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Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Igboid: 7:31pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
sangresan: You have not said anything yet. Where are your stats? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 7:36pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
Igboid:The figures you see are what? olodo.... |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by DerideGull(m): 7:39pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
sangresan: Why do most foolish and idiotic Nigerians tend to start off with insults on subject they know nothing about? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Igboid: 7:39pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
Though I am neither Yoruba nor Igbo, my open minded research of Nigeria's history leads me to the conclusion that Nigeria's current failure as a country is 95℅ attributable to the self delusions, short-sightedness/greed and stupidity of Zik and Ironsi. Here you claim to be "open minded ", though we all know better "As a minority person, why should I not be igbophobic when the unitary system which Igbos brought into Nigeria through the backdoor has perpetually endangered the minorities? Are you expecting them to send you kisses and thank you cards for for being the first to dismantle federalism which guaranteed their protection from the overbearing attitude of the majorities? " When hassled, you cracked, and told us what we already know. Which is that you are Igbophobic and hence incapable of holding an open minded discussion on Igbo affairs, like you early claimed. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 7:41pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
DerideGull: Only an slowpoke will make such a meaningless rhetoric... Go back and digest what was in the referred quote... 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Igboid: 7:41pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
sangresan: Hello! We are talking about the East having a superior school enrolment stat than the west that needed free education to stay close to the East. How exactly did the stat you provided help your argument? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 7:44pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
Igboid: Stop jumping on what others wrote...It's obvious you don't know anything about what's been discussed...You are just here to play to the gallery and amuse your people.... What that person wrote about Zik was 200% correct...I just don't have time to start discussing Zik all over again... 2 Likes |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by DerideGull(m): 7:44pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
sangresan: After the carpet-crossing saga was understood, what happened in the next subsequent election? The AG lost its deposit. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 7:45pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
Igboid: Remind me of the figures you gave..We didn't discuss anything because you haven't supplied the total school enrolment for the Eastern Region.... |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 7:48pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
The figures busted your lies of having better teacher to student ratio blah blah blah.... Where were you training those teachers and students when you had inferior number of schools even with more total population.....? 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 7:50pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
DerideGull: Go and sleep dude...The cross-carpeting happened in your "brain".... The leader of the Ibadan People Party was Chief Adisa Meredith Akinloye...He lived a long time after the saga and properly wrote down what happened....If you still choose to believe what your kinsmen told you rather than search for the truth, it's your cup of tea... 2 Likes |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 8:13pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
We haven't even talked about the kilometres of road tarred, number of hospitals and doctors, number of nurses and midwives, wealth of the govt statutory corporations etc.. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Igboid: 8:13pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
sangresan: The article I quoted is a researched article with references. Stop disgracing yourself in public. 2 Likes
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Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 8:27pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
In what way has this disproved my claim that the Eastern Region had lesser number of youths in school than the Western Region before imitating the Free Education policy in 1957? Look, we are waiting for your claimed Eastern Region total school enrolment in the 50s to show how Igbos were ahead in the decade before independence... Your essayists were really shy of quoting total figure as against obscure ratios......Ibos this ration 115:118...IBOs that 25% blah blah blah.... Where are the total figures being used? 2 Likes |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 9:31pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
Our friends are really funny...You are yet to give us the total figures from which those writers' opinions were been formed.... Who would believe such trash? Achebe lifted empty stats like these to write his infamous book about how Ibos were leading in the decade before independence even though the writer concentrated mostly on developments in the period leading to the 1966 Coup when Igbo leaders were already populating the Federal Civil Service with their kinsmen.... What is so hard in bringing the total figures rather than ratios? Let see the number of Igbos in school in 1950 or 1955...What is hard in doing that or your schools didnt have records? Now examine the picture below... I told you that I don't deal with false ratios and halftruths... 2 Likes
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Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Igboid: 11:38pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
sangresan: Lol! If you go through the article references, you would see the numbers. Not that it matters, since it wouldn't help your argument Now would it? Which is why you are dragging in an entirely different stat, into the argument, as a distraction technique. Sorry, I wouldn't bite Go, through the article I posted and see the reference for every single stat it quoted. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by sangresan(m): 12:43am On Mar 24, 2018 |
I am the one that will help you post the figures in the reference? Something your fake essayist wasn't even bold enough to display... Abeg go back to school.... You can see what I posted....It is backed up with full figures not just stupid tales from nonexistent essayists.... Using all indices of human development, the Ibos were far, far behind the Yorubas in 1960....Number of schools, total number of school enrolments, hospitals, qualified doctors, nurses and midwives, kilometres of road tarred, number of literate adults, access to pipe borne water and etc.... I have more where that came from...I don't paste lies or mere opinions of unknown Iboic essayists as stats.... 2 Likes |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by DerideGull(m): 6:06pm On Mar 24, 2018 |
sangresan: I do not know when a ninny such as you came in contact with historic facts about western region of Nigeria. Please note that the IPP was led in conjunction with one Adegoke Adelabu. By the way, Adisa Meredith Akinloye was not only an original carpet-crossing ninny, he was equally a backstabber. Adisa Meredith Akinloye also defected to NNDP from Action Group and made sure Awolowo was imprisoned. 2 Likes |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Igboid: 5:07am On Mar 25, 2018 |
sangresan: I don't see the figures you posted. You must be an illiterate to not understand the meaning of a researched article. The Paul Abner journal I provided is loaded with credible references for each and every of its claim. The onus is on you to prove that the references he quoted as the sources of his claims were wrong. So far, you had failed to do that. You want Paul Abner book dissmised without a credible counter proof to his assertions. Posting Yoruba figures, without posting Igbo figures from you, is never going to counter Paul abner, as Paul's argument was never that Yorubas had no figures, it was that the Eastern figures were better and he provided referenced sources for his assertion. Paul Abner never claimed that the East had more tarred roads than the West, and I never made such claims either, so the last stat you posted was irrelevant to the discussion, and was but a mere distraction for you to vent your frustrations. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by AceRoot(m): 10:11am On Mar 25, 2018 |
Igboid: Thanks for republishing this. And you'll notice that it won't be mentioned. Totally shows up the rewritten stories. 2 Likes |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Nobody: 1:44am On Mar 26, 2018 |
femi4: Pacesetter does not mean 1st university Sir. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by naijjaman(m): 5:51pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Which open mind research of Nigeria history? How many books or journals have you written on Nigeria's history. You think all the those kai kai you drink in the creek will give you needed sense, loser! |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by naijjaman(m): 6:12pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Stop wasting your uncle's data, typing rubbish. Go get a decent job, loser! |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Deadlytruth(m): 8:49pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
Igboid: 1. Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu did not successfully take over power hence your argument that Ironsi took over from them is built on nothing and turns logic on its head. A civilian government is defined not by the personalities in power but by the offices set up by the constitution. Ironsi met the constitution intact, and by extension met the government offices intact and was therefore advised by the civilians to follow what the intact constitution recommend by way of swearing in Dipcharima so that the coup plotters would be punished for treasonable felony. But he declined and decided to subvert the constitution. 2. However, neither you nor your brothers have been able to answer the question as to what exactly Ironsi therefore meant when in his May 24 national broadcast declared that: i. the former regions have now become groups of provinces. ii. the country ceased to be what is called a federation but had become just "Republic of Nigeria". iii. every well meaning citizen agreed that the main impediment to national progress was regionalism and all its vestiges must be rooted out of the system. Moreover, if Ironsi did not kill the regions, why did Gowon find it necessary to issue his own Decree 56 which restored them with their full autonomy for 11 months? 3. If only you know what the term "primarily' connotes in the context you would not have been in your delusional discovery of a contradiction. Please consult your dictionary and read with comprehension skills. I claim that the Core North (Not just the North). So don't misquote me. 4.Why have you consistently been dodging the question about why four years later NCNC decided to join forces with the supposedly untrustworthy AG towards fostering the UPGA alliance to the point that Michael Okpara had to on behalf of Zik visit Ibadan to mend fences with an "untrustworthy" party whose leader was serving a jail term slammed on him by a ruling coalition in which NCNC was part and parcel of? Doesn't it sound absurd to common sense? You termed a party as untrustworthy yet you later went seeking that party's friendship. Then what are you yourself? The fact that it was the same NCNC that later dumped the UPGA alliance for an offer in the NNA brought to power by brazen rigging lays it bare that Zik and NCNC were the merchants of treachery. Above all, attaching Zik's preference for the NPC-NCNC alliance to the phantom Awolowo double deal does not make sense if one recalls that even before independence Zik had through several utterances made it clear that he was ready to sacrifice anything to keep the North in Nigeria at his own personal cost and at the risk of the entire South. The situation after the 1959 election was such that the North's condition for remaining in Nigeria was to be given political power to which Zik obliged in his quest to hold the North back. How this Awolowo double deal theory later came through backdoor to rationalize that blunder of Zik after it had boomeranged is what remains a puzzle. Awolowo's phantom double play had not occurred when Zik declared in the 40s that he was ready to pay the ultimate price to keep Nigeria intact, and even later gave a long speech warning those Northerners asking for secession earlier on and promising them political concessions from the South if they changed their minds. 6. My claim that "The NCNC had become an Igbo party at that moment" is totally different from you own suggestion which puts me as saying that "The NCNC became an Igbo party at independence" I don't want to believe you don't know the function of 'had' in that sentence I made. And in any case the presence of non-Igbo members in NCNC did not strip it of its Igbo-centric outlook any more than the presence of non-Hausa-Fulani members in NPC strip NPC of its Hausa-Fulani focused outlook. Recall that Zik had shifted NCNC's base to the East. How did a nationalist party have its base shifted from the federal capital to a regional one? 7. I have taken my time all this while to study that thread you referenced and discovered you have no point. The map shown there is a purely trade based demarcation of territories which illustrates Richard Akinjide's recent exposition that Nigeria's Protectorates started purely as British trade entities and not ethnicity based political administrative units. The straight line boundary at the Eastern axis is a testimonial to this as it was hardly possible for yet uncolonized African tribes to have maintained a perfectly straight line boundary with one another in their settlement patterns. The straight line boundary in question falls on latitude 7.3°N beneath which a lot of the present Kogi East towns and Benue towns native to Igbos and Tivs fall. Examples are Idah, Ajaka, Onyedega, Adoru, Okpo, Orukpa, Otukpa, Orokam, Angba, Otukpo, Oju, Igumale, Koniya, Vande Ikiya, Adikpo, Kashimbila, Utonkon, etc. Your own quoted map has revealed you as the liar here and boxed you to a dead end. However, the real ethnicity based boundaries which came into being when Protectorates assumed administrative forms is what you see below and you can see the whole of present Kogi East and the entire current Benue State in the Southern Protectorate. This image is taken from page 39 of Macmillan Atlas authored by seasoned academics of Geography and history under the editorial guidance of others like Dr. Frederick O.A. Dada (Hons) Geography ABU, MSc Glasgow and PhD UI, together with Garba Musa Jibrin and Dr. Adane Ijeoma. I guess you also call them liars. You may get a copy from your nearest bookshop to cure your ignorance. The 1939 Bouillon Constitution did not create regions but territories which only became re-created regions amidst gerrymandering in 1951 and then accorded autonomous powers same year. The change from territories to regions involved serious nationwide consultations. Why couldn't Zik use the opportunity to speak up against the gerrymandering as the leader of the East? Rather, in his one Nigeria delusion, he was far away in Ibadan thwarting Awolowo's irredentist efforts targeted at Yorubas native to the current Kwara and Kogi. If my arguments were redundant you would not have bothered replying. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Deadlytruth(m): 9:01pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
naijjaman: When you threatened to start with me I thought it was facts you were bringing to the table to prove me wrong only for me to see wailing and gnashing of teeth. It is obvious you are a lilliputian where facts and logic drive a debate. So I will not bother responding to you again until you supply facts and logic based arguments. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Deadlytruth(m): 9:06pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
DerideGull: For the bolded, why not then supply your own correct account? Is that supposed to be easier than the expletive you issued above? Bring your own account and list let us examine them. Debates are as simple as that. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by naijjaman(m): 9:58pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Get a job and stop the ogogoro and too much weed in the creek. After your parents used the money they got from the abandoned property, nothing was left to send you to school and that's why you spend your sorry time and life looking to blame other people for your misery. I don't waste time arguing with kitchen tables like you. Mention me once and I will mention you 10 times. None sense! |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by naijjaman(m): 10:01pm On Apr 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Rubbish |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Deadlytruth(m): 2:08pm On Apr 04, 2018 |
Strikethem: You are right. The federalism we were practising back then was a genuine one like that of the US whereby it would take 10 years residency for a non-native to qualify for certain privileges which his host region was offering to her natives. For the fact that Igbos were the most scattered tribe in other regions it meant true federalism of the regional system would deny them such privileges in other people's land for at least 10 years hence they hated federalism and regional system with a passion and did all they could to dismantle it. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by NimrodEndOfDays(m): 12:55pm On Oct 25, 2019 |
Wondering how I got to this place. By the way,the first UNIVERSITY in Nigeria still remains UNN. Wonder why some people want to bend the rules. |
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