DeSepiero:


The bible verses you quoted are apparently the opinions of King Solomon, John and Apostle Paul.

Why do you think Satan is father of lies? Because John 8:44 suggests say's so? How did Satan lie in the beginning because I'm not sure he did.

Jfrankination:

this guy sev, we sabi say u be Atheist, e don do nah u too dey disturb, u can't change the mindset of believers to see things in ur own perspective.
i didn't even read ur long epistle

johnw74:

Yes i do believe God's word

DeSepiero:


That was John talking not God

johnw74:


It was Jesus talking, John wrote it down:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

also concerning God's word the Bible:

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

DeSepiero:


If Satan is father of lies, highlight at least 3 bible verses where he lied.

johnw74:


so you don't believe Jesus words, to bad for you

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw74:


the commandment only mentioned lying against other people
but other Bible verses show that all lies are bad:

Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



God cannot lie, ... satan is the father of lies



God cannot lie:
Tit_1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Heb_6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:




satan is the father of lies:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

awesomeJ:

Well, if you take such a perspective of the scenario, it'd seem that YAHWEH was being wicked, and you would have done better if things were up to you.

But the fact is, that's an utterly wrong perspective you're having of Him. If He were as wicked as you're trying to portray Him to be? Why would our acts as Christians be anything short of wickedness? as that would be the only way we'd be able to serve a please a supposedly wicked god right?

The killings at Jericho was a punishment for the sins the people in it had committed at the time. So it was with the Sodomites, Amalekites, the entire world during the days of Noah, and so it will be with the entire world at the return of Christ.

DeSepiero:


You failed!!

Don't you get it? John only said that Satan is a liar in that verse. How did John know that Satan is a liar? What made him to say it?

Provide the verses where Satan actually lied.

johnw74:


you don't believe the verses i have posted
you don't believe jesus
and you want me to post verses to prove something to you

you man are nutso

DeSepiero:




You couldn't show where Satan lied in the bible yet you call him father of liars.

Poor bible dummy.

johnw74:


i didn't know you were a young girl
i didn't mean to make you cry

johnw74:


i didn't know you were a young girl
i didn't mean to make you cry

hopefulLandlord:


No need getting upset just because you couldn't answer a simple question

DeSepiero:




Try to look for bible verses where Satan lied. Don't try to start trading insults. Can't you find any?

OLAADEGBU:
Contradictions in the bible - A righteous lie?

Was Rahab praised for lying in James 2:25 when lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments?

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/a-righteous-lie/

UnchangeableGod:
"Thou shall not bear false witness" means thou shall not lie. Rahab was a sinner as at the time she saved the Isrseli spies. She was a harlot as at then. So a sinner just have to sin. The Bible did not praise Rahab for her sin of lying. Rather, the Scriptures only praised her faith in the God of Israel which made her to risk committing 'treason' in order to save God's ambassadors (although they were strangers) believing that she and her household would be rewarded and protected by the Israeli God. She had faith in God which she put into action. That is the point. There are things a believer can learn from unbelievers.

AlfaSeltzer:
All these biblical oloshos are not examples to be set for our young girls.

Get away from xtianity. Get away from foreign religion.

Seun:

No, it suggests that the Ten Commandments are not the timeless moral standard that they are made out to be. They were written for ancient Jews and not for modern Christians.

It says “don’t give false testimonies” instead of “don’t lie” because their entire legal system was based on testimonies. There was nothing like “forensic evidence”, “dna testing”, “checking alibis”, “defense attorneys” or “innocent until proven guilty”. If any two or three people (i.e. Jewish men) falsely accused you of murder, you would almost certainly be stoned to death.

If God existed, he would have taught them a thing or two about forensics because the commandment didn’t stop bad people from giving false testimonies. Modern research has shown that even honest testimonies are not very reliable because people often remember things incorrectly.

Seun:

"Neighbour" in the old testament usually means a fellow Jew who worships the same God. That's why the same God that said "love your neighbour as yourself" also led Joshua to kill all the babies in Jericho, a city that never attacked the Israelites. An unprovoked genocide.

Emmanystone:

Good News Translation Revelation 21:8 But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practice magic, those who worship idols, and all liars—the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

hopefulLandlord:


The 10 commandments are written in the book of revelations

Se.un is asking where lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments as asserted by Olaadegbu in the OP

Emmanystone:

Thou shall not bare false witness against someone is 'Thou shall not lie against someone.

hopefulLandlord:

Which is exactly Se.un's point!

"Bearing false witness" is, simply put, a type of lie but one can easily lie without bearing false witness

hopefulLandlord:

If the federal government Bans Hockey in Nigeria, it doesn't mean the government banned "Sports" as one can still partake in many other sports without playing Hockey and it would be perfectly legal. that's because Hockey is just type of sport

hopefulLandlord:

FG's ban on Gay marriage doesn't mean they're banning marriage as a whole but rather banning a specific type of marriage

hopefulLandlord:

I think OlaadegbthoughtsAlying is prohibited in the 10 commandments is definitely not true

Emmanystone:

Brother Hope, a lie is lie. Lying has no types. All lies are lies with the same motive to distract, decieve, misinform, mislead, pervert and hurt someone directly or indirectly.
S.uen knows exactly what he is saying.

Funny analogy. So i can steal but when asked i can lie about it since i'm not putting it on aomeone?

This is like saying, you can sin, but don't lie? Wow. Lying is a sin. Don't do it.

Yeah, still saying, you can Masturbate, but don't have sex. Very ingenious.

Good a thing you said 'You think'. Your thougjts don't count here sir.

The Bible is all against lying from Adam to the last man. Liars will not inherit the kingdom of God because lying is Satan's nature.

hopefulLandlord:


The 10 commandments are written in the book of revelations

Se.un is asking where lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments as asserted by Olaadegbu in the OP

hopefulLandlord:


Which is exactly Se.un's point!

"Bearing false witness" is, simply put, a type of lie but one can easily lie without bearing false witness
If the federal government Bans Hockey in Nigeria, it doesn't mean the government banned "Sports" as one can still partake in many other sports without playing Hockey and it would be perfectly legal. that's because Hockey is just type of sport

FG's ban on Gay marriage doesn't mean they're banning marriage as a whole but rather banning a specific type of marriage

I think Olaadegbu saying lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments is definitely not true

johnw74:







God commanded: not to bear false witness against thy neighbour
of course this means not to bear untruthful testimony against thy neighbour, not to lie against thy neighbour

the commandment only mentions lying agains thy neighbour, but when you take in the very many verses in the Bible against lying, it is true that we are not to lie any lie at all

solomon said lying lips are an abomination to the Lord

so what makes sense here:

lying lips are an abomination to the lord, thou shalt not lie

or:

lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but there is only one lie thou shalt not do



Exo_20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:

hopefulLandlord:


Bros I would prefer your following a discussion and not muddle things up to fit your preconceived notions

1. Olaadegbu asserted in the OP that "lying" is prohibited in the "10 commandments"

2. Seun challenged that claim by asking where it is prohibited

3. The number 9th commandment was given as the answer

4. Seun challenged that claim by explaining - clearly - why it doesn't prohibit lying but a specific type of lying

if you have to bring proverbs and Revelation into it then you've tacitly admitted lying is not prohibited in the ten commandments! If Olaadegbu had said "The bible is against lying" then your explanations would've jived


Let me give you an example

My Girlfriend asks me "HopefulLandlord, have you eaten today?" I replied "No! Amy" even though I've actually eaten and I infact just ate an hour before she asked me the question

Johnw74, Did I lie? Yes/No?

Did I bear "False witness/testimony" against my neighbor? Yes/No?

johnw74:

please save your riddles for children
lying lips are abomination to the lord = thou shalt not lie
Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:

johnw74:


please save your riddles for children

lying lips are abomination to the lord = thou shalt not lie

Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:

hopefulLandlord:


its good to know that the ten commandments are written in the book of proverbs

hopefulLandlord:


its good to know that the ten commandments are written in the book of proverbs

I hope - for your sake - you're just being dishonest