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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:23am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: You are yet to answer my question regarding the origin of the chemicals Why are you dodging the question 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:25am On Apr 15, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:I'm no dodging it, you said God made the first reaction and I want proof to that stating his first chemical reaction, the equation and a video of him doing it. 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 9:25am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:This is a ridiculous proof seeking. How do you have such video evidences? This is wrong on so many levels. |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:27am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: I didn't say God made the first reaction. I asked you to tell.me the origin of these chemicals which react? Can you show me where I said God made the first chemical reaction? 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:28am On Apr 15, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:then what's your argument all about, I just need you to tell admit that a reaction can occur without a God |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:30am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: And I need you to admit that you do not know the origin of the chemicals which react. At least we need to identify how these reacting chemicals came from and why. Are you going to focus on the leaves without considering the roots or the seed? Chemicals are natural reactors. But are their origins self derived? 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:30am On Apr 15, 2018 |
johnydon22:it's a proof that God exists, since his followers claim he's a super scientist then they should be able to provide these proofs and he should have known about the science of imaging even before we discovered it.. |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:32am On Apr 15, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:I have admitted that, like I said, no one can prove that God made the universe aside the cheap emotion they get from their religion.. 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:34am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: When did I mention God? You are being very emotional you know. So why are you talking about a chemical reaction when you are blind to how they came? 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 9:34am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: No no. There is evidence and there is a ridiculous demand for non-feasible evidence. This is like asking you to provide video proof of Da Vinci in his workshop painting the Mona Lisa before you agree he made Mona Lisa or even existed. It is grossly absurd |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:35am On Apr 15, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:now we are on the same page, No God did anything, at least no proof for that |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:37am On Apr 15, 2018 |
johnydon22: According to first point, so we can say God created himself at the point he created the universe. He created himself simultaneously with the Universe? Not even a millionth of a second before he created it? You see the issue here is trying to have the cake and eat it. You want God to have existed forever including before the universe emerged and you also dont want that period before he created the universe to be referenced as too long a period. If its an instant then we should be right to call it the instant of creation, that specific point when he created it, because not even a millisecond exists before that instant as you dont want it. Well the second one sounds worse, who confines God to this hyper time? Does he confine himself to this special dimension. Did he create this hyper time and at what point did he do it? Do we have to go back to the first point and say it was another instance? |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:37am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: Sorry but we are not on the same page. 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:38am On Apr 15, 2018 |
johnydon22:it's not ridiculous, I mean if some people believe that a man struck the red sea and the water pathed across several thousands of kilometres for the Israelites to pas through then asking for such video is not too much. Again, don't forget that they claim this God is capable of anything , he's greater than Da Vinci |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:39am On Apr 15, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:what page are you then? 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:41am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: The one you refuse to show me 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by hopefulLandlord: 9:49am On Apr 15, 2018 |
This thread has descended into the usual mediocrity 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 10:04am On Apr 15, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Its amazing my brother. It went down so fast. The quality of minds on this board now is grossly wanting 2 Likes |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by enilove(m): 10:12am On Apr 15, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: A geneticist cannot produce any living thing without making use of the basic genetic basis of the thing or plant to be produced. For example , a claim to produce a human being by taking the X & Y chromosome from humans has not created anything but only produced another human existing in the chromosomic form. That is taking the sperm from a man and an egg from the woman to produce a baby is not a creation but reproduction. To take what is in existence to produce a new one or another type is not a creation . There is no way you can create a new plant which is nonexisting without taking something from a plant that is already in existence, that is why you are called a "geneticist". You can only be a breeder . You cannot create a plant with a new genetic form of its own. To "produce" is different from to "create". You can only produce but can never create something that is new from nothing. You said why am I not made of plants since I eat plant. The answer is simple. God created it that way and there is nothing anybody can do about that. Your question is also liking to asking why cars are not made of PETROL since cars drink petrol as their food to move. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by CAPSLOCKED: 11:19am On Apr 15, 2018 |
Treasure17: THIS FEELING, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MILLIONS OF DEITIES CREATED BY HUMANS ALL THROUGH HISTORY. EVEN WHEN PEOPLE DROP THE RELIGION THEY WERE BORN IN, THEY STILL FIND IT DIFFICULT TO LET GO OF THIS FEELING. REMEMBER WHEN WE PRAYED TO THE GOD OF THUNDER (AMADIOHA, OGUN, THOR) TO PROTECT US FROM THUNDER? REMEMBER WHEN WE PRAYED TO OSUN FOR FERTILITY, AND POSEIDON (OSUN, ORISA, VENUS, APHRODITE) FOR SAFE PASS THROUGH THE SEA? REMEMBER WHEN VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS WERE SAID TO BE THE WRATH OF THE GODS, AND TO APPEASE THEM, A HUMAN SACRIFICE MUST BE MADE. HUMANS WERE THROWN INTO VOLCANOES TO GET THE GODS' MERCY. IF IT SEEMS LIKE THE GODS AREN'T SATISFIED , MORE AND MORE HUMANS WERE THROWN IN UNTIL THE DAY THE RUMBLING NOISE STOPS. WHATEVER STILL LOOKS SUPERNATURAL TODAY WILL BECOME NATURAL ONCE SCIENCE FINDS THE ANSWER. 10 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by obisco4u: 2:56pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED: Brilliant. This enitrely settles the supernatural claims people present. |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Treasure17(m): 3:11pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED:Lol. Yeah, but science is yet to proof otherwise and I don't think science can produce answers to all these puzzles. Until then let's hold on to our beliefs. 2 Likes |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by ultron12345: 3:17pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
GodFreyinNORSE:good afternoon sir. Plz, I would appreciate if u can shed more light on this, and back it up with scriptures. Thanks |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Treasure17(m): 3:24pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
johnydon22:Absolutely. |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 4:45pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
TayserMahiri:You failed to understand the premise of that argument, the argument deals on the assumption that there is no time. In this case there are no forever, a moment can be forever and vise-versa. Everything can be represented in one moment in a plain without time. So checking for the point from when God existed alone to when he created the universe would be like trying to figure out the edge of a spherical earth, there is none. Take for instance, the Big Bang model, what was before the singularity? what happened before the inflation? Since at this point there was no time, there cannot be asserted to be something that happened before the big bang, so forever and a moment are packed in the same point. Its a lot to take in, can actually even be dubbed absurd, that'd be fair enough but that is the implication of without [time]
Let me demonstrate this in a basic way for you to wrap your head around you. When you put a movie on your laptop, let's say Thor. The movie plays with a countdown on your screen or video player, that countdown is TIME. Now picture that movie as a universe (alternate) which in principle it is. It has its own time, pausing that movie won't pause the time in reality, it only pauses this movie. You as an individual watching the movie on your laptop is transcendent from the movie time and space (meaning; you exist outside the 2dimensional space + time of the movie) But in reality you are also confined to our 3dimensional plain + time. 2 Likes |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by hinograce: 5:18pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
TayserMahiri:we are all learning and we can actually talk cordially. God has his ways. The Egyptians of today don't doubt the story. Do u believe in the Noah flooding story? Just asking |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 8:25pm On Apr 15, 2018 |
TayserMahiri: I enjoyed your analysis though full of errors Thanks for schooling me on the belief of the atheists. I will type a better reply when chanced. You talk about 10billion years as if you were there or there was a written record of events by someone back in time. Relying on Scientific analysis for happenings of billion years back is like living in a fools paradise as Science has failed a thousand times. I'm busy and might type again soon. enjoy your night. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:36pm On Apr 16, 2018 |
johnydon22: All that is backed by the Bible or where is it from? It just seems like physics and the rationalization you are bringing are merging at the big bang (just before). I really dont know maybe you can dig a scripture that explains that. How God was chilling nowhere and at no point in time and then BANG ! Assuming the Bible is a reliable guide. Though I doubt. As far as your example, I dont think you can delink a movie space-time continuum from the normal spacetime. Even if you pause the movie. But I kinda KINDAAA get what you are trying to say. |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 10:15pm On Apr 16, 2018 |
tamethem: glad you enjoyed. Could be by chance too Might be waiting for a reply. What the hell are you talking about me being there 10 billion yrs ago. You know there are a lot of stuff we can be rather confident so long as there is scientific backing. For instance, you trust that your post got here and was read by me and others despite the fact that from your perspective you just typed something and pressed a funny button written Submit. What makes you trust that it finally got here and did not miss its way? You could be the only one reading it, or just me and you given that I am replying. Whatever that is that you place a lot of trust in is the same thing that allows me to confidently say 10 billion yrs. And that is scientific research. Unfortunately for religion, nothing changes. If the rule was kill your cat to cure leprosy, thats the rule even 5000 yrs later. There isnt even need to investigate whether catkilling works, you just believe it does. Religion cant cure any disease but you find millions suffering from incurable diseases and confidently believing they are cured. Its so much fools paradise in religion I dont know why you are trying to point a finger when four are pointing at you. 3 Likes |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 2:38pm On Apr 17, 2018 |
hinograce: Oh sorry, hadnt seen this. Yeah its good to be cordial. The Egyptians of today dont doubt which story? The flooding story is another unbelievable masterclass. Very entertaining but nonetheless a myth. 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by hinograce: 3:22pm On Apr 17, 2018 |
TayserMahiri:there is evidence of d great deluge. ie world wide flooding In stratigraphy and also evidence of the relic of Noah's Arc. 1 Like |
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by kevoh(m): 4:45pm On Apr 17, 2018 |
This question is for johnydon22 and I will gladly ignore any mentions except if it's from Johny until otherwise stated. I often hear theists end statements with science has not been able to explain this mystery or that mystery. Now here is my question, if we are to follow the subject of this thread which is the existence of a god, is it that science has so far truly not been able to explain the existence of god or the evidences put forward so far by theists for a god have failed the scientific methods of testing hypothesis. |
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