danvon:
Verdict Passed: "Christians got their Idea from the Old Testament"... LA fin

Please quote the verses.

Seun:

Please quote the verses they got the idea of the devil from in the Old Testament.

Isaiah 14:12-15 even the op admitted it

urahara:



looool.

very true


and funny enough the " godless " nations that Nigerian Christians condemn are so much better than us at all ramifications.

I may even say they have more morals than us.




...........so your mom knows about your irreligiousness?

woooow

how did she take it?

She's fearful of my stance on the matter bro.
She requested why and I told her my thoughts on the matter and that's it.
At first I was stupidly headstrong to want to shun everything religious until I saw it's usefulness
Fine girls dey full church and I like fine girls, plus Xmas yiken and rice
You can exploit anyone with just God bless you or assert yourself with religion. I even learned a little about Islam and their greetings before going to Jordan and I chop a Jordanian okolo just by pretending to love Islam , me go mosque o

I can allow anyone pray for me now if I get the time and shock you after the prayer by asking you, which of the gods you just pray to? or I'll just let you feel good about yourself and let you go with your wahala

it's a different and exciting world for me. Seeing it all for what it is.

Someone once said "the rulers see religion as useful" and events up east shows it's a fact. The way the Shiites and Sunni leaders are fueling conflicts cos of oil and land but cloaking it all with religion. Iran especially, those guys are plain bastards.

If I'm paid well bro, I'll pick my religious cap and flaunt it publicly while inwardly holding my freedom. After all it's a job

If you see the way the Jordanian princes dey misbehave, you go understand the ruling class gives no shiit about religion. It's just something to stop the masses from killing them....
I stylishly to tried to make friends with the prince I got acquainted with through my Arab friend but the day I say him high (no drugs that madman no dey take) and using his Beretta to threaten one of his friends on small provocation, I retrace my steps sharpaly. I been wan near am whether oil money go touch my hands o.

danvon:
Isaiah 14:12-15 even the op admitted it

This?

Isaiah 14, From Verse 3(NASB):

And it will be in the day when the Lord gives you rest from your pain and turmoil and harsh service in which you have been enslaved, that you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, and say,

“How the oppressor has ceased, And how fury has ceased!
“The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, The scepter of rulers
Which used to strike the peoples in fury with unceasing strokes,
Which subdued the nations in anger with unrestrained persecution.
“The whole earth is at rest and is quiet; They break forth into shouts of joy.

“Even the cypress trees rejoice over you, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying,
‘Since you were laid low, no tree cutter comes up against us.’
“Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when you come;
It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the earth;
It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones.

“They will all respond and say to you,
‘Even you have been made weak as we, You have become like us.
‘Your pomp and the music of your harps have been brought down to Sheol;
Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you; And worms are your covering.’

“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth, you who have weakened the nations!

“But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north.
‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’

“Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit.

The King Of Babylon defeated the Israelites and many other nations and enslaved their people. This entire passage is saying, "Babylon will be destroyed, their King will be killed, and Israel and the other nations they enslaved will be freed." It's not about Satan. Sheol means grave.

Seun:


This?


The King Of Babylon defeated the Israelites and many other nations and enslaved their people. This entire passage is saying, "Babylon will be destroyed, their King will be killed, and Israel and the other nations they enslaved will be freed." It's not about Satan. Sheol means grave.

Use the King James Bible next time, how can Nebuchadnezzar ascend into heaven? The word was Hell not Sheol

correctguy101:


She's fearful of my stance on the matter bro.
She requested why and I told her my thoughts on the matter and that's it.
At first I was stupidly headstrong to want to shun everything religious until I saw it's usefulness
Fine girls dey full church and I like fine girls, plus Xmas yiken and rice
You can exploit anyone with just God bless you or assert yourself with religion. I even learned a little about Islam and their greetings before going to Jordan and I chop a Jordanian okolo just by pretending to love Islam , me go mosque o

I can allow anyone pray for me now if I get the time and shock you after the prayer by asking you, which of the gods you just pray to? or I'll just let you feel good about yourself and let you go with your wahala

it's a different and exciting world for me. Seeing it all for what it is.

Someone once said "the rulers see religion as useful" and events up east shows it's a fact. The way the Shiites and Sunni leaders are fueling conflicts cos of oil and land but cloaking it all with religion. Iran especially, those guys are plain bastards.

If I'm paid well bro, I'll pick my religious cap and flaunt it publicly while inwardly holding my freedom. After all it's a job

If you see the way the Jordanian princes dey misbehave, you go understand the ruling class gives no shiit about religion. It's just something to stop the masses from killing them....
I stylishly to tried to make friends with the prince I got acquainted with through my Arab friend but the day I say him high (no drugs that madman no dey take) and using his Beretta to threaten one of his friends on small provocation, I retrace my steps sharpaly. I been wan near am whether oil money go touch my hands o.

Baba, you na correct guy. After you na still you.

i for like be your PA for this parole make i follow peep from behind

danvon:
Use the King James Bible next time

The KJV is an outdated* version of the bible. Its writers didn't have access to the more reliable, older manuscripts that have been discovered since.

how can Nebuchadnezzar ascend into heaven?

The passage is a poetic work which uses hyperbole. When R. Kelly sings "I believe I can fly" do you believe he can literally fly like a pigeon?

The word was Hell not Sheol

The word used in the original Hebrew is Sheol. This word basically means grave. The NIV diplomatically translates it as "realm of the dead".

Here's the continuation of the passage:

“Those who see you will gaze at you, They will ponder over you, saying,
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms,
Who made the world like a wilderness, And overthrew its cities,
Who did not allow his prisoners to go home?’

“All the kings of the nations lie in glory, Each in his own tomb.
“But you have been cast out of your tomb Like a rejected branch,
Clothed with the slain who are pierced with a sword,
Who go down to the stones of the pit like a trampled corpse.

“You will not be united with them in burial, Because you have ruined your country, You have slain your people.

May the offspring of evildoers not be mentioned forever.

“Prepare for his sons a place of slaughter. Because of the iniquity of their fathers.
They must not arise and take possession of the earth. And fill the face of the world with cities.”

“I will rise up against them,” declares the Lord of hosts, “and will cut off from Babylon name and survivors, offspring and posterity,” declares the Lord. “I will also make it a possession for the hedgehog and swamps of water, and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction,” declares the Lord of hosts.

This doesn't sound like the Christian Satan at all, does it?

Seun:

The KJV is a terrible version of the bible. Its writers didn't have access to the more reliable, older manuscripts that have been discovered since.


The passage is a poetic work which uses hyperbole. When R. Kelly sings "I believe I can fly" do you believe he can literally fly like a pigeon?


The word used in the original Hebrew is Sheol. This word basically means grave. The NIV diplomatically translates it as "realm of the dead".

Here's the continuation of the passage:

This doesn't sound like the Christian Satan at all, does it?

First of all the found versions 90% have agreed with the king James Bible, it uses the word Hell not Sheol this people who translate Bible today cannot speak Greek, Isaiah was written before Nebuchadnezzar was born, Satan is the king of Babylon read Revelation 14:8, 17:5, 18:21, he wasn't referring to a Physical Babylon , who would be so powerful to exalt himself above the Stars Nebuchadnezzar wasn't that proud and he repented only the devil can be that powerful.... Even still it doesn't matter because Satan is mentioned a lot in the New Testament you can't deny the New Testament and believe the Old Testament

Lolz now show me where in the new testament where Satan is a real rival with God ........ I'm waiting

..

Besides Satan is enemy of human race not just Christians

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Revelation:12:9 hope you were not asking me because there's many where that came from

@urahara

We got it from 1 peter 5:8

Here is a commentary e sober,
be vigilant.... The apostle had exhorted to each of these before; see 1Pe 1:13 but thought fit to repeat them; sobriety and watchfulness being exceeding necessary and useful in the Christian life; and the one cannot well be without the other: unless a man is sober in body and mind, he will not be watchful, either over himself or others, or against the snares of sin, Satan, and the world; and if he is not on his watch and guard, he is liable to every sin and temptation. The Syriac version renders the words, "watch", and "be ye mindful", or "remember"; watch with diligence, care, and industry, keeping a good lookout, minding and observing everything that presents, and remembering the power and cunning of the enemy; and the Ethiopic version renders them thus, "be ye prudent, and cause your heart to understand"; referring them not to temperance of body, but sobriety of mind, and to a prudent conduct and behaviour, as having a subtle as well as a malicious enemy to deal with:

because your adversary the devil; he who is a defamer and calumniator; who accuses God to men, and men to God, and is therefore styled the accuser of the brethren; he is the saints' avowed and implacable enemy. Satan is an enemy to mankind in general, but more especially to the seed of the woman, to Christ personal, and to Christ mystical, to all the elect of God: the word here used is a forensic term, and signifies a court adversary, or one that litigates a point in law, or opposes another in an action or suit at law. The Jews c have adopted this word into their language, and explain it by בעל דין, "a law adversary", or one that has a suit of law depending against another. Satan accuses men of the breach of the law, and pleads that justice might take place, and punishment be inflicted, and which he pursues with great violence and diligence:

as a roaring lion; so called, both on account of his strength, and also because of his rage, malice, and cruelty, which he breathes out against the saints, who, though he cannot destroy them, will do all he can to terrify and affright them; so the young lions in
Ps 104:21 are, by the Cabalistic Jews d, understood of devils; to which, for the above reasons, they may be truly compared:
walketh about; to and fro in the earth; see Job 1:7 as a lion runs about here and there, when almost famished with hunger; and it also denotes the insidious methods, wiles, and stratagems Satan takes to surprise men, and get an advantage of them: he takes a tour, and comes round upon them, upon the back of them, at an unawares, so that they have need to be always sober, and upon their guard:
seeking whom he may devour; this is the end of his walking about: and the like is expressed in the Targum on Job 1:7
"and Satan answered before the Lord, and said, from going about in the earth למבדק בעובדי, "to search into the works" of the children of men, and from walking in it;''
that so he might have something to accuse them of, and they fall a prey into his hands. This is the work he is continually employed in; he is always seeking to do mischief, either to the souls, or bodies, or estates of men, especially the former; though he can do nothing in either respect without a permission, not unless he "may"; and though this, with respect to body and estate, is sometimes granted, as in the case of Job, yet never with respect to the souls of any of God's elect, which are safe in Christ's hands, and out of his reach; this hinders not but that saints should be sober and watchful.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Revelation:20:10

danvon:
your Bible is fake, honestly I was expecting you to say that, you atheists are somehow predictable
King James Bible "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, SON of the MORNING! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
Isaiah:14:12, son of the morning, not morning star, only in satanic Bibles like the one you are using, that's compares Jesus with Lucifer

looool u should know better.

the word Lucifer has never meant Satan.

it is a Latin word which means " bringer of light "


it is a title not the name of a person

danvon:
your Bible is fake, honestly I was expecting you to say that, you atheists are somehow predictable
King James Bible "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, SON of the MORNING! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
Isaiah:14:12, son of the morning, not morning star, only in satanic Bibles like the one you are using, that's compares Jesus with Lucifer

Lucifer is a Latin word that means the morning star

and who doesn't know that it's a prophecy ....
??

danvon:
Verdict Passed: "Christians got their Idea from the Old Testament"... LA fin

looooool.

typical Christian. response

danvon:
Isaiah 14:12-15 even the op admitted it

looooool.

don't lie on my head. read my refutation

Ferisidowu:
@urahara

We got it from 1 peter 5:8

Here is a commentary e sober,
be vigilant.... The apostle had exhorted to each of these before; see 1Pe 1:13 but thought fit to repeat them; sobriety and watchfulness being exceeding necessary and useful in the Christian life; and the one cannot well be without the other: unless a man is sober in body and mind, he will not be watchful, either over himself or others, or against the snares of sin, Satan, and the world; and if he is not on his watch and guard, he is liable to every sin and temptation. The Syriac version renders the words, "watch", and "be ye mindful", or "remember"; watch with diligence, care, and industry, keeping a good lookout, minding and observing everything that presents, and remembering the power and cunning of the enemy; and the Ethiopic version renders them thus, "be ye prudent, and cause your heart to understand"; referring them not to temperance of body, but sobriety of mind, and to a prudent conduct and behaviour, as having a subtle as well as a malicious enemy to deal with:

because your adversary the devil; he who is a defamer and calumniator; who accuses God to men, and men to God, and is therefore styled the accuser of the brethren; he is the saints' avowed and implacable enemy. Satan is an enemy to mankind in general, but more especially to the seed of the woman, to Christ personal, and to Christ mystical, to all the elect of God: the word here used is a forensic term, and signifies a court adversary, or one that litigates a point in law, or opposes another in an action or suit at law. The Jews c have adopted this word into their language, and explain it by בעל דין, "a law adversary", or one that has a suit of law depending against another. Satan accuses men of the breach of the law, and pleads that justice might take place, and punishment be inflicted, and which he pursues with great violence and diligence:

as a roaring lion; so called, both on account of his strength, and also because of his rage, malice, and cruelty, which he breathes out against the saints, who, though he cannot destroy them, will do all he can to terrify and affright them; so the young lions in
Ps 104:21 are, by the Cabalistic Jews d, understood of devils; to which, for the above reasons, they may be truly compared:
walketh about; to and fro in the earth; see Job 1:7 as a lion runs about here and there, when almost famished with hunger; and it also denotes the insidious methods, wiles, and stratagems Satan takes to surprise men, and get an advantage of them: he takes a tour, and comes round upon them, upon the back of them, at an unawares, so that they have need to be always sober, and upon their guard:
seeking whom he may devour; this is the end of his walking about: and the like is expressed in the Targum on Job 1:7
"and Satan answered before the Lord, and said, from going about in the earth למבדק בעובדי, "to search into the works" of the children of men, and from walking in it;''
that so he might have something to accuse them of, and they fall a prey into his hands. This is the work he is continually employed in; he is always seeking to do mischief, either to the souls, or bodies, or estates of men, especially the former; though he can do nothing in either respect without a permission, not unless he "may"; and though this, with respect to body and estate, is sometimes granted, as in the case of Job, yet never with respect to the souls of any of God's elect, which are safe in Christ's hands, and out of his reach; this hinders not but that saints should be sober and watchful.

Cc danvon

urahara:



looooool.

don't lie on my head. read my refutation

After he has gone to study he comes back with Phd, well like I said earlier it doesn't matter it appears in the New Testament, you can't deny the New Testament and believe the Old Testament simple as that I know you don't believe the law of moses in that Old Testament your using

And he goes to study again

danvon:
After he has gone to study he comes back with Phd, well like I said earlier it doesn't matter it appears in the New Testament, you can't deny the New Testament and believe the Old Testament simple as that I know you don't believe the law of moses in that Old Testament your using

lool, I don't believe the Old Testament.


now answer the question

where did Christianity get its concept of Satan from?

urahara:




lool, I don't believe the Old Testament.


now answer the question

where did Christianity get its concept of Satan from?

From the Bible

danvon:
From the Bible

lool.
the Old Testament teaches that Satan is an angel who is only doing his job.
where did the new testament get its version from.

know this....... in Judaism. angels have no freewill. , that includes ha'satan

correctguy101:


She's fearful of my stance on the matter bro.
She requested why and I told her my thoughts on the matter and that's it.
At first I was stupidly headstrong to want to shun everything religious until I saw it's usefulness
Fine girls dey full church and I like fine girls, plus Xmas yiken and rice
You can exploit anyone with just God bless you or assert yourself with religion. I even learned a little about Islam and their greetings before going to Jordan and I chop a Jordanian okolo just by pretending to love Islam , me go mosque o

I can allow anyone pray for me now if I get the time and shock you after the prayer by asking you, which of the gods you just pray to? or I'll just let you feel good about yourself and let you go with your wahala

it's a different and exciting world for me. Seeing it all for what it is.

Someone once said "the rulers see religion as useful" and events up east shows it's a fact. The way the Shiites and Sunni leaders are fueling conflicts cos of oil and land but cloaking it all with religion. Iran especially, those guys are plain bastards.

If I'm paid well bro, I'll pick my religious cap and flaunt it publicly while inwardly holding my freedom. After all it's a job

If you see the way the Jordanian princes dey misbehave, you go understand the ruling class gives no shiit about religion. It's just something to stop the masses from killing them....
I stylishly to tried to make friends with the prince I got acquainted with through my Arab friend but the day I say him high (no drugs that madman no dey take) and using his Beretta to threaten one of his friends on small provocation, I retrace my steps sharpaly. I been wan near am whether oil money go touch my hands o.

looooooooool, may be I will try and adopt your stance on religion.

it's truly useful.



so with all the hijab , the Jordanian okolo open leg

urahara:



lool.

the Old Testament teaches that Satan is an angel who is only doing his job.

where did the new testament get its version from.


know this....... in Judaism. angels have no freewill. , that includes ha'satan

now you Daddy freeze followers when you want to attack tithe you go to new Testament , want to push alcohol you turn to old Testament (drug -addicts) the truth is you don't believe any of them, now ur bringing Judaism, let me tell you something about Judaism today
1: They don't believe Adam and eve
2: They don't believe in circumcision
3: They don't practice animal sacrifice
4: They don't believe 10 commandments
now will you say they believe the old Testament?

danvon:
now you Daddy freeze followers when you want to attack tithe you go to new Testament , want to push alcohol you turn to old Testament (drug -addicts) the truth is you don't believe any of them, now ur bringing Judaism, let me tell you something about Judaism today
1: They don't believe Adam and eve
2: They don't believe in circumcision
3: They don't practice animal sacrifice
4: They don't believe 10 commandments
now will you say they believe the old Testament?

loooooooool, I love the way you just diverted from the issue.
anyaay

1.they believe in Adam and eve.

2.jews believe in circumcision

3. they don't practice animal sacrifice because the temple has been destroyed and they can't rebuild the temple because the Al Asqa mosque seats on where the temple was

4. they do believe the ten commandments.

where did you get all this lies from ?

urahara:



loooooooool, I love the way you just diverted from the issue.
anyaay

1.they believe in Adam and eve.

2.jews believe in circumcision

3. they don't practice animal sacrifice because the temple has been destroyed and they can't rebuild the temple because the Al Asqa mosque seats on where the temple was

4. they do believe the ten commandments.

where did you get all this lies from ?

now I'm sure you know nothing about Judaism
They don't believe in Adam and eve http://thetorah.com/the-immortal-myth-of-adam-and-eve/
They don't believe 10 commandments https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ten-commandments/
They don't believe in circumcision https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ten-commandments/
Where in Bible were they ordered to have a temple to perform Animal sacrifice? You know nothing about Judaism, Old Testament and the New Testament intact you know nothing at all

danvon:
now I'm sure you know nothing about Judaism
They don't believe in Adam and eve http://thetorah.com/the-immortal-myth-of-adam-and-eve/
They don't believe 10 commandments https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ten-commandments/
They don't believe in circumcision https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ten-commandments/
Where in Bible were they ordered to have a temple to perform Animal sacrifice? You know nothing about Judaism, Old Testament and the New Testament intact you know nothing at all

looool


what rubbish?


Jews obviously follow the ten commandments and till date they still circumcise.


this is basic knowledge.

danvon:
now I'm sure you know nothing about Judaism
They don't believe in Adam and eve http://thetorah.com/the-immortal-myth-of-adam-and-eve/
They don't believe 10 commandments https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ten-commandments/
They don't believe in circumcision https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ten-commandments/
Where in Bible were they ordered to have a temple to perform Animal sacrifice? You know nothing about Judaism, Old Testament and the New Testament intact you know nothing at all

I wanted to take screenshots about Judaism to enlighten you but by the look of things I will only be wasting my time

urahara:


I wanted to take screenshots about Judaism to enlighten you but by the look of things I will only be wasting my time

They are some xtians that believe that until all jews believe and accept jesus as the messiah the world wont end.

urahara:





looooooooool, may be I will try and adopt your stance on religion.

it's truly useful.



so with all the hijab , the Jordanian okolo open leg

See you, no go dull o....

The Arabs are facing a kind of control that's against human nature. If you check, Arabs are leading in porn viewing.
Even my fine sister has Arabians begging her to send them her nudies but me tell her say if them no pay, nothing else I go disown her cos I know Arabs are very stingy.

They have wild dreams of having great sex but their society no allow such.

Na for one funny mountain the girl drive me to just cos their place seems somewhat monitored. Mountain sex dey sweet o bros, breeze go just dey blow your bare bum as you dey chop okolo.... SMH....

She was giving me Jordanian Dina when I was there but since I return, baby lockup o, even when I lied that I need money to come back to Jordan, she say make I come first, hehehehehe.... They're all very stingy

No dull boss, even if na only okolo religion go let you chop, manage am like that and chop to your fill but no forget as I once do mumu let myself be kidnapped by a woman o

romme2u:


Baba, you na correct guy. After you na still you.

i for like be your PA for this parole make i follow peep from behind

For wetin na?

How my oga go become my PA?