Mujtahida:
Jesus (if he existed) at least the one in the bible has been so misconstrued by the churches and it seems to me that their work basically is to destroy his work.

All true spiritual leaders avoid making people dependent on them. They elevate you, they show you your God, they point out your path to you, they make you 'democratise' the voice of God. I find it disturbing that Adeboye and other 'men of God' stands to minister to thousands upon thousands of God's children. Is that how a father communicates with his children? No. This is what I think is happening: Adeboye has found his God, has recognised the voice of his God but instead of him to point others to their own God, to make them hear and obey their own God so that church becomes a place for fellowship not preaching, he keeps people dependent on his own God. And in this way the churches have centralised God. The churches have become the powers Jesus fought to free men from because for Christ the dignity of every man as a man stands above law, above institutions, above governments, above regulations and ceremonies, above the authority of other men. That is why jesus could stand on his authority and say 'you have heard it said to you an eye for an eye BUT I SAY TO YOU...
We too must stand on our own authority and speak, we must rely on the power of our own words. Only this way will men find freedom.

Wrt the emboldened.

I am tempted to deduce that your position on this matter is akin to the account of those who rebelled against Moses by questioning why he is the only person God spoke to. when they were summoned, God did not hesitate to prove to them that Moses was actually the chosen one. Read Numbers 16.

God from ages has always set chosen men as leaders. Everyone has his personal encounter with God at different circumstances and levels,just as we have variants of spiritual gifts from the same source.

Be that as it may, it is absolutely wrong for me to measure my spiritual attainment with yours, even God we serve hates men that measure themselves against themselves. 2 Corinthians 10:12.

Putting all together, we should all endeavor to fill up spiritual spaces alloted to us and not that of others. To every living creature, there is a purpose. Yours may differ from mine. Ability to occupy that spiritual space/purpose is the tallest task for every single living soul. Luke 19:13.

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe when people look away from what's occupying them and turn to face Jesus,
then they'll realise that, Jesus, all along had been speaking loudly
but they werent in the frame of mind to notice and become aware He all along has been doing this

Stop making excuses for your infinitely powerful God. If he existed, getting everyone's attention would be extremely easy for him.

analize701:

Let me run and check how long you have been on nairaland. Hmmm. ***Closemymouth***

am a new comer Bro. . .

Seun:
Stop making excuses for your infinitely powerful God. If he existed, getting everyone's attention would be extremely easy for him. He doesn’t.

Extremely easy getting everyone's attention isn't the point here
but rather acknowledgement or being aware that your attention is getting sought.

Do gallery masterpiece art work turn out the way they are, just like that, piam, without an artist?

Mujtahida:

Jesus Christ! I will ignore you. But for the sake of others prove your accusation. Dig out one post where I attacked Christians in support of Islam. ]Do it or forever keep your disgusting mouth out of my posts. I have been patient with you. I am not a Christian, I am not a Muslim. It's not your issue. Don't ever quote me again

It won't be long, i will call you out for this.

izzyybothe17:


am a new comer Bro. . .

Welcome.

MizMyColi:
Correctguy101

I'm tongue tied

I am extreeemly occupied

Ha....

correctguy101:


Ha....

Mujtahida:
Jesus Christ!
I will ignore you. But for the sake of others prove your accusation.
Dig out one post where I attacked Christians in support of Islam.
Do it or forever keep your disgusting mouth out of my posts.
I have been patient with you. I am not a Christian, I am not a Muslim.
It's not your issue.
Don't ever quote me again

Oh dear, somebody didn't have a very merry christmas afterall then.

analize701:

The thought of having pork inside soup alone is enough to kill my appetite. Urgghh.

Lol, your taste is too highly developed.
What really kills my appetite is watching Atheists cringe away when they get a direct challenge to prove their deep beliefs in NO-god.

Only a few days ago the highly esteemed Kingebukasblog offered them the totally transparent chance of a life time. This incredible challenge would have brought about world peace. It should have united the world of sane men and women that have the balls to protect the children of the world against "Snakes and Vipers".

That challenge would have served to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

This was in essence a FREEDOM CHALLENGE selflessly offered up by a brave man, Kingebukasblog to a dying world. This challenge is meant to uplift, inspire and galvanize men to be men.

Atheism is dying, thanks to the internet. says the wise Kingebukasblog.

modik:


Wrt the emboldened.

I am tempted to deduce that your position on this matter is akin to the account of those who rebelled against Moses by questioning why he is the only person God spoke to. when they were summoned, God did not hesitate to prove to them that Moses was actually the chosen one. Read Numbers 16.

God from ages has always set chosen men as leaders. Everyone has his personal encounter with God at different circumstances and levels,just as we have variants of spiritual gifts from the same source.

Be that as it may, it is absolutely wrong for me to measure my spiritual attainment with yours, even God we serve hates men that measure themselves against themselves. 2 Corinthians 10:12.

Putting all together, we should all endeavor to fill up spiritual spaces alloted to us and not that of others. To every living creature, there is a purpose. Yours may differ from mine. Ability to occupy that spiritual space/purpose is the tallest task for every single living soul. Luke 19:13.

Bros, exactly the point I am making. Pastors should help people find their places. All true spiritual teachers have been pointers.

ScienceWatch:
Lol, your taste is too highly developed.
What really kills my appetite is watching Atheists cringe away when they get a direct challenge to prove their deep beliefs in NO-god.

Only a few days ago the highly esteemed Kingebukasblog offered them the totally transparent chance of a life time. This incredible challenge would have brought about world peace. It should have united the world of sane men and women that have the balls to protect the children of the world against "Snakes and Vipers".

That challenge would have served to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

This was in essence a FREEDOM CHALLENGE selflessly offered up by a brave man, Kingebukasblog to a dying world. This challenge is meant to uplift, inspire and galvanize men to be men.

Atheism is dying, thanks to the internet. says the wise Kingebukasblog.

How can the atheist be asked tk proof his belief in no God. Atheist dont believe in God because they is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Have you heard of the "philosophy of burden"? The burden of proof is on the personna making the claim.
So if you say there is a God then prove it.
If you say there are angels nd demons then prove it. The burden of proof is on the christians and muslims not on the atheist.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh dear, somebody didn't have a very merry christmas afterall then.

You see I know her strategy all too well. My moniker sounds Muslim. But I am not a Muslim, never been a Muslim and never will be. I was once a Christian. I was Secretary of my campus fellowship, Secretary of a redeem church. Baptised in the holy Spirit and I have gone through the whole rigmarole of Christianity. I am acquainted with the faith cos I wasn't just a church goer. I sought God, read my Bible, I read the best of Christian authors from the early church, through to Charles Spurgeon, to watchman Nee, Kenneth Hagin, Austin Sparks, listened to Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer etc. Not to boast but if I hide my present beliefs and talk to you about Christianity, other Christians will say it's the Holy Spirit speaking through me. But right now at a point where I don't just believe in the bible God anymore. I am a Deist sort of.
So I don't know why she comes on my post to accuse me of stuffs I know nothing about. There was a time some Christians were mocking Allah. And I intervened pointing out to them that just as they(the Christians) are mocking Allah for being an idol, so also is Jehovah an idol. I concluded by saying let liberty reign, let each worship his own God. That is what this ungracious female is accusing me as attacking Christians.

She cannot withstand the fact that others have a different believe. So once she sees a thread where people are having discussions like we are having, she will try her utmost to create chaos. I have never seen a more mean hearted and uncharitable female. I have had discussions with Christians here and we talked as matured people without bitterness or gripe. I have had enough of her insolence.

MuttleyLaff:
²⁸Then Peter called to him,
"Lord, if it's really you, tell me to come to you, walking on the water."
²⁹“Yes, come,” Jesus said.
- Matthew 14:28-29

Everything else you wrote is a reality check,
the last sentence is a blemish on an otherwise beautiful soul-wrenching write up

No one has authority just on its own
The sooner, we consider and realise we are all accountable to something else, the better it is

It is pointless to rely on the power of your words alone
because words not underpinned by the Word is useless
Without the Word, the last sentence makes out like a real house of cards to me!
It lulls one into a false sense of freedom

We do have authority. When the time is full everyman will relate to God on his(as in the person's) own authority rather than through pastors, priests and prophets. He will speak on his own authority and not rely on anyone as we so much do today.
Hebrews 8v 10-11(take note of the bolded)
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest

kkins25:


How can the atheist be asked tk proof his belief in no God. Atheist dont believe in God because they is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Have you heard of the "philosophy of burden"? The burden of proof is on the personna making the claim.
So if you say there is a God then prove it.
If you say there are angels nd demons then prove it. The burden of proof is on the christians and muslims not on the atheist.

We will take a break. Atheists have spin this crap for too long. They are the ones claiming their is a dude called NO-god.
Let them prove it.

THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOW ON ATHEISTS !!!

analize701:

Taaaaaaaaaaaaa. Logicboy can not show his face where Nuclearboy and Viaro are having a discussion. Deepsight knows Viaro. Viaro trashes him like a girl.

***Amalookfortrouble**

What! How dare you?

That fugitive Viaro, who has since gone into hiding. . . . where that nigga by the way?

Ishilove:

Kwantinue looking for trouble. When he comes here screaming like a lady don't complain

What! How dare you! Two days in the box!

DeepSight:


What! How dare you! Two days in the box!

Lmao

DeepSight:


What! How dare you?

That fugitive Viaro, who has since gone into hiding. . . . where that nigga by the way?

He didn't last long in Nairaland. That was when Nairaland had reasonable mines.

kkins25:


How can the atheist be asked tk proof his belief in no God. Atheist dont believe in God because they is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Have you heard of the "philosophy of burden"? The burden of proof is on the personna making the claim.
So if you say there is a God then prove it.
If you say there are angels nd demons then prove it. The burden of proof is on the christians and muslims not on the atheist.

Can you provide evidence that there is no creator of the universe or a mindless eternal universe?

kkins25:


How can the atheist be asked tk proof his belief in no God. Atheist dont believe in God because they is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Have you heard of the "philosophy of burden"? The burden of proof is on the personna making the claim.
So if you say there is a God then prove it.
If you say there are angels nd demons then prove it. The burden of proof is on the christians and muslims not on the atheist.

laughable! so we should just be leaving them cos of "no proof" for their beliefs. How ridiculous that sounds in public, talk more a law court. Maybe i should take it as admission of helplessness!

KingEbukasBlog:


Can you provide evidence that there is no creator of the universe or a mindless eternal universe?

Burden of proof my friend.
I talked to an alien yesterday, prove that i didnt talk to the alien.
Thats how you sound.
Completely illogical.

daveP:
laughable! so we should just be leaving them cos of "no proof" for their beliefs. How ridiculous that sounds in public, talk more a law court. Maybe i should take it as admission of helplessness!

No the joke is on you.

Allah is the God of jesus christ. I know because Allah told me so. Proof me wrong.

analize701:

He didn't last long in Nairaland. That was when Nairaland had reasonable mines.

I really enjoyed sparring with him though.

Sorry Analize that I have been such a jerk towards you this year. I am not always like that.

kkins25:

Burden of proof my friend.
I talked to an alien yesterday, prove that i didnt talk to the alien.
Thats how you sound.
Completely illogical.

Mr man , Can you provide evidence for a universe without a creator ? And stop making inane comments please .

DeepSight:


I really enjoyed sparring with him though.

Sorry Analize that I have been such a jerk towards you this year. I am not always like that.

It's okay. How's the Season going?

kkins25:

Burden of proof my friend.
I talked to an alien yesterday, prove that i didnt talk to the alien.
Thats how you sound.
Completely illogical.

Please see this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/808965/atheism-revisiting-burden-proof

analize701:

It's okay. How's the Season going?

Thank you for being gracious. Its not bad. Cant wait to start off 2018....

DeepSight:


Thank you for being gracious. Its not bad. Cant wait to start off 2018....

There was never any hard feelings.

2018 has began for me already.

Mujtahida:

You see I know her strategy all too well. My moniker sounds Muslim. But I am not a Muslim, never been a Muslim and never will be. I was once a Christian. I was Secretary of my campus fellowship, Secretary of a redeem church. Baptised in the holy Spirit and I have gone through the whole rigmarole of Christianity. I am acquainted with the faith cos I wasn't just a church goer. I sought God, read my Bible, I read the best of Christian authors from the early church, through to Charles Spurgeon, to watchman Nee, Kenneth Hagin, Austin Sparks, listened to Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer etc. Not to boast but if I hide my present beliefs and talk to you about Christianity, other Christians will say it's the Holy Spirit speaking through me. But right now at a point where I don't just believe in the bible God anymore. I am a Deist sort of.
So I don't know why she comes on my post to accuse me of stuffs I know nothing about. There was a time some Christians were mocking Allah. And I intervened pointing out to them that just as they(the Christians) are mocking Allah for being an idol, so also is Jehovah an idol. I concluded by saying let liberty reign, let each worship his own God. That is what this ungracious female is accusing me as attacking Christians.

She cannot withstand the fact that others have a different believe. So once she sees a thread where people are having discussions like we are having, she will try her utmost to create chaos. I have never seen a more mean hearted and uncharitable female. I have had discussions with Christians here and we talked as matured people without bitterness or gripe. I have had enough of her insolence.

You sound like a jilted girl. Get a life.

analize701:

There was never any hard feelings.

2018 has began for me already.

Merci

It's best to ignore those whose stomach is full of bile if you do not want to be poisoned by their toxic bitterness.