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Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 9:20am On Oct 18, 2017
blackbriar:


we build our house of worship to remind us of the faith for which some have labored and given their life for.
from St . agnes who was matryred to St . James the apostle, patron saint of spain.
to even christians like Mulumba and also. we also dedicated our house of worship to the many attributes of God, creator of heave and earth. the triumph of the cross, the most holy trinity, his ressurection, his ascension etc.
PLS WHAT HAPPENS TO CHRISTIANS WHO DIE IN THE FAITH?

the deceased persons that you worship are not Christians of faith
they are deceived individuals believing all sort of unbibical rubbish
as you do
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 9:26am On Oct 18, 2017
blackbriar:


You do not know what the church teaches because all you know about the church is form a hate site.
Read the vatican link up there.

ha ha, i have exposed some rcc lies here which you don't respond to
but you do love to continue in your lies and false accusing, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 10:42am On Oct 18, 2017
blackbriar:


You do not know what the church teaches because all you know about the church is form a hate site.
Read the vatican link up there.

bb, a site that teaches from the Bible you call a hate site,
that's how evil you and your church are
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by Ubenedictus(m): 1:58pm On Oct 18, 2017
freshboi88:

Omo this one nah fatality o....dem don kill u here
make dem try.
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by Ubenedictus(m): 2:03pm On Oct 18, 2017
johnw74:


I already proved the early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to.
Peter Paul and all the original teachers didn't teach about having statues, and praying to deceased saints, and that's just a couple of things






truly pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but you confused uben reply with garbage not related to what is said,



you uben cannot reply to what is said, but twist everything around,
which of course is what haters of the truth do, they lie

sorry you didn't prove anything.
you simply imagined that whatever the Bible isn't explicit about is wrong you forgot the Church came before the new testament.
why not try going through the writings of the early Christians and be informed.

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Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 3:32pm On Oct 18, 2017
johnw74:


the deceased persons that you worship are not Christians of faith
they are deceived individuals believing all sort of unbibical rubbish
as you do

st stephen,first matryr of the faith or the apostles?
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 3:32pm On Oct 18, 2017
johnw74:


bb, a site that teaches from the Bible you call a hate site,
that's how evil you and your church are
ooo really and i thought you read your bible
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 3:33pm On Oct 18, 2017
johnw74:


ha ha, i have exposed some rcc lies here which you don't respond to
but you do love to continue in your lies and false accusing, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


i am still straching my head from trying so hard to locate the lies you noted
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 10:38pm On Oct 18, 2017
Ubenedictus:
sorry you didn't prove anything.
you simply imagined that whatever the Bible isn't explicit about is wrong you forgot the Church came before the new testament.
why not try going through the writings of the early Christians and be informed.

God's word - the Bible is indeed proof

but not to you uben who belong to satans church,
you who go on and on about the rcc compiling the Bible
but don't believe much of what is said in it

if you don't believe some of God's inspired word then you don't believe it is God's inspired word
the rcc is just another sect honoring deceased persons through statues made to them
you are pagans and cannot see it, because you hate truth, your god has blinded you:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 10:42pm On Oct 18, 2017
Ubenedictus:
make dem try.

you are killed over and over again oh blinded one, but you cannot see anything
but your own lies
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 10:45pm On Oct 18, 2017
blackbriar:


st stephen,first matryr of the faith or the apostles?

stephen was of the Christian faith,
not of the rcc faith, worshiping statues etc.
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 10:47pm On Oct 18, 2017
blackbriar:

ooo really and i thought you read your bible

^^^ as usual a confused reply
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 10:48pm On Oct 18, 2017
blackbriar:


i am still straching my head from trying so hard to locate the lies you noted

read back through your posts oh blinded one
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:03pm On Oct 18, 2017
Question: "Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?"

Answer:
The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our salvation.

gotquestions dot org
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:19pm On Oct 18, 2017
The Bible foretold that the antichrist beast would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones.

“The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4

Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 8:43am On Oct 19, 2017
bb & uben, God says one thing and you rc's say something else, showing that you hate God

rc's bow down before statues, and God Himself said that you hate Him:
Exo_20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6121911_catholicidolaters_jpegb04bfda8b116d9043ab8dcb40e7f0061

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6121912_popeadoringyourladyoffatima_gifa6ebfc6a5a7961717bcf136da5afc328
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 10:59am On Oct 19, 2017
johnw74:
Question: "Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?"

Answer:
The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our salvation.

gotquestions dot org





STOP GOING HATE FILLED WEBSITE TO QUOTE LIES, DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU POSTED, IT DOESNT ADD UP.

THIS WHAT CATHOLICS BELIEVES-
The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 – cool
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

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Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 11:01am On Oct 19, 2017
johnw74:


The Bible foretold that the antichrist beast would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones.

“The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4

CHAI.....na holy eucharist you dey call abomination.....kai.....mea maxima culpa.
the same holy Eucharist that Pentecostals now do.

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Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:11pm On Oct 19, 2017
blackbriar:


STOP GOING HATE FILLED WEBSITE TO QUOTE LIES, DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU POSTED, IT DOESNT ADD UP.


ha ha, bb you dont even know what your satanic church teaches cheesy

you just continue in your lies, taking after your god, and saying anything

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


some proof for you bb about rc's believing salvation is more than just faith in Jesus Christ:

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism


Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.

In light of all of this, I've written three interrelated articles:

Part 1, Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 2, Maintaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 3, Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
See also, Summary of process of salvation in Roman Catholicism


Attaining Salvation, Part 1 of 3
Actual grace

Actual Grace is the first step in the process of attaining salvation in Roman Catholicism. Actual grace is what God gives to a person to enable the person to seek and respond to God’s call of faith. It helps the person move towards God--where he then freely chooses to accept or reject God’s work in Christ.

Actual grace is “A supernatural help of God for salutary [beneficial] acts granted in consideration of the merits of Christ,” (Catholic Encyclopedia, “Actual Grace”).
"Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God's call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God's interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, herein referred to as CCC, par. 2000).

With actual grace working on a person, he is then able to have faith which is necessary for salvation. But this faith is not a simple faith in Christ's work on the cross, so that we are justified by faith alone in Christ's work alone (Rom. 4:5; 5:1; Gal. 2:16). On the contrary, according to Catholicism, the faith that is necessary for salvation must be a faith that also affirms what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

"Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: ‘He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.’ (Mk 16:16),” (CCC 183).
“Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself," (CCC 1814).
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).

Baptism

Once actual grace has done its work and the person believes the gospel (and in the Roman Catholic Church), baptism is a necessary element for salvation in Roman Catholicism. It is where sins are removed and a person is justified before God.

". . . Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that 'we too might walk in newness of life,'" (CCC 977).
“Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude . . . " (CCC 1257).
"Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. It has for its goal the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life. It is the most excellent work of God's mercy," (CCC 2020).

At baptism, a person is restored to a state of innocence before God by erasing original sin. Justification occurs in baptism, and sanctifying grace (the grace that saves) is infused into him.

“Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin . . . " (CCC 405).
“Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy,” (CCC 1992).
“The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism,” (CCC 1999).
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:14pm On Oct 19, 2017
continue:

Good Works

According to Roman Catholicism, once a person is baptized and his original sin is removed, he must perform good works because they are also necessary for salvation.

”The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC, par. 2010).
“The Decalogue [the Ten Commandments] contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason,” (CCC 2080).
" . . . the Second Vatican Council confirms: 'The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,'" (CCC 2068).

Good works are necessary because Roman Catholicism denies justification by faith alone. Justification is the declaration of righteousness. It is where the righteousness of Christ is reckoned to the believer (Phil. 3:9) by faith (Rom. 5:1). It is not by faith and something but by faith alone (Rom. 4:1-5). But, Roman Catholicism declares that if anyone believes in justification by faith alone in Christ alone, then he is to be cursed.

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema," (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).
"If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema," (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 14).
“If any one saith, that the justice [righteousness] received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 24).

So in Roman Catholicism, attaining salvation is a process that includes faith, baptism, and good works. Therefore, in Roman Catholicism, attaining salvation and being justified (being right in God’s eyes) is not an instantaneous event received by faith. It is a long process.
Biblical Response

Salvation in Roman Catholic Salvation is a system of works combined with faith. But, what does the Bible say about salvation when it comes to faith and works? It separates them and clearly says that works are not part of becoming saved.

"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one." (Rom. 3:28-30).
"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," (Rom. 4:1-5).
"Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified." (Gal. 2:16).

So we can see that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone. Did you also know that adding works to salvation is condemned in scripture?

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:1-3).
"Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." (Gal. 5:2-4).
“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" (Matt. 7:22-23).

In Gal. 3:1-3 above, Paul is clearly teaching that the Galatians were fools. Why? They were adding works to the work of the Holy Spirit. In Gal. 5:2-4, Paul tells them if they received circumcision, that they would not be under grace. Circumcision represented the works of the Law, and Paul clearly tells them that just getting circumcised (not doing good works) would damn them. Why? Because it was a symbol of keeping the Law. That is why Paul had previously said in Gal. 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” Finally, in Matt. 7:22-23 we see an account where Jesus condemns people on the day of judgment. Why would they be condemned? They were appealing to their faith in Christ and their works for their salvation on "bad day." By adding any works into the active salvation, it means that the work of God is not sufficient, but that it needs to be perfected--completed by human effort. This is why salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. It cannot be by faith and any of our works.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

matt slick
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:32pm On Oct 19, 2017
blackbriar:


CHAI.....na holy eucharist you dey call abomination.....kai.....mea maxima culpa.
the same holy Eucharist that Pentecostals now do.

truly oh blinded one, revelations woman of abominations is the rcc

Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:43pm On Oct 19, 2017
rc's say they don't worship mary and other deceased persons
yet you yourself bb say that you build houses of worship for them cheesy

and you also build images of those persons and you bow down before them,
you pray before them, you kneel before them,
and then you say you don't have idols,
you bb and rc's are blinded as bats, and cannot stop lying:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 11:48pm On Oct 19, 2017
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 12:41am On Oct 20, 2017
blackbriar:


CHAI.....na holy eucharist you dey call abomination.....kai.....mea maxima culpa.
the same holy Eucharist that Pentecostals now do.

the whole world follow satan,
the whole world is all but true Christians,
true Christians are not of the world,
you bb are, and you follow satan the devil

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

satan is the god of this world
bb, he is the god who has blinded you:

2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

bb, satan is your father and your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 5:14am On Oct 20, 2017
Does the Roman Catholic
Church deny the Jesus of the Bible?


"Whom Do Ye Say That I Am?"

Jesus obviously felt it was important for his disciples to know his true identity. This is probably the most important issue in the Bible (Matthew 16:13-20). Although the Roman Catholic Church professes to believe in Jesus Christ, we will see that they actually deny most of the essentials of : A) Who he is (substance and ancestry); and B) What he has done. If anyone redefines who Jesus is or what he has done they have a different (false) Christ. For example, if I were to teach that, " Jesus was born in Japan in 1830, He killed 24 people, He even lied to many people during His lifetime, and finally died in 1902 of old age," I would be teaching a false Jesus. At the least, I would be denying his birth place, his Jewish ancestry, and his death on the cross. If I were to teach this about Jesus Christ, it would be enough to define a different (false) Jesus Christ. By definition, anyone who professes a false Christ denies the true one.

Who is the Real Rock?

Jesus himself said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me” (John 14:6). In Matt. 16:13-20, Jesus asked his disciples a very important question, “Who do you say that I am?” Jesus is asking the key question of the Bible: he is asking us to correctly identify him. This is the question that inspects the very foundation of the Christian faith. If we do not know who the real Jesus is, then we can not be saved. We can not get to the true Heaven with a false Jesus. The real Jesus of the Bible is the true foundation (rock) of the Christian faith. He is the rock of salvation. Even Peter claimed that Jesus is the rock, the cornerstone that the builders rejected (Acts 4:10 & 1 Peter 2:1-6). Paul says, “For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ... ‘the rock was Christ.’”(1 Cor. 3:11 &10:4).

The Roman Catholic Church claims that Peter is the rock that the church is built on. They say that Peter is the first Pope who stands in the place of Christ. This position is known as the Vicar of Christ. This is the lineage through which the present Pope receives his authority. Today, the Pope is still the rock that the Roman Catholic Church is built on. The Roman Catholic Church declares. “...that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff [Pope].” (Pope Boniface VIII, 1302 AD in an ex cathedra in his Bull Unum Sanctum). Pope Pius IX said about himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life”. By the office of the Pope, the Roman Catholic Church denies Jesus his rightful place as the foundation of the true church.

mtc dot org


^^^
Pope Pius IX said that "he" is the way the truth and the life,
talk about a son of satan
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 5:16am On Oct 20, 2017
johnw74:


the whole world follow satan,
the whole world is all but true Christians,
true Christians are not of the world,
you bb are, and you follow satan the devil

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

satan is the god of this world
bb, he is the god who has blinded you:

2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

bb, satan is your father and your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you never answer question...you just dey spill hate...come are you sure you are a Christian or just some dude who reads the bible to spite Christians?

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Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 5:18am On Oct 20, 2017
johnw74:


truly oh blinded one, revelations woman of abominations is the rcc

dis your line is it what you use to keep your congregation in check?
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by blackbriar: 5:19am On Oct 20, 2017
johnw74:


ha ha, bb you dont even know what your satanic church teaches cheesy

you just continue in your lies, taking after your god, and saying anything

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


some proof for you bb about rc's believing salvation is more than just faith in Jesus Christ:

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism


Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.

In light of all of this, I've written three interrelated articles:

Part 1, Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 2, Maintaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 3, Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
See also, Summary of process of salvation in Roman Catholicism


Attaining Salvation, Part 1 of 3
Actual grace

Actual Grace is the first step in the process of attaining salvation in Roman Catholicism. Actual grace is what God gives to a person to enable the person to seek and respond to God’s call of faith. It helps the person move towards God--where he then freely chooses to accept or reject God’s work in Christ.

Actual grace is “A supernatural help of God for salutary [beneficial] acts granted in consideration of the merits of Christ,” (Catholic Encyclopedia, “Actual Grace”).
"Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God's call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God's interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, herein referred to as CCC, par. 2000).

With actual grace working on a person, he is then able to have faith which is necessary for salvation. But this faith is not a simple faith in Christ's work on the cross, so that we are justified by faith alone in Christ's work alone (Rom. 4:5; 5:1; Gal. 2:16). On the contrary, according to Catholicism, the faith that is necessary for salvation must be a faith that also affirms what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

"Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: ‘He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.’ (Mk 16:16),” (CCC 183).
“Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself," (CCC 1814).
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).

Baptism

Once actual grace has done its work and the person believes the gospel (and in the Roman Catholic Church), baptism is a necessary element for salvation in Roman Catholicism. It is where sins are removed and a person is justified before God.

". . . Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that 'we too might walk in newness of life,'" (CCC 977).
“Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude . . . " (CCC 1257).
"Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. It has for its goal the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life. It is the most excellent work of God's mercy," (CCC 2020).

At baptism, a person is restored to a state of innocence before God by erasing original sin. Justification occurs in baptism, and sanctifying grace (the grace that saves) is infused into him.

“Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin . . . " (CCC 405).
“Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy,” (CCC 1992).
“The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism,” (CCC 1999).


please what is baptism and at this point i have to ask are you even a christian?
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 5:25am On Oct 20, 2017
blackbriar:


you never answer question...you just dey spill hate...come are you sure you are a Christian or just some dude who reads the bible to spite Christians?

bb, you call the truth hate, but i already know you do, and i have already told you that
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 5:27am On Oct 20, 2017
blackbriar:


dis your line is it what you use to keep your congregation in check?

what rubbish you talk, but then you have nothing else
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 5:28am On Oct 20, 2017
blackbriar:


please what is baptism and at this point i have to ask are you even a christian?

as before, all you have is garbage to say

i will tell you what baptism isn't,
it isn't the sprinkling of water on the forehead of a baby
who knows nothing about what is going on, and knows nothing about repentance and faith

nearly everything about the rcc is fake and goes against God's word,
satanic is what it is

i certainly am a Christian, that is why i believe God's word-the Bible,
you certainly are not a Christian, you worship deceased people and have idols of them
Re: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by johnw74: 5:43am On Oct 20, 2017
Jesus’ Body and Blood

Jesus said when he broke the bread that “this is my body which is given for you, do this in remembrance of me.” After the meal, he took the cup (of wine) and said, “this cup is the new testament in my blood” (Luke 22:19 & 20). As often as we do this, we proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes again. These are symbols of his body and blood just as when he said, “I am the door.” His body was not really made of wood with hinges and a latch. In the same way, the Passover feast was symbolic of the first Passover feast in Egypt where the blood of the Lambs saved the first-born of the Jews in bondage in Egypt. The bread and wine are symbols of Jesus, our Passover Lamb.

However, the Catholic Church says that the bread is actually the real body of Jesus. After the priest blesses the bread (wafer), he raises it up before the congregation and says, “Behold, the lamb of God”. When he gives it to the members he says, “The body of Christ.” Catholicism teaches that “the Eucharist is a sacrament which really, truly, and substantially contains the body and blood, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ under the appearances of bread and wine. It is the great sacrament of God’s love in which Christ is eaten, the mind is filled with grace, and a pledge is given to us of future glory.” (Question & Answer Catholic Catechism #1214). “The Eucharist is necessary for salvation.” (Q&A Catechism, #1217).

True Catholics believe that when you eat the bread and drink the wine you are actually eating Jesus’ flesh and drinking his blood, even though it tastes like bread and wine. The Roman Catholic Church uses the word “transubstantiation,” which refers to the communion bread and wine turning into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus when blessed by the Catholic Father (Q&A, #1224). “Christ is present in the Eucharist not only with everything that makes him a man, but with all that makes him this human being. He is therefore present with all his physical properties, hands and feet and head and human heart. He is present with his human soul, with his thoughts, desires, and human affections.” (Q&A, #1223). The Roman Catholic Church proclaims that its members are literally eating their Jesus.

Because of this false interpretation of the scriptures, the Catholic Church is encouraging false, idol worship of these inanimate objects. The Roman Catholic Church sets up inanimate objects (the bread and wine) as objects of worship and adoration. Because they worship and adore these objects they qualify as idols. Since Jesus said, “I am the door,” and “I am the true vine,” this most holy Catholic sacrament is the same as worshipping a door or a vine as if it were Jesus himself.

The Jesus of the Roman Catholic Church is a dead victim (an idol) who is sacrificed on their altar and eaten by true Catholics at masses world wide. Thus, Jesus’ work of salvation was not finished on the cross, but is an ongoing work of sacrifice on their altars. The Jesus of the Bible declared his work of atonement to be completed on the cross: “It is Finished!” (John 19:30). Jesus gave his life as a sacrifice for sins, offering his body once for all (Hebrews 10:10-12). The real Jesus is no longer hanging dead on the cross but was resurrected from death to life. Because he has eternal life, he can never be sacrificed or die again (Romans 6:9-10). The real Jesus can not be eaten. Because the Roman Catholic Church is eating their Jesus, they have identified and are following a phony Jesus.

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