|Join Nairaland / Login / Trending / Recent / New|
Stats: 1239823 members, 1641845 topics. Date: Tuesday, 16 September 2014 at 06:28 PM
|Culture / Re: Igbos Were The Proto-Bantus -Igbodefender.com by somegirl1: 11:57pm On Sep 12|
As stated in an earlier post, Obasi isn't God across Igbo land. I thought it was Efik/ Ibibio the first time I heard it. It's not used in my part(s) of Igbo land.
The emboldened bits can be used to argue that Yoruba is also a bantoid language. Akuko is fowl in Yoruba, and has the "ku rootword". I could also play around with Erioba as you've done with some words and claim the Oba part establishes a relationship between the two languages. Give it a rest already. Why can't we just be Igbo, no far-fetched affinities.
|Culture / Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by somegirl1: 11:43pm On Sep 12|
Not where I come from and not in all of Igbo land, which I am sure you know every well.
|Culture / Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by somegirl1: 2:14pm On Sep 12|
Ihuomadinihu: This thread is for people that are interested in the igbo/bantu linguistic connection.
God is Obasi is Igbo groups close to Ibibio etc not across
|Culture / Re: Igbos Were The Proto-Bantus -Igbodefender.com by somegirl1: 2:08pm On Sep 12|
This similar sounding names issue has been over-flogged.
Unless they mean the same or similar things in Igbo and Bantu languages, that argument holds no water. Chi isn't even God or guardian spirit in Bantoid languages.
Sochi is a Russian City and could actually mean different things in Igbo language depending on how it's pronounced. "Ch" is a Russian phoneme. Does this make Igbo and Russian related languages?
Any two languages can be argued to be related by cleverly selecting few words thAt seem/ sound alike when used out of context.
|Family / Re: Your Mother-in-law Or Your Mother: Who Stays After Your Wife Delivers? by somegirl1: 2:19pm On Aug 10|
A woman would (usually) still be more comfortable with and around her biological mother than with any other elderly woman, regardless of how much they disagree.
No bad blood (usually) when you fight with your own family. I can't say the same about in-laws or anyone else.
|Romance / Re: Things A Guy Shouldn't Do In A Lady's Presence by somegirl1: 2:25am On Jan 01|
A man also shouldn't fart frequently and without care around a woman. It's not just disrespectful but removes from his attractiveness.
Women are just as grossed out by this as men are.
|Culture / Re: What Are The Things You Like About Other Ethnic Groups And Tribes? by somegirl1: 2:23am On Dec 20, 2013|
agbotaen: it is your kingless igbo fathers who were living in little unorganised villages eating human beings that are silly, you igbon , slaves , who told you ika was benin or have you ever seen an ika man saying he is benin? why dont igbos mind their business , you tried biafra , it failed in ika and we chased you people out , and today we have also distanced our selfs from igbos , we are ika ethnic group we are not benin and we are not igbo .if you like engage in your usual propaganda , that was how nigeria army was killing your people enmass and you were saying you have destroyed the army
|Romance / Re: My Girlfriend Tested Me With Cheating & 'Pregnancy' by somegirl1: 1:57am On Dec 16, 2013|
YcBeat: Op lemme make this clear to you, STOP being used like an utensil.........she had an ABORTION!!! It was cool to her wen she was doing d s.ex thang and since d other guy ran away, she wants to console herself with coming back to you.......BE WISE BROTHER, ITS NO TEST, USE YOUR BRAIN!!! Pere.....my 2penny.
Why would she declare it if she was going to have an abortion?
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 4:49am On Dec 11, 2013|
If this is true, I must say Igbos are greater people than I initially imagined. The supposedly relatively less organized, less powerful people not only revolutionized the language and culture of the supposedly more organized, more powerful ones but also changed their place names. Their king(s) could/ would not object to this and the "favour" wasn't returned? These we managed without kings of our own? We truly are great.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 4:31am On Dec 11, 2013|
agbotaen: 1. learn to appreciate others , and learn to say the truth , igbos surely took kingship from other people , it is the british that introduced the igbos to warrant chiefs that later turned to kings , and even many communities in igboland that did not have kings are now having , his royal majesties.
agbotaen: 2. igbos were not known to have kings in the past but now all their villages are now quashi kingdoms , and they are cannot tell us that they borrowed kingship from ika/ bini people.
Igbos in the south east didn't have kings/ monarchs at the time the Europeans came. There is a reason for the old saying "Igbo enweghi Eze".
If everyone around us including Benin, Kalabari, Efik/ Ibibio with whom we had dealings from time immemorial had kings, do you not think there is a reason we opted for a democratic government where the people governed the people rather than monarchy? Kingship wasn't alien to us, probably something we'd practised initially and decided it wasn't for us.
I personally don't see anything wonderful about having/ having had a king. I prefer the south eastern system of government, which was more effective. We didn't have many Igbos fleeing their lands for fear of a ruler like Binis did as I've gathered from the numerous accounts of Bini migration.
Igbo communities and area governments were overwhelmingly ruled solely by a consultative assembly of the common people. Communities were usually governed and administered by a council of elders.
Ours was/ is a unique system. We've practised democracy for centuries, something Nigeria is struggling to get the hang of. It takes a great deal of organization and civilization to maintain such a system. It is a lot easier to comply with laws/ orders created by a ruler imposed on you than with laws/ orders created by an ordinary man such as yourself.
The Brits who supposedly introduced kingship to us now use our style of governance where they have several MPs, ordinary people elected by the people.The queen of England's role is now just ceremonial.
What does one need Obis, Obas etc who were stripped of their powers by a foreign queen for?
Quit going on and on about kingship like it's something to be especially proud of.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 1:48am On Dec 04, 2013|
a suffix meaning “resembling,” “like,” used in the formation of adjectives and nouns (and often implying an incomplete or imperfect resemblance to what is indicated by the preceding element): alkaloid; anthropoid; cardioid; cuboid; lithoid; ovoid; planetoid.
Umu is an Igbo word used by Igbo speakers and rumu (Ikwerre) also meaning child is like umu and is an Igboid word.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 11:57pm On Dec 03, 2013|
So clearly, the issue isn't grabbing land of those who identify as Igbo after all cos Lagos is clearly not Igbo land. Distancing yourselves from people who could potentially claim your land anyways whether or not you agree to being one of them is pointless after all. That's beside the point however.
I'm predominantly from Imo State.
Your comment implies that there is an Igbo language which Ika dialects/ languages differ from. Can you please clarify which of the Igbo dialects or Igboid languages (if you prefer to see refer to them as such) is the standard Igbo langauge, which you have compared your dialects/ languages with.
The emboldened statement puzzles me as I believe language and culture are all that is required to establish a relationship between groups. What are the "all other factors" that are different?
If your statement was made in reference to origin, still makes no sense as you know various Igbos groups have different origins and histories.
Unless there is evidence that a place name like "Umunede" was corrupted by Igbo settlers or Umu also means children or something else in Bini langauge and Bini towns/ villages exist which are named in that format, the name indicates the presence of Igbos in the area whether they be indigenous people or fellow migrants, who named the place after Ede, "the Bini migrant".
I understand your argument of not wanting to be grouped as Igbo however even if all Igboid groups were lumped together under a different name, there would still be those who would seek to separate themselves. The Igbo classification isn't the issue.
By the emboldened statement you have admitted to being of the same stock as other Igbo sub groups/ Igboid groups whether or not you choose to dissociate yourselves from the group name.
I think most people who've participated in this debate seek/ sought to make it clear to all that you speak an Igbo dialect/ Igboid language.
I for one, do not dispute your claim that some Ika people have Bini links. This is only natural given your location.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 10:03pm On Dec 02, 2013|
^^"Umu" is Igbo, "rumu" is Igboid.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 1:41pm On Dec 02, 2013|
Good to know you're better now
The above are few of many misconceptions. If Delta Igbos have been described as lazy, I'm unaware of this.
Growing up I knew Bendel-Igbos as Igbos who happen to be located in Bendel state and Ndonis as Igbos in Rivers state.
What people don't seem to understand is that Igbos are very clannish. Even within what is known as "core" Igboland, we have reservations about people from other states, LGAs, villages even family compounds
But when push comes to shove, we are Igbo.
I read all the time that Igbos are land grabbers and expansionistic especially from Ikwerres, this is another major misconception.
The Mbaise man has never attempted to grab the land of his Owerre neighbour neither has the Nsuka man claimed Oka land as his.
Igbos acquired a huge chunk of Ikwerre land, fair and square and any lands they now occupy. Nobody's fault if one decides to sell his father's compound to a stranger who has the means to purchase it.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, we all have some mix of something non-"core" Igbo hence the difference in dialects.
Your being Igbo or not, doesn't put or remove food from anyone's table. I'm just intrigued by viewpoints in this debate hence my participation.
I can't understand how someone would distance himself from Igbo and cite his source as Onu -Ika, (voice/ mouthpiece of Ika in Igbo language) and how a people called Umunede are Bini originally.
The difference between your dialect and other Igbo dialects is not more significant, in my opinion and I stand to be corrected, than the difference between Oratta and Ohafia or Abiriba and Nsuka.
On a side note, what I also don't understand is how and why people who claim to have migrated from elsewhere are protective of land that doesn't originally belong to them. Ikwerres claim to be Bini migrants just as you do, that would mean the lands you now occupy belong to a different group originally.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 9:54pm On Dec 01, 2013|
hun, our values differ. I haven't said ours are better than yours. The guilty are afraid.
Having lived in Port Harcourt, I find it fairly easy to differentiate an Igbo person from an Ikwerre.
Yours is an Igboid group not an Igbo sub group.
Igbos who grew up in PH know better than to fraternize with you.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 4:33pm On Dec 01, 2013|
I would say he did Igbos a disservice by mentioning Ikwerres as Igbo.
You are right, we are different in looks, poise, behaviour and values.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 3:47pm On Dec 01, 2013|
Sure dear, shoot......
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 10:42pm On Nov 30, 2013|
chux4liv: But record doesnt have it that umunede got colonised by bini rather it was formed by one of the prince of bini King called Ede and wife Iye.
Just out of curiousity....
Why is the clan formed by this man Ede called Umunede? That's clearly an Igbo name. Is there an original place name which was corrupted by Igbos?
I'm sure Bini has their own word for "children" and way of saying "children of" or "children who". Are there any Bini towns named in that format? i.e "children of......", "children who......" as is done in Igbo areas?
Well, Eze Chima/ Chime has been cited by several sources as having been the Bini founding father of Onitsha and some parts of Delta-Igbo. If this is true, then there you have your record of an Igbo man who fled Bini as "ch" sound is not found in Bini language or west of Bini.
|Family / Re: Nigerian Killed By A Lorry After Storming Out Of Car During Row With Wife In UK by somegirl1: 4:15am On Nov 29, 2013|
He is known to be very imaginative. Please indulge him.
|Culture / Re: Why Do Igbo People Detest Marrying Other Tribes? by somegirl1: 4:08am On Nov 29, 2013|
|Art, Graphics & Video / Re: 30 Most Powerful Photos Ever Taken. The Kind You Never Ever Forget by somegirl1: 4:53pm On Nov 28, 2013|
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by somegirl1: 10:28pm On Nov 27, 2013|
This debate isn't worth the trading insults over. I'm of the opinion that "Delta-Igbos" are Igbos with some Bini ancestry rather than Bini with some Igbo ancestry.
The relatively few migrants from Bini would have met indigenous people in the areas they migrated to with whom they'd have intermarried. It is therefore incorrect for any to state that they aren't Igbo as the history of the group that is now known as Igbo is diverse. Most of us have a mix of something non "core Igbo" somewhere which I believe accounts for the significant difference in dialect and traditions.
If a Bini man marries as Igbo woman, they have a son who marries an Igbo woman, who has a son who marries an Igbo woman etc, their descendants would eventually be more Igbo by blood than Bini.
So while it is key to acknowledge any known (and confirmed) origin, it would be incorrect to dismiss (what might be) the major part of one's composition in favour of (what might be) the less significant part.
P.s Bini language doesn't have "ch" as a sound/ alphabet so Eze Chima/ Chime couldn't have been Bini or an ancestor of ethnic Bini migrants.
One does have a right to identify with any group he chooses to identify with at the end of the day, whether or not he is viewed differently by others.
|Celebrities / Re: Jude Okoye, Others Unhappy With Peter's Marriage by somegirl1: 2:58am On Nov 23, 2013|
peppy luv: Igbo men marry experied yoruba women?? Lol u are a very dry comedian! Try again!
The emboldened is my opinion as well + they have two children and Igbo men generally don't like to have children with more than one woman.
If she were full Yoruba, it would have been harder for an Anambra man to have gotten involved in the first place.
I think Jude's stance should be respected as all those ranting could never care about his brother's well-being and happiness more than he does. He and other family members who didn't attend must have had good reason not to especially if their late mother never approved of her.
Whether the allegations are unfounded or not, I personally wouldn't want my brother or son to marry a woman considerably older.
On the other hand, Peter's decision to marry her despite the allegations should also be respected. He is a grown man after all.
Wish them Happy Married Life.
|Culture / Re: Yoruba Prince Dayo Weds Cameroonian Beauty, Singer Naomi Achu! by somegirl1: 7:18pm On Nov 21, 2013|
I spoke to a Western Cameroonian once and initially thought he was Igbo, Ibibio/ Efik or Rivers non-Igbo, in this order.
He'd never been to Nigeria.
Our accents aren't significantly different.
|Celebrities / Re: Teebillz Daughter & Tiwa Savage’s Step-daughter (Picture) by somegirl1: 2:42am On Nov 21, 2013|
erm....same reason most Nigerian men would leave an otherwise perfect woman just because she has a child.
|Culture / Re: Yoruba Prince Dayo Weds Cameroonian Beauty, Singer Naomi Achu! by somegirl1: 2:27am On Nov 21, 2013|
onila: parents of the couple
My Igbo aunty on the left
|Family / Re: Are You Sending Your Housemaids To School? by somegirl1: 4:01pm On Nov 19, 2013|
As long as people continue to irresponsibly birth more children than they can take care of, there will always be the issue of child labour.
I personally see nothing wrong with fostering someone else's child in order to provide the child with a standard of living their parents aren't able to provide them with. I also see nothing wrong with designating age appropriate tasks to a child I choose to foster, tasks I'm able to designate to my own children.
I won't ask my 12 yr old to cook, take care of a baby, go shopping, clean the entire house, bathe another child, do laundry (even theirs) etc....so I wouldn't expect another person's 12 yr old to those.
I would however, expect my 16yr old to ASSIST with preparing meals, watch a baby for a short period, do some light cleaning, go to the shops, begin to do their own laundry...etc so I would have no issues designating such tasks to someone around that age.
Whether or not they are sent to school, it's unfair to give them more chores than you'd have your own children do.
If you need a house keeper or nanny, employ an adult!
What breaks my heart is seeing people sending their house helps to hawk on the streets. They could do that from their parents' homes if their parents wanted that for them.
One needs to remember that it is hard on these helps to have been forced to leave their parents' homes to live with, in most cases, an absolute stranger. If we put ourselves in their shoes, we'd be more sympathetic or at least empathetic to their plight.
|Jokes Etc / Re: A Black Man Will Do Anything To Please The White Man! by somegirl1: 1:52am On Oct 26, 2013|
You mean to make money not please a white man. The man is doing his job, wouldn't have mattered if the riding kissers where of a different race.
|Celebrities / Re: Gentle Jack With His Wife And Son. (photos) by somegirl1: 1:34pm On Oct 22, 2013|
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by somegirl1: 1:07am On Oct 21, 2013|
^ Nna you're welcome . Onye nwe anyi gozie kwa gi.
Truly, the sound of the Oja quickens its listener(s). I remember watching Unoka use the Oja to stir and prepare Okonkwo for the wrestling match with Amalinze "the cat" in Things Fall Apart. Even as a child I thoroughly enjoyed that scene and the music.
Such a beautiful story of your grandparents' courting, that was when life was much simpler. Ka nna gi ukwu n'ezuo ike udo.
|Culture / Re: Somali And Korean Wedding! (korean Dude And Somali Princess) by somegirl1: 3:48pm On Oct 19, 2013|
On a Nigerian site? You seem to forget where you are. You can take your private conversation and inconsequential pride elsewhere. (A) truly proud person/ people won't keep trying to convince themselves of their self worth.
It's the Mods I blame. Allowing scum post on this site.
|Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health |
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket
Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2014 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See Nairalist and How To Advertise. 169