Seun:
Ok, let’s talk about equality.

When a man can marry four wives while a woman can only have one husband, is that equal?

When a man can beat a disobedient wife, but a woman can’t beat a disobedient husband, is that equal?

When a woman’s inheritance is half of what her brothers inherit, is that equal?

When the testimony of 2 women is equal in weight to the testimony of 1 man, is that equal?

When a rape victim is imprisoned in Dubai and her rapist is allowed to leave the country, is that equal?

Seun:
Ok, let’s talk about equality.

When a man can marry four wives while a woman can only have one husband, is that equal?

When a man can beat a disobedient wife, but a woman can’t beat a disobedient husband, is that equal?

When a woman’s inheritance is half of what her brothers inherit, is that equal?

When the testimony of 2 women is equal in weight to the testimony of 1 man, is that equal?

When a rape victim is imprisoned in Dubai and her rapist is allowed to leave the country, is that equal?

vaxx:
A professor in india once says if you want to know the level of civilization of a particular society.......ask for the role of a woman in that society....


Islamic society failed to provide a tangible role for a women and likewise that of christanity.......both see women as a lesser and uninteligent creature.....

Humanistme:


a man can wear perfume but a woman that wears perfume is a LovePeddler

a woman's whole body apart from her hands and face is viewed as a private part therefore she must wear hijab but the same is not expected from men.

a man can marry non Muslims like Jews and Christians but a woman isn't allowed to.

Muhammad also said that a country that has a woman ad a leader is doomed.

enilove:

[s]
The Bible does not teach us to downgrade women.

It is good to say only things you know about.

The tells us to love our wives as we love ourselves.
Ephesians 5:21-33 KJV
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
[22] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their ownsssssssS husbands in every thing.
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
[28] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

If you see any man that does not love his wife, you have seen a failure and a candidate of eternal damnation.[/s]
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enilove:


The Bible does not teach us to downgrade women.

It is good to say only things you know about.

The tells us to love our wives as we love ourselves.
Ephesians 5:21-33 KJV
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
[22] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
[28] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

If you see any man that does not love his wife, you have seen a failure and a candidate of eternal damnation.

vaxx:
since you are novice of your own religion, i shall refer you back to your scriptural book.....the first sin committed by humanity was made by woman.....what does she do? she consume from the tree of knowledge of good and evil....GENESIS 2-3..... base on biblical philosophy
eve shouldn't have consumed from the knowledge tree..... because yhwh intention was to make woman blank and be illiterate for life.. she ate and she was wise ;;;;;


furthermore, there are a lot of verses where st paul subjugate woman in the bible not to talk of the old testament.....this is the reason women will never be nominate for pope position...in the UK. the church of England(Anglican) pass a law that women can now become bishop, immediately over four male married bishop resign to protest against it, even one of them went further to erect a giant bill board that cost about 70 pounce in the street of London that read ''from today Christianity is finished . surprisingly, these four bishop were accepted into catholic church as priest despite married .

tartar9:


GENESIS
3:16 Cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband. 12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife. 19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels. 19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god. 19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk. (So much for “family values”!) 20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again.S 25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK. EXODUS
20:17 Wife as property. 21:4 Wife and children belong to master. 21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without payment of money. 22:18 Kill witches. LEVITICUS
12:1 Childbirth a sin, Women unclean after childbirth. 15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean. 20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions. 21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees. 21:9 Burn daughters. 21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman. NUMBERS
1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count. 5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only. 30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband. 31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves. CH 12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses. DEUTERONOMY
20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder. 22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride. 22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim. 22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated for depreciation of his property. 25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis. 24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry “used” woman. 28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed – eclectic “pro-life” verse! JUDGES
5:30 Women are spoils of war. 14:20 Samson gives wife to another man. 16:1 Samson visits prostitute. CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered. 21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives. 21:21Abducted girls for wives. RUTH Ruth shags Boaz. 1 SAMUEL

15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock. 22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock. 21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women. 2 SAMUEL

5:13 David took many wives and concubines. CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister. 16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father’s concubines. 6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness. 1 KINGS
11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. 2 KINGS 9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel. 2 CHRONICLES
15:13 Put to death unbelievers. 11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines. ESTHER
CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting “bad” example to all other women. PSALMS
51:5 Sinful since conception. 127:3 Sons are heritage from god. 137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks. PROVERBS
CH 5 Beware of wicked women! CH 7 More of the above. 6:24 As above. 31:3 Do not waste strength on women. ISAIAH


3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women. 4:4 Filthy women. 13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants. 19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians) EZEKIEL
9:6-7 Slaughter all including children. CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity… CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters – reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren’t told this story at Sunday school! HOSEA


13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another “pro-life” verse!) NAHUMS
3:4… wanton lust of a harlot… prostitution… witchcraft. 3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face! 3:13… Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh) MATTHEW
5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same? CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins. LUKE

2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus. 2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother. 1 CORINTHIANS
11:2-10… Woman created for man. 14:34 Women must be silent in churches. EPHESIANS
3:22 Slaves must obey in everything. 1

2:11-15 Woman must not have authority…she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing. 5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’ feet. 1 PETER
2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh. 3:1 Wives submit. 3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master. REVELATION
CH 17 Destroy great prostitute. 14:4…they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure

enilove:



This your post above, does it make sense to you?

Seun:
Ok, let’s talk about equality.

When a man can marry four wives while a woman can only have one husband, is that equal?

When a man can beat a disobedient wife, but a woman can’t beat a disobedient husband, is that equal?

When a woman’s inheritance is half of what her brothers inherit, is that equal?

When the testimony of 2 women is equal in weight to the testimony of 1 man, is that equal?

When a rape victim is imprisoned in Dubai and her rapist is allowed to leave the country, is that equal?

Seun:
@Oricha62: If I accepted all your points, that wouldn’t mean that there is equality in Islam. You’d have merely justified the inequality in Islam.

You say that men were allowed to marry poor and widowed women in order to help them, but if that was the concern, men could have been commanded to donate money to poor women and widows in their communities. You don’t have to sleep with a woman before helping her.

You say that men are allowed to marry additional wives so that men won’t divorce their infertile wives in order to marry new wives, but this problem could have been solved by simply forbidding men from divorcing their wives. If your wife is barren, then God doesn’t want you to have kids. Also, if there is equality, why aren’t women allowed to marry more husbands if their first husbands are impotent or infertile?

You say that men are allowed to marry additional wives so they won’t commit adultery. If there is equality, why are women not allowed to marry additional husbands instead of committing adultery? It’s clear that men’s needs and problems are prioritized over women's needs.

You say that polygamy is permitted because there are more women than men, therefore there would be many unmarried women without polygamy. This would have been your best argument if it were true, but it is not true. The population ratio between males and females is roughly 1 to 1. Even Syria, which is currently at war, has a sex ratio of 101 males to 100 females. This means that, by your argument, it is the women of Syria who should be allowed to marry many husbands, so that 1% of Syrian men won’t have to remain unmarried.

In short, there is no good reason to allow men to marry 4 wives and deny women of the same privilege. This inequality is totally unjustified.

tartar9:

Likewise in Islam

A woman can wear gold but a man can't

A woman can wear silk but a man can't

A woman can dance but not the man(makruh)

A man must provide for all the needs not the woman

A man goes to war,not the woman

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Why aren't these also called oppression of men?
Everything must not be seen only with the lens of oppression and subjugation.
We are equal but not the same.

@Seun.

Oricha62:


Thanks so much,I got your questions but two of them are wrong,because ,Islam doesn't command such .
I shall be taken them one after the other for better understanding.

ABOUT MARRIAGE
I will only give you some wisdom behind the issue of marriage.

A man is allowed to marry up to four women for many reasons, benefiting both the man and the women.

Firstly, it may help the women as in the case of the Prophet where he often married poor women or women whose husbands died in battle. This was to help and protect them.

Secondly, as the prophet Abraham (as) married, they may bear the man a child when the first wife cannot. Instead of abandoning a women for her inability to conceive, he marries another and treats them both with justice.
Thirdly,women are more in population compare to men, if a man is only allowed to marry one woman

what will happen to the rest of women around the world?
If your sister or your daughter happened to be among the women that doesn't have husband,How would you feel?
Fourtly, If a woman have four husbands, when she give birth to the baby after the pregnancy ,which husband would claim the pregnancy and the baby?

And lastly, in the case of a man tempted to commit adultery with another women. Instead of this man committing a grave sin, adultury, Allah has given man an ease within his law and allowed man to marry another women. The aim of this is to prevent man and the women from committing a grave sin. Many people look at this law as a selfish addition to men but in fact it is meant as an ease on both men and women; it's not an excuse to 'have fun' with many wives but in fact it is meant to help ease men and women with their way of life.

The creator knows what he create better before allowing such.

Please answer all my questions before we proceed.
But if you agreed with all my explanation,let me know so that we can move to your next question.

SAMBARRY:
I see .keep encouraging marriage out of pity or to "help or protect" the women

tartar9:

Likewise in Islam

A woman can wear gold but a man can't

A woman can wear silk but a man can't

A woman can dance but not the man(makruh)

A man must provide for all the needs not the woman

A man goes to war,not the woman

.
.
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Why aren't these also called oppression of men?
Everything must not be seen only with the lens of oppression and subjugation.
We are equal but not the same.

@Seun.

superhumanist:



This does not sell help the arguments against Islam that claim that Islam treats women as less than men

Regarding the Islamic ruling in which men are not permitted to wear silk/gold but women are, a feminist would argue that it shows that women are taken as ornaments for men. They should be pretty while men should take care of them.

Wearing gold or silk does not change the fact that women struggle to be independent in Islamic society. They can't marry outside the religion. Their testimony is not as valid as a man in court etc.


Going to war or taking care financially of a woman by men only shows that Islam view women as children who cannot fight or take care of themselves.

Oricha62:



Some of The reasons why Muslim women are not allowed to marry non muslim are as follows

It is obligatory upon women to obey their husband in in Islam,if they don't comply with the rules of the husband,they will be sinful.
If the non muslim husband wants forbidden things like eating pork and others, the women will sinful if she obey or not .
In both cases,she is sinful.

superhumanist:


This does not make sense considering that a non-muslim wife too can chose to eat pork or do things that are considered to be haraam.

What a non-muslim husband can do, a non-muslim wife can do also.

tartar9:

Likewise in Islam

A woman can wear gold but a man can't

A woman can wear silk but a man can't

A woman can dance but not the man(makruh)
@Seun.

A man must provide for all the needs not the woman

Lagusta:
Nice points by everyone.....

However, I just want to point out that Islam does not support domestic violence of any form.... Seun please....

Yes, there is a verse of the Qur'an that states the Arabic word أضرب but it won't mean "beat" in the literal context, but would mean "scold" or "reprimand"....

And popular culture puts the man as the head of the home, and to give him full control of the family, so if he sees his wife doing something bad eg keeping bad company, he has the right to reprimand her to stop doing those stuff, that's normal....

Prophet Muhammad never hit his women, none of the companions did so too, if I'm wrong bring evidence....

And Islam raises the status of women far better than other religions.... The only argument everyone has is the issue of hijab and polygamy.... And it's purely unjustifiable (another argument for another day)

true2god:
It's funny that non-muslims in nairaland are teaching Muslims their religion and I am equally amazed that Oga Seun is well 'knowledgeable' in Islam but always pretended otherwise. Well that's a good business strategy.

You said Mohammed never beat his wives, you are very wrong. See hadith below;

Sahih Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

The sahabas also beat their wives:
Sahih Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women '" Muhammad's own wife complained Muslim women were abused worse than other women.

Mohammed's father in laws also slapped their daughters on behalf of Mohammed:

Sahih Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's fathers-in-law (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.

Please always get your facts right.

true2god:
It's funny that non-muslims in nairaland are teaching Muslims their religion and I am equally amazed that Oga Seun is well 'knowledgeable' in Islam but always pretended otherwise. Well that's a good business strategy.

You said Mohammed never beat his wives, you are very wrong. See hadith below;

Sahih Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

The sahabas also beat their wives:
Sahih Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women '" Muhammad's own wife complained Muslim women were abused worse than other women.

Mohammed's father in laws also slapped their daughters on behalf of Mohammed:

Sahih Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's fathers-in-law (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.

Please always get your facts right.

Oricha62:


You lied,
Who is Your oga seun teaching islam ?
The hadith you quote were all false. You are all quoting from your head .

true2god:
You are a fake and a lying student of Islamic online university (IOU). Read and believe your hadith:

Sahih Muslim 4:2127:

He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'Aisha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

Mohammed hit Aisha on the chest. Its in your hadith.

true2god:
You are a fake and a lying student of Islamic online university (IOU). Read and believe your hadith:

Sahih Muslim 4:2127:

He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'Aisha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

Mohammed hit Aisha on the chest. Its in your hadith.

Lagusta:


Well, I have gone through my own Shaheen Muslim, checked and checked again, and I didn't see this hadith in book 4 "the book of prayers"

Since you are spreading false information on nairaland, I would hope the mods give you a lengthy ban....

Take care.....

Oricha62:



Did you read my previous post? Go back and read it before you talk again.

You are not far away from pretending to be a Muslim in order cause trouble.