na wa o ...who says catholics dont believe in Bible...chai.

i say, and here is one example:
rc's say mary is the queen of heaven
the bible shows that the queen of heaven
is a false god;

Jer_7:18  Children gather wood, fathers light fires, and women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven. They pour out wine offerings to other gods in order to make me furious.

blackbriar:

bros that is Ephesians read it. it is plain clear

bb, your unbelief and lies has you also confused

bb:

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ephesians 2:2

the Bible:
Eph 2:2  You followed the ways of this present world and its spiritual ruler. This ruler continues to work in people who refuse to obey God.


and once again, the verse you posted as eph 2:2 is in fact psalm 51:5

kjv Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

blackbriar:

and this what the church teaches.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

i know the lies that satan's church teaches, i have pointed out a few and you have no genuine comeback on them
just your confusion.

johnw74:


yes i know you build houses of worship to worship deceased men and women,
kneeling down and bowing your heads before their statues, which of course is idolatery

vvv roman catholic idolators, and pope adoring your lady of fatima statue sick evil

we build our house of worship to remind us of the faith for which some have labored and given their life for.
from St . agnes who was matryred to St . James the apostle, patron saint of spain.
to even christians like Mulumba and also. we also dedicated our house of worship to the many attributes of God, creator of heave and earth. the triumph of the cross, the most holy trinity, his ressurection, his ascension etc.
PLS WHAT HAPPENS TO CHRISTIANS WHO DIE IN THE FAITH?

johnw74:


i say, and here is one example:
rc's say mary is the queen of heaven
the bible shows that the queen of heaven
is a false god;

Jer_7:18  Children gather wood, fathers light fires, and women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven. They pour out wine offerings to other gods in order to make me furious.





bb, your unbelief and lies has you also confused

bb:


the Bible:
Eph 2:2  You followed the ways of this present world and its spiritual ruler. This ruler continues to work in people who refuse to obey God.


and once again, the verse you posted as eph 2:2 is in fact psalm 51:5

kjv Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.





i'm know the lies that satan's church teaches, i have pointed out a few and you have no genuine comeback on them
just your confusion.

You do not know what the church teaches because all you know about the church is form a hate site.
Read the vatican link up there.