Seun:
@awesomeJ, have you given up on your primary mission? You said you wouldn’t convert to Islam because you are not religious? Do explain.

On my primary mission, I'm waiting on your Go-ahead.
On not being religious, I'll say it's the way and reasons for which some folks do certain things that define our distinction.
Take prayers for instance,
There are times I do it for 5 minutes, and there are times it lasts for up to an hour.
But there are religious folks who want to always do it for 1 hour because they think it proves their seriousness as Christians, or they hear a preacher set it as a benchmark. You see some checking the time just to make sure.
When I pray for up to an hour or more, it could be due to an excitement in my heart that makes me sing and worship God spontaneously for several minutes, thereafter I talk and even chuckle sometimes have a loud laugh in the course of prayer. I'll use phrases like "you know", that guy I met at the ATM this afternoon" and sorts. because it basically talking to a father. As a matter of fact, if you were my next-door neighbour, you may find it difficult to distinguish when i'm praying sometimes, from when I'm on the phone. So far, I see results, I continue.

Or Tithing, I actually attend two parishes of RCCG. One on the day I have to pay tithe, and the other on most other Sundays. The latter uses customized cards which indicates who pays what, and it's a smaller parish where it's quite easy to figure that out even if you ignore to use the cards. I love to be anonymous when I tithe, and even in certain other things which is why NL is where I spend about 90% of my social media time, and I don't do Whatsaap. So the other parish is about a hundred times bigger, and they have tithe bags which are not customized. so I choose it, and even do a little above the 10% because my motivation is not just the cajoling I get from a Pastor. if it stops working today, I'll quit already.

Fasting. There is a general one ongoing at the moment, but I am not observing it, and I tell whoever asks me in Church. I however have had some days before and during the fasting wherein I fasted.

So the dogmatism, gullibility, hypocrisy and sorts which characterize religion are what I don't exhibit, hence my statement that I am not religious. BUT I LIVE BY FAITH.

I am not saying that my own pattern is the best, and that others are worse off or inferior. I am only stating the pattern that works for me, which nobody else has to adopt.

Seun:
@awesomeJ: Okay. I can’t wait to look into your persuasive and objective evidence.

Seun:
I hereby reject these terms. The last thing I need right now is a distraction. Thanks a million. Feel free to offer your game to others.

you just increased the respect I have for you. An omnipotent God needs his servant to play some game to prove his existence.

awesomeJ:
On my primary mission, I'm waiting on your Go-ahead.
On not being religious, ....

You have failed to answer the question. Before moving on, can we all agree that you don’t have any good reason for not being ready to accept Islam as being true if a Muslim gave you the same testimonies that you want me/atheists to accept as evidence for the truth of Christianity?

awesomeJ:

So you just want to patronize us right? trying to find a middle ground for both parties to settle at? Well that doesn't cut it for me, because it's not like I'm unsure about whom I know God to be as to want a new definition from you regarding Him.

The God that I as a Christian believe in is:
1. A spirit with an eternal existence, no beginning, no end.
2. At some point he spoke words which caused creation to happen. At His word, the supernatural brought every physical thing into existence, the details of some I don't know, whether a bang was involved I don't know, but what I am sure of is if there was a bang, it happened at his command.
3. He created man in His own image. He formed him purely from dust and gave him the breath of life. He also made him superior to every other creation that's ever been or that'll ever be, which is still evident today.
4. He has a son Jesus, who came to bring redemption to man after his fall. And those that argue that God doesn't have a wife, and so he can't have a son. Here is what you should know: That humans need their wives to bear kids doesn't imply that every being needs a wife to have a child.

If musk had christened his Tesla model X a son of Model S, would you say he was wrong because model S was never in the delivery room?
God created some beings and named them angels. He created Jesus as his own begotten son.

5. He will bring this current world to an end some day. There'll be a judgement for everyman the kind if which determines who gets to live in eternal bliss, and who gets an eternal agony.

A typical "Christian". You are rolling in clay, you are getting yourself heavy unnecessarily. You are too focused on Earth (Outer) that you forget the Sky (Inner), you have even forgotten that you have wings to escape your ignorance. You started well by saying, God is an Eternal Spirit, with no beginning and no end. You said his WORD made all things but you couldn't hint on the nature of this WORD. Is the WORD separate from GOD? John tells us that the WORD is GOD itself. It is written somewhere in your Bible, GOD is the ALL IN ALL, in him we have our BEING. Why reduce God to a disadvantaged man? That makes him ugly. Atheism is the wilderness most seekers will have to cross to meet Truth, while religions like the one you subscribe to at the moment is the egypt-slavery you must fight (within you) to escape. And when the Red Sea divides and you cross, you may find yourself where Seun is. But don't remain there.

Seun:

You have failed to answer the question. Before moving on, can we all agree that you don’t have any good reason for not being ready to accept Islam as being true if a Muslim gave you the same testimonies that you want me/atheists to accept as evidence for the truth of Christianity?

Which question did you want an answer to. please restate it for me to answer. I thought you wanted to know what I meant by me saying that I am not religious, and I don't think I failed to answer that. Maybe you skipped my last post.

On why I wouldn't convert to Islam despite hearing an outstanding testimony, well the basic reason is that I am not being a Christian by virtue of anybody's testimony.

I was born into a Christian home, that I didn't have any control over. But as I grew, I had learnt some basic Christian principles, and I apply them to my life without the features of religion which can be choking. So far I have seen results- Peace, health, wellness, prosperity, Joy, Success, excellence, hope of eternal life, which is the only thing that makes my existence worthwhile, etc.

If the human existence was only for a hundred years with no afterlife, I'll sign out of it, it'd be a deal that's too shallow to be worth my while.

LightSpirit:

A typical "Christian". You are rolling in clay, you are getting yourself heavy unnecessarily. You are too focused on Earth (Outer) that you forget the Sky (Inner), you have even forgotten that you have wings to escape your ignorance. You started well by saying, God is an Eternal Spirit, with no beginning and no end. You said his WORD made all things but you couldn't hint on the nature of this WORD. Is the WORD separate from GOD? John tells us that the WORD is GOD itself. It is written somewhere in your Bible, GOD is the ALL IN ALL, in him we have our BEING. Why reduce God to a disadvantaged man? That makes him ugly. Atheism is the wilderness most seekers will have to cross to meet Truth, while religions like the one you subscribe to at the moment is the egypt-slavery you must fight (within you) to escape. And when the Red Sea divides and you cross, you may find yourself where Seun is. But don't remain there.

You're welcome, but no thanks.

Here is what the devil does:
1.He keeps you an atheist;
2. You escape that, he gets you into a wrong religion;
3. You manage to become a Christian, he gets you into the wrong doctrine or belief;
4. You yet escape that, he pressures you to live in sin, despite your sound knowledge and belief.

In the end those who truly stand right are perhaps just in the 95th or an even higher percentile. Which explains the scriptures many are called but few are chosen.

Atheism and all of the other perversions mentioned above are not just the modern age trends, they were in people even during the time of the apostles, and that's no surprise because since the devil knew Jesus could have returned as early as that time, he wouldn't take any chances by having any delays in creating his perversion in people's minds.

darkchild64:

And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down NOW SAMUEL SAID TO SAUL “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

Busted!!!

I'm starting to think this OP has nothing to offer.

Just another noisemaker.

cyborg123:

So... how can a person discover what his unique destiny is?

This is same as asking how to make love... But this is what you have to do. You have to be unclad, most times completely unclad. Only then can LIGHT possess you. LIGHT will be your garment. With it you will penetrate your nights of ignorance. And before you will stand your unique destiny unclad.

TomHagen:
Busted!!!

I'm starting to think this OP has nothing to offer.

Just another noisemaker.

I didn't claim to have an explanation for the Samuel story I only said the spirit that Saul saw might have been one from God or the devil which took on the form of Samuel, hence the reason why Saul saw it as Samuel and why the writer of that portion referred to him as Samuel. I am not making any claims on the accuracy of that thought though.

And even if it was really Samuel's spirit, that still wouldn't qualify as a reincarnation which he quoted me on.
He also mentioned those whose rose at Christ's resurrection. For those folks, that was resurrection which we believe in as Christians. it's different from reincarnation, in that those folks literally rose from their tombs and walked around the places where they were known and buried in. Unlike the reincarnation stories most folks tell, where the tomb of the said dead remains unchanged and the reincarnated beings only appear to live another life in a place where no one knew them before their death. so try to see the difference.

By the way I only mention reincarnation to explain the fact that you shouldn't try twisting people's experience they narrate to you with funny explanations.

iamgenius:
@awesomeJ, You have no proof up there. I'm a Muslim. Atheists are materialistic people, they only believe in Material things of this world. You can't convince them with miracles only. They don't know that every success and failure of this world can be achieved by WORLDY means.

Like if you want to pass an exam you have to read for that. If you don't write the exam well, you may fail. That's what atheists believe in. They forgot that even if you read very well to pass the exam, you may even fail. Anything can hinder your progress or success.

Here are the lists of what can cause one's failure even after reading very well for tests:

1. Psychological imbalance- she read well, understood well, got to the exam hall and began to remember the fight her father fought with her mum that morning, or the divorce suit her parents would go through same day, etc.
2. Bad luck- Got to the exam hall, did it well but his paper got missing physically by falling off unnoticed by the class rep or lecturer.
3. Loss of memory- he read well but exam tension took away what he as already stored in his memory.
4. Bad lecturer/Teacher: he asked her out, she turned him down. He failed her. She was rewriting another course. He told his friend to also fail her because she turned him down. She kept on failing.

...and the list goes on...

No god, be it Yahweh or Allah, can make anybody fail or pass his or her exams, but human beings can make you either pass or fail. #FACT

OtemAtum:


Here are the lists of what can cause one's failure even after reading very well for tests:

1. Psychological imbalance- she read well, understood well, got to the exam hall and began to remember the fight her father fought with her mum that morning, or the divorce suit her parents would go through same day, etc.
2. Bad luck- Got to the exam hall, did it well but his paper got missing physically by falling off unnoticed by the class rep or lecturer.
3. Loss of memory- he read well but exam tension took away what he as already stored in his memory.
4. Bad lecturer/Teacher: he asked her out, she turned him down. He failed her. She was rewriting another course. He told his friend to also fail her because she turned him down. She kept on failing.

...and the list goes on...

No god, be it Yahweh or Allah, can make anybody fail or pass his or her exams, but human beings can make you either pass or fail. #FACT

Oh, great.
How about for a course in engineering which stopped about 16 out of about 90 students from graduating in the session before your final year.
Now, it's your own final year, you are to take the course, you're aware of how challenging it can be, you see those 16 students taking some lectures with you now, and you're aware what the course did to them in the prior year. Throughout the semester you made efforts at attending some of the lectures, and you went through a few portions of the course material and past questions. One day to the exam it was very clear to you that you weren't prepared to even scale 20% of the exam. So you spoke with some of the brightest folks in the class to have a tutorial organized for it the night before the exam. the exam would be for 8:30 the following morning.
Now that evening before the tutorial, you had to be in church for finance convention, and against your projection, pastor taught for quite long. so by the time you got to the tutorial venue, you were surprised to see that quite a number of folks made it but you could only be there for 30minutes, as they were already rounding up. The next morning, before the exam, you had to be in church for early morning worship. And owing to how late you left church and a little early morning traffic, you got to the exam hall about 20minutes into the exam.

In the end, you made an A despite your poor preparations, please tell me what factors made you score an A.
Also note that in that very semester when you chose to pay the most attention to church stuffs, you actually had As in 7out of the 8courses graded, giving you thee best GPA in the class.

And just before you think it's smartness or a lenient grading system, note that there had been semesters when you had 3.85/5.00, 3.27/5.00, 3.43/5.00, and at a time only about 10 students out of 85 in the class had a CGPA of 3.50 or higher.

OtemAtum:


Here are the lists of what can cause one's failure even after reading very well for tests:

1. Psychological imbalance- she read well, understood well, got to the exam hall and began to remember the fight her father fought with her mum that morning, or the divorce suit her parents would go through same day, etc.
2. Bad luck- Got to the exam hall, did it well but his paper got missing physically by falling off unnoticed by the class rep or lecturer.
3. Loss of memory- he read well but exam tension took away what he as already stored in his memory.
4. Bad lecturer/Teacher: he asked her out, she turned him down. He failed her. She was rewriting another course. He told his friend to also fail her because she turned him down. She kept on failing.

...and the list goes on...

No god, be it Yahweh or Allah, can make anybody fail or pass his or her exams, but human beings can make you either pass or fail. #FACT

I have never really being to this section before, but I find your arguments intriguing

So in essence, you believe there is no spiritual entity in the world,? you believe everything can be explained with logic and science?

Are you a Nigerian?

Seun, I can't beg you to repent and accept Jesus. Whether you believe or not, when you die,there's no transmigration(It's false) you won't be reborn. There was a time i was sick,very sick. I tried drugs,it didn't work. I had headache,sorethroat,malaria,cough,I couldn't sleep. Jesus,i could hardly turn my neck. I was hot, I lost my voice. I did away with the drugs and wished the world to end that instant. But Jesus healed me. A pastor prayed for me. I just felt peace. It was so unexplainable. Seun, Jesus is the ONLY saviour. If you don't believe this testimony,then i'm certain you won't believe my other testimony.
No matter how rich you are,if you don't have Jesus,you are miserable!
Ps: you are entitled/proned to believe this testimony or just ignore but this is my experience that's why talks concerning atheists don't move me.
You haven't opened your heart to seek GOD...and except if you trying to hide it,there's something you are desperately in need of.

awesomeJ:
Finally was this couple. Theirs was most overwhelming.
Got married in 2013, and despite much expectations, there were no babies. So in 2014, the husband suggested that they went for medical check up (you probably don't think Christians do).

After all the examinations, they found two fundamental issues wrong with the wife's reproductive system:
1. Her ovaries were not functioning.
2. Her womb was too small at 5 inches versus 6-7 inches that women should have. So it was too small, it wouldn't hold a baby.

So basically, all hope was lost for them medically, if there were any ways around it, I'm sure the doctors would have informed them, but surely, there wasn't.

So the couple took a step of faith, and emptied their bank accounts to the church, and by faith they exchanged the doctors' report for that seed.

Then in 2016, During one of the combined services at the redemption camp, Daddy Adeboye told people to pray that if there was any part of their bodies that wasn't functioning well, God should fix, and if it isn't fixable, God who has the spares should replace, she prayed that prayer, and months after in February 2018, They were standing in front of the congregation with their bouncing set of twins.

The womb that was measured to be too small to hold one baby held two -a boy and a girl safely for nine months.
Mind you, their prior experience validates the doctors' report, so don't bring the argument about doctors being wrong. plus measuring womb size and detecting nonfunctional ovaries are not things doctors can be easily wrong about.

It didn't end there.

After delivery the doctors examined the girl, and found that she had a low sugar level, the husband used the anointing oil on her and an anointed handkerchief as well, 2 hours later, the sugar level was normal. The baby boy was also said to have Jaundice, the husband used the anointing oil and handkerchief on him as well, and 3 hours later, the Jaundice was gone from the boy?

Tell me Seun, how would you question such a testimony?

Just give it up already bro. Yours is the most incoherent and halfwitted argument I have ever read my entire life, both as a former Christian and an agnostic, no insult intended. You want to convince an atheist with a possible occurrence of life that he can easily get numerous explanations to (from google)? My last child came with jaundice too and all his doctor gave us is a "lamp" that cleared the excess bilirubin from his system, guess I should continue serving her god of science then.

Soflex:


Just give it up already bro. Yours is the most incoherent and halfwitted argument I have ever read my entire life, both as a former Christian and an agnostic, no insult intended. You want to convince an atheist with a possible occurrence of life that he can easily get numerous explanations to (from google)? My last child came with jaundice too and all his doctor gave us is a "lamp" that clear the excess bilirubin from his system, guess I should continue serving her god of science then.

You are very welcome.
Did I mention anywhere that it was the Doctors' efforts that cleared this particular jaundice? or can you paste the link to the web page where it's be proven that putting olive oil on a baby and touching him with a white piece of cloth clears jaundice in 3 hours. You will hear of a supernatural experience, and rather than paying the due attention to its narration, you'll get in so much of a hurry to twist it by bringing a comparison that doesn't follow. What's MH business with doctors healing your baby's Jaundice? The one I shared is special because it got healed in 3 hours without any doctor's effort.

Deckline:
Seun, I can't beg you to repent and accept Jesus. Whether you believe or not, when you die,there's no transmigration(It's false) you won't be reborn. There was a time i was sick,very sick. I tried drugs,it didn't work. I had headache,sorethroat,malaria,cough,I couldn't sleep. Jesus,i could hardly turn my neck. I was hot, I lost my voice. I did away with the drugs and wished the world to end that instant. But Jesus healed me. A pastor prayed for me. I just felt peace. It was so unexplainable. Seun, Jesus is the ONLY saviour. If you don't believe this testimony,then i'm certain you won't believe my other testimony.
No matter how rich you are,if you don't have Jesus,you are miserable!
Ps: you are entitled/proned to believe this testimony or just ignore but this is my experience that's why talks concerning atheists don't move me.
You haven't opened your heart to seek GOD...and except if you trying to hide it,there's something you are desperately in need of.

Is it by force to be a Christian, we don't believe in Jewish myths,how is this a problem,u don't believe in Allah,not Krishna,nobody is putting a rope around your neck for that, but another fellow says he doesn't believe in ur "God" and u re throwing a tantrum,u Christians should even ask ourselves the purpose of this sought of useless messages,we are moving forward and not backwards, Africans are starting to use their brains,if you want ur life to be shaped by an iron age book and belief good luck with that but we are not going with u on that train

awesomeJ:

I didn't claim to have an explanation for the Samuel story I only said the spirit that Saul saw might have been one from God or the devil which took on the form of Samuel, hence the reason why Saul saw it as Samuel and why the writer of that portion referred to him as Samuel. I am not making any claims on the accuracy of that thought though.

And even if it was really Samuel's spirit, that still wouldn't qualify as a reincarnation which he quoted me on.
He also mentioned those whose rose at Christ's resurrection. For those folks, that was resurrection which we believe in as Christians. it's different from reincarnation, in that those folks literally rose from their tombs and walked around the places where they were known and buried in. Unlike the reincarnation stories most folks tell, where the tomb of the said dead remains unchanged and the reincarnated beings only appear to live another life in a place where no one knew them before their death. so try to see the difference.

By the way I only mention reincarnation to explain the fact that you shouldn't try twisting people's experience they narrate to you with funny explanations.

This was unnecessary.

In fact, your need to respond to every Tom, Dick, and Harry tells me you have nothing of substance.

Stay on course.

Your thread is five pages and nothing has been achieved.

greiboy:
I have never really being to this section before, but I find your arguments intriguing

So in essence, you believe there is no spiritual entity in the world,? you believe everything can be explained with logic and science?

Are you a Nigerian?

Do you believe there is a jungle? If yes, do you believe that the lions and tigers in the jungle are the ones controlling the life outside the jungle.

That a spiritual world exist does not mean that this physical world is solely controlled by the species who live there. As a matter of fact, our own actions here have more impact on the spiritual world than how theirs affect ours. How about that?

I have seen the spiritual world several times and I won't hype them, they are minding their own business most of the time. They are way more advanced than pokenosing into petty issues of our earthly life such as education, examination, sexual life, etc. It's we here on earth that need to wisen up and accept responsibilities.

TomHagen:
This was unnecessary.

In fact, your need to respond to every Tom, Dick, and Harry tells me you have nothing of substance.

Stay on course.

Your thread is five pages and nothing has been achieved.

It's alright to respond to everyone to get their misconceptions cleared. I trust you would have taken silence to mean lack of explanations. Now you're getting answers and you think you should rather complain.

Don't worry about judging what or what not the thread is achieving. Just tag along, and when you've had enough, move away to another. The thread will eventually end some place, somewhere some time.

darkchild64:


Is it by force to be a Christian, we don't believe in Jewish myths,how is this a problem,u don't believe in Allah,not Krishna,nobody is putting a rope around your neck for that, but another fellow says he doesn't believe in ur "God" and u re throwing a tantrum,u Christians should even ask ourselves the purpose of this sought of useless messages,we are moving forward and not backwards, Africans are starting to use their brains,if you want ur life to be shaped by an iron age book and belief good luck with that but we are not going with u on that train

Goodluck... Darkchild. I didn't beg you or compel you to accept.
#shallom.

wirinet:


Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.

A personal experience will do;I've seen lots of atheist confessing Jesus Christ at the tail end of their lives.

Tolktob:

A personal experience will do;I've seen lots of atheist confessing Jesus Christ at the tail end of their lives.

They won't believe. The bible says "The prince of this world has darkened the eyes of their understanding..."
Peter already foretold the coming of the scoffers.. Paul foretold the rebellion of men and the coming of the anti christ. These shouldn't amaze us as christians because we are already aware.
Its just a matter of time.

awesomeJ:


Oh, great.
How about for a course in engineering which stopped about 16 out of about 90 students from graduating in the session before your final year.
Now, it's your own final year, you are to take the course, you're aware of how challenging it can be, you see those 16 students taking some lectures with you now, and you're aware what the course did to them in the prior year. Throughout the semester you made efforts at attending some of the lectures, and you went through a few portions of the course material and past questions. One day to the exam it was very clear to you that you weren't prepared to even scale 20% of the exam. So you spoke with some of the brightest folks in the class to have a tutorial organized for it the night before the exam. the exam would be for 8:30 the following morning.
Now that evening before the tutorial, you had to be in church for finance convention, and against your projection, pastor taught for quite long. so by the time you got to the tutorial venue, you were surprised to see that quite a number of folks made it but you could only be there for 30minutes, as they were already rounding up. The next morning, before the exam, you had to be in church for early morning worship. And owing to how late you left church and a little early morning traffic, you got to the exam hall about 20minutes into the exam.

In the end, you made an A despite your poor preparations, please tell me what factors made you score an A.
Also note that in that very semester when you chose to pay the most attention to church stuffs, you actually had As in 7out of the 8courses graded, giving you thee best GPA in the class.

And just before you think it's smartness or a lenient grading system, note that there had been semesters when you had 3.85/5.00, 3.27/5.00, 3.43/5.00, and at a time only about 10 students out of 85 in the class had a CGPA of 3.50 or higher.

If this happened to 1 out of 20 spiricoco in my church, it is called coincidence, but if it happened to all the 20 spiricoco in the church, then I can start having a rethink.

As a matter of fact, that brother whom you describe above is someone like me. Even when I had A's I had it when I was least prepared. I dont read for the whole semester. I read only very close to exam period and i still get A's in some subjects. It is my way of doing things. If i read from the beginning of the semester, I will forget what I av read before writing any test or exam.

Now someone will see me and start thinking that I got my A's because of one thing, one thing. I pity the person. It's only I who know myself that I KNOW HOW TO ASSIMILATE UNDER PRESSURE WHEN EXAM IS CLOSE.

The best thing is to discover yourself and follow it. Don't go and be thinking that doing church things is the reason why one bro somewhere did very well and you want to try it too. What if bro is just like me, who can assimilate within few hours to exams but can't assimilate when exams are still far away? I pity person wey wan copy me. He or she go just 'larimo'

note: I have heard the lamentations of many church people who said that they did as the bro above did when they were in school, but they failed woefully and are regretting it today.

In summary, we are different in the manner we assimilate. Some can grab within few hours while some have to attend all lectures, tutorials and still read overnight before they can pass. Some even can pass by mere attending lectures and listening to the lecturers without going back to their notes.

IF ALL THE WORKERS, SAY ABOUT 50 OF THEM, IN A PARTICULAR CAMPUS FELLOWSHIP CAN MAKE SUCH GOOD RESULT AS YOU DESCRIBE ABOVE AFTER SPENDING TIME IN CHURCH ACTIVITIES, THEN I WILL HAVE NO REASON NOT BELIEVING THAT IT IS THE WORK OF A god(Yahweh).

But if it is 2 or 3 out of the fifty of them, then it has nothing to do with any god, but the capability and the personalities of those people.

Tolktob:

A personal experience will do;I've seen lots of atheist confessing Jesus Christ at the tail end of their lives.

I have also seen lots of Christians confessing Lucifer at the tail end of their lives

OtemAtum:
Do you believe there is a jungle? If yes, do you believe that the lions and tigers in the jungle are the ones controlling the life outside the jungle.

That a spiritual world exist does not mean that this physical world is solely controlled by the species who live there. As a matter of fact, our own actions here have more impact on the spiritual world than how theirs affect ours. How about that?

I have seen the spiritual world several times and I won't hype them, they are minding their own business most of the time. They are way more advanced than pokenosing into petty issues of our earthly life such as education, examination, sexual life, etc. It's we here on earth that need to wisen up and accept responsibilities.

1) The interaction btw the jungle and civilization is quite different from the interaction btw humans and spirituality. Humans were originally part of the jungle and are superior animal to other animals,

Civilization evolved from jungles and it is the natural progression of humanity that have taken us out of the forest(jungle). Therefore, the lions and tiger cannot control us because we have restricted them to their current location

On the other hand, humans constantly interact with spirits, and there is no empirical evidence to suggest that humans evolved from spirits. Except religion which you don't believe in

Thus, your logic doesn't track

2) The fact that we interact with spirits like you have pointed out shows that we are constantly connected with the spiritual word i.e. having a relationship with the spiritual word. So how can there be a relationship btw the spiritual word and humans without us impacting each other?

3) I brought up the spirituality because I wanted you to use logic and science to explain its existence, since you have countered another possible supernatural phenomenon with logic.

Deckline:

They won't believe. The bible says "The prince of this world has darkened the eyes of their understanding..."
Peter already foretold the coming of the scoffers.. Paul foretold the rebellion of men and the coming of the anti christ. These shouldn't amaze us as christians because we are already aware.
Its just a matter of time.

Nobody comes encounter with God and remain the same,is either you're worse off or you're better off..more reason why I said a personal experience will do. You cannot write any man off until their last breath even with that God might still have mercy on them in the grave,who knows they may be among those that do goods to the believers.

chemystery:

I have also seen lots of Christians confessing Lucifer at the tail end of their lives

They're aren't a true Christian in the first instance,they might be a professor and not a possessor.If they're truly a possessor there's nothing that can separate them from the love of God.

awesomeJ:

You are very welcome.
Did I mention anywhere that it was the Doctors' efforts that cleared this particular jaundice? or can you paste the link to the web page where it's be proven that putting olive oil on a baby and touching him with a white piece of cloth clears jaundice in 3 hours. You will hear of a supernatural experience, and rather than paying the due attention to its narration, you'll get in so much of a hurry to twist it by bringing a comparison that doesn't follow. What's MH business with doctors healing your baby's Jaundice? The one I shared is special because it got healed in 3 hours without any doctor's effort.

No doctor's effort as well, just the scientifically designed lamp. Yea, it may be special to you the same way phototherapy curing my child in 3 days was to me. There's no need paying unnecessary due attention to any illogical/fictitious story or well-orchestrated dramas. I've been where you are bro, super-zealous, tongue speaking demon chasing blah blah blah......attributing what not to. Just an advice bro, make out time to watch Grey's Anatomy (it's just 14 seasons so far ), be open-minded about life in general and stop persuading people to take up your religion (most times it's counterproductive). There are 1000s of religions in the world and if yours is the best, let your life preach it and convince others. Peradventure you compulsorily need to 'win souls', come up with some super convincing facts to do so. To the best of my knowledge (facts) christians live, die, go through the same ups and downs of life just as the remaining 6 billion unbelievers. So allow the latter to stick with their choices....the almighty God gave us that much of freedom of choice (free will) if you will agree with me.

Soflex:


No doctor's effort as well, just the scientifically designed lamp. Yea, it may be special to you the same way phototherapy curing my child in 3 days was to me. There's no need paying unnecessary due attention to any illogical/fictitious story or well-orchestrated dramas. I've been where you are bro, super-zealous, tongue speaking demon chasing blah blah blah......attributing what not to. Just an advice bro, make out time to watch Grey's Anatomy (it's just 14 seasons so far ), be open-minded about life in general and stop persuading people to take up your religion (most times it's counterproductive). There are 1000s of religions in the world and if yours is the best, let your life preach it and convince others. Peradventure you compulsorily need to 'win souls', come up with some super convincing facts to do so. To the best of my knowledge (facts) christians live, die, go through the same ups and downs of life just as the remaining 6 billion unbelievers. So allow the latter to stick with their choices....the almighty God gave us that much of freedom of choice (free will) if you will agree with me.

religion is harmful.
Stop going to church and paying tithes.