popizaino:


Obaaderemi which one be "little Indian" again.

mtis:


You guys (Nigerians ) are really racists. So you want Indians to be third class so that you be happy . Your country will never progress with that kind of mentality. An that why people keep on telling you that Kenya is very different from Nigeria. That ol village mentality died way back…Good old education would be nice for Nigerian people. Kenya is moving forward while (based on some posts here)you guys are regressing ..I can only wish you luck

Nowenuse:

Clap for yourself, since your Kenya is moving forward. Only 10% of Kenyans are middleclass citizens (of which the majority are Indians) compared to Nigeria's 20% and you talk about moving forward?

kikuyu1:


Haiyya?! Dangotelanders how is that possible? After all your screeching and finger pointing! BTW that is the ambassador talking not a Dangotelander.
Obviously he knows his figures! Say it with me geniuses;THERE ARE TEN TIMES MORE INDIANS IN DANGOTELAND THAN KENYA!!

robosky02:
how you dear missed you

rvp20182:
All these based on cooked GDP figures from Nigeria stats office. Middle class is living in house that has basics - electricity, water, sewage, broad band, with a car or two, fridge or such household goods, with kids going to good schools, with maybe holiday or two, with bank account, shopping in supermarket and malls, probably owning the house they live in, earning at least some decent salary (maybe 500usd at minum)..living in decent secure neighberhood...that is MIDDLE CLASS. Nigeria cooked stats is NOT middle class. Nigeria on electricity metric alone means there is no middle class in Nigeria...you have what 10 hours at best electricity...your fridge is probably dead if any....you mostly shop in corner shop...you kids go in some worse schools..insecurity everywhere...Nigeria is warzone...it cannot boost of any middle class. If it did....consumer goods companies would be rushing there...

South Africa has Africa biggest Middle class (Not Nigeria - unless you trust cooked figures). Kenya has decent middle class.

What middle class is there in Nigeria...when it's formal mall space is so tiny? Where do Nigeria middle class shop ? Kenya is second only to South Africa in formal retail (malls & stores) where middle class shop- who are so far ahead of everyone?What middle class is there in Nigeria ...when private spending data from super-markets shows they got no money to spend...unless Oil goes back to 100 dollars.

rvp20182:
All these based on cooked GDP figures from Nigeria stats office. Middle class is living in house that has basics - electricity, water, sewage, broad band, with a car or two, fridge or such household goods, with kids going to good schools, with maybe holiday or two, with bank account, shopping in supermarket and malls, probably owning the house they live in, earning at least some decent salary (maybe 500usd at minum)..living in decent secure neighberhood...that is MIDDLE CLASS. Nigeria cooked stats is NOT middle class. Nigeria on electricity metric alone means there is no middle class in Nigeria...you have what 10 hours at best electricity...your fridge is probably dead if any....you mostly shop in corner shop...you kids go in some worse schools..insecurity everywhere...Nigeria is warzone...it cannot boost of any middle class. If it did....consumer goods companies would be rushing there...

South Africa has Africa biggest Middle class (Not Nigeria - unless you trust cooked figures). Kenya has decent middle class.

What middle class is there in Nigeria...when it's formal mall space is so tiny? Where do Nigeria middle class shop ? Kenya is second only to South Africa in formal retail (malls & stores) where middle class shop- who are so far ahead of everyone?What middle class is there in Nigeria ...when private spending data from super-markets shows they got no money to spend...unless Oil goes back to 100 dollars.

Nairobi has the highest available retail space in malls across sub-Saharan Africa in a development that has kept rent in the high-end shopping centres stagnant over the past two years, a survey shows.

Knight Frank Africa in a report highlighting real estate trends in the continent says Nairobi retail space in malls stood at nearly 500,000 square metres, far ahead of other top cities like Kampala (170,000 sqm), Lagos (150,000 sqm), Addis Ababa (60,000 sqm), Dakar (170,000 sqm) and Kinshasa (170,000 sqm).
South Africa has about 23 million square metres of shopping centre floor space, compared with three million square metres in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa.

“Outside of South Africa, the Kenyan capital Nairobi has the greatest volume of modern retail floor space in sub-Saharan Africa, and it continues to be a development hotspot,” said the survey.[i][/i]

Nowenuse:


So, since when did shopping malls become the major indicators of a middleclass population? Whitewashed white man's slave.
This is why Africa will always be ranked as last in every stats. Simply because we always do every ranking based on the white man's definitions.

I guess very soon, Nigerians will be addressed as the poorest country in the world because we do not celebrate 'Blanket and Tea' parties like you white men's slaves. Or because we prefer our traditional clothes than the white man's clothes.

Nigerians love our local markets a lot and we are very proud of them. We prefer some farm products very fresh out of the farms in their natural planted forms from the local markets and not always the refrigerated, with high toxic preservative, genetically modified foods saturating the malls.
If we are deemed backwards because of this, by you inferior minded little Indians and white man's slave, fine!

TayserMahiri:


What do the Arabic writings say in your notes?? Kill the Kaffirs?

Nowenuse:

Can you google the source of this stats before you start foaming in your mouth?
It is one of the world's leading stats analysis company based in the USA. Argue with them not us.

Nowenuse:

No, it tells of how millions of Nigerians were reading and writing hundreds of years ago while you 'Indian colonized bushmen were still playing nakedd in the forests.

rvp20182:
Middle class is not just some figures.If you don't have electricity - you're not middle class. Leave alone shopping mall. You see you can cook data - but you cannot cook manifestation of poverty or middle class. So Nigeria can claim to have 20% people earning 20 dollars per day - but where are those people living, shopping, school, vacationing - where is the middle class family of 2-3 happy kids ?.

South Africa is middle class - and you can see it with you naked eyes. You don't need cook stats or charts.

Nowenuse:


Yeah, Nigerians suffer more elctric shortage because our power is more evenly distributed all over the nook and crannies of the nation.

We are not like Kenya who gives Nairobi citizens steady power supply while those in the slums and rural areas have very little to no power supply at all.

I followed the news of this recent flooding crisis in Kenya. I usually tune in to K24 once in a while. I noticed that in large swathes of Kenyan rural areas, there are no signs of electric cables. This is very terrible.

Kenya is a country with strong internal discrimination! Nairobi and few other urban areas are provided with everything while the rural areas and semi urban areas are left to perish with nothing. No wonder your Slums are so large cos everyone wants to live in Nairobi.

If not, tell me how a country like Kenya that generates only 2,000 mW of power supply distribute to 50 million citizens steady power supply. I am waiting.

rvp20182:
I see you repeating that lie. Kenya islamic culture is 1000 yrs old plus. Islam arrived in Kenya coast in 8th century - and cities like Lamu, Malindi and Mombasa dates 8th century. That is why they are mostly unesco sites. Arabs from Middle east arrived in kenya aboard moonson driven dhows and boats way back - before Islam made headway to north nigeria recently in 19th century . That is along the north and coastal kenya....our islam is older than Nigeria.

Mombasa city our second largest city was established in 900AD. The is huge arab population along the east africa coast - many in kenya - who have lived here and intermarried - created a new tribes - for more than 1,000 yrs!!

Your islam is 19th century - ours is 8th Century - that is 1,000 yrs old. Kiswahili which is merge btw Arabic and Bantu languages is centuries old...

Nowenuse:


Nigga, I am not talking of Arab or Persian civilizations on the east african coasts. I am talking of Black Kenyan civilizations.

Islam has been in Nigeria hundreds of years before Danfodio's jihad. So Arabic literacy existed before the 19th century in Nigeria.

Haven't you also heard of the Nsibidi writing system practiced by South-eastern Nigerians for hundreds of years now?

TayserMahiri:


Excuses left right and center. When will Nigerians ever man up and own up! You have failed because you cant manage your country, not all these shenanigans your saying. If the issue is christian vs muslim then just divide that shyt into two neighboring countries.

rvp20182:
And you think Arabs who settled along the coast didn't influence the black people along the coast. The are two "black" muslim population in kenya - the bantus along the coast and gave birth to Swahili language- and the somalis-boranas - who are cousin of Hasua-Fulani - Somalis became muslim in 8th century and by 10th century they were and have been muslim - and they are black like hausa. Next nonsense.

rvp20182:
And you think Arabs who settled along the coast didn't influence the black people along the coast. The are two "black" muslim population in kenya - the bantus along the coast who are muslim and gave birth to Swahili language- and the somalis-boranas - who are cousin of Hasua-Fulani - Somalis became muslim in 8th century and by 10th century they were and have been muslim - and they are black like hausa. Next nonsense. Written texts - we got all that dating longer than 19th century Please try something else. Swahili written texts date way back.

Nowenuse:


Are you not ashamed to be boasting with only Somali people who are just less than 10% the whole population of Kenya?
Can you show me a picture of an ancient Somali city in Kenya? I am waiting.

Apart from the Hausa-fulanis in Nigeria, the Kanuris (Kanem-bornu empire), the Nupes (Nupe kingdom) and Oyo kingdom were also reading and writing in Arabic through Islamic influence. All these groups combined today are at least 40% of Nigeria's population.

Besides, i am not talking about Arabs coming to your territory to influence you as in the case of swahilis.
I am talking of Black Africans travelling overseas and importing literacy like in the case of Nigerians. So pls don't bring in the coastal arabs here.

I am more interested in that of Kenyan somalis.

Nowenuse:


So, since when did shopping malls become the major indicators of a middleclass population? Whitewashed white man's slave.
This is why Africa will always be ranked as last in every stats. Simply because we always do every ranking based on the white man's definitions.

I guess very soon, Nigerians will be addressed as the poorest country in the world because we do not celebrate 'Blanket and Tea' parties like you white men's slaves. Or because we prefer our traditional clothes than the white man's clothes.

Nigerians love our local markets a lot and we are very proud of them. We prefer some farm products very fresh out of the farms in their natural planted forms from the local markets and not always the refrigerated, with high toxic preservative, genetically modified foods saturating the malls.
If we are deemed backwards because of this, by you inferior minded little Indians and white man's slave, fine!

TayserMahiri:


It requires special effort to deal with your ignorance.

First:

Kenya does not need anyone to take it seriously. The fact that you are here, 2000 pages later and the longest ever thread on NL tells you that Kenya does not need any effort to trend, not just here, but globally. You take us too seriously even from the comforts of our eastern shorelines! We came here after the noise you were making became too loud all the way in the west.

Take away Nairobi and Somalia would be a better outcome? I know you use codeine but I didnt know the effects are this much. Cut the crap!

Desperation will kill you and your brother Oba. Many Nigerians, the ones who have an open mind and more specifically the ones who have travelled to Kenya know without a doubt that Kenya is better than Nigeria in just about anything. You can conduct a campaign from Lagos to Maiduguri but only the few Nigerians of your ilk will believe your desperate lies. The only thing that makes Nigeria better than Kenya is that you were born in it, nothing else!

The secessionist agitation had nothing to do with development of Mombasa. And what do you mean by that btw? Nothing being done in Mombasa is out of the ordinare. One general rule in Kenya is if you try to grow horns (seccesion et al.) you get dehorned! and one of the most effective ways to dehorn wayward fellas is to marginalize them even further. We grab secessionists by the balls (and p*ssy) here, and the harder they try, the harder we squeeze. Ask N.E Somalis, after decades of that secession nonsense, now they are squarely supporting government after realizing they will forever remain a footnote in Kenya's progress. Same with other wayward groups, which arent many anyway! All developments going on at the coast (not Mombasa as you think) are part of Kenya's grand vision twedi dhate kickstarted by the immediate former Kibaki regime! Not to please secessionists! Those ones (the leaders) are mostly dead or too scared by now. I wish you could ask us to deal with your secessionists and see how effective we are!

Kenya is an overwhelmingly rural country because we never left our farms for minerals like you. And even when we start exporting oil in a couple years from now, we will still not run away like you Nigerians of little foresight ran away from farms and now you're leaving Nigeria altogether!

About Nigeria being predominantly urban, that word urban is really abused in your country. Take officials from any other country in the world and your urban areas would be down-scaled to settlements unworthy of human habitation.

Your last statement is a statement of PURE desperation. The kind of projects we have posted here and that will continue to be posted show that you have no case at all. From North to South, East to West, Kenya beats Nigeria in any indices. Its one reason why foreigners want to come to Kenya so bad but in Nigeria you have to beg foreigners to stay. Kenya will continue to be taken in high esteem everywhere around the world, whether emotional Nigerians like it or not. Heck, even this topic arose because of Kenya, of all countries in Africa. In swahili they say "Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza". We the Kenyans find ourselves trending for our amazing and positive news around the globe because we are doing legit stuff that no one affords to ignore.

Nowenuse:


Nigeria cannot divide based on religion cos even in the Muslim dominated north, about 30% of the population are Christians while in the christian dominated south, about 20% are muslims.

There is a big difference between excuses and acknowledging one's problems.

I guess you should go and ask Indonesia why they are not doing better than Malaysia or ask China why they are not doing better than Taiwan or Hong Kong.

Stupidity is indeed very cheap.

If Nigerians are not making any progress at all, how come we overtook SA as the largest economy in Africa? How come we have a larger GDP per capital than most African countries and how come we have a larger percentage middle class than most African countries? Including your own little India?

TayserMahiri:


It requires special effort to deal with your ignorance.

First:

Kenya does not need anyone to take it seriously. The fact that you are here, 2000 pages later and the longest ever thread on NL tells you that Kenya does not need any effort to trend, not just here, but globally. You take us too seriously even from the comforts of our eastern shorelines! We came here after the noise you were making became too loud all the way in the west.

Take away Nairobi and Somalia would be a better outcome? I know you use codeine but I didnt know the effects are this much. Cut the crap!

Desperation will kill you and your brother Oba. Many Nigerians, the ones who have an open mind and more specifically the ones who have travelled to Kenya know without a doubt that Kenya is better than Nigeria in just about anything. You can conduct a campaign from Lagos to Maiduguri but only the few Nigerians of your ilk will believe your desperate lies. The only thing that makes Nigeria better than Kenya is that you were born in it, nothing else!

The secessionist agitation had nothing to do with development of Mombasa. And what do you mean by that btw? Nothing being done in Mombasa is out of the ordinare. One general rule in Kenya is if you try to grow horns (seccesion et al.) you get dehorned! and one of the most effective ways to dehorn wayward fellas is to marginalize them even further. We grab secessionists by the balls (and p*ssy) here, and the harder they try, the harder we squeeze. Ask N.E Somalis, after decades of that secession nonsense, now they are squarely supporting government after realizing they will forever remain a footnote in Kenya's progress. Same with other wayward groups, which arent many anyway! All developments going on at the coast (not Mombasa as you think) are part of Kenya's grand vision twedi dhate kickstarted by the immediate former Kibaki regime! Not to please secessionists! Those ones (the leaders) are mostly dead or too scared by now. I wish you could ask us to deal with your secessionists and see how effective we are!

Kenya is an overwhelmingly rural country because we never left our farms for minerals like you. And even when we start exporting oil in a couple years from now, we will still not run away like you Nigerians of little foresight ran away from farms and now you're leaving Nigeria altogether!

About Nigeria being predominantly urban, that word urban is really abused in your country. Take officials from any other country in the world and your urban areas would be down-scaled to settlements unworthy of human habitation.

Your last statement is a statement of PURE desperation. The kind of projects we have posted here and that will continue to be posted show that you have no case at all. From North to South, East to West, Kenya beats Nigeria in any indices. Its one reason why foreigners want to come to Kenya so bad but in Nigeria you have to beg foreigners to stay. Kenya will continue to be taken in high esteem everywhere around the world, whether emotional Nigerians like it or not. Heck, even this topic arose because of Kenya, of all countries in Africa. In swahili they say "Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza". We the Kenyans find ourselves trending for our amazing and positive news around the globe because we are doing legit stuff that no one affords to ignore.

popizaino:
The leadership is the biggest Nigerian problem with rife corruption and lack of basic humanity.

We Nigerian people are suffering from a lack of leadership and too much religious dogma.

One of the main problems with Nigerians is that we are too tolerant of our politicians. No strikes or protest marches for justice. We have come to terms with the fact that we have to bribe a government official, customs officer, police officer, immigration officer just to progress in life.

Danielnino00:




I can see the effort you took to channel your frustration to quote me that's some huge amount of frustration

Nowenuse:



This thread is not the longest thread on nairaland. The Nigerian stock exchange thread is longer. There are also 1 or 2 other longer threads here which I've forgotten.

Besides, it's very clear that this thread went this far due to the obsession of you little Indians with anything Nigeria. You can imagine the number of Kenyans on this thread sometimes even being more than the number of Nigerians here.
In a forum of about 2 million Nigerians, only a handful of us have the time for you little Indians, what does that tell you?

The same reason you little Indians cannot have enough of Nigerian artistes, movies and musics..
In the just concluded Big brother Nigeria, you need to see the number of you little Indians following the show.
Organize any Kenyan show and if you see any Nigerian following it. Never!

You little Indians are predominantly rural because your country lacks even development. In your country, it is either Nairobi or nowhere else, that's why you have the largest slums in the world.
If your people so much love their villages, why are they crowding up themselves like Sardines in Kibera? Everyone wants to live in Nairobi cos there are no opportunities elsewhere. What a shame!

Your country practices internal racism/discrimination, where all the country's money is spent in Nairobi/Mombasa while other parts of the country are left to rot away.

There are millions of Somalis in Kenya for instance, I dare you to show me any Somali city in Kenya.

In Nigeria, for every 2-4 million people, there is a city with at least 500,000- 1million people and many smaller cities/towns where citizens can at least have a feel of an urban area and some civilization. This is practically absent in your Kenya where the majority live in isolated villages and everyone has to travel hundreds of miles to Nairobi for anything. What a shame!

Keep fooling yourself about the status of Nigerian cities. Times without number in the past, we have compared Kenyan cities and Nigerian cities here.
Nairobi vs Lagos, Abuja and PH vs Mombasa etc. You guys claimed that you have more highrises than us and we disgraced you squarely!

I openly challenged you picture posting competitions of the middleclass, low middleclass and low income houses of Nigeria vs Kenya and you absconded for over a week!

Or do you want us to resurrect those pages again? Remember the internet never forgets.


Talking about projects and the highest project ever embarked on by little India since Independence were chinese trains of $3bn.

See, please, don't take us many pages back. We are done with these topics.

Nowenuse:


Yeah, Nigerians suffer more elctric shortage because our power is more evenly distributed all over the nook and crannies of the nation.

We are not like Kenya who gives Nairobi citizens steady power supply while those in the slums and rural areas have very little to no power supply at all.

I followed the news of this recent flooding crisis in Kenya. I usually tune in to K24 once in a while. I noticed that in large swathes of Kenyan rural areas, there are no signs of electric cables. This is very terrible.

Kenya is a country with strong internal discrimination! Nairobi and few other urban areas are provided with everything while the rural areas and semi urban areas are left to perish with nothing. No wonder your Slums are so large cos everyone wants to live in Nairobi.

If not, tell me how a country like Kenya that generates only 2,000 mW of power supply distribute to 50 million citizens steady power supply. I am waiting.

nwoke37:


As said earlier, Northern Nigeria is the one that's largely illiterate, they're also the poorest

The graph below shows states of Nigeria... The Northern states are the ones with low literacy which is dragging the whole Nigeria down. Southern Nigeria has average literacy rate of 80-90%

Just look at a state with a low litercy level, and it's certain it's a northern state..


Why do you think the igbos(part of Southern Nigeria) want secession(there was even a civil war). Many have clamored for the separation of Northern and Southern Nigeria. Heck when Gadaffi visited Nigeria, He advised Nigeria to split along those lines.

Poverty is very rife in Northern Nigeria with some states at 90% poverty level.

Ultimately Nigeria will need Northern Nigeria to radically reduce their poverty and illiteracy levels as Nigeria plays a defining role on the continent and perhaps on the world stage in the next half of this century...

I'm very optimistic about Nigeria. If Nigeria can stick together and not separate plus if Nigeria improves its health, education, and infrastructure as well as industrializes, 30 years from now Nigeria will be a different place and will dominate Africa as it's destined to do.

Kenya will be a regional power for some time and perhaps might rival South Africa as well as the upcoming Ethiopia in the future.

owbabs:
Nigeria B vs Atletico Madrid in Uyo, Akwa Ibom



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd0ZU4dVQAAnqgx.jpg

Nowenuse:


Hahaha, no, we are not racists. We are extremely proud black africans who do not give a shit about people with white skin. Unlike you 3rd class citizens in your own country who can never get enough of worshipping people with light skin and allowing them dominate you in your own country.

Nowenuse:


Hahaha, our ambassador was just sweet-talking to entice greater business deals between Nigeria and India.

One million Indians in Nigeria and you believe that crap? Are the one million Indians in the atmosphere or on land? Gullible little Indians.