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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:53pm On Dec 14, 2017
elampiro:

Ronaldinho

This is a very big lie

In 2005/06 Ronaldinho was top assist provider bth in La Liga and in the CL. He was 3rd highest goal scorer in the La Liga 2006 and 2007. At the twilight of his career Ronaldinho was top assist provider in the Serie A. Please which year has Hidden hazard ever been top assist provider either in the league or in the CL

So its a blatant lie to say Ronaldinho was not noted for his goals and assists when multiple times he either topped the chart or was close to the top of the scorers chart despite not being a 9
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:54pm On Dec 14, 2017
BlueAngel444:
This has just murdered EVERYTHING Dayo NOISES about.

cheesy

You think its that easy, every of my opinions have been passed through rigorous stats check. Thats why those I gave assignment on Hazard in Mourinho system have not been able to return
Those I gave Mata before Mourinho vs David Silva have not been able to return
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:56pm On Dec 14, 2017
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:07pm On Dec 14, 2017
Lana1:
Says the guy who's team is currently 7th and flirting with Europa league.

grin grin
undecided no be ur fault
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by adebayo201: 2:15pm On Dec 14, 2017
kokaneprodigy:
undecided no be ur fault
feel what we felt last swason... it's not easy to play on thursday cold night and still play on saturday evening...

but e pain you no be small.
cheesy

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 2:31pm On Dec 14, 2017
Someone said Mata has never been better than Silva. Hmmm, is that really true or is Mata just underrated

Mata from 2011 - 2017 has played 560+ mins less than Silva in the same time frame and while Silva has 35gls and 57assists, Mata has 45gls and 43assists. That is 92 to 88, 4 less than Silva. shocked
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:31pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


This is a very big lie

In 2005/06 Ronaldinho was top assist provider bth in La Liga and in the CL. He was 3rd highest goal scorer in the La Liga 2006 and 2007. At the twilight of his career Ronaldinho was top assist provider in the Serie A. Please which year has Hidden hazard ever been top assist provider either in the league or in the CL

So its a blatant lie to say Ronaldinho was not noted for his goals and assists when multiple times he either topped the chart or was close to the top of the scorers chart despite not being a 9

Do you pay attention to details at all?

Please go back and read what I wrote. This time do it patiently. After you have observed your mistakes, we can talk.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 2:34pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


This is a very big lie

In 2005/06 Ronaldinho was top assist provider bth in La Liga and in the CL. He was 3rd highest goal scorer in the La Liga 2006 and 2007. At the twilight of his career Ronaldinho was top assist provider in the Serie A. Please which year has Hidden hazard ever been top assist provider either in the league or in the CL

So its a blatant lie to say Ronaldinho was not noted for his goals and assists when multiple times he either topped the chart or was close to the top of the scorers chart despite not being a 9
This one your not stating the exact figures, it's very suspicious shocked.

I bet Hazard as a winger still has better stats than Ronaldinho at similiar age range. wink

So have you abandon Iniedo and co and moved to Ronaldinho.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:38pm On Dec 14, 2017
adebayo201:
feel what we felt last swason... it's not easy to play on thursday cold night and still play on saturday evening...

but e pain you no be small.
cheesy
gerarahia b4 I count to 2
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:39pm On Dec 14, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Someone said Mata has never been better than Silva. Hmmm, is that really true or is Mata just underrated

Mata from 2011 - 2017 has played 560+ mins less than Silva in the same time frame and while Silva has 35gls and 57assists, Mata has 45gls and 43assists. That is 92 to 88, 4 less than Silva. shocked

Do you see when I said I deal with stats and what stats reveal. Before Mata met Mourinho he was about the same level as Silva,If Mourinho had walked into Silvas life, he would have been benching him for Fellaini now
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:41pm On Dec 14, 2017
elampiro:
Do you pay attention to details at all?

Please go back and read what I wrote. This time do it patiently. After you have observed your mistakes, we can talk.

I read everything you posted

Your response to my question Tomorrow show me any highly rated attacker who isnt known for his number of goals nor assist rather for running around creating space

Is Ronaldinho. The same ROnaldinho who topped assist charts in CL, La Liga and Serie A, is your attacker who isnt known for goals or assists?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:42pm On Dec 14, 2017
BlueAngel444:
This has just murdered EVERYTHING Dayo NOISES about.

cheesy

He has now met someone who will discuss those his noise in details, and bring him to quietness.

Look at the way he hurried to reply me without reading my response. Ronaldinho won those awards in 2004 and 2005. But Raumdeuter is bringing some other years he didn't win the awards. Again, Ronaldinho was never a great goal scorer. In 2004, he was poor in goals and assists. In 2005 he was poor in goals, but tried in Assist, even though he was joint second with Lampard among players of top ten leagues. But Lampard beat him in goals.

Dayo is bringing 2006, 2007, 2008 when Ronaldinho did not win those awards. I have already succeeded in stating that highest goals and Assist are not the criteria for determining world best footballers. Who sabi play sabi play. Hazard sabi play ball.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:44pm On Dec 14, 2017
BlueAngel444:
This one your not stating the exact figures, it's very suspicious shocked.
I bet Hazard as a winger still has better stats than Ronaldinho at similiar age range. wink
So have you abandon Iniedo and co and moved to Ronaldinho.

WHich exact figures? Check if Ronaldinho was not top assist provider in the CL La Liga and Serie A

Hazard will be 27 in January, Ronaldinho was 27 in 2007. By then he has topped assist charts in CL, La Liga won the CL. Now compare that to Hazard

Abandn Iniesta? His stats speak for him
2010 world cup winning goal,
2011 top assist in the CL
2013 top assist in La Liga
2015 runner up assist maker in the CL

2009 assist in the CL final
2011 assist in the CL final
2015 assist in the CL final
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:44pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


I read everything you posted

Your response to my question Tomorrow show me any highly rated attacker who isnt known for his number of goals nor assist rather for running around creating space

Is Ronaldinho. The same ROnaldinho who topped assist charts in CL, La Liga and Serie A, is your attacker who isnt known for goals or assists?

He won FIFA best player in 2004. Tell me his number of goals. His number of Assists also vs other players.

He won FIFA player of the year and Ballon'dor in 2005, tell me his goals+Assists vs other players.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:47pm On Dec 14, 2017
elampiro:
He has now met someone who will discuss those his noise in details, and bring him to quietness.

Look at the way he hurried to reply me without reading my response. Ronaldinho won those awards in 2004 and 2005. But Raumdeuter is bringing some other years he didn't win the awards. Again, Ronaldinho was never a great goal scorer. In 2004, he was poor in goals and assists. In 2005 he was poor in goals, but tried in Assist, even though he was joint second with Lampard among players of top ten leagues. But Lampard beat him in goals.

Dayo is bringing 2006, 2007, 2008 when Ronaldinho did not win those awards. I have already succeeded in stating that highest goals and Assist are not the criteria for determining world best footballers. Who sabi play sabi play. Hazard sabi play ball.

My question was
Tomorrow show me any highly rated attacker who isnt known for his number of goals nor assist rather for running around creating space

You now went to show a man who was top assist giver in CL La Liga, 3rd top scorer in the La Liga, top scorer in Confed cup
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:47pm On Dec 14, 2017
elampiro:
He won FIFA best player in 2004. Tell me his number of goals. His number of Assists also vs other players.

He won FIFA player of the year and Ballon'dor in 2005, tell me his goals+Assists vs other players.

Rather tell us how a player who was top assist giver in the CL La Liga and Serie A was not known for his goal and assist
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 2:55pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


Rather tell us how a player who was top assist giver in the CL La Liga and Serie A was not known for his goal and assist
bros dihno was known for scintillating soccer.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Obere4u: 2:56pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


Iniesta was a midfielder who was top assister in the CL 2011, runner up in assist chart of CL 2015 top assister in La Liga 2011
Pappi what did iniesta do in euro finals 2012 that warrants the man of the match award? 4 goals and 4 assistser yet his name is not among

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:00pm On Dec 14, 2017
odizeey:
bros dihno was known for scintillating soccer.

Sintillating soccer which resulted in goals and assists. Ronaldinho was a very productive player and delivered plenty goals and assists

He got a standing ovation at Bernabeu for what? dribbling and scoring.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:02pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


Rather tell us how a player who was top assist giver in the CL La Liga and Serie A was not known for his goal and assist

1. The argument was that whether Hazard deserved his MOTM award. You said no, because he didn't give Assists or score. I countered you by telling you that you don't have to be topping/giving Assists or scoring to be the best in a match or the best player.

So I showed you where Ronaldinho won FIFA best player after coming far behind in goals and Assists.

2. So now, you tell me how a player who was poor in goals and assists in a particular period won FIFA player of the year in that period?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:03pm On Dec 14, 2017
Obere4u:

Pappi what did iniesta do in euro finals 2012 that warrants the man of the match award? 4 goals and 4 assistser yet his name is not among

What has Hazard ever done either in the CL EUro or world cup

Iniesta we know won the world cup scoring the winner
2011 top assist in the CL
2013 top assist in La Liga
2015 runner up assist maker in the CL

2009 assist in the CL final
2011 assist in the CL final
2015 assist in the CL final
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:14pm On Dec 14, 2017
elampiro:


1. The argument was that whether Hazard deserved his MOTM award. You said no, because he didn't give Assists or score. I countered you by telling you that you don't have to be topping/giving Assists or scoring to be the best in a match or the best player.

So I showed you where Ronaldinho won FIFA best player after coming far behind in goals and Assists.

2. So now, you tell me how a player who was poor in goals and assists in a particular period won FIFA player of the year in that period?

You are missing where I asked you a top attacking player who isnt known for his goals and assists

Then you mentioned Ronaldinho who topped CL La Liga Serie A assist charts was top scorer at Confed cup, 3rd top scorer in La Liga
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:38pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


You are missing where I asked you a top attacking player who isnt known for his goals and assists

Then you mentioned Ronaldinho who topped CL La Liga Serie A assist charts was top scorer at Confed cup, 3rd top scorer in La Liga

Mr man, this was not the basis of our argument.

Do attackers who didn't win Assists or Goals chart win best player or not?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:40pm On Dec 14, 2017
I don't even know Ronaldinho for Assists. I know him for his dribbling and great skills.

Na Fabregas, Lampard, Silva, Ozil, Di Maria, I know for Assists.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by hensben(m): 3:42pm On Dec 14, 2017
This raumdeuter na liar. We know Ronaldinho for his dazzling skills and not goals and number of assist.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:45pm On Dec 14, 2017
hensben:
This ramdeuter na liar. We know Ronaldinho for his dazzling skills and not goals and number of assist.

I have shown you Ronaldinho topping CL assist La Liga assist show us the same for Hidden topping EPL or CL assists. If Ronaldinho wasnt scoring or assiting he will be no different from Okocha

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:46pm On Dec 14, 2017
elampiro:
Mr man, this was not the basis of our argument.
Do attackers who didn't win Assists or Goals chart win best player or not?

No. What I asked you was a top attacker who wasnt noted for his assist or goals

Ronaldinho without his output will be another Okocha.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:48pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


Tomorrow show me any highly rated attacker who isnt known for his number of goals nor assist rather for running around creating space

elampiro this is it

I said azard doesnt have outpt of goals and assists, You said there are some attackers whose just is just to scatter and dribble and I asked you to provide any top player who wasnt known for goals and assist and you mentioned Ronaldinho a player who topped assist charts in CL La Liga and serie A
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:50pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


No. What I asked you was a top attacker who wasnt noted for his assist or goals

Ronaldinho without his output will be another Okocha.


What you asked me doesn't matter if it didn't address the genesis of our discussion. My breakdown shows Ronaldinho won FIFA player of the year without having good figures in goals or Assists.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Skimpledawg(m): 3:52pm On Dec 14, 2017
epa elampiro, domo cool
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 3:53pm On Dec 14, 2017
kokaneprodigy:
undecided no be ur fault
Eh...ehn....ok.
So was it ur own fault when u were shouting 6th FC last season??

Enjoy ur new found status coz even ur precious 4th is no longer sure.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:00pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:


Before some of you started following European football closely outside of your favorite clubs I have been following it and I followed Barcelona closely because of my hatred for Madrid

For those that didnt know, Ronaldinho was a wing forward in a 4-3-3 similar to what Robben Martial and co. Most of those you listed up there are strikers, Makaay, Henry, Berbatov Shevchenko etc were all top strikers Ronaldinho was never a top striker

In 2003/04 season Ronaldinho was injured and Barcelona sunk to around 11. Ronaldinho came back from injury mid december and scored 11 goals till season ended to push Barcelona from 11th to 2nd

In 2005 Ronaldinho was top scorer at the confederations cup the only FIFA tournament and won the FIFA awards

Now lets look for ROnaldinhos stats to see if he was dribbling for nothing

In 2005/06 Ronaldinho was top assist provider bth in La Liga and in the CL. He was 3rd highest goal scorer in the La Liga 2006 and 2007. At the twilight of his career Ronaldinho was top assist provider in the Serie A. Please which year has Hidden hazard ever been top assist provider either in the league or in the CL

So its a blatant lie to say Ronaldinho was not noted for his goals and assists when multiple times he either topped the chart or was close to the top of the scorers chart despite not being a 9

Hazard has been playing the CL for 6 seasons now he has 8 goals, ROnaldinho played the CL for 6 seasons won it and scored 18 goals total


Bros, na lie you dey talk here. Ronaldinho was not injured in the years I mentioned. He played far more minutes than players who scored or Assisted far higher than him in 2004.

He was also not injured in 2005.

If I have time, I will give you details

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