CharlieMaria:

He was only speaking against pride in that passage, do not translate the scriptures literally...

So who is to translate it for us Daddy GOs?
Are there any times when we can translate it literally and how do we know these occasions?

Acehart:


Not my spiritual father, my spiritual father!

What you quoted was a popular metaphor in Israel exclaimed by Elisha and Joash meaning "My father, the real strength and power of Israel against its foes".

Paul and John never referred to themselves as spiritual fathers but used the word 'father' in the sense of father in the faith. Our only father in the spirit is Christ Jesus.

Again, Saint Paul refers to himself as the father of believers in 1 Corinthians 4;14-15, “I am not writing this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

PAGAN9JA:
jesus sucks. who the hell is he? that tithe extortionist.

Sorry, but are you not tired of doing the same thing over and over on all threads like this? I am just asking.

I will like to know what you are trying to achieve.

Ojukwu24:


Sorry, but are you not tired of doing the same thing over and over on all threads like this? I am just asking.

I will like to know what you are trying to achieve.

I'm trying to make people realise that christianity is a scam and the only way is through the Gods (Alusi) of our forefathers.

The sad part is you have to keep reiterating the same like what the missionaries did to our fathers until the messages hits home.

InansBobo:
Again, Saint Paul refers to himself as the father of believers in 1 Corinthians 4;14-15, “I am not writing this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

You are correct but you did not write initially to correct the guy who put up this topic and your initial response was not sufficient. The topic seems to address the norm where men have the 'title' - spiritual father. Paul didn't put it as a title. He wouldn't have wanted any one to.

CharlieMaria:

1. To understand what Jesus meant, we have to review 5 consecutive verses, not just 1 as is done by those who distort the Sacred Words of the Lord Jesus. In Matthew 23:8-12, Jesus said, “But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students. And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father, the one in Heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Messiah. The great among you will be your servant. All who exalt themselves will be humbled, and all who humble themselves will be exalted.”

When carefully examining the above verses, we see that Jesus did not only condemn the usage of the word “father,” but He also condemned the usage of the words “rabbi” and “instructors.” Why? It is because the Jewish leaders “loved to have the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues, and to be greeted with respect in the market places, and to have people call them rabbi.” [Matthew 23:6-7] Jesus was condemning the Pharisees who were so full of pride, that they were doing all what was possible to achieve fame, success, rank. Their proud hearts were completely corrupt.

The Pharisees had elevated themselves above God as the ultimate authorities, as father image and teachers. Lacking humility, they failed to humbly look up to God as the source of all authority, fatherhood and teaching.

2. If we are to discontinue the usage of the word “father,” then we also have to discontinue using the word “doctor.” For “doctor” means a religious teacher, an adviser, a scholar, an instructor. The word doctor is Latin for the word “teacher.” It comes from doct-stem of docere which means “to show, teach,"

While it appears that Jesus condemned the usage of the word “teacher” in the above verses, in Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus appointed some men to be teachers of His Church. “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you.” It can be concluded that Jesus was not condemning the usage of the word “father,” “teacher,” or “rabbi.” He was telling the Pharisees to humble themselves and to stop seeking those titles for themselves.

3. If we are to condemn the usage of the word father, that means to deny every child in the world the right to make reference to his/her biological father. It means all the children will never be able to express that they love their father because such would be condemned.

4. If we are to condemn the usage of the word father, then no one would have the right to speak of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God the Father would become meaningless since it would be forbidden to refer to Him. The concept of Divine fatherhood would be none existent.

5. In the New Testament, there are numerous reference to the usage of the word “father.” In Acts 7:2-4, Stephen refers to the ancestors of Abraham, the word “father” being used. In Philippians 2:22, Paul said, “But Timothy’s worth you know, how like a son with a father he has served with me in the work of the gospel.” St. Paul refers to himself as a spiritual father in Philemon 10, “I am appealing to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become during my imprisonment.

Again, Saint Paul refers to himself as the father of believers in 1 Corinthians 4;14-15, “I am not writing this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

The above biblical references to the word “father” are sufficient to show that Jesus was not forbidding everybody from using the word “father.”

CONCLUSION

Having proven that it is permitted to use the word “father,” let no one condemn you for making reference to your biological father, or to your spiritual father, your local priest, of even for making reference to the Holy Father, the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church on earth. Learn the above references and defend the Catholic faith for the glory of God.

Mehn, u were so on point!!! Especially in that ur fifth point. Our issue is that we read Bible these days with much more human than spiritual understanding.

CharlieMaria:



CONCLUSION

Having proven that it is permitted to use the word “father,” let no one condemn you for making reference to your biological father, or to your spiritual father, your local priest, of even for making reference to the Holy Father, the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church on earth. Learn the above references and defend the Catholic faith for the glory of God.

Well said. I agree with some of your post. But I wouldn't conclude totally the way you concluded, although I accept your logic follows your conviction.

Jesus did not encourage titles in the Christian Church. No Teacher, No Doctor, No Father, No Mother Jerusalem, No Shepherd, No Reverend, No Deacon and certainly No Pope.

However, there are teachers, sherpherd, fathers, mothers, deacons etc inside the church who would fill the needs of the brethren. No one should assume titles the way a doctor or a lawyer assumes life titles.

For Christians there is only one Leader only one Father only one Shepherd...

PAGAN9JA:



I'm trying to make people realise that christianity is a scam and the only way is through the Gods (Alusi) of our forefathers.

The sad part is you have to keep reiterating the same like what the missionaries did to our fathers until the messages hits home.

what is Alusi

0monnak0da:

So who is to translate it for us Daddy GOs?
Are there any times when we can translate it literally and how do we know these occasions?

Go read my post, I only referred to The Catholic Priesthood and not daddy Go. 2Pet1:20-21 "No prohecy of the scriptures is made by private interpretation " so you need to listen to the Church as I mentioned before for 1Tim3:15 says "The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. " Also Ephesians 3:10-11 explains that the Church is the teacher....so listen to the Church which was founded by Christ in Luke 22:32, Matthew 16:17-18 and John 21:15-17....Jesus eventually charged them to teach all nations in Mathew 28:19-20....Trace history and you will find that the Church is The Catholic Church...

Many Christians disobey Christ but obey their pastor..

CharlieMaria:

Read and learn

who reading epp? I'd rather kidnap you and make cool money than waste time reading that epistle

CharlieMaria:

Go read my post, I only referred to The Catholic Priesthood and not daddy Go. 2Pet1:20-21 "No prohecy of the scriptures is made by private interpretation " so you need to listen to the Church as I mentioned before for 1Tim3:15 says "The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. " Also Ephesians 3:10-11 explains that the Church is the teacher....so listen to the Church which was founded by Christ in Luke 22:32, Matthew 16:17-18 and John 21:15-17....Jesus eventually charged them to teach all nations in Mathew 28:19-20....Trace history and you will find that the Church is The Catholic Church...

You make a lot of sense.........................
to yourself

Acehart:


You are correct but you did not write initially to correct the guy who put up this topic and your initial response was not sufficient. The topic seems to address the norm where men have the 'title' - spiritual father. Paul didn't put it as a title. He wouldn't have wanted any one to.

A FATHER IS A TEACHER!a biological father teaches his sons the things of nature and culture, so also a spiritual father teach his sons the things of the spirit

PAGAN9JA:



I'm trying to make people realise that christianity is a scam and the only way is through the Gods (Alusi) of our forefathers.

The sad part is you have to keep reiterating the same like what the missionaries did to our fathers until the messages hits home.

sorry! because your mission is already a FAILED BEFORE START. Not in this modern age again you are talking about going back to our VOMITS

InansBobo:
A FATHER IS A TEACHER!a biological father teaches his sons the things of nature and culture, so also a spiritual father teach his sons the things of the spirit

Who is your spiritual father?

Cutehector:
Many Christians disobey Christ but obey their pastor..

...follow me as I follow Christ...



there's more to the things of God then what the physical can see

Acehart:

Who is your spiritual father?

why did you ask?

InansBobo:
...follow me as I follow Christ...



there's more to the things of God then what the physical can see

two blind people will fall inside gutter Mr man. Get sense. Can a blind man lead another blind man?

InansBobo:
sorry! because your mission is already a FAILED BEFORE START. Not in this modern age again you are talking about going back to our VOMITS

what is vomit for one is gold for another. I have already successfully reverted many of our people back to traditional Faith / Paganism. jusy like christianity has died in the west so too it will in Nigeria.

InansBobo:
why did you ask?

I'd like to know. No offense intended.

LukeLook:
what is Alusi

The Gods that do the work of the Abssrract Supreme.

Alusi is a term in Igbo Religion (Odinani)

Cutehector:
two blind people will fall inside gutter Mr man. Get sense.

that what you can say! it's of your opinion because you may not be spiritually sensitive... I won't expect anything short of that from you.

Acehart:

I'd like to know. No offense intended.

OK I attend Dunamis Church.....

InansBobo:
that what you can say! it's of your opinion because you may not be spiritually sensitive... I won't expect anything short of that from you.

the first shall be the last .. Have that at the back of your sheepled mind

PAGAN9JA:
what is vomit for one is gold for another. I have already successfully reverted many of our people back to traditional Faith / Paganism. jusy like christianity has died in the west so too it will in Nigeria.

in your wildest imagination that Christianity would die in Nigeria.
The earth (including Nigeria) is the Lord's and the fullness thereof.

InansBobo:
OK I attend Dunamis Church.....

Hmmm! Okay. Thanks

StarBukola:
U r right,luv.
I hope u know not only did they say that but almost said 'God of this !God of that!( referring to earthly pastors)

That's what irritate me most. Praying in the name of one Pastors God.

This same issue almost ruined TOPE ALABI career. She was used to calling on "Olorun Ajanaku" And when this same Pastor called Ajanaku died, Ogboni people claimed he is their member and buried him

PAGAN9JA:
jesus sucks. who the hell is he? that tithe extortionist.

He is the owner of your life, before whom you will stand for judgement the moment your life on earth is over for Him to decide if you spend eternity in heaven or hell based on your relationship with him while you were alive on earth.

Secondly, He is not your mate, but you don't know it now. Stephen Hawking didn't believe a week ago, but now he is screaming in torment and wishing Jesus would give him just 1 minute to come back to earth and repent, then die again so he can go to heaven .

AgamaHub:
A lot of peeps mis- interpret the Holy Grail Ask for understanding and you shall receive. Bless you. This Guy below nailed it...

Oga this thread is about addressing people as your "spiritual father" and not biological father or any other thing like professional title.

The writer himself states that Pharisees want to be seen and addressed as rabbi because of their ego. That same analogy applies to making a "spiritual father" of people. One is 6, the other is half a dozen

adem30:


That's what irritate me most. Praying in the name of one Pastors God.

This same issue almost ruined TOPE ALABI career. She was used to calling on "Olorun Ajanaku" And when this same Pastor called Ajanaku died, Ogboni people claimed he is their member and buried him

God of Adeboye or God of Oyedepo is no different from saying "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" as used in the bible several times. As long as Adeboye or Oyedepo serves the true God.

CharlieMaria:

Go read my post, I only referred to The Catholic Priesthood and not daddy Go. 2Pet1:20-21 "No prohecy of the scriptures is made by private interpretation " so you need to listen to the Church as I mentioned before for 1Tim3:15 says "The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. " Also Ephesians 3:10-11 explains that the Church is the teacher....so listen to the Church which was founded by Christ in Luke 22:32, Matthew 16:17-18 and John 21:15-17....Jesus eventually charged them to teach all nations in Mathew 28:19-20....Trace history and you will find that the Church is The Catholic Church...

The church is the body of saints, not just those who teach. Moreover, in the Early Church, you needn't go to the seminaries to become a teacher. The Catholic Church priesthood has characteristics of the very Pharisees whom Christ never tired rebuking.

And stop this lies about the Catholic Church being the Church Christ established.

DaVinciii:
“And don’t address anyone here on Earth as ‘Father’ because only God in heaven is your spiritual father.” - Matthew 23:9 (NIV)

These words were said by Jesus himself. Next time you hear someone call any human being ‘spiritual father,’ question the person.

Thank You!!!! Most Christians are blind or just choose to blind about this.
It just show how pastors are good at brainwashing or how people blindly follow pastors these days.