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Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by naptu2: 4:48pm On Mar 13, 2019
Several Boeing 737 Max 8 pilots in U.S. complained about suspected safety flaw

Pilots repeatedly voiced safety concerns about the Boeing 737 Max 8 to federal authorities, with one captain calling the flight manual "inadequate and almost criminally insufficient" several months before Sunday's Ethiopian Air crash that killed 157 people, an investigation by The Dallas Morning News found.


The News found five complaints about the Boeing model in a federal database where pilots can voluntarily report about aviation incidents without fear of repercussions.

The complaints are about the safety mechanism cited in preliminary reports about an October Boeing 737 Max 8 crash in Indonesia that killed 189.

The disclosures found by The News reference problems with an autopilot system, and they all occurred during the ascent after takeoff. Many mentioned the plane suddenly nosing down. While records show these flights occurred in October and November, the airlines the pilots were flying for is redacted from the database.

Records show that a captain who flies the Max 8 complained in November that it was "unconscionable" that the company and federal authorities allowed pilots to fly the planes without adequate training or fully disclosing information about how its systems were different from those on previous 737 models.

The captain's complaint was logged after the FAA released an emergency airworthiness directive about the Boeing 737 Max 8 in response to the crash of Lion Air Flight 610 in Indonesia.

An FAA spokesman said the reports found by The News were filed directly to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, which serves as a neutral third party for reporting purposes.

Tuesday evening, the FAA issued a statement from acting Administrator Daniel K. Elwell saying that the agency "continues to review extensively all available data and aggregate safety performance from operators and pilots of the Boeing 737 MAX."

"Thus far, our review shows no systemic performance issues and provides no basis to order grounding the aircraft. Nor have other civil aviation authorities provided data to us that would warrant action," the statement said.

A federal audit in 2014 said that the FAA does not collect and analyze its voluntary disclosure reporting in a way that would effectively identify national safety risks.


U.S. regulators are mandating that Boeing upgrade the plane's software by April but have so far declined to ground the planes. China, Australia and the European Union have grounded the 737 Max 8, leaving the U.S. and Canada as the only two countries flying a substantial number of the aircraft.

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who leads a Senate subcommittee overseeing aviation, said in a statement Tuesday that U.S. authorities should ground the planes.

"Further investigation may reveal that mechanical issues were not the cause, but until that time, our first priority must be the safety of the flying public," the Republican said.

At least 18 carriers — including American Airlines and Southwest Airlines, the two largest U.S. carriers flying the 737 Max 8 — have also declined to ground planes, saying they are confident in the safety and "airworthiness" of their fleets. American has 24 of the planes, and Southwest has 34.

"The United States should be leading the world in aviation safety," said John Samuelsen, president of a union representing transport workers that called Tuesday for the planes to be grounded. "And yet, because of the lust for profit in the American aviation, we're still flying planes that dozens of other countries and airlines have now said need to be grounded."

The complaint from the captain who called into question the 737 Max 8's flight manual ended: "The fact that this airplane requires such jury rigging to fly is a red flag. Now we know the systems employed are error-prone — even if the pilots aren't sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don't I know?"


The Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, or MCAS, was included on the Max 8 model as a safety mechanism that would automatically correct for a plane entering a stall pattern. If the plane loses lift under its wings during takeoff and the nose begins to point far upward, the system kicks in and automatically pushes the nose down.

After the Lion Air crash, the FAA issued an airworthiness directive that said: "This condition, if not addressed, could cause the flight crew to have difficulty controlling the airplane, and lead to excessive nose-down attitude, significant altitude loss, and possible impact with terrain."

Officials have not yet determined what caused Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 to nose-dive into the ground Sunday, but many experts have noted similarities between this week's crash and the one in Indonesia.


A spokesperson for Dallas-based Southwest Airlines told The News that it hasn't received any reports of issues with MCAS from its pilots, "nor do any of our thousands of data points from the aircraft indicate any issues with MCAS."

American Airlines emailed a statement to The News Tuesday night saying that it believes the Max 8 planes are safe, that its pilots are well-trained to fly them, and that the Fort Worth-based company has not "had similar issues regarding an erroneous angle of attack during manual flight."

The FAA issued a statement to The News on Tuesday saying it was "collecting data and keeping in contact with international civil aviation authorities as information becomes available."

"The FAA continuously assesses and oversees the safety performance of U.S. commercial aircraft," the statement said. "If we identify an issue that affects safety, the FAA will take immediate and appropriate action."

Jon Weaks, president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, said in a news release Monday night: "We fully support Southwest Airlines' decision to continue flying the MAX and the FAA's findings to date."

Boeing, which posted a record $101 billion in revenue last year, issued a new statement Tuesday saying that no grounding of planes was necessary. "Based on the information currently available, we do not have any basis to issue new guidance to operators," the company said.

Samuelsen, of the transport workers union, said it's "unconscionable" that the FAA has not yet grounded the planes in the U.S., given the number of deaths that have occurred.

"This pressure should not be on these pilots to overcome an engineering flaw that Boeing themselves acknowledges," he said.

How can I check whether my flight is on a 737 Max?
If you already have a ticket, you should be able to tell from the booking details. If you are making a booking online, many sites indicate the model. If not, websites such as http://flightstats.com allow you to dig into details of flights at least a few days in advance, including the make and type.

Bloomberg News


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2019/03/12/boeing-737-max-8-pilots-complained-feds-months-suspected-safety-flaw

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Nobody: 5:00pm On Mar 13, 2019
I believe the issue of this 737 Max 8 is partly a factory error, maintenance and pilot technique!

Since some American airlines have refused to remove them from their fleet and are confidence of their "safety and airworthiness", then I guess the previous crashes involving Indonesia, China and now Ethiopia were due to carelessness on the part of the airline servicing crew! QED!!

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by CwazyBlaqGal(f): 5:00pm On Mar 13, 2019
Interesting
Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by KingAzubuike(f): 5:01pm On Mar 13, 2019
Boeing is a very complex and dangerous aircraft to fly compared to cesenna and the likes. To prevent future disastrous occurrence like this, I suggest airports and aviation authorities around the world should make commercial airliners fly on cesennas only which usually is safer and can accommodate a maximum of 4 passengers. Even if na Australia or new Zealand you dey go they will first go and drop four passengers first before they come back to carry another four. That's my own opinion.

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Edagentle(m): 5:02pm On Mar 13, 2019
That's quite long to read, someone read and summarize abeg. undecided

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by MrHighSea: 5:02pm On Mar 13, 2019
Edagentle:
That's quite long to read, someone read and summarize abeg. undecided
Seconded

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Xisnin(m): 5:02pm On Mar 13, 2019
Boeing 737 max is not like older Boeing model, yet no new instruction manuals were provided.
Boeing should scrap that model and start a new design from scratch.

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Dagrindpo1991(m): 5:02pm On Mar 13, 2019
Good to hear that
Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by biGwal(m): 5:02pm On Mar 13, 2019
God help us ooooo
Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Hezzyluv: 5:03pm On Mar 13, 2019
Negligence has put many families in pain now embarassed

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by McAausim: 5:03pm On Mar 13, 2019
D tin tire me def...... lipsrsealed

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by sexyking1: 5:03pm On Mar 13, 2019
Kai see how Boeing 737 carrier end!
Prayers; my Father my Father any incidents or accident, directly or indirectly planned to end my carrier must be destroyed in Jesus Name! Amen

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by martineverest(m): 5:04pm On Mar 13, 2019
useless company..they have been manufacturing killer planes with poor airworthiness.thank God the European union,Asians and African countries are grounding the planes...Boeing market share will plunge


time for Airbus sales to soar

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by LamidicownuBSS: 5:04pm On Mar 13, 2019
Summarize, am coming back later
Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by durovic: 5:05pm On Mar 13, 2019
Planes becoming too complex for pilots to fly. Words of Donald Trump we now need scientists from MIT

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Albinoflash(m): 5:05pm On Mar 13, 2019
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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Sheriman(m): 5:06pm On Mar 13, 2019
Seun Osewa Please Summarize these for us

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by DMerciful(m): 5:06pm On Mar 13, 2019
If Boeing doesn't manage this well, it will wreck their business! Airbus will be happy with Boeing's tragedy but not necessarily that people died!

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by ken6488(m): 5:06pm On Mar 13, 2019
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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by coolestchris(m): 5:07pm On Mar 13, 2019
I hope miracle doesn't drive this ones oh
Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by qualityovenbake(m): 5:08pm On Mar 13, 2019
just watched the video of the passenger praying in the Ethiopian air crash. Am scared right now.

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by sammyj: 5:10pm On Mar 13, 2019
shocked
Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by Focusmind: 5:10pm On Mar 13, 2019
I pity Boeing - their market shares are falling like pack of cards at the New York Exchange since the Ethiopian airline crash. Countries are offloading the plane at an alarming proportion. The people I pity are those that have pre-paid and placed huge orders. No refund after payment is always a clause in such contract.

Boeing fierce rivals, Airbus and Bombardier will be smiling to the bank now.

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Re: Several Boeing 737 Max 8 Pilots In U.S. Complained About Suspected Safety Flaw by InaNla(f): 5:11pm On Mar 13, 2019
Turkish Ariline...

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