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Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:33pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101:Never! Jesus made it clear that he was sent by the father. The father is the one he calls God. If Jesus called someone else his God, how could you argue that he is the same one that he called God. He said that we should pray not to him but to God.If he is the God why didn't people pray to him? Why did he ask his disciples to pray to God rather than him. Do you believe that Jesus felt abandoned? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:45pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: Yes Jesus is Almighty. Ehud, othniel are dead and Jesus is still alive. You said Jesus Ehud and othniel are not savior of the whole world. Maybe they are saviors to watchtower organization alone. The verses don't prove anything. What about the whole chapter? You will not use the preceding and succeeding verses in that same chapter. These people saved the Israelites when they had issues with other nations. They where held captive. We didn't cry to God before he gave Jesus Christ. We are not held in captivity but still Jesus is savior. O boy use another line. Another watchtower Assumption: Jehovah used people to help Israelites win wars. These people saved isrealites from captivity. Therefore Jehovah can raise anyone to be savior of the whole world. Assumption from this assumption: Jesus is a man just like ehud and othniel who God used to save isreal even if Jehovah says he is savior alone. Question from assumption: Doesn't this mean that God can use any one to save the whole world? Answer from assumption: Yes, the same way Jehovah raised ehud and othniel, he raised Jesus therefore, it is possible that Jesus is not the savior of the whole world so he isn't God Almighty. Your organization keeps looking for a way they can claim savior. They want to give themselves Jesus Status in the Bible. Therefore they look for every means to disregard him. You claim Jesus is not savior yet you maintain the fact that your organization is the only route to salvation and the 7 old men in new york are the only channel of communication between God and man. Your religious organization is just a joke. You dedicate your life to a new York based publishing company who claim they are the only means to salvation and disregard Jesus as being the only means to salvation. We follow the Bible. Jesus is saviour. For God so loved the world, that He gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Believing in ehud and othniel did not lead to everlasting life. Always looking for a way to discredit Jesus. We believe Jesus is our savior and He is the Almighty God. You believe watchtower organization is your savior and Jehovah is the Almighty God and Jesus is not your savior. We teach God said he is the only savior. While you teach that he did not mean it when he said he was the only savior. We teach that Jesus is the only savior of the whole world while you teach that ehud and othniel are saviors of isrealites. So according to your own belief ehud and othniel are your saviors. Your religion is a big joke |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:45pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:on the cross yes cos he had to face the pangs of death alone. U said he called someone else his God but the Bible tells us God called Jesus God too |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:46pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: Please are ehud and othniel the savior of the whole world? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:46pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: Please are ehud and othniel the saviors of the whole world? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:54pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
So, for the sake of logic let us flow with you. John 17:3 Jesus said that he is the only TRUE God. If we can substitute true with another word, we can get appropriate or genuine or accurate. Is there an adjective of that sort used to refer to Jesus? salvation101: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:56pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:No! They were used by Jehovah to save the people at that time. Even in this day, not everyone will be saved. Only those doing the will of Jehovah (his people) will be saved. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:00pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:u r looking for adjective wen jehova confirm Jesus to be God.. The word of God and adjectives, wch should we be looking for.? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:01pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: How is being a husband a superior position and being a wife an inferior position? Jesus is the only savior and creator too. How is being a husband a superior position and being a wife an inferior position? Or how is the position of a wife inferior to that of her husband and the position of a husband superior to that of his wife. Explain and what is the criteria. I ain't circumventing. You will open your wide mouth to say how Jesus is inferior to Jehovah and yet you can't explain the same for a husband and wife. It is no news that your organization has removed all Honor ascribed to Jesus Christ. Your organization doesn't see Jesus Christ as savior yet see themselves as savior. They don't see Jesus Christ as mediator for every body but only the so called anointed ones(any Jehovah witness that eats of the bread and drinks of the wine during memorial) and governing body. So when the 7 old men in new York tell you Jesus Christ is not God Almighty, you swallow because to you the only savior you know is a business publishing company called watchtower organization. T |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Peacefullove: 2:04pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101: God called humans God too: Ye are GODS . so ? Yahweh never call anyone " MY God " , But Jesus still acknowledge someone as My God . Proving he isn't supreme. to be called Almighty God . 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:04pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: Do you believe Jesus Christ is the savior of the whole world? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Peacefullove: 2:08pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101: who also. confirm humans to be GODS ? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:Absolutely! John 3:17 New International Version For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world [b]through [/b]him. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
That is another good point emphasized there. Peacefullove: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
thank you. when last did I remind you to stay on the topic? Hairyrapunzel: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:15pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
@peacefullove, u only wasting ur time on my mention.. As far as am concerned, u ain't ready for a conversation with me and so i av to ignore you.. I'd rather answer 100 question from removetheturban than answer 1 more of ur questions...even though me nd him are not yet on d same page on the subject matter, he is still honorable enough to provide honest answers to my questions.. U can keep mentioning anyway but let it not come as a surprise if u don't get any reply |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:15pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101:He did not confirm. You translation is the confusion here. The Bible actually says God is your throne. He was made a king and he was also created. How could God call refer to him as God when he himself said that there is only one true God. The translations are done by Trinitarian's publisher and you have seen firsthand how they have tried to enforce their beliefs by inserting spurious texts into the Bible and remove vital words from the Bible. Why did Nicodemus say to Jesus that he came from God in John 3:2 ? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:17pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: Is Jesus the savior of the whole world? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:26pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban: Just like the way the word Jehovah was invented by trinitarians. Just like the way the trinitarians then knew jehovah wasn't the actual name in english. You people that inserted Jehovah over 200 times in the new testament when it was never mentioned. Always assuming. Your bible that they wrote using your magazine you have never talked about it. Or is it that your bible no Hebrew or Greek scholar translated? When your organization uses the word Jehovah which was invented by trinitarians and these trinitarians are not sure of the name we won't see you say its a spurious text When what trinitarians use what you don't agree with it is spurious. When trinitarians use words not in your bible it becomes spurious. Your religion is a big joke |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:32pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
haha You sound very frustrated. Initially you told salvation101 that you were a JW. But we know former JW from their knowledge. They may not be with us anymore but they cannot go below the low because they know stuff. Therefore, focus on me or my message and not an organization. What do you believe to be the actual name of God? Hairyrapunzel: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Peacefullove: 2:36pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101: Infact your response may not be needed . So far you are getting an objective view of the subject matter . |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:45pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:hmm, so there is a problem with the translation? Ok was about dis.. We should not commit sexual sins as some of them did. In one day 23,000 of them died because of their sin. We should not test Christ as some of them did. Because of that, they were killed by snakes. And don’t complain as some of them did. Because they complained, they were killed by the angel that destroys. 1 Corinthians 10:8-10 ERV We are told that the Israelites tempted christ and were killed by snakes nd we both know the event... I checked up the greek word translated as Christ and its cristos,, so dis is a no brainer |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:50pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101:1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us practice fornication, as some of them committed fornication,+ only to fall, twenty-three thousand [of them] in one day.+ 9 Neither let us put Jehovah*+ to the test, as some of them put [him] to the test,+ only to perish by the serpents.+ 10 Neither be murmurers, just as some of them murmured,+ only to perish by the destroyer. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:tell me the moral justification and basis for interpreting the word Christos as Jehovah 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101:Absolutely! Christ actually means Messiah which is "anointed one" and the Hebrews were expecting the Messiah. So saying Cristos there is a spurious insertion. Because that would have caused confusion to the first century Christians. It also would have rendered Jesus invalid as the Messiah. Matthew 11:3 New Living Translation "Are you the Messiah we've been expecting, or should we keep looking for someone else?" |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:07pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:spurious insertion? U mean in the original Greek or translations? U said Hebrew but dis letter was written to a gentile church in Greece... He warned dem not to make d same mistake the Israelites made by tempting christ. If u say Christ can be used interchangeably as Jehovah den u av already answered the purpose of this thread.. Jesus =God 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:31pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
salvation101:Do not accept or believe anything you see written in Greek online. They are very misleading. Not everything online is real. People have made serious insertions or mistakes in the past but will not admit it so they flow with the deceit. Many Greek words you read online have been contaminated. Some are in modern Greek which do not carry the same significance or sense. Careful and patient research is beneficial. The question is, why is there alternating words used in that Cristos in other versions. It should spark someone's curiosity. I will give you the actual word used there in the original Greek below. μηδὲ Neither ἐκπειράζωμεν may we be testing out τὸν the κύριον, Lord , καθώς according as τινες some αὐτῶν of them ἐπείρασαν, tested, καὶ and ὑπὸ by τῶν the ὄφεων serpents ἀπώλλυντο. they were destroying selves. One thing you have to understand is that the Jews were spread about. They did not only concentrate in Jerusalem at the time. After their release from Captivity, many of them did not return back home. Cyrus the Great made life comfortable for them so people like Daniel, the prophet as well who was advanced in age did not return. They do assemble at the temple every year for Passover for those who were still in touch with the faith. Jesus himself talked about the lost sheep of Israel. You can also recall what happened after the Passover when Peter and the other spoke in tongues. They do come and have acclimatized with other tongues. Some of them had success outside Jerusalem. The Berean "Jews" also in Thessalonica checked the scriptures to ensure that Paul did not bring a corrupted gospel to them. They had their books. That being said, there was no way Paul would have written something contrary to the Hebrew Scripture that it wouldn't have been spotted. The other apostles were still active at the time he wrote this book as well. New American Standard Bible Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. International Standard Version Let's stop putting the Lord to the test, as some of them were doing, and were destroyed by snakes. Aramaic Bible in Plain English Neither should we tempt The Messiah as some of them tempted and serpents destroyed them. GOD'S WORD® Translation We shouldn't put the Lord to the test as some of them did. They were killed by snakes. New American Standard 1977 Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. American Standard Version Neither let us make trial of the Lord, as some of them made trial, and perished by the serpents. English Revised Version Neither let us tempt the Lord, as some of them tempted, and perished by the serpents. Weymouth New Testament And do not let us test the Lord too far, as some of them tested Him and were destroyed by the serpents. World English Bible Neither let us test the Lord, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
I want you to understand that this verse is a narrative of what happened to the Hebrews and not the Christians. Paul is only making a reference to what happened in Numbers Chapter 21. 1 Corinthians 10:5 will give you a proper understanding. salvation101: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by aigboeben(m): 3:51pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:What is the difference between a person and a personality? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by aigboeben(m): 3:54pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
Peacefullove:There is nothing in this post |
Re: Is Jesus God? by aigboeben(m): 4:02pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:Good point? Did he say ye are GODS or gods? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:23pm On Jan 11, 2018 |
removetheturban:I am saying a bad tree cannot produce good fruits. Protestantism is the baby of Catholicism, if the Catholics are bad so are the Protestants |
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