OnionBandit: Omoh! Small money wey Dem give Kenya, see what they did with it. Our own never do us to steal. I totally agree that this country is fantastically corrupt, but the solution is definitely not that Agulu mediocre who has no idea about anything
nairalanda1: You have and unfortunately, your conclusions don't hold up
The sad thing is that in life, nothing is free. Someone is paying for it if it is free.
Unless you want church school and hospitals to be like your local poorly equipped hospitals and schools in the villages.
Yeah, I don't like our pentecostal pastors money centered messaging either too.
Mfm for example pay their local pastor as at 2 years back about 20k. I mean those pastor serving under regions/zonal regions. While regional overseers seems to be paid above 100 although their children fees are taken care by the church.
See i use to assist pastors a lot so i know much info in this church...
That's why i cancelled that area where u called decent.
Back to the topic... If u cant subsidise ur fees or u charge above most private schools then there is no need taking money from members to build those schools. Its simple
nairalanda1: Those mission schools were funded from overseas, did not need as much equipment as today's schools, and at the end, did not admit the numbers today's schools in this country admit (exams were very very hard, even till now).
Nothing like free school, someone is paying somewhere. When we got independent, and the people of the UK and US stopped going to church, that's when reality set in.
Also, remember again...that they pay staff from those fees. YES THEY DO. And you expect them to live if fees were non existent?
You can still send the kids to government school, they are relatively subsidised, and not all of them are awful.
Also mission schools from the past charged fees...and yes, there were kids who struggled to meet those fees...that's why eventually after independence, government subsidised education in government shcoolls massively
Keep in mind that the school you cited above IS RUN BY AN INDIGENOUS christian denominaton. They don't have access to foriegn funds, or government funds, they have to pay their pastors decent salaries...they also have paid church workers, and also missionaries, and a printing press. All that costs money.
IN other words, they should pay their lecturers as low as 100000 naira per month, starting from professors
Also, admin costs and maintenace are not the only things universities are all about, son. There is the expansion costs...because what students need to learn to survive in today's world is changing. LIke now, science, tech, medicine, etc...all need newer and newer equipment and even more and more buidlings. And more and more qualified and good staff who are not going to accept scanty salaries because 'free school'.
You realize how expensive universites are? Damm, that's why ASUU goes on strike every time...it isn't just for their salaries by the way, it is so that universites have the funds to compete with international universities.
Otherwise, kids from naija unis are going to lose out in the job market to naija kids who went abroad for their education, ie the largely rich kids. You won't want that
i EVEN forgot that populaiton of students is increasing self. This is not the 1970's when one university had 2000-3000 students.
That's where scholarships, grants, etc come in. (Many poor students in this country have relied on the annual scholarships granted by the oil companies, and then there is NELFUND)
So? At the end, you are basically arguing that churches should set up poorly funded universities because their members must go to uni for free?
O ma se o.
If you want to have everything free...that's a nice way of bankruping a church without having the pasta and the ministars stealing money. The loans them go take....
I know of a hospital in a rural area, run by a denomination, that charges cheap fees. As a result they cannot handle serious cases, and can only afford to have a NYSC doctor and two to three nurses. If your problem is big, they refer you to the big hospital in the city where you have to pay big fees
They could upgrade, but their operating costs would shoot up.
Therein lies the problem
The church you are calling out....you know they have high hopsital , school fees, because if they did not, they won't be able to hire and retain staff, maintain hospital equipement, maintain school equipment, and even do expansion
Pata pata, when we tell you people to stop voting APC, PDP, and all them obi, atiku and tinubu, and vote in a leader who would make us an industrial nation,,and tell us truths about our poverty, and how we need to stop relying on awa oil that cannot feed 3 million people...you guys will laugh and call us agbero and vote waster.
Perhaps the solution is....well, hospitals have a solution...NHIA...which allows patients to access service at a cheaper rate, and for universites...scholarships, NELFUND Inclusive.
Nothing goes for free. Lord knows, i wish it was not so.
pay their pastors decent salarie
Goodby i can't argue with u i think i have made my self clear enough
nairalanda1: Church unis and hopsitals are very expensive, because universites and hospitals, by their nature, are very expensive.
Keep in mind that from the revenue they earn they have to pay staff salaries, pay for buildings, and expansion (because of NUC accreditation things re universites, which also brings us back to staff salaries...)pay for maintenance, pay for utility bills (which have shot up drastically), and so forth. Note that government is not paying any money for them (as Oyedepo himself once said about his university, the only help he got from government was reducing the burecratic process of land acquisition...otherwise, zero).
Yes, we can make 'church universites and hospitals' affordable for all, but that means that staff salaries are reduced to the barest minimum, they may have to do without facilites (eg a church rural hospital may have to do without a anaesthesia work station, because that would add more money to the patient';s bill) or they may end up using rundown facilites even when they are not fit for use, or overcrowded.
The only answer to the problem is scholarships, for univeristes , health insurance (NHIA, many private incl church hospitals take NHIA Patients) or some rich guy spends millions sponsoring students, or paying for patients in hospital, which may not be sustainable...for long.
It does not matter whether the university is christian, muslim, athiest, traditionalist, etc...so long as government is not supporting them financially, they have no choice but to raise money from fees...ditto hospital. Or una wan pay professor N40000 and consultant N60000 montly because 'poor got to go to school' ?
I know, church owner is rich (yeah, I know, which is why I am not exactly a fan of nigerian pentecostalism...rich pastor, poor congregants)..but let's say pastor billionaire gave up 90% of his wealth (as they should) to keep fees down...it would work, until the money runs out. What next?
Go and study the mode of missionary schools brought by whites those days. Study their methods of fees. Their aim and objectives.
Before then faith academy secondary schools is 200k for juniors and 270k for senior secondary schools. This exclude PTA and other fee that if u add it will get to 500k per term. How many members that contributed can send their children there?
Let's not go to the university level.
You can argue till tomorrow
They can charge fees to cover administrative cost but not profit. Anything that exceed admin, maintainance of facilities and hit profit then its now business. Take it or leave it. . Or what's the need of members contributing and at end of the day they cant send their children they still go to private schools. Lets leave private schools to run the business.
I know of a popular church in East. Their hospital bills is in hundred of thousand. If someone heard u wenr their they assume u are big man. Their primary and secondary schools are for the elite their university same
masterfactor: The people that called LAGOS a no mans land was not even part of the Lagos right from inception. People from the south East has no history with people from the South West.
Check who call Lagos no man's land.... Browse the net
ejieddy: Sometimes it's good you apply scripture to your life about not being hasty to speak but very quick to listen. I know the RCCG does it because you have to give an account of your income every month. We call it remittance. I know because I did it last Sunday. I have the accountant of our province call me if anything is wrong or if the account isn't proper. These accountants are full time staff, mostly chartered and know what they are doing. Early this year, I went for an Audit, where that church account for two years was audited. All discrepancies were noted and I had to give account for it. Paul writing to the church in Corinth said it is required that stewards be found faithful. I'm not doing it for them, I'm doing it as unto the Lord. And every church should do same. It's not the Pastor's money. It's God's money, the people's money and they deserve transparency and proper account. So don't just write a long epistle of what you don't know. God is raising a new generation of people who will treat his work with the sanctity it demands and deserves.
With the little resources we have and what we remit, we do our community responsibility called CSR. By 15th Nov, we will do another and distribute some rice to the people. It might be two cups, but it's something. We are also paying WAEC fees for our members. Be very careful sometimes what you say especially when you don't know. God is merciful, but there's also judgement.
Well you are talking about remittance to the head office.
We are taking about houw is this money that was sent to the head quarters are used for?
During the covid-19 mock down how many churches were able to send a trailer load of rice, food, money to all branches when members were asked to stay home?? At least the store house should be opened so hungry members can feed.
Check all church universities.. Can your child attend any? Even church hospitals are all expensive.
Am not talking about how they monitored branches to send all money to headquarters.. Why can't they feed anf take care of the poor with all.... Alll funds
ejieddy: They are only saying keep records, give proper account and governance over your branches. It's not a bad thing. The RCCG does it. Every Branch Pastor shouldn't just take major financial decisions without carrying his superior or obtaining proper, recorded permission. But everyone wants to be a leader that takes decisions without anyone questioning them.
How do u know RCCG does it? Or because u attend their service or its your church?
Most or all Nigerian churches are run like sole proprietorship or rather a company. They take money contributed to buy lands, build church branches, build schools and all this monies goes to or heavily controlled by the founder most times.
Churches are supposed to run like a charity organisation where funds donated are usually used to assist the poor, carry out communal project etc. . But here what u see.. Is church project church project but when the founder passes away the church finances, schools and buildings goes to the family
Check all rising preachers on Facebook...after their videos start going viral n making waves the next is "we want to build 2 thousand capacity worship center costing 50 million or above"
After that they talk about school and raise funds from members in which the members can't even pay to attend the school.
Non talk centre their messages and communal finances to the poor n needt except once in a while they distribute rice n call the media
If u doubt me if u are ill or have any members of ur family who are ill and need funds to carry out operation. Run to ur church and ask the pastor or head for financial assistance. U will discover that they can't help at worst rather they still turn to members as to contribute. One now ask where are all funds tithe and offerings and contributions going to? Sadly its gone into church building or church schools etc.
What about the people the poor jesus committed the church to look after when he even told someon of his followers to sell their houses n give to the poor But what we see is people gathering earthly possessions . One even had to appoint his son as General oversear with all appearance that contradict Nigerian Christian standards. If that son with his appearance appear in any church honestly no one will allow him lead as children Sunday school teacher
This was Odumegwu Ojukwu campaigning for president in 2003. He couldn’t even win his local government. He lost all states in the southeastern Nigeria.
Of course, people would argue that the election was rigged. But that election showed Ojukwu didn’t have the popularity he thought he had… especially losing all local government areas in Igboland.
In fact, in Ebonyi state, Obasanjo won 94% while Ojukwu got only 2%.
It will be a good research to understand why ndi Igbo didn’t vote for someone who is central to our political history. I perfectly understand why northerners or southerners didn’t vote for him. But ndi Igbo?
Is it that we lost confidence in him? Or that ndi Igbo didn’t see him winning the whole country, so played a more nationalistic game? Or we didn’t consider him a worthy candidate?
Ojukwu vied for Senate, sadly he lost. He tried presidency two times, he lost sadly.
This is to tell you that igbos are not known tribalistic and will vote who they think will could give Nigeria the best
PrincessDiana: The PMB administration's support for industry is what we are still enjoying till date. Fintech blossomed. Apps like OPay, Kuda, Branch, Paystack, Flutterwave received unprecedented support. Let's see whether Nigerians will be allowed to innovate again.
See all that PMB achieved in agriculture. What about industry. Go to Boi (Bank of Industry) Channel of YouTube and see hundreds of industry that the CBN supported under BOI without fear or favour.
You people never see anything. You will cry more than this. You keep insisting an administration that gave everything they could to Nigerians was the worst abi.. you will all learn the hard way.
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PapaNnamdi: Since 2015 wey buhari enter na this same thing unda de talk, Are you not tired? Buhari destroyed a lot, spoilt the economy only to die after leaving office, Bulabalu is doing his own now, destroy for the future that he will not be part of, Only for you to remind me of buharis tenure with this post, Enikure sir
Honestly it breaks my heart that Buhari came in destroyed everything and while this same supporters and people's in power said he was on track.
Now they came in now said different things and said they are on track now. But the economy is going down every day.
They come to the media and say nonsense.
Now tell me all this gammer they wrote here if they truly understand what they wrote?
Just talk anyhow thats all, steal and rig elections, increase tax
breadtoaster: Hmmm...... Yesterday was down a bit sad..... useless all evening. Hoping to come out stronger and feel better. Some women are being beaten and injured yet they stay.
So if someone isn't just concerned about me or just cold or minding his business, I am still in a better condition. I think Ibukun Awosika mentioned something like that too, one of her sermons, A woman said something about having to do everything and her husband not being there, trust me its draining but of course, no one remembers your mental health in such condition. She said in that program that she should be happy he isn't stopping her from pursuing her goals and she should leave him. that so far he sha finds one work to do or something like that. that should be enough. That it could be worse, where he would even stop her. so she is in a good place.
I guess learning to live and be happy with someone without having all you want / basic support you shouldnt even be getting from outside is a skill one needs to learn.
Some of us, just grew not being able to lie to ourselves when thing arent right or tell our selves to pretend all is right and have to learn now.
Yesterday I complained of urges and at least he made use of his hand, he didn't just leave me. Thats a thing to be thankful for. I am not sure he is ready to Bleep me normal in his mind, even though the prick is rising.
Further more he painted an illusion that he thinks his brother's wife is advising me wrongly. cus d first day i went to visit the brother wife and the brother, i told her to tell me truth as her younger sister things i need to know. she mentioned they weren't grateful people even if you remove your liver and all etc., and my husband and another of his brother behaves like woman, and they gaslight (i didn't really even know what behave like a woman means).
And stupidly one happy day, I mentioned what she told me to him (I was mistakenly pushed to cus he asked how i enjoyed myself, what we jisted, blablabla, to say everything, nothing to hide, to trust him, whether good or bad whether its even me that insulted him i should sha be open its no judgment zone), apparently, he told his brother, told his mother etc. Since then his brother has been hurt, he said its a lie blablabla, but he wont want to spoil my relationship with her and he would stomach it.
i wondered why my husband told his brother, does he want to destroy their marriage?
when staying with my sister, i didn't necessarily like everything her husband used style to say to me but i just take it as normal or be like if me too don hustle, I wont be here hearing what i dont want to hear. but i know telling my sister can cause issues or at least cause fight of i dont like what you told my younger sister or something. so me too respect myself.
So over time if he did something or not pushing to support and I say cant you see how i am struggling, you dont pity me, i would later just say, umm let me strengthen my mind, dem don tell me say you no dey grateful before (call that one of my bad characters).
so he feels i am in constant communication with her and hinted again to the already angry brother that its like we are in conversation and his wife is still advising me wrongly. it was a joint call that day so i know for sure he repeated it again to his brother.
Anyways, i have messaged and called his wife since then twice, she isn't picking or responding not sure what her husband has finally gone to tell her.
its fine i take responsibility, me and my big mouth.
But i just wonder, if he would tell his brother such knowing it can damage their home, how devoted would he be to ours? the brother stomached this talk to keep his home but he keeps reminding him what his wife may be doing as if to make him vent finally.
He always told me he counsels marriage, he has no problem etc. May God bless you to date someone that can praise himself, and when ou enter you realize the hype is more than the reality.
I am asking him if his brother ever mentioned to him now that he spoke to his wife about this and he said he doesn't know.
she's not responding and since he came, he has even said he won't go to their house.
He has told me I am not God, that because sometimes i would say lets go back to Nigeria (he feels am threatening him), meanwhile i always worry that it wasn't this bad there and things may be better for us there. I think I am God because of the immigration thing and all. It would hurt so deep because never for one did I say even if we go back, you go back alone. talks like this still made me feel this guy isn't someone that knows how to count his blessings.
Because he wanted me to marry him before coming here sef and be processing the paper while he chills back home, then he would now come. Even here he would always tell me, I should not worry when his paper comes. Immediately he landed, he encouraged me to do the court wedding here within a month. I remember my sister and parents warning me to slow down. dont let anyone rush you.
It was right after I think he stopped being sweet and started complaining that i dance etc. etc. It was then I asked why we were so smooth one month before the court wedding. though he says I am lying, because I was like you didn't complain I did all these things in that one month.
At this point, I am not God, and I agree, Let God work out his papers using him himself or another person.
We have been in the house since yesterday its quiet as a graveyard. only basic comments, hello, wen i entered, and wont you come and sleep when I didn't see him come to bed and the time i told him i was Hot and he used his hand.
How do people find their peace, in this kind of environment.
I swear i didn't learn it before, how to sit somewhere and be having your peace when you know all is not well.
And now I need to learn it.
Thank you so much for counsel. At this point, I would just pray for God's will and watch the way he is watching.
Watching doesn't solve problem, Am just tired of trying to fix what another phlegmatic person's temperament doesn't even feel the need to work on to fix.
I would keep praying, do only the basics on my end too and wait for God's will
Madam kukuma leave the man. Because u guys or u aren't tolerant
Which one be he behaves like a woman? He can't ble1ep u, he does this and that chai.
Whsts the achievement for this old men to remain in power.
Buhari was there for over 8 years even at point of death he refused to leave power despite him knowing that he couldn't manage the state affairs.
Same thing tinubu is doing. A man over 80 years of age. Instead of resting and allow capable hands manage the affairs... He should have been a statesman who advises for the best hands
Not a bad thing yet all European economies are holding their currency high.
Why has eu not devalued the euro? What about uk on pounds What about usd?
I think all of this has contributed to lower inflation from more than 30% last year to 23% this year, as well as improved FX reserve positions in Nigeria.
obj didn't devalued the naira before he saved 50 billion dollars plus
Kindered: Nice development. Your people are wallowing in poverty and you think bribing oppositions to join your party is the solution. Next, either you like it or not, Nigerians must be free.
Honestly. Instead of tinubu to solve crisis, reduce our sufferings.
He is sharing billions to bribe or buy opposition.
How will that help citizens? Government exist for citizens not opposition
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