Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?



This question is meant to insight deep thought and debate

2nd Timothy 2:23

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Brethren that is the Lords command to you.

Many of you are not able to endure insults or harsh words being used against you so in an effort to avoid being exposed to such which would lead you to sin, then avoid such scenarios such as this one.

We are not called to debates but to preach the word of God and the love of God.

Do not waste your time on fruitless debates which many seem to love.

Ignore this thread and keep your sanity and preserve the righteousness of God in you.

A person who holds a subjective morality shouldn't be asking you about your objective morality. If they wish to discuss it, then they should become objective like you otherwise all you would have would be fruitless arguments.

Shalom and God bless you all.


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Paranoia. Lol. Butterflyleo I hope you will be fine at the end though

johnydon22:
Paranoia. Lol. Butterflyleo I hope you will be fine at the end though

Sorry but I am not paranoid. Far from it. I am smarter now and my brethren will be too as they follow suite.

Wisdom is profitable to direct. Thank you for the care but dont worry, Gods got me.

And oh for your guys who might be thinking I broke my own rule, I didn't. I just chose to warn my brethren.

Thanks.

Butterflyleo:


Sorry but I am not paranoid. Far from it. I am smarter now and my brethren will be too as they follow suite.

Wisdom is profitable to direct. Thank you for the care but dont worry, Gods got me.

And oh for your guys who might be thinking I broke my own rule, I didn't. I just chose to warn my brethren.

Thanks.

OK you will be fine las las shaa

johnydon22:
Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?



This question is meant to insight deep thought and debate

Something is good because it is good .lol. That is not a satisfactory answer i guess . In anthropocentric affairs, Religion, culture, ethics, logic, common sense and personal judgement all play part and distribute itself implicitly in such a way that views are formed, individually as well as collectively. Medical point of view provides another clue to a thing that may be good as well.

vaxx:
Something is good because it is good .lol. That is not a satisfactory answer i guess . In anthropocentric affairs, Religion, culture, ethics, logic, common sense and personal judgement all play part and distribute itself implicitly in such a way that views are formed, individually as well as collectively. Medical point of view provides another clue to a thing that may be good as well

"Something is good because it is good"

Does this mean 'goodness' transcends the determination of God?

God does things because they are good and not because everything God does is good?

If God does the contrary, would that be termed bad?

What makes good good?

johnydon22:


"Something is good because it is good"

Does this mean 'goodness' transcends the determination of God?

God does things because they are good and not because everything God does is good?

If God does the contrary, would that be termed bad?

What makes good good?

it simply means goodness and bad is anthropocentric.

vaxx:
it simply means goodness and bad is anthropocentric.

Doesn't that make 'goodness' subjective and arbitrary in essence?

Butterflyleo:
2nd Timothy 2:23

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Brethren that is the Lords command to you.

Many of you are not able to endure insults or harsh words being used against you so in an effort to avoid being exposed to such which would lead you to sin, then avoid such scenarios such as this one.

We are not called to debates but to preach the word of God and the love of God.

Do not waste your time on fruitless debates which many seem to love.

Ignore this thread and keep your sanity and preserve the righteousness of God in you.

A person who holds a subjective morality shouldn't be asking you about your objective morality. If they wish to discuss it, then they should become objective like you otherwise all you would have would be fruitless arguments.

Shalom and God bless you all.


https://www.nairaland.com/4592174/warning-all-christians

JOHNYDON22 : is something good because god said it's good or does god command something because it's good?
BUTTERFLYLEO : *shys away from the question and plays great mental gymnastics* blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
JOHNYDON22 :

Martinez19:

JOHNYDON22 : is something good because god said it's good or does god command something because it's good?
BUTTERFLYLEO : *shys away from the question and plays great mental gymnastics* blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
JOHNYDON22 :

What about you?

What do you think makes something good?

Martinez19:

JOHNYDON22 : is something good because god said it's good or does god command something because it's good?
BUTTERFLYLEO : *shys away from the question and plays great mental gymnastics* blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
JOHNYDON22 :

He has realized that arguing with atheist will turn him into one at the end of the day so he has decided to run for his dear life.

dalaman:


He has realized that arguing with atheist will turn him into one at the end of the day so he has decided to run for his dear life.

The type of energy he put into this made him burn out easily.

Anyway back to the topic. What do you think the truer model should be?

Let me seek a Muslim perspective ..

Tartar9 what is your answer to this?

johnydon22:


The type of energy he put into this made him burn out easily.

Anyway back to the topic. What do you think the truer model should be?

Let me seek a Muslim perspective ..

Tartar9 what is your answer to this?

According to the theist things are God because their God says they are.

dalaman:


According to the theist things are God because their God says they are.

True.

That's why the Christian god can kill babies when it pleases him but orders everybody else not to, well, unless he tells them to. Then, it is okay.

The Christian god must sit on a throne of indecision.

festwiz:
True.

That's why the Christian god can kill babies when it pleases him but orders everybody else not to, well, unless he tells them to. Then is it okay.

The Christian god must sit on a throne of indecision.

If God says kill unbelievers they'll very happily do it. If their God says kill your own children as a sacrifice unto him they'll do it as well. Anything God says is good according to them.

Johnydon22,

It is impressive that you'd open this thread. Unfortunately, a good percentage of theists run away from anything that has to do with thought of any kind.

They are good, obedient sheeps though. That's why they will follow their herder/sherperd/lord/saviour butterflyleo (A.K.A butterflyinglion) and not use their brains for anything proactive or productive.

#peace

dalaman:


If God says kill unbelievers they'll very happily do it. If their God says kill your own children as a sacrifice unto him they'll do it as well. Anything God says is good according to them.

Ready to kill every first born son of the Egyptians 'cause the Israelites were captured.

Africans captured, killed and sold, their god be like "I've already sent myself to be killed. That should be real plenty no? Enjoy the slavery. Everything is my will"

Several hundred years later, their god's will is still abound. Mental slavery, hypocrisy, corruption, retardation (no offense), suffering, poverty, misery etc

Sad!

#peace

dalaman:


According to the theist things are God because their God says they are.

Genesis 1:31.
And God looked at the things he made and saw that they are good.

This passage from the bible seem to suggest the contrary

C O N S C I E N C E in us is Foresight of G O O D & B A D.
Consult your Belief and Training to know how you got Conscience. In Christianity, It's The Breath of our Maker, God in us.

johnydon22:


Genesis 1:31.
And God looked at the things he made and saw that they are good.

This passage from the bible seem to suggest the contrary

He looked at the things he made and said they were GOOD. If he had said they were bad they would have been bad. Remember this was according to the alleged fall of man that ruined everything according to Christians.

dalaman:


He looked at the things he made and said they were GOOD. If he had said they were bad they would have been bad. Remember this was according to the alleged fall of man that ruined everything according to Christians.

He saw or said

I think it's saw

johnydon22:


He saw or said

I think it's saw

Saw or said doesn't matter. Good called them good according to the story.

dalaman:


Saw or said doesn't matter. Good called them good according to the story.

It matters because the implication of that language use suggests the position of that chapter on the premise of the OP.

If it is "saw" then things are already good God just recognized this goodness meaning he doesn't determine what is good, but can recognize it.

If it is "said" it means God determined what good is.

johnydon22:


It matters because the implication of that language use suggests the position of that chapter on the premise of the OP.

If it is "saw" then things are already good God just recognized this goodness meaning he doesn't determine what is good, but can recognize it.

If it is "said" it means God determined what good is.

Remember, he created them according to the story. He saw that what he created was good.

johnydon22:
Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?



This question is meant to insight deep thought and debate

Something is good, if it benefits you and humanity.
Something is good if done with a clear conscience; without guilt.

Qpetz:


Something is good, if it benefits you and humanity.
Something is good if done with a clear conscience; without guilt.

What if God says the contrary?

dalaman:


Remember, he created them according to the story. He saw that what he created was good.

Yes it doesn't really matter. You can. Create something and figure out that it is good.

I made a good food. I made a terrible meal.

I made both and got to figure out they are good or not

johnydon22:


What if God says the contrary?

Then that is God’s subjective opinion of morality, I guess. Being the creator doesn’t make his positions objectively right.

orisa37:
C O N S C I E N C E in us is Foresight of G O O D & B A D.
Consult your Belief and Training to know how you got Conscience. In Christianity, It's The Breath of our Maker, God in us.

Meaning good is whatever our conscience decides it is?

Are you sure this simplification is something you'd like to pursue?

johnydon22:


What if God says the contrary?

Who is God?

Seun:
Then that is God’s subjective opinion of morality, I guess. Being the creator doesn’t make his positions objectively right.

Morality requires a mind. It is determined by a conscious mind, it is not an inherent part of the cosmos like something you find under a rock or below a river.

But if objectivity in morality is to make sense (that is a moral value that is innate to the cosmos) then I think this has everything to do with the creator of such system setting it in place.

So when you say objectivily right, what are you implying?