justwise:


Yes and you need to stop doing that knowingly/unknowingly for companies or individuals.

You deleted my response too.
But this is not fair now. I haven't even digested the info. Is this thread not meant to help people in need.

If you claim companies/individuals pay to put up adverts on nairaland. Please can you direct me to an advert regarding accommodation near HNWMC.

Anu18:


You deleted my response too.
But this is not fair now. I haven't even digested the info. Is this thread not meant to help people in need.

If you claim companies/individuals pay to put up adverts on nairaland. Please can you direct me to an advert regarding accommodation near HNWMC.

Its not my job or part of my responsibilities here to feed you with info, some of those companies mentioned in that post used to place an ad here then they stopped and started using members here to get clients for them.

A simply google search will give you list of accommodations close to the hospital you want to use.

People, we need to be on our best behaviour on this thread oo! If you know you know. FBI things.

Pay your bills in full, make solid accommodation arrangements, disclose your intentions to both VO and POE, and so on.

Leave American chance for Baby Anon 3 when the time comes

Please house people that have had their babies im houston how early did they start processing their LO passport cos i want to get it done before jan first week

@Justwise. If name of hotels that render accommodation services mentioned here is adjudged by you to be form of advert. Kindly tell me if HNWMC and name of other hospitals mentioned on this thread are advert or not. Have you ever delete post that contain hospital names?

justwise:
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Its not my job or part of my responsibilities here to feed you with info, some of those companies mentioned in that post used to place an ad here then they stopped and started using members here to get clients for them.

A simply google search will give you list of accommodations close to the hospital you want to use.

Please I want to find out if:

1. You declared at Interview that you knew someone in the US or would be staying with someone.

2. If your excess cash of 10k was declared prior to boarding.

brooklyn20:
So I came in through Houston Poe on 23rd november (exactly a week ago) .i've been lazy to type my Poe experience.

Got my visit visa last year and used it for vacation both I hubby and toddler.got pregnant this year and decided to give birth with it.wrote the embassy and also got correspondence from hnwmc,Dr xydas.
Ever since we decided to go give birth in the us ,I've been praying about my journey to the us ,my stay , delivery etc and everything has been smooth so far and it will till the end by God's grace.

hubbys friend helped us to get accommodation with an American woman (May God bless her ,she's nice and sweet ,her kids are lovely too). And the accommodation came with transportation and feeding. She even said there's a spare Car for me to drive if I wanted to( fear no go fit let me drive for america) .

Back to the Poe story.

I and my toddler came in with Qatar airline.sent my medif form and cert. like 7days to travelled date. Hubby was at the airport some days later and went to ask if it was approved and they said it was ( travelled at 33 weeks 4days) . Also went with fit to fly from my doctor also did medical examination at d airport. Journey was smooth ,got to Doha and got airport accommodation , had my bath and had a good sleep.

From Doha to us was not bad too. I had a roll to my Self so I was able to sleep and stretch my legs. The air hostess kept asking if I was okay and needed anything. Also bringing chocolate ,sweet and snacks for my son .i applied to use a wheel chair but didn't eventually use it ,

At Houston there was a long que , I joined the que ,when it was almost my turn my son started shouting that he wanted to pee. I was allowed to take him to the toilet then come straight to the front.

Me: Good afternoon
Cbp: what are u here for?
Me: to have my baby
Cbp:How long will you be staying
Me: *****
Cbp:How much do you have on you
Me: ****** (more than $10k)
Cbp: I'll have to send you to secondary inspection cos I can't count your money here) .
Me: ok

He called some to come take me there. I waited for a while ,then I was called

Cbp: how much did u come in with
Me:****?
Let me see,she didn't count it
Cbp: what's the name of d hospital u are using?
Me: told her
Cbp:How did u get the cash
Me:Told her some from pta and d rest from beaut De change
Cbp: where will u be staying
Me : told her my host name and her address (she typed it on the system) and asked how much I'm paying her.
Cbp: do you have a credit card on you.me: yes
Cbp: make sure u pay all your bills and get the receipt and always take it along when travelling or else your visa will be cancelled .
Then she stood up and said follow me. She took me to an escalator and asked me to go down to Agric.
Went there and my bags were brought to me , it was scanned and my chicken nooddles was seized but every other food made it ,came in with all kinds of naija food.
Waiting for my first appointment tomorrow.

Oluwadamilola89:
A big shout out to all those who have contributed greatly to the forum. Been a silent reader of this forum since 2weeks now. I have read and gained so much as I got to know of letter of intent etc which I had no idea of in the past. I will like to find out is it possible for one to be pregnant and get to find out close to 4th month. No pregnancy signs, not even in any way looking pregnant as stomach is as flat as a piece of slice bread. I have Google's search and I saw so many replies stating the possibilities. I even read a. Particular which states 1 in 450women don't know they are pregnant till 5month while 1 in about 1,000 don't know why they are pregnant till they are due for labor. Am a bit confused though doctor says all is fine, scan results reveal baby is doing well . Now I want to apply strictly for B2 (childbirth) next year as EDD is May. Informed my sis last week and she's already helping me with getting a correspondence and cost of child birth in Indiana as that's her base.
Now the issue is?

How do I present my case to the VO as I didn't know I was pregnant initially? (Or say it's to my advantage the visa wasn't granted as am not even ready to go tru the change of intent,poe and renewal denials palava)......

When do you advise I schedule a visa interview appointment?( though am thinking of picking a date late Jan or early Feb) more so I need your contributions what went wrong when I went for my b1b2 visa interview on 9th Nov, location was Abuja but was declined, Here goes my transcript:

VO: Good morning. passports pls ( me hands it over to him.) your occupation?

Me: Am a French language instructor at xxxxxy, Im also a co-presenter a French program on radio Unilag 103.1fm, holds on Saturday's 12noon-12:30pm and I also own a business where I supply stationeries in wholesales and retails (sponsor on my DS160form is hubby)
VO: have you travelled out of the country before?

Me: yes . Travelled to Benin republic almost on a yearly basis on excursion almost on a yearly basis with KY students.

VO: OK. why are you going to the US?
Me: to attend my elder sister's graduation ceremony at xxxxxxxxx

VO: how long to you intend to stay in US?

Me : one week so I can quickly return to prepare my students for this year's first trimester examination.

VO: Your sisters status in the USA?

Me: LPR. She met her blhubby while schooling and they got married.

VO: so how long has she been in the USA?

Me: 5 yrs

VO: Does that mean she's been studying nursing for 5years?

Me: I said no, that she studied another course before moving to nursing

VO: which course?

Me: Mathematics

VO: any correlation between nursing and maths... ( him thinking and trying to figure out) ....hmmmmm OK. Do you have any child/ children?

Me : No I don't

VO: Are you expecting any?

Me : Non for now but hubby and I are hoping to have one soon.

VO: Am sorry your visa can't be approved at this time. (then he hands me a pink copy section 214b stating reason for the rejection )
Na so I carry my file waka was so sad....

Biko make una forgive my long post but I just have to explain my situation clearly. Im earnestly looking forward to your replies to my case oo.......

You're young, no kids. Your sister went to the US and got married there... what's to suggest to the VO that you are not planning to do the same? Now that you're pregnant i think you should have a better shot - just my opinion, which may be wrong. But there's no harm in trying again.

@Everyone Please I need someone to help with a direct contact of a Doctor DW can use(my email is bluemoon1759@yahoo.com)in St.Louis Missouri....please a doctor you have tried , what is it like to fly Delta Airline and experience with POE in Atlanta?......my people please I need una help for info...

Weperwema:
@Everyone Please I need someone to help with a direct contact of a Doctor DW can use(my email is bluemoon1759@yahoo.com)in St.Louis Missouri....please a doctor you have tried , what is it like to fly Delta Airline and experience with POE in Atlanta?......my people please I need una help for info...

Sorry, can't help you with Doctors in Missouri.
Atlanta Poe is okay,if you do your home work ie, you arm your self with the necessary burden of proof.

Atlanta POE was smooth for me in 2015, l was only asked for my length of stay and cash at hand, No secondary inspection, no agric. You can search for recent entry as well.

Weperwema:
@Everyone Please I need someone to help with a direct contact of a Doctor DW can use(my email is bluemoon1759@yahoo.com)in St.Louis Missouri....please a doctor you have tried , what is it like to fly Delta Airline and experience with POE in Atlanta?......my people please I need una help for info...

Hello everyone, thumbs up to all the folks making this thread awesome. Pls I have a question, I have used my B1/B2 visa a couple of times for vacation and at no time did I spend more than 3 weeks. Now I am pregnant and hubby already gave me $9,000 for the trip. Plan on travelling in February, we have correspondence with the doctor but deep down I really want to try water birth experience as I have had 2 kids virginally without any complications. My question is: I hear using a birthing centre is a red flag, how true this is? We just want our last baby to have a dual citizenship and this intent I will disclose at the POE. Thanks for your response in advance.

Osinowoosibanjo:
Good day sir and mamas in the house, pls i need correspondence contact of hospitals or doctor in Ohio toledo.

My email is osinowoosibanjo@yahoo.com.

Thank you.

You can also add your phone number and address so that people on the thread can call you or visit you to drop the information you seek

wow!! Somebody woke up on a good side today, This is the nicest reply i have ever read from this Uncle!!!

TWoods:


You're young, no kids. Your sister went to the US and got married there... what's to suggest to the VO that you are not planning to do the same? Now that you're pregnant i think you should have a better shot - just my opinion, which may be wrong. But there's no harm in trying again.

So excited to finally share my POE experience!!!

i got my Visa in April last year, hubby and i had planned a vacation but we ended up not going, i went to the Uk instead. Fast forward to June this year, i found out i was pregnant nd decided i was still going to have my baby in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Sent the infamous intent letter to the embassy and got the generic reply. Doctor and hospital sorted. Cash sorted. We planned a week babymoon at South beach miami, so we had Hotel reservation sorted aswell. so moving on....

Had to fly Air peace to Lagos and was asked for my fit to fly both at Check in and boarding luckily i was just a few days passed 27weeks and their limit is 28weeks so basically i was good to fly.

Air France on the other hand didnt ask for Fit to fly from Lagos -paris - Miami.

Got to Miami and the CBP uncle just read through our landing Card and asked if our cash was in Naira, and my hubby said yes, and he stamped my husband in for 6months, and was stamping my passport when i coded my hubby to tell the guy what we were her for:

DH: i will be here for 2weeks while my wife will be here for a few months.
CBP: No problem!!

sent us away with a lady to cash declaration:

CBP: hello, there..what are you here for??
DH: Vacation and my wife will stay back to have our baby
CBP: oh wow!! congratulations ma'am!!
me: Thank you!!
CBP: so what do you do??
DH: i am a pilot!!
CBP: Get out of here!! who do you work for??
DH: *****
CBP: so fill this form....
CBP: ok let me see the cash...

After DH shows him the money, he joked about it being monopoly money, we all laughed and said our goodbyes.

SHIKENA!!!! I am in the Hotel now cooling my 'swollen' heels...

So grateful to God for the amazing journey, i was really worried about the VISA issue and how much the change of intent letter was either going to make or break my Journey but i daresay my POE experience was a BREEZE!!

Unfelt:
wow!! Somebody woke up on a good side today, This is the nicest reply i have ever read from this Uncle!!!

Here we go again..

Aunti his post is nice simply because he said what you want to hear.

oh well!!

justwise:


Here we go again..

Aunti his post is nice simply because he said what you want to hear.

Hello sis
Pls can I get contact or website of the hospital you used at Marietta Georgia as I have a free accommodation offer there and would like to compare with my paid accommodation options in Houston to enable me make an informed cost decision Pls
Iwuoha.samuels@yahoo.com
Thanks so much

Unfelt:


So grateful to God for the amazing journey, i was really worried about the VISA issue and how much the change of intent letter was either going to make or break my Journey but i daresay my POE experience was a BREEZE!!

As the VOs have told us here time and time again, the change of intent letter is not read and not associated with your application, so CBP never got it and never read it. Your concern should be on renewing your current visa when it expires. I would wager you will not be able to simply renew by dropbox.

TWoods:

The rest of us don't get the luxury of demanding "discounts". The number 1 cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills... how is it you get discounts and the rest of us don't? If YOU were in the shoes of the average American, would you be as kind?

Does the average American have the 5000 - 8000 USD to pay [/b]in advance[b] and [/b]cash[b] that most of the people on this thread pay?

If I am giving you my money at once and in advance, there's a price for that. I think that's the justification for the discount.

If you notice, most of the discount packages have a time frame attached to it. Sometimes you have to pay up to a month in advance, or at least before discharge. And when you don't, the offer lapses and you have to pay the full price.

honeychild:


Does the average American have the 5000 - 8000 USD to pay [/b]in advance[b] and [/b]cash[b] that most of the people on this thread pay?

If I am giving you my money at once and in advance, there's a price for that. I think that's the justification for the discount.

If you notice, most of the discount packages have a time frame attached to it. Sometimes you have to pay up to a month in advance, or at least before discharge. And when you don't, the offer lapses and you have to pay the full price.

That is not really true. Many Americans would more than happily pay cash if this was a option, with huge discounts. It is true that some discounts are due to the fact that you're paying in cash, however these are most likely not the norm. It is more likely that you get discounts because these hospitals are in low income areas that are already paid by the Feds to subsidize care for the poor. It is a lot easier to give you a discount and then bill Medicaid at the end of the year than have hundreds on payment plans that most are not expected to honor.

It is not a discount if you're paying $5000 for a procedure that costs the average American over $20,000.

TWoods:


That is not really true. Many Americans would more than happily pay cash if this was a option, with huge discounts. I.

Lol. I have a huge network of extended family in the US - siblings, in-laws, cousins in every part of the country. Most citizens. All hustling their butts off and living from pay check to pay check. Some college educated some not.

Not one of them can or will even dream of paying the cash sums Nigerians pay. Abeg leave story.

And if it's true that the hospitals actually pass the bills on to the govt, I still don't think the people on this thread are the right target for your venom.

You have been here long enough to know that most people on this thread are not your average Nigerian and actually want to do what's right.

honeychild:


Lol. I have a huge network of extended family in the US - siblings, in-laws, cousins in every part of the country. Most citizens. All hustling their butts off and living from pay check to pay check. Some college educated some not.

Not one of them can or will even dream of paying the cash sums Nigerians pay. Abeg leave story.

And if it's true that the hospitals actually pass the bills on to the govt, I still don't think the people on this thread are the right target for your venom.

You have been here long enough to know that most people on this thread are not your average Nigerian and actually want to do what's right.

That is far from the truth. The only reason is because they now know that not doing what is right has a severe impact on their continued ability to renew their visas. Remove that incentive and most Nigerians will try to find ways to lie and cheat.

Secondly, your "network of extended family" is not representative of the average American experience. I have no idea what they do but i would comfortably pay $5000 cash for a medical procedure if that was an option. Not all of us live paycheck to paycheck. I daresay the case is the same for a lot of middle class to upper middle class Americans.

TWoods:


It is true that some discounts are due to the fact that you're paying in cash, however these are most likely not the norm. It is more likely that you get discounts because these hospitals are in low income areas that are already paid by the Feds to subsidize care for the poor. It is a lot easier to give you a discount and then bill Medicaid at the end of the year than have hundreds on payment plans that most are not expected to honor.

TWoods:


That is far from the truth. The only reason is because they now know that not doing what is right has a severe impact on their continued ability to renew their visas. Remove that incentive and most Nigerians will try to find ways to lie and cheat.

@TWoods...may i make 2 points real quick....I've been giving it alot of thought and I think:

1) humans as a specie are intrinsically "not good" except when we have been saved from our "evil" ways...so regarding your characterisation of Nigerians as liars and cheats....we are...no doubt about it....my argument would be that we are not alone...the only reason other nationals seem to "behave" is because their countries have consequences for bad behaviour. That's why a British man who lives in Nigeria will likely go on a one way road, though he would never dare to do it in Knightsbridge!!! We are not the worst of the human race...our laws are just not being enforced...this would also explain why emigrants like you would appear to be good....you're just in a climate where not wearing your seatbelt atttacts a $100 fine!!! You may argue that the lack of law enforcement is itself an indication of our "badness"...i leave that argument about institutions for another day....i would say though that institutions are not built in a day....the great USA of today had a wild wild west history

2) also if Nigerians are so terrible and Americans are so great then why are the hospitals you imply are passing off discounts as Medicaid not being checked out......are they not breaking the rules by so doing.
..ignorance is not an excuse.... they cannot claim to not know who's are resident and who isn't. Surely they are ways to check!

And one last point...sorry..i know I said 2. I don't know how much of a discount constitutes Medicaid fraud but I live in Lagos and use medical insurance from a reputable company at a reputable hospital and my bills if I pay cash are almost 50% of what it is when I just sign off for insurance to pick up..explanation i was given
..... because of the delay in receiving funds from the insurance company and the likelihood of insurance to decline some payments...arguments about pre-existing conditions etc....i would imagine the process in the U.S. would even be more challenging as they have so many no insurance companies......

mamaron:




@TWoods...may i make 2 points real quick....I've been giving it alot of thought and I think:

1) humans as a specie are intrinsically "not good" except when we have been saved from our "evil" ways...so regarding your characterisation of Nigerians as liars and cheats....we are...no doubt about it....my argument would be that we are not alone...the only reason other nationals seem to "behave" is because their countries have consequences for bad behaviour. That's why a British man who lives in Nigeria will likely go on a one way road, though he would never dare to do it in Knightsbridge!!! We are not the worst of the human race...our laws are just not being enforced...this would also explain why emigrants like you would appear to be good....you're just in a climate where not wearing your seatbelt atttacts a $100 fine!!! You may argue that the lack of law enforcement is itself an indication of our "badness"...i leave that argument about institutions for another day....i would say though that institutions are not built in a day....the great USA of today had a wild wild west history

2) also if Nigerians are so terrible and Americans are so great then why are the hospitals you imply are passing off discounts as Medicaid not being checked out......are they not breaking the rules by so doing.
..ignorance is not an excuse.... they cannot claim to not know who's are resident and who isn't. Surely they are ways to check!

And one last point...sorry..i know I said 2. I don't know how much of a discount constitutes Medicaid fraud but I live in Lagos and use medical insurance from a reputable company at a reputable hospital and my bills if I pay cash are almost 50% of what it is when I just sign off for insurance to pick up..explanation i was given
..... because of the delay in receiving funds from the insurance company and the likelihood of insurance to decline some payments...arguments about pre-existing conditions etc....i would imagine the process in the U.S. would even be more challenging as they have so many no insurance companies......

Interestingly, i did agree with many of the things you have said, but there are some i would push back on a bit.

1. I left Nigeria precisely because i felt it no longer represented who i was. I am a stickler for law and order, i do not ever give bribes as i thought it made no sense since i should not be giving you a monetary incentive to do a job you're being paid for. No, i don't appear good because i live in a country of laws. I made the choice to move here because i prefered to live among people who stick to the rules. If Nigeria ever got to that point, i'll be first on a flight back.

2. Institutions are not built in a day, but the experience of China, South Korea, Japan, Ghana and South Africa, tells me that time isn't our problem. We just do not want to change.

3. "Surely there are ways to check" is a terrible excuse. America is a huge country, not every detail is checked... least because you are expected to do the right thing at all times, without having to be policed. No one checks if i put my thrash in the bush outside my house, but i don't do that, simply because it is wrong. I wear seatbelts, not because i am afraid of a fine (who is checking anyway?) but because i value my life and the added safety using a seatbelt offers. Hospitals are not immigration offices, it is not their duty to check your immigration status before treating you. In some states i think there is actually a law against them doing this. It is your duty to clearly specify that you are not entitled to government funds for your medical care. That they don't check should not be an excuse.

4. Medicare and medicaid fraud is a huge problem here. As i mentioned before, it is true that you will get a discount for paying in cash over using medical insurance... but a lot of the time, the discount isn't because you paid cash. It's because the hospital you use can simply bill the feds for healthcare provided to you. It's big business and makes them a ton of money. Why do you think they come here looking for patients? Do you think it's because they've run out of pregnant Americans here?

Your points are just spot on......

Was about saying the same things.


Maybe @Twood will try and add some adjectives to the reference to Nigerians..i.e some Nigerians or many Nigerian and not just blind generalisation cos I know and believe not ALL are corrupt and criminally minded as you think.

mamaron:




@TWoods...may i make 2 points real quick....I've been giving it alot of thought and I think:

1) humans as a specie are intrinsically "not good" except when we have been saved from our "evil" ways...so regarding your characterisation of Nigerians as liars and cheats....we are...no doubt about it....my argument would be that we are not alone...the only reason other nationals seem to "behave" is because their countries have consequences for bad behaviour. That's why a British man who lives in Nigeria will likely go on a one way road, though he would never dare to do it in Knightsbridge!!! We are not the worst of the human race...our laws are just not being enforced...this would also explain why emigrants like you would appear to be good....you're just in a climate where not wearing your seatbelt atttacts a $100 fine!!! You may argue that the lack of law enforcement is itself an indication of our "badness"...i leave that argument about institutions for another day....i would say though that institutions are not built in a day....the great USA of today had a wild wild west history

2) also if Nigerians are so terrible and Americans are so great then why are the hospitals you imply are passing off discounts as Medicaid not being checked out......are they not breaking the rules by so doing.
..ignorance is not an excuse.... they cannot claim to not know who's are resident and who isn't. Surely they are ways to check!

And one last point...sorry..i know I said 2. I don't know how much of a discount constitutes Medicaid fraud but I live in Lagos and use medical insurance from a reputable company at a reputable hospital and my bills if I pay cash are almost 50% of what it is when I just sign off for insurance to pick up..explanation i was given
..... because of the delay in receiving funds from the insurance company and the likelihood of insurance to decline some payments...arguments about pre-existing conditions etc....i would imagine the process in the U.S. would even be more challenging as they have so many no insurance companies......

mamaron:


And one last point...sorry..i know I said 2. I don't know how much of a discount constitutes Medicaid fraud but I live in Lagos and use medical insurance from a reputable company at a reputable hospital and my bills if I pay cash are almost 50% of what it is when I just sign off for insurance to pick up..explanation i was given
..... because of the delay in receiving funds from the insurance company and the likelihood of insurance to decline some payments...arguments about pre-existing conditions etc....i would imagine the process in the U.S. would even be more challenging as they have so many no insurance companies......

Gbam. Leave all these Americans with their credit card funded, debt ridden lifestyles who dont know how much value cash in hand is to any business.

Bcpump:

You can also add your phone number and address so that people on the thread can call you or visit you to drop the information you seek

And collect the money you have gathered for this birthing trip at gun point. You people are not smiling

honeychild:


Gbam. Leave all these Americans with their credit card funded, debt ridden lifestyles who dont know how much value cash in hand is to any business.

Which is probably why you would give an arm and a leg to give your child a passport to their lifestyles right? the truth is for all it's worth, this thread represents less than 0.1% of Nigerians. 99% cannot afford $5000 and live far worse than the average poor American. I would not be far off in saying that the vast majority of Nigerians who can comfortably afford $5000 cannot boast of earning that money legitimately. I think the Americans are just fine with their "credit card funded, debt ridden lifestyles". As the VOs have said here time without number, you are free to exclude you and yours from their lifestyles. Last i checked, they are not looking to trade it in for Nigeria.

Me I'm only here looking for more gist on madam rayray