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Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 6:46am On Dec 18, 2017
Yeah! How do you know? You are a genius. They got me blocked repeatedly after each post. I really do not know how I break the regulation
salvation101:
Mr lovingjehova, i see d anti spambot is hiding ur post and maybe suspending u... Just send a mail to a Mod or supemod nd it would be resolved in less than an hour
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 7:07am On Dec 18, 2017
lovingJehovah:
Yeah! How do you know? You are a genius. They got me blocked repeatedly after each post. I really do not know how I break the regulation
u don't av to break any regulation. Its the spambot.. Wat u could do next time is simply to use the mail an mod option.. U will get unbanned in less than an hour except u were banned for breaking a rule though. But if its d spambot dat banned u, just mail an mod nd u will be unbanned
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 7:19am On Dec 18, 2017
Oh cool. I will try replying hope I don't get banned again. It was actually the spambot or whatever
salvation101:
u don't av to break any regulation. Its the spambot.. Wat u could do next time is simply to use the mail an mod option.. U will get unbanned in less than an hour except u were banned for breaking a rule though. But if its d spambot dat banned u, just mail an mod nd u will be unbanned
Re: Is Jesus God? by Predicarlo: 11:40am On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
Cheap lies u r telling again.
How can it be lies? It is documented history.
salvation101:
Two different kings are involved here nd u r making it seem like tyndale was killed so his work can be stolen
Henry III and James VI are from the SAME FAMILY, my dear. He could have called the Book Tyndale’s Translation. He took the glory so he must be the villain. He never condemned the action of his ancestor nor did he apologize to redeem Tyndale’s name. Up to this day, Tyndale is still referred to as a Heretic.
salvation101:
King Henry ordered foe the killing of tyndale in 1536 while king James approved the writing of tge king James version in 1604 wen he came into power after the death of Queen Elizabeth.
The mission was achieved for the family. That is why I asked you to squint to get my point. If someone killed a man and his great grand family member stole the work of the murdered man, the killing and stealing are complementary actions carried out against the victim by the family of the perpetrators. Murder and stealing are two evil acts that every Christian must condemn.
We do appreciate the KJV though but not the heretical texts inserted into it. What I am exposing here is as a result of your piety and tenacity to degrade us when our Bible has no bloodstain.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Predicarlo: 11:44am On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
If u don't believe in miracles den u r serving a dead god. How den are u better than an atheist? I'd rather not be a Christian dan serve a God i can pray to wen my head aches nd can be sure of a miracle..
Jehovah's witnesses actually believe in miracles but we do not believe in magic.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Predicarlo: 11:47am On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
Tyndales work at dat time was the only English version to av translated from the greek and Hebrew language so it was part of wat the committee used...
Isn’t it shameful that it took 55 man committee of puritans 7 years to copy and publish a work William Tyndale translated and printed in about 3 years. Yet, they made huge blunders (failure to see that they were exposing themselves by forgetting to erase the name JEHOVAH in some texts which became very useful for the Jehovah’s witnesses and including heretical texts into some verses of the KJ Bible e.g 1 John 5:7). It was 55 (acclaimed) puritans against 1 (blasphemed) Heretic. If you claim that the men are educated(the best puritans LOL), why were 55 educated puritans in the 1500’s not lettered in Greek, French, Latin or Hebrew to translate from the Latin Vulgate Bible or even Lefevre’s Bible in French? What sort of education did they acquire when Latin was the language of the elite? What is the use of their education when all they did was plagiarised Tyndale’s work, delete the name of God, JEHOVAH and then insert heretical texts in the Holy Scripture?
Re: Is Jesus God? by Predicarlo: 11:48am On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
Na wa for u oo. See how u tried to twist fact just to discredit the word of God. Like i once said, its typical of jws.
It is called history not twisting. Give your time to study and research not blogs. Bloggers will always make the story interesting for you because it is business for them. Read credible books!
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 11:57am On Dec 18, 2017
Predicarlo:
It is called history not twisting. Give your time to study and research not blogs. Bloggers will always make the story interesting for you because it is business for them. Read credible books!
really? Did the version i just told correspond with wat he said earlier? It is twisting. Or let me call it manipulation of facts
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 12:06pm On Dec 18, 2017
Predicarlo:
How can it be lies? It is documented history. Two different kings are involved here nd u r making it seem like tyndale was killed so his work can be stolen Henry III and James VI are from the SAME FAMILY, my dear. He could have called the Book Tyndale’s Translation. He took the glory so he must be the villain. He never condemned the action of his ancestor nor did he apologize to redeem Tyndale’s name. Up to this day, Tyndale is still referred to as a Heretic.
King Henry ordered foe the killing of tyndale in 1536 while king James approved the writing of tge king James version in 1604 wen he came into power after the death of Queen Elizabeth. The mission was achieved for the family. That is why I asked you to squint to get my point. If someone killed a man and his great grand family member stole the work of the murdered man, the killing and stealing are complementary actions carried out against the victim by the family of the perpetrators. Murder and stealing are two evil acts that every Christian must condemn.
We do appreciate the KJV though but not the heretical texts inserted into it. What I am exposing here is as a result of your piety and tenacity to degrade us when our Bible has no bloodstain.
those 55 scholars have more reputation than ur 5 unlearned man committee who juxtaposed ur doctrine into wat u call scriptures today.

U are still twisting fact. D same white men involved in slave trading stopped it but different generations. Do u now say the ppl who stopped it are guilty of wat their father did? Dats unfair and unscriptural. If u are an anfrican den definitely ur forefathers were involved in idolatry and other evils, does dat make u party with it?
Besides, the Bible was never king james idea but he was Democratic enough to allow the popular argument previal.. So stop twisting history to tally with ur narrative. U will be called out
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 12:08pm On Dec 18, 2017
Predicarlo:
Jehovah's witnesses actually believe in miracles but we do not believe in magic.
define wat u call miracle as opposed to magicin light of the scripture
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 12:35pm On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
those 55 scholars have more reputation than ur 5 unlearned man committee who juxtaposed ur doctrine into wat u call scriptures today.

U are still twisting fact. D same white men involved in slave trading stopped it but different generations. Do u now say the ppl who stopped it are guilty of wat their father did? Dats unfair and unscriptural. If u are an anfrican den definitely ur forefathers were involved in idolatry and other evils, does dat make u party with it?
Besides, the Bible was never king james idea but he was Democratic enough to allow the popular argument previal.. So stop twisting history to tally with ur narrative. U will be called out
Where were the 55 men when Tyndale was seeking permission to translate the Bible? Are they not the same people who denied that the Bible should be translated to English? Are they not the same people who sentenced an innocent man to death? Are they not the same people whose work was EDITED and RE-EDITED?
If my great-granny killed a man for his plot and I built a house on it when I had options, it makes me complicit. If I did it unknowingly, it would be counted as ignorance. But the difference was 70 years apart. So chances are that James was born about 30 years from when the heinous crime was committed. As a king, you expect that he was adequately briefed. So it was a family mission and it was duly accomplished. Are you not embarrassed that we are talking about bloodstain in a Bible that you claim to be the best?
The 5 men you are referring did not kill anyone or steal from anyone.

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 12:56pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
Where were the 55 men when Tyndale was seeking permission to translate the Bible? Are they not the same people who denied that the Bible should be translated to English? Are they not the same people who sentenced an innocent man to death? Are they not the same people whose work was EDITED and RE-EDITED?
If my great-granny killed a man for his plot and I build a house on it when I had options, it makes me complicit. If I did it unknowingly, it would be counted as ignorance. But the difference was 70 years apart. So chances are that James was born about 30 years from when the heinous crime was committed. As a king, you expect that he was adequately briefed. So it was a family mission and it was duly accomplished. Are you not embarrassed that we are talking about bloodstain in a Bible that you claim to be the best?
The 5 men you are referring did not kill anyone or steal from anyone.
You lie again and its becoming petty. If it was the family agenda, why didn't d king and Queen after Henry carry out d agenda? U said acknowledged that there was 70yrs between their reign, and now u claim dat it was the 55 men committee that betrayed Tyndale? So their age must av been in their hundreds according to u but i will need proof from you backing up ur claim..
Now u said ur 5 men committee was of Holy men grin cos dey didn't kill anyone, please provide proof to ur claim that king James, the Puritans and the 55 men committe had hands in the death of tyndale cos as far as i know, it was d same folks that argued before King James against the Puritans dat didn't want the Bible translated into English.
It was on record dat while Tyndale was being killed, he prayed dat God should open d eyes of the king of England. Don't u think dat prayer got answered in the life of King James?

Also, I will like to know if Wikipedia is an encyclopedia or a blog cos u keep repeating the word blog..

Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:08pm On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
define wat u call miracle as opposed to magicin light of the scripture
In the light of the scripture, it is clearly stated that the spiritual powers given to the apostles would cease. And, it actually did. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.
What we have now is faith, hope and love.

In 1 Timothy 5:23 Paul advised Timothy to take some wine for his frequent illness. If his understanding was that God would cure his headache then he would not have asked Timothy to seek herbs for a cure. He had good understanding of the word of God and he recommended herbs to Timothy. Of course we believe in miracles but the kind of healing that you seek is magical and unscriptural.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10. and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.
The scripture above states what you want as unrighteous deception. And only people who do not accept the love and truth wish for that.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Let the word of Jehovah pierce your soul and spirit and cleanse you of the need for powerful work and lying signs and wonders.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Maamin(m): 1:14pm On Dec 18, 2017
lovingJehovah:
Yeah! How do you know? You are a genius. They got me blocked repeatedly after each post. I really do not know how I break the regulation

Same thing happen to me on page 21 when I tried to post something it was deleted and I was banned.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:35pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
In the light of the scripture, it is clearly stated that the spiritual powers given to the apostles would cease. And, it actually did. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.
What we have now is faith, hope and love.

In 1 Timothy 5:23 Paul advised Timothy to take some wine for his frequent illness. If his understanding was that God would cure his headache then he would not have asked Timothy to seek herbs for a cure. He had good understanding of the word of God and he recommended herbs to Timothy. Of course we believe in miracles but the kind of healing that you seek is magical and unscriptural.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10. and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.
The scripture above states what you want as unrighteous deception. And only people who do not accept the love and truth wish for that.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Let the word of Jehovah pierce your soul and spirit and cleanse you of the need for powerful work and lying signs and wonders.

lol i simply asked u to differentiate btw miracle and magic and you are beating against the bush. Was it only the Apostles that performed miracle in the scriptures? Was Philip an Apostle was Jesus lying when he said in mark 11:23 that "or verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.", was Jesus talking to the apostles alone or to all who where listening? Was Apostle Paul one of those Jesus was referring to here? How come Apostle Paul who didn't know Jesus during his days on earth physically also became an apostle? Has Jesus started working with the church? Cos according to Paul, he said Jesus makes some Apostles, prophet, pastor, Teachers and evangelist in order to edify the saints of Christ for work of ministry,
U pick 1cor 13:8, are u also implying that knowledge has been done away with when the Bible said knowledge shall increase in d last days? U are talking of satanic power, wherent there satanic power in d land of Egypt? But guess wat, God's power tru moses made a mess of it. Wherent there satanic power during the time of Paul? Why was bar-jesus convinced to drop his satanic powers and tried lobbying to get the power of the Holy Spirit. Oga if u can't be bold enough to pray for a miracle, den u r serving a dead God or engaged in a dead religion and i don't envy you... If the word of God is quick and powerful, i trust that word to work signs and wonders in my life when i claim them.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:36pm On Dec 18, 2017
Absolutely! You know how to pull out receipts from encyclopedia, you should do same on Tyndale. The clergy denied him permission to translate the word of God. It is on record. The only thing petty is your personal vendetta against the JW. Just imagine the entire history of bloodguilt that we have to deal with to arrive at your Bible. The argument that you have against ours is that the men are not educated? What a joke! The 55 men that you bragging about only stole a murdered man's work. What is the use of their education? The Bible was already in many languages before the KJV but how could 55 men steal a work single-handedly done by one man? It took Tyndale about 3 years and 55 educated men 7 years. After the 7 years that same Bible has been EDITED and RE-EDITED. Apart from that some heretical texts are found in it. So what then is the value of their education that you brag about? Many men have single-handedly translated the Bible before the KJV. I see no reason why 55 men would brag about a material they stole from a man.
King James great-granny killed Tyndale and James's work is a plagiarized work of the man that his great-granny killed. There is blood on the floor. Do not wash it away like Lady Macbeth.
We have no personal grief with the book but I only want to make you see that the Bible is not 100% accurate for you to point fingers at others. There is so much to dig out of that Bible so don't judge mine when yours was stolen.
Are you judging the fact that the men are not theologians, or you are judging the men themselves? If these 5 men were able to detect a heretical test that 55 men included in their Bible then they are efficient. The truth is that you are an incendiary with a personal vendetta against us. I see no reason why you just want to kill these men the way Tyndale was sentenced and killed.
salvation101:

You lie again and its becoming petty. If it was the family agenda, why didn't d king and Queen after Henry carry out d agenda? U said acknowledged that there was 70yrs between their reign, and now u claim dat it was the 55 men committee that betrayed Tyndale? So their age must av been in their hundreds according to u but i will need proof from you backing up ur claim..
Now u said ur 5 men committee was of Holy men grin cos dey didn't kill anyone, please provide proof to ur claim that king James, the Puritans and the 55 men committe had hands in the death of tyndale cos as far as i know, it was d same folks that argued before King James against the Puritans dat didn't want the Bible translated into English.
It was on record dat while Tyndale was being killed, he prayed dat God should open d eyes of the king of England. Don't u think dat prayer got answered in the life of King James?

Also, I will like to know if Wikipedia is an encyclopedia or a blog cos u keep repeating the word blog..
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:51pm On Dec 18, 2017
The power of the spirit moved many to perform wonderful works in the first century. But at the close that campaign, the Bible mentions that it would cease. Yeah, if that sort of knowledge did not cease then the bible would have no ending. Our knowledge about God is from the things perceived and from the written words. The message comes with power to divide the marrow and pierce to the soul and spirit.
What you wish for is the magical power of Satan. That kind of healing does not come from God as Thessalonians told you. They are showy display of satanic works to deceive millions. We do not fall for that. We are not a part of it. The Bible has told us what we have.
Africans claim to be very religious and closest to God but mortality rate is higher than in other places in the world. Where is your miracle when people die in the hospitals?
Can you mention names of people who have had a miracle of that sort in recent times or someone with such power as to heal people of their ailments?
salvation101:
lol i simply asked u to differentiate btw miracle and magic and you are beating against the bush. Was it only the Apostles that performed miracle in the scriptures? Was Philip an Apostle was Jesus lying when he said in mark 11:23 that "or verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.", was Jesus talking to the apostles alone or to all who where listening? Was Apostle Paul one of those Jesus was referring to here? How come Apostle Paul who didn't know Jesus during his days on earth physically also became an apostle? Has Jesus started working with the church? Cos according to Paul, he said Jesus makes some Apostles, prophet, pastor, Teachers and evangelist in order to edify the saints of Christ for work of ministry,
U pick 1cor 13:8, are u also implying that knowledge has been done away with when the Bible said knowledge shall increase in d last days? U are talking of satanic power, wherent there satanic power in d land of Egypt? But guess wat, God's power tru moses made a mess of it. Wherent there satanic power during the time of Paul? Why was bar-jesus convinced to drop his satanic powers and tried lobbying to get the power of the Holy Spirit. Oga if u can't be bold enough to pray for a miracle, den u r serving a dead God or engaged in a dead religion and i don't envy you... If the word of God is quick and powerful, i trust that word to work signs and wonders in my life when i claim them.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:57pm On Dec 18, 2017
Maamin:


Same thing happen to me on page 21 when I tried to post something it was deleted and I was banned.
It is crazy. I really do not know who moderates this but it is poorly done. This is a religion section. They are not able to fish out Muslims coming in this forum to denigrate the Bible and Christians but one cannot log on their Islamic forum with pledging allegiance to their Allah. I smell a rat. The interest given to Islam is obviously partisan.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:57pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
Absolutely! You know how to pull out receipts from encyclopedia, you should do same on Tyndale. The clergy denied him permission to translate the word of God. It is on record. The only thing petty is your personal vendetta against the JW. Just imagine the entire history of bloodguilt that we have to deal with to arrive at your Bible. The argument that you have against ours is that the men are not educated? What a joke! The 55 men that you bragging about only stole a murdered man's work. What is the use their education? The Bible was already in many languages before the KJV but how could 55 men steal a work single-handedly done by one man? It took Tyndale about 3 years and 55 educated men 7 years. After the 7 years that same Bible has been EDITED and RE-EDITED. Apart from that some heretical texts are found in it. So what then is the value of their education that you brag about? Many men have single-handedly translated the Bible before the KJV. I see no reason why 55 men would brag about a material they stole from a man.
King James great-granny killed Tyndale and James's work is a plagiarized work of the man that his great-granny killed. There is blood on the floor. Do not wash it away like Lady Macbeth.
We have no personal grief with the book but I only want to make you see that the Bible is not 100% accurate for you to point fingers at others. There is so much to dig out of that Bible so don't judge mine when yours was stolen.
Are you judging the fact that the men are not theologians, or you are judging the men themselves? If these 5 men were able to detect a heretical test that 55 men included in their Bible then they are efficient. The truth is that you are an incendiary with a personal vendetta against us. I see no reason why you just want to kill these men the way Tyndale was sentenced and killed.
why are u haunted by fact. I av no problem providing link to how tyndale was killed in fact let me do that now and i will also add about how King James came about approving the Bible

Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:05pm On Dec 18, 2017
How u try to discredit the king James version cos the church of England killed tyndale is as good as discrediting the books of those Apostles who were killed by the Roman emperor Nero but their work became adopted by Emperor Constantine. Its also equal to discrediting the works of the prophets in the old testament who were either persecuted or murdered like Zachariah.. U can see d failed logic huh?
Now incase u were only reverting to those ir jws materials, here are tye facts about the king James Bible online.

Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:27pm On Dec 18, 2017
You are really funny. I told you that James and Henry are relatives and I am surprised that you did not see that in Encyclopedia. Let me ask you, If your great-granny murdered a man because of his lot, would you build your mansion on that same lot when you have options on the table? Wouldn't you condemn the act of your ancestor seeing that you have done the same thing for which that man was murdered? Your so-called fact is not my type of research tool. If Encyclopedia is your source of research, I will count it an honour to refer you to the library. Books are begging for your touch. I have edited and updated many pages on Encyclopedia and here you are referring me to the same encyclopedia? Anybody can edit Encyclopedia, my dear. Consume at your own risk.
JW do not revile the KJV. We are simply not in accordance with 'some texts' in that Bible. You are condemning our entire Bible without owning a copy. I have been quoting from it since we started conversing and you haven't found a falsehood in it. Whatever you are holding on to is superficial. I will direct you to the heretical texts in 1 John 5:7 in your KJV. I am saying that 1 John 5:7 in the KJV is heretical. Are you in defence of that or do you think you can make that slide so easily by ignoring it? It is a world famous heretical blunder inserted by your acclaimed 55 educated men.
salvation101:
why are u haunted by fact. I av no problem providing link to how tyndale was killed in fact let me do that now and i will also add about how King James came about approving the Bible
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:39pm On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
those 55 scholars have more reputation than ur 5 unlearned man committee who juxtaposed ur doctrine into wat u call scriptures today.
No need to look for the 5 men. We are ALL on the streets preaching (every one of us, young and old). Chances are those men might have knocked at your door and shared the good news with you. Or, you probably might have maligned one of them. You are looking for the men to denigrate while they are looking for you to share the good news about the kingdom of God. What a contrast! You do not even know the men but you are walking around with their stories on your head LOL. The beauty of everything that we do is giving all the credit and glory to Jehovah because it is his will, his word (not 55 men's ) and he is the one who gives us life and strength.
Try to conceive the difference. JW are looking for you with the comforting message in the Bible to share with you. They tell you of a peaceful new world that we are awaiting as in Revelation 21:3-4. You, on the other hand, are looking for JW with a blasphemous vendetta, to smear us and make us appear evil to the world. You come with malicious lies from anti-JW blogs. That is why you are on a smear campaign Micah 2:1. Your thoughts are programmed with a list of recycled questions that you have mastered over time to viciously attack the JW. That is not the good news that Christ gave Christians. What are you doing with 5 men when 66 books are in the Bible for you to preach? We do not go denigrating people’s Bible. We encourage people to read their Bibles and even make the effort to use your own Bible to preach to you. Some of us, JW own and use the KJV even in our preaching but we disapprove of those heretical texts inserted in SOME verses. We focus on the good in people and out of love we go out to tell people the good news in the Bible.
Someone came up to you to blaspheme against the JW in this forum. He has been reviling us all his life. You did not care to verify what he said. You immediately bought into it. You may check your affirmative responses to him. Jesus said, where your treasure is, there your heart is also. That man does not even believe in the Bible. You made no effort to preach to him or share the word of God with him. Why? It is because both of you are on the same campaign to lance personal vendetta against the JW. If he had come to tell you nice things about the JW, you would have thrown him into the ditch. He told you what your ears itch to hear. 2 Timothy 4:4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Maamin(m): 2:43pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
It is crazy. I really do not know who moderates this but it is poorly done. This is a religion section. They are not able to fish out Muslims coming in this forum to denigrate the Bible and Christians but one cannot log on their Islamic forum with pledging allegiance to their Allah. I smell a rat. The interest given to Islam is obviously partisan.

It's really disturbing, something ought to be done.

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:40pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
You are really funny. I told you that James and Henry are relatives and I am surprised that you did not see that in Encyclopedia. Let me ask you, If your great-granny murdered a man because of his lot, would you build your mansion on that same lot when you have options on the table? Wouldn't you condemn the act of your ancestor seeing that you have done the same thing for which that man was murdered? Your so-called fact is not my type of research tool. If Encyclopedia is your source of research, I will count it an honour to refer you to the library. Books are begging for your touch. I have edited and updated many pages on Encyclopedia and here you are referring me to the same encyclopedia? Anybody can edit Encyclopedia, my dear. Consume at your own risk.
JW do not revile the KJV. We are simply not in accordance with 'some texts' in that Bible. You are condemning our entire Bible without owning a copy. I have been quoting from it since we started conversing and you haven't found a falsehood in it. Whatever you are holding on to is superficial. I will direct you to the heretical texts in 1 John 5:7 in your KJV. I am saying that 1 John 5:7 in the KJV is heretical. Are you in defence of that or do you think you can make that slide so easily by ignoring it? It is a world famous heretical blunder inserted by your acclaimed 55 educated men.
and where dis i deny that Henry and James are from same blood line? Did u bother to go tru the pics i sent? I can tell you so many errors in ir bible already.

Genesis 1:1-2
NWT: In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.

NIV: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

NASB: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

KJV: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

DISCUSSION: The Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the doctrine of the Trinity. They believe in a non-triune God named Jehovah, they believe Jesus is “a god” subordinate to Jehovah, and they reject the notion that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Trinity. They believe that the Holy Spirit is an extension of Jehovah – an “active force” He sends out. The Hebrew words here are ruwach elohim, which are accurately translated as “Spirit of God.” Ruwach can be translated as “wind” also, but when joined in context with God, it is a reference to the Spirit of God (as Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon states, “Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son”). This is the first example of the NWT forcing its doctrinal bias into the text of Scripture.



Zechariah 12:10
NWT: And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and entreaties, and they will certainly look to the One whom they pierced through, and they will certainly wail over Him as in the wailing over an only [son]; and there will be a bitter lamentation over him as when there is bitter lamentation over the firstborn [son].

NIV: And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

NASB: I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

KJV: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

DISCUSSION: This passage is one of the most phenomenal Messianic prophecies, because God (Yahweh/Jehovah) is speaking in the first person about Him being the one who will be pierced through. Obviously, Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize this as well. The implications are clear. Since this was God’s prophecy about what would happen to Him, and Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, then Jesus MUST be God. In fact, in the NWT Zechariah 12:1 indicates these are the “words of Jehovah.”[1] The NWT translators apparently missed the inclusion in this verse of the Hebrew ayth, which Strong’s indicates it is a contraction of a word that gives the meaning of “self.”



Mathew 14:33 (among others)
NWT: Then those in the boat did obeisance to him, saying: “You are really God’s Son.”

NIV: Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

NASB: And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"

KJV: Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

DISCUSSION: Throughout the New Testament we find people who worshiped Jesus. Since worship is an action that should be reserved for God, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses deny the deity of Jesus Christ, the NWT had to rectify these verses. The Greek word here is proskuneo. While this word can be translated as doing obeisance (which is defined as giving reverence or homage), the giveaway is the Watchtower’s inconsistency in translating this word. In every instance in the New Testament were proskuneo is given to Jesus Christ, it is translated as doing “obeisance.” Where proskuneo is directed to the Father (“Jehovah” in the NWT), they rightly translate it as “worship” (as in John 4:20).



John 1:1
NWT: In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

NIV: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Here, every legitimate translation of the Bible reads the same – the Word (logos) was God (theos). The NWT stands alone in its contention that the Word was a god. This is to reinforce the JW doctrine that Jesus is not Jehovah, but is simply a subordinate god. The last Greek phrase in its entirety is theos en ho logos, where ho is a definite article (the). The Watchtower says that when theos is preceded by the definite article ho, it implies identity or personality. Since the first use of theos in this verse is preceded by ho, it refers to God. The second use of theos is not preceded by ho, making it an indefinite description or quality. This is simply wrong thinking. It’s an important point to make that theos without the definite article ho is used elsewhere in the New Testament in reference to Jehovah God, and is translated appropriately in the NWT (such as in Luke 20:38). They are inconsistent with this argument, positing the “indefinite quality” assertion only in reference to Jesus.



John 8:58
NWT: Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

NIV: “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

NASB: Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

KJV: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

DISCUSSION: There are deep doctrinal implications in the words of Jesus here. “I am” speaks to his eternality. It is also a name of God that He divulged to Moses. Exodus 3:14 says, God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' " The Greek in John 8:58 is ego eimi, where ego means “I” and eimi is a first person singular present indicative, to “exist”. The Septuagint provides ego eimi as the Greek words in Exodus 3:14. The Hebrew word is hayah, which is derived from the same root as Yahweh. The NWT seeks to distance Jesus’ claims to eternality or deity. Thus, it stands alone in its gross mistranslation of this verse.



Acts 20:28
NWT: Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed YOU overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son].

NIV: Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

NASB: Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

KJV: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

DISCUSSION: Some more grammatical games and bracket inclusions combine to once again pervert Holy Scripture in order to deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Going through my collection of legitimate Bible translations (and some not-so good translations), I find the NWT stands alone in their mistranslation of this verse. The verse speaks of God purchasing the church “with His own blood”. This is obviously a reference to God the Son, Jesus Christ. What a powerful biblical testimony to the deity of Christ, and what an anathema to the neo-Arian doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witnesses! In order to overcome this, a little mistranslation is made to completely change the meaning and deceive their followers. Not a single extant Greek manuscript contains the word “son”.



Colossians 1:16,17
NWT: because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

NIV: For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

NASB: For by Him all things were created, {both} in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

KJV: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

DISCUSSION: This is one of those passages that speak clearly toward the deity of Jesus Christ and His role as the Creator of all things. It’s also one of those passages where the Watchtower Society is powerless to form an argument from the Greek, so they play the brackets game. In order to deny the deity of Jesus Christ and to buttress their argument that Jesus was simply the first of God’s creations, they insert the word “other”. The NWT reads that Jesus, as the first created being, created all “other” things. Since the Greek word for “other” is not found in the Greek manuscripts, they bracket the word to indicate that they’re inserting a word that does not belong. This additional word does not help the flow or clarity of the text, but is instead designed to attack the explicit biblical teaching of Christ’s deity and role as Creator. Greek scholar and theologian Robert Reymond referred to the addition of “other” as “sheer theological perversity…”[2] As an example of the deceptive practices of the Watchtower Society, the 1950 version of the NWT did not bracket the word “other,” making it appear that it was part of the Greek Text. Only since 1961, when pressured to do so by Bible scholars, did they add the brackets.



Titus 2:13
NWT: while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus

NIV: while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

NASB: looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus

KJV: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

DISCUSSION: This verse identifies our great God and our Savior Jesus Christ as being one and the same. While an argument can be made that the KJV separates the two much like the NWT (by placing the Greek pronoun hemon, meaning “our,” in an improper location), the wording of the NWT and the additional bracketed definite article go beyond a disputed positioning of the Greek, and presents an inferior and erroneous translation that once again separates Jesus Christ from His deity.


Legitimate scholars in the Biblical languages and manuscripts don’t think much of the NWT. Dr. Bruce Metzger is a well-known scholar whose works are seminary standards. He used the following adjectives when describing the NWT: “a frightful mistranslation,” “erroneous,” “pernicious,” and “reprehensible.”[3] British Bible scholar H.H. Rowley stated that the NWT is “a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated.”[4] He also referred to the NWT as “an insult to the Word of God.”[5] While this list could go on, let me conclude with the words of Dr. William Barclay who stated, “It is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest.”



It is clear that many are unaware of the dangerous differences found in the New World Translation. We’ve received several emails from people who were confused by a verse shown to them by a Jehovah’s Witness. Often the confusion results from the fact that the verse was like one of those in this article, and when we directed the person to a legitimate translation of that verse, their confusion lifted. When conversing with a Jehovah’s Witness, never let them read a verse from the NWT without verifying the wording in a legitimate translation. As Christians, our faith is supported by the God-breathed Scriptures. We must be on guard against translations that attack our faith through corruption of God’s Word.(
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/new_world_translation.htm)
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:44pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
The power of the spirit moved many to perform wonderful works in the first century. But at the close that campaign, the Bible mentions that it would cease. Yeah, if that sort of knowledge did not cease then the bible would have no ending. Our knowledge about God is from the things perceived and from the written words. The message comes with power to divide the marrow and pierce to the soul and spirit.
What you wish for is the magical power of Satan. That kind of healing does not come from God as Thessalonians told you. They are showy display of satanic works to deceive millions. We do not fall for that. We are not a part of it. The Bible has told us what we have.
Africans claim to be very religious and closest to God but mortality rate is higher than in other places in the world. Where is your miracle when people die in the hospitals?
Can you mention names of people who have had a miracle of that sort in recent times or someone with such power as to heal people of their ailments?
at the close of what campaign? So who inspired ur 5 men committee to translate ur version? U agree it wasn't the Spirit of God(as claimed by ur society dat God should take the glory)? Do u then agree that the Holy Spirit is absent from ur meetings and services? Or has the Holy Spirit lost His power?
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 5:02pm On Dec 18, 2017
I just want you to note how far you have digressed from pure worship. You negate the word of God using education. What has Education to do with God's word and the spirit? What level of education did Jesus attain? What education did apostle Peter attain to have been able to write a book in the Bible? So, in your word, your education makes you more important in the eyes of God?
You have no right to judge a man's work on his level of education. Who placed you a sage to categorize people on account of their education? You are nothing different from the scribes and Pharisee. You are more concerned with the outwardness of men. You call men puritans on account of their education. You have no spiritual mindset that exudes the standard of the person of God.
There is bloodstain in your choice Bible. Does that bother you enough?

Who educated the 55 man committee that wrote your Bible? Was the KJV written from the Greek manuscripts or from an already translated Bible? Are you bragging of education when the men you call educated plagiarised someone else's material? Is that the best that education can offer? And yet you brag about it? Who inspired the KJV? If the men are inspired of God, why are there heretical texts inserted in that Bible?
If you believe in the power of the Holy Spirit then you will reject the KJV using your logic. No record of the Bible has it that 55 men or a committee were involved in writing the word of God. Are you going to deny that Tyndale was murdered and burnt by Jame's great-granny and James stole his work to make the KJV? Why didn't he call it Holy spirit Bible instead of mentioning his name to claim glory for stealing Tyndale's work? So, where is the justice of Tyndale?

The Holy Spirit has been leading us and protecting us from revilers like you who come to smear us. Can you see that you do not care whatever church one worship but as long as it is JW? It is a personal vendetta against us. A toxic move to blaspheme us out of spite. We are not unaware of the source of this attack. It is from the devil, but you are a tool. Is the Holy Spirit with you? What church has the Holy Spirit in Nigeria? i asked you a question earlier, can you give me 3 names of men who have the power to perform miracles in Nigeria?
salvation101:
at the close of what campaign? So who inspired ur 5 men committee to translate ur version? U agree it wasn't the Spirit of God(as claimed by ur society dat God should take the glory)? Do u then agree that the Holy Spirit is absent from ur meetings and services? Or has the Holy Spirit lost His power?
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 5:26pm On Dec 18, 2017
removetheturban:
I just want you to note how far you have digressed from pure worship. You negate the word of God using education. What has Education to do with God's word and the spirit? What level of education did Jesus attain? What education did apostle Peter attain to have been able to write a book in the Bible? So, in your word, your education makes you more important in the eyes of God?
You have no right to judge a man's work on his level of education. Who placed you a sage to categorize people on account of their education? You are nothing different from the scribes and Pharisee. You are more concerned with the outwardness of men. You call men puritans on account of their education. You have no spiritual mindset that exudes the standard of the person of God.
There is bloodstain in your choice Bible. Does that bother you enough?

Who educated the 55 man committee that wrote your Bible? Was the KJV written from the Greek manuscripts or from an already translated Bible? Are you bragging of education when the men you call educated plagiarised someone else's material? Is that the best that education can offer? And yet you brag about it? Who inspired the KJV? If the men are inspired of God, why are there heretical texts inserted in that Bible?
If you believe in the power of the Holy Spirit then you will reject the KJV using your logic. No record of the Bible has it that 55 men or a committee were involved in writing the word of God. Are you going to deny that Tyndale was murdered and burnt by Jame's great-granny and James stole his work to make the KJV? Why didn't he call it Holy spirit Bible instead of mentioning his name to claim glory for stealing Tyndale's work? So, where is the justice of Tyndale?

The Holy Spirit has been leading us and protecting us from revilers like you who come to smear us. Can you see that you do not care whatever church one worship but as long as it is JW? It is a personal vendetta against us. A toxic move to blaspheme us out of spite. We are not unaware of the source of this attack. It is from the devil, but you are a tool. Is the Holy Spirit with you? What church has the Holy Spirit in Nigeria? i asked you a question earlier, can you give me 3 names of men who have the power to perform miracles in Nigeria?
wow i see i struck a cord nd made u very mad grin grin, dats wat d truth does to heretic, it makes dem very mad. It happened in Jesus days, it happened to Stephen nd dey gnashed their teeth at him.
U asked me about 3 ppl who have the power to perform miracle in Nigeria? Why are u more concerned about men than about what the word says? U see dat the very Holy Spirit u claim to inspire ur false doctrine is even absent in ur means hence you can't even trust God for a miracle tru d prayer of even d least among u. Well am not surprised, since you succeeded in removing the Holy Spirit from ur doctrine how den would u expect to have Him working signs and wonders in ur means and since he is absent and u know it, u now try to convince ursef dat miracles has stopped. Well all tru the Bible age, the period where God didn't perform any wonder or speak tru any prophet is wat is known as the dark ages, u r in ur own doctrine-forced dark age... I may not sound nice but i just told u the truth ur society wont te u
Re: Is Jesus God? by Tharhiwan(m): 6:18pm On Dec 18, 2017
Jacksonville:
He is God the son.. Otherwise why would God call his son God?
The Hebrew author quotes from psalm 45 in the 8th n 9th verses of Hebrews 1...
Hebrews 1:6-9
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

[7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

[8] But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

[9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness
above thy fellows.

10.And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Verse 8 ,God says to Jesus,"God your throne is forever....Your righteousness is a proof and staff of authority that you own it." Verse 9 is even clearer... God says to his son "God, even me your God has anointed you with oil...

verse 10 confirms John1:1 ND Isaiah 44:24. it says, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things,Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth All ALONE." ...

Jesus is called 'LORD' who laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens.... In essence, he created the world n the universe... The "all alone" points out the singleness of God as spirit I.e God is one...

Jesus is God the son, but is one in spirit with the father...

YOU CAN CHECK THESE AND REASON
TO IT,with ur bible open
MAY GOD GUIDE US TO ONE AND ONLY
PATH.
*38 Simple Reasons Why Jesus Is Not
God and not son of God but prophet* 1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature
(Malachi 3:6)
2- GOD Almighty is Greater than
Jesus.
(John 14:28 )
3- No one is "Good" including Jesus. Only GOD is" Good" (Luke 18:19)
4- Jesus said he doesn't know when
the Hour will come. Only GOD Knows.
(Mark
13:32)
5- Jesus said that" OUR God is One GOD
(Mark 12:29 )
6- Jesus also said "My GOD and your
GOD" (John 20:17) 7- Jesus bowed his
face down to the
ground to GOD Almighty. (Matthew 26:39)
8- Jesus was tempted by satan for 40
days (Mat1:4), while GOD Almighty
can
not be tempted (Jacob 1:13) 9- Jesus
said he is a man (John 8:40) 10- God is neither a man nor a son of
a
man (Numbers 23:19)
11- No one can see God (1 John 4:20)
but
people saw Jesus 12- God is the living and everlasting
(Habakkuk 1:12)
13- Jesus always confessed he is just
a
prophet sent by God (Matthew
21:10-11) 14- God Declared Himself to be God,
Jesus didn't (Ezekiel 20:20)
15- Jesus told his real mission was to
preach not sacrifice Mark1:38)
16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice
(Matthew 9:13) 17- Jesus referred himself as
Servant:
Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John
13:16
18- Referred himself as Prophet:
Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John
13:17,
7:16, 6:14, 7:40
19- Referred himself as Son of Man:
Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2,
Luke 9:22, John 5:27 20- Referred himself as a Slave: John
13:16, Matthew 10:24
21- Referred himself as a Student:
Matthew 10:24
22- Father is Grater than Jesus (John
14:28) How can someone be greater than God?
23- Jesus was taught by the Father
(John
8:28)
24- Jesus can do nothing by himself
(John 5:19, John 5:30) 25- Jesus does not even have his
own doctrine (John 7:16)
26- Jesus ascended to his God (John
20:17)
27- According to Christian Jesus died
as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but
Bible
says that God is infinite Psalm
102:27-27 28- Jesus needed to Pray,
Eat, Drink and
was Helped by a Woman, as stated in
Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-
sufficient
Psalm 50:12
29- The God remain the same in
nature (Hebrews 1:12) 30- Jesus is the same human today,
yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13: 31- Jesus could not save anyone as
he
was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1- 32- Jesus said he was sent to lost sheep
of Israel
(Matthew 15:24)
33- God can not be born and perhaps
form His own creation
34- Jesus never told people to worship him
35- Jesus did not Teach Trinity
36- God is the essence of the
worship.
He is the object of worship. Had
Jesus been God, he would have told people
to
worship him. Truly, he did the exact
opposite as in Matthew 15:9
37- Jesus never called his followers
Christians, Paul did .(Acts of apostles 11:25- 26)
38- Jesus as a servant of God
(Matthew
12:18) EXPOSE THE HIDDEN TRUTH BY
DR SHEIKH
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Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 8:45pm On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:
and where dis i deny that Henry and James are from same blood line? Did u bother to go tru the pics i sent? I can tell you so many errors in ir bible already.

Genesis 1:1-2
NWT: In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.

NIV: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

NASB: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

KJV: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

DISCUSSION: The Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the doctrine of the Trinity. They believe in a non-triune God named Jehovah, they believe Jesus is “a god” subordinate to Jehovah, and they reject the notion that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Trinity. They believe that the Holy Spirit is an extension of Jehovah – an “active force” He sends out. The Hebrew words here are ruwach elohim, which are accurately translated as “Spirit of God.” Ruwach can be translated as “wind” also, but when joined in context with God, it is a reference to the Spirit of God (as Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon states, “Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son”). This is the first example of the NWT forcing its doctrinal bias into the text of Scripture.

You must be so ashamed to read your comment above. Spirit OF God and then suddenly it changed to a triune God and automatically a coequal. Firstly, try to find out the function of the preposition ‘OF’ to the Noun.
We have never rejected the idea that the active force is the Holy Spirit. What are we forcing into the scripture? Some Bible translations use wind in place of spirit etc and they have some justification for that. If you believe that Ruwach Elohim means spirit of God, then what does ‘God the spirit’ mean in Hebrew as regard your belief?
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Zechariah 12:10
NWT: And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and entreaties, and they will certainly look to the One whom they pierced through, and they will certainly wail over Him as in the wailing over an only [son:

; and there will be a bitter lamentation over him as when there is bitter lamentation over the firstborn [son].

NIV: And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

NASB: I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

KJV: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

DISCUSSION: This passage is one of the most phenomenal Messianic prophecies, because God (Yahweh/Jehovah) is speaking in the first person about Him being the one who will be pierced through. Obviously, Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize this as well. The implications are clear. Since this was God’s prophecy about what would happen to Him, and Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, then Jesus MUST be God. In fact, in the NWT Zechariah 12:1 indicates these are the “words of Jehovah.”[1] The NWT translators apparently missed the inclusion in this verse of the Hebrew ayth, which Strong’s indicates it is a contraction of a word that gives the meaning of “self.”

Very pathetic! I see nothing to talk about here. You are beating a dead horse. There is no point made. Your comment is shaky and uncoordinated.
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 8:46pm On Dec 18, 2017
salvation101:

John 1:1
NWT: In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

NIV: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Here, every legitimate translation of the Bible reads the same – the Word (logos) was God (theos). The NWT stands alone in its contention that the Word was a god. This is to reinforce the JW doctrine that Jesus is not Jehovah, but is simply a subordinate god. The last Greek phrase in its entirety is theos en ho logos, where ho is a definite article (the). The Watchtower says that when theos is preceded by the definite article ho, it implies identity or personality. Since the first use of theos in this verse is preceded by ho, it refers to God. The second use of theos is not preceded by ho, making it an indefinite description or quality. This is simply wrong thinking. It’s an important point to make that theos without the definite article ho is used elsewhere in the New Testament in reference to Jehovah God, and is translated appropriately in the NWT (such as in Luke 20:38). They are inconsistent with this argument, positing the “indefinite quality” assertion only in reference to Jesus.

I will expose your double standard. First we are not the only Bible translation to use “a god”.
King James Bible: Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Elohim was used in this Hebrew scripture to refer to a ‘single person’, Moses.

You claim that Elohim means 3-in 1 or Gods (not singular). In this verse, the KJV stands alone in translating Elohim as “a god”. You may check your Bible right now and compare this same verse with other Bible translations that you listed above as references to malign us.

The Hebrew word mentioned in the Bible is Elohim but KJB translated it as 'god'. Take note of this.

Fact: You have failed your own rule. Two points just got shattered. The implication of the nature of Elohim (1 person and not 3) and the translation of Elohim (a god and not God).

Would you choose to proceed with the KJB or withdraw? If yes, then do not use this as a barometer to denigrate my bible.

In John 1:1 The Greek words Theon and theos was used. Theon was translated God in all translations but Theos was translated as “a god” in mine and then you called me dark-age for it.

Now, if your argument is that Theos should have been translated as God, let us fact-check other verses in the KJB to see if they themselves are guilty of the same ‘crime’.

King James Bible 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the “god” of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

voila! the Greek translation of this title here is Theos. But you just judged me for translating Theos as 'god'.

For the second time, the KJB is guilty of the same crime for which you are reviling the JW.

Hypocrisy! Blasphemy. Jehovah’s witnesses are false because they changed Theos to god in John 1:1 but how can you explain 2 Corinthians 4:4 to a neutral person?

Would you accept to call yourself the same names that you call us?
Would you want to make a public apology?

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