GRIMMJOE:
Is it the same God that created light before he created the sun? not so omniscience after all.

Do you know why we have seasons. How we are able to know when to plant, sow and harvest. How we are able to keep, track time and know time, huh?. Smh

budaatum:
You mean, you read in a book written by unomniscient humans that "God created light before he created the sun"?
Or did you hear it from God that light was created before the sun?

GRIMMJOE, Bible 101, God is Light, lol. C'mon. Smh.

MuttleyLaff:


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Why are you repeating yourself three times nah?
We are the lucky ones GRIMMJOE, lol. That's how we are here, lol

Is that how only you remember giving God permission to create us?

budaatum:

You mean, you read in a book written by unomniscient humans that "God created light before he created the sun"?

Or did you hear it from God that light was created before the sun?

Order of Creation

the first day - light was created.

the second day - the sky was created.

the third day - plants and trees were created.

the fourth day - the Sun was created.

GRIMMJOE:
Is that how only you remember giving God permission to create us?

Creativity doesnt seek permission. Creativity doesnt give grant or give permission for its creation. Creativity encourages its creation.

GRIMMJOE:
Order of Creation
the first day - light was created.
the second day - the sky was created.
the third day - plants and trees were created.
the fourth day - the Sun was created.

Do you know why we have seasons. How we are able to know when to plant, sow and harvest. How we are able to keep, track time and know time, huh?. Smh

I totally disagreed. Religion has not failed. All what you listed is not the role of religion. It's the role of government. Government failed. You are all looking up to religion because of the failure government.

GRIMMJOE:


You answered my question with free will by not choosing an option, there is no free will in Christianity. What if one doesn't want going to heaven, what if when I die I just want to remain dead. This option doesn't exist, because free will doesn't exist.

So, in your own opinion, Christians can't use free will to decide to disobey God? Christians can't steal, can't kill, and can't hate their enemies, because freewill does not exist in Christianity, according to you?

I suggest you become an atheist. Then you'd at least have to rely on the evidence before you instead of just believing what you understand you read in a book.

GRIMMJOE:

Order of Creation

the first day - light was created.

the second day - the sky was created.

the third day - plants and trees were created.

the fourth day - the Sun was created.

According to what you read in a book, right?

luvmijeje:
I totally disagreed. Religion has not failed. All what you listed is not the role of religion. It's the role of government. Government failed. You are all looking up to religion because of the failure government.

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Of course religion has not failed
Not doing the attitudes, habits, etcetera of James 1:27 et al is what's amiss

budaatum:

So, in your own opinion, Christians can't use free will to decide to disobey God? Christians can't steal, can't kill, and can't hate their enemies, because freewill does not exist in Christianity, according to you?

I suggest you become an atheist. Then you'd at least have to rely on the evidence before you instead of just believing what you understand you read in a book.

You jumped into an already ongoing conversation with me and MuttleyLaff.
Here's the argument.

Muttley claims humans have free will, and with this free will we gave God permission to create us, but we don't remember.

budaatum:

According to what you read in a book, right?

Not just any book, the supposed word of God " The Bible "

GRIMMJOE:
You jumped into an already ongoing conversation with me and MuttleyLaff.
Here's the argument.

Muttley claims humans have free will, and with this free will we gave God permission to create us, but we don't remember.

I did jump indeed. Not only did humans write the book you mention, but as you can see for yourself, we also decide what it means to us and how we understand it. So why you blaming God for Muttley when its your likely view that Muttley is exercising his freewill despite what Muttley claims?

GRIMMJOE:
Not just any book, the supposed word of God " The Bible "

"Supposed" by you that God wrote it?

budaatum:
I did jump indeed. Not only did humans write the book you mention, but as you can see for yourself, we also decide what it means to us and how we understand it. So why you blaming God for Muttley when its your likely view that Muttley is exercising his freewill despite what Muttley claims?

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GRIMMJOE:
Not just any book, the supposed word of God " The Bible "

budaatum:
"Supposed" by you that God wrote it?

Three times God ever wrote. Twice on tablets and once on the sands, lol. Dare I say, a fourth one, on hearts too, lol

MuttleyLaff:
Do you know why we have seasons. How we are able to know when to plant, sow and harvest.

Agricultural Science

MuttleyLaff:
How we are able to keep, track time and know time, huh?. Smh

Wrists watch and Wall clock

MuttleyLaff:


Three times God ever wrote. Twice on tablets and once on the sands, lol. Dare I say, a fourth one, on hearts too, lol

It does not say "God wrote", but with freewill, one may decide to understand it that way.

budaatum:

I did jump indeed. Not only did humans write the book you mention, but as you can see for yourself, we also decide what it means to us and how we understand it.

This explains the flaws

badaatum:
So why you blaming God for Muttley when its your likely view that Muttley is exercising his freewill despite what Muttley claims?

MuttleyLaff have suffered, look at how your fellow brethren disowned you.

MuttleyLaff:
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I'm surprise too, I never saw this plot twist.

GRIMMJOE:
Agricultural Science

=>(check) ✓ 3/10

GRIMMJOE:
Wrists watch and Wall clock

=>(check) ✓ 3/10

Yiu think you are half as clever, lol. OK what does Agricultural Science, Wrists watch and Wall clock rely on to know the seasons, to keep,, know and track time?

budaatum:

It does not say "God wrote", but with freewill, one may decide to understand it that way.

Look at MuttleyLaff getting educated on the Bible.

GRIMMJOE:
This explains the flaws
MuttleyLaff have suffered, look at how your fellow brethren disowned you.

budaatum is right, she's absolutely right, didnt you know before ni, huh? Did you think that God came down and physically with His own Hands write up the Bible ni? C'mon now, dont be like that, lol. Oh you wan fall my hand, lol

GRIMMJOE:
I'm surprise too, I never saw this plot twist.

Its because you're a learner. L-Plate's hanging round your neck, lol. You've got loads to learn, lol

MuttleyLaff:
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Yiu think you are half as clever, lol. OK what does Agricultural Science, Wrists watch and Wall clock rely on to know the seasons, to keep,, know and track time?

Atheists simply mean a disbelief in the existence of God (s) , you do know an atheists can be someone that is uneducated right?

GRIMMJOE:

This explains the flaws
MuttleyLaff have suffered, look at how your fellow brethren disowned you.

I see you like assuming. Facts and evidence seem irrelevant to you.

How is it a flaw for me to understand what I read how I understand it? Is that not what you done above in assuming who my "fellow brethren" is?

I don't agree that what can be considered 'human nature', is a flaw, unless you wish to accept there is a flawless human being somewhere.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum is right, she's absolutely right, didnt you know before ni, huh? Did you think that God came down and physically with His own Hands write up the Bible ni? C'mon now, dont be like that, lol. Oh you wan fall my hand, lol

Its because you're a learner. L-Plate's hanging round your neck, lol. You've got loads to learn, lol

If you have nothing to say, maybe we should pick a new topic like:

1. The Story of Mary
2. The Story of the great flood
3. or how the Bible claims the earth rest on 4 pillars.

you can add yours

GRIMMJOE:
Look at MuttleyLaff getting educated on the Bible.

You're getting wool pulled over your eyes, because you are taken for a gullible. It is not "God wrote", that's why budaatum, put it in inverted commas, the original word used is fashioned, to form, (i.e. Hebrew word is yatsar) just like as a potter who forms out of clay a vessel, a human being body. Praise God. Alleluia. So much for Bible 101 free lessons here for GRIMMJOE, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
You're getting wool pulled over your eyes, because you are taken for a gullible. It is not "God wrote", that's why budaatum, put it in inverted commas, the original word used is fashioned, to form, (i.e. Hebrew word is yatsar) just like as a potter who forms out of clay a vessel, a human being body. Praise God. Alleluia. So much for Bible 101 free lessons here for GRIMMJOE, lol.

That's cool.

GRIMMJOE:
If you have nothing to say, maybe we should pick a new topic like:

1. The Story of Mary
2. The Story of the great flood
3. or how the Bible claims the earth rest on 4 pillars.

you can add yours

Lukeatew. Anything in skirt will do abi? Anything in sight. Drowning man, clutching at straws, lol. "Gbe body eh, kuro nbi jare" loosely translated means "Move! Move your body, comot am leave place jor"

budaatum:

I see you like assuming. Facts and evidence seem irrelevant to you.

How is it a flaw for me to understand what I read how I understand it? Is that not what you done above in assuming who my "fellow brethren" is?

I don't agree that what can be considered 'human nature', is a flaw, unless you wish to accept there is a flawless human being somewhere.

What about our discussion on God creating light before the Sun. Is that mistake human nature too.

GRIMMJOE:
That's cool.

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For real, lol. Pẹẹlẹ. Ndo

GRIMMJOE:
What about our discussion on God creating light before the Sun.

You still havent cop on, erhn?
God is Light, my friend. Light emanates, emanated from Him, His being. Facepalm.

MuttleyLaff:
You still havent cop on, erhn?
God is Light, my friend. Light emanates, emanated from Him, His being. Facepalm.

So you're telling me on the first day God created God, budaatum do you agree on this or you need to educate him some more.