Jakumo:

Instead of a $60 million building, Pastor Eunuch would have done better to purchase an enormous floating barge of equal value, so that he and his entire congregation of sheep could be towed out to sea and left there, as their activities do paralyse traffic on major Nigerian highways whenever the Redeemed Camp scam is in progress.

lol we can only hope that they spared N77,000 to design a new parking space now that they have a building to accomodate 1,000,000 "worshippers".
Putting the rest of us who ply the expressway through untold hardship in the name of "worshipping God" is no longer tenable.

somze:

   
Why should I think of it in a way that it did not happen and use it as a defence of my argument.

THIS IS LYING, MISLEADING AND FABRICATION OF EVENTS.

Dr E has landed again      

hhhmm, interesting!!!, so my telling Nwando to see it a different way is me lying ?? Are you sure English is not a problem here?? @Somze.

Anywho, well, guess what?? the pastor decided AGAINSt your plan and chose to stick with his own which he apparently feels is better than what you have to offer him on how he should spend his money ?? Why are you miffed LMAO!!!

Kobojunkie:


hhhmm, interesting!!!, so my telling Nwando to see it a different way is me lying ?? Are you sure English is not a problem here?? @Somze.

Anywho, well, guess what?? the pastor decided AGAINSt your plan and chose to stick with his own which he apparently feels is better than what you have to offer him on how he should spend his money ?? Why are you miffed LMAO!!!

See it in a way it did not happen MISLEADING, FABRICATION OF EVENTS AND LYING continues . . .

If you want new roads, water supply, Nepa, go ask the right people. That is the job of the government not the job of people like bill gates or the church people. They could do it but no where is it written that the church is in charge of building or developing that country.

somze:

See it in a way it did not happen MISLEADING, FABRICATION OF EVENTS AND LYING continues . . .

I think by now it would be obvious that you trying to twist my words and attack my person is not going to help your case at all. Fact remains, if you are the christian you claim you to be, judge your God for not reprimanding the many people before this pastor who spent their money on other things but feeding the poor and doing the same old things that we have been doing in that continent for decades now and still no show. I can not believe anyone would actually say that what africa needs is more freebie ?? People who work hard to make their money should not spend it on what they wanted to because there are still poor people, and no light in africa. I wonder what the world would be like if that was really how it should be.!!

Anywhoo, I need to go snooze, I asked God for a 42" LCD TV for christmas and I need to go sleep so I can wake up to make the money God has prepared for me to make,

*yawning**rubs eyes**reads post** * N7.7b* LET SOMEBODY SHOUT HALLELUYAH!
WHAT I first oticed when I was reading through this thread is that it was started by someone in the states and has lots of contributions by 9jahans living there?just let my Nairaland aborigin peeps wake up and you will get a real beating

The issue of building a luxurious house of worship isnt being contemplated I guess the main issh is the huge amount that was expended on the project,i all fairness to the RCCG it goes to show alot of appreciation on the part of the church to the blessings that God that has endowed on them so why not build something magnificent for the lawd and his people to worship in?

Nigeria is not among  the poor countries of the world I refuse to accept that?we are a developing nation!so why can't we have  the worlds most expensive church auditorium?thats another feather added to our cap of many feats as a nation.

If you talking about our people living in abject poverty and less than a $1 a day,then the duties of the church as much as its duties are concerned havent neglected in anyway the plights of the poor?accomodation,food,clothing is being provided to the poor by churches(I know about the RCCG---shalom parish where I worship and other RCCG churches). II.80% of private universities in the country were established by churches to save the deploring educational standard of the country!in terms of being affordable exceptional students are given schorlarships okay it might not be affordable for the common man but hey---the churches have gotten their own universities?

I will be attending fridays edition of the NEXT LEVEL @the Redemption camp and can't wait to worship in his presence at the worlds most expensive auditorium

odada:

I will be attending fridays edition of the NEXT LEVEL @the Redemption camp and can't wait to worship in his presence at the worlds most expensive auditorium

Everywhere you are, you are in God's presence. You dont have to travel to the finest auditorium to "worship in God's presence". I see a lot of hero worship, covetousness and greed gift wrapped as "worshipping Gawd".

hmm seems Nigeria is moving up to the "next level" of poverty. . . intellectual poverty.

Really there is absolutely nothing wrong in building that audtorium, its not pastor adeboyes house but Gods house most of us here are complaining of poverty on the streets its very easy to critizie others how many of us on this forum have visited a motherless babies home in the last 3 mont,hs? how many here make a concious effort to set aside part of our stipends for the poor even in our familie,s Yeah redeemed has spent much on that auditorium but that does not warrant the type of gutter talk im seeing here and a point of correction no body was forced to donate to this project it was entirely free will and the main reason was to decongest the expressway as much as possible during conventions. i`ll challange anybody on this forum to mention at least three churches that takes serious interest in the plight of the poor and lets see if RCCG would not be among the first three

davidylan:

Everywhere you are, you are in God's presence. You don't have to travel to the finest auditorium to "worship in God's presence". I see a lot of hero worship, covetousness and greed gift wrapped as "worshipping Gawd".

hmm seems Nigeria is moving up to the "next level" of poverty. . . intellectual poverty.

This is the Worst Kind of Poverty. Imagine This Sort of Sh*t in The Emerging Knowledge Era. God Help Us.

@davidylan
Look man no porn intended by my post ok?you are presently not in 9jah so you wont understand what I meant when I said I will be going down there this friday?theres a programme that the RCCG started since monday this week its tagged THE NEXT LEVEL! and its being held at the redemption camp!the programme spans 5 long days and will end this friday! so mr. dylan as much as I can be in Gods presence everywhere I still look forward to being with him on friday at the worlds most expensive auditorium too lest I forget you are very well INVITED.

, this thread is really interesting
, its opening our eyes to our values system

davidylan:

Everywhere you are, you are in God's presence. You don't have to travel to the finest auditorium to "worship in God's presence". I see a lot of hero worship, covetousness and greed gift wrapped as "worshipping Gawd".

hmm seems Nigeria is moving up to the "next level" of poverty. . . intellectual poverty.

Since when did building an auditorium become worshipping it? Please. Can we please try not to generalize and put everyone in the same bag Why should we continue to dictate to others what God wants for them to do?? Why not let God do what he will in this case while you and I move on to mind our own missions?? Many of us will never get half way done with our missions here on earth, why?? Cause we will be too focused on trying to tell others how to do things for God instead of allowing God himself be God and speak to those He will when He will. This is the sort of thing that killed Judas Iscariot, he spent his time with Jesus trying to tell Jesus how to be messiah and position himself for the kingdom take over he had already planned in his own mind without stopping to think who he was spending time with and how much more it would have benefitted him to have actually put aside his own plans and his own opinions and let God work through him ( I know I bunched things up here, i am up way past my bedtime). This happens to be africas mental problem. We like to mind everyone else's business for em without stopping to think that if we spent all that time doing what we are called to do, those who we think should change would SEE our works and God would touch them as he will and cause them to change if that be his will. Look around you, many africans here know all about countries like the USA, they can tell you how bad the country is doing and why this and that is a fool but the same can not and has never stepped out of his house to even clean up his street, let alone notice his neighbour who has lost 20lbs in the last week or so.


This is my prayer for african Christians. We stop pointing accusing fingers at those who do not do what WE want them to do and ALLOW God to do his work in their lives WHILE WE focus on ALLOWING God do his work in our own lives. This, for me, is one of the major issues I see in africa. We feel it is our place to mind everyone else's b usiness for em that is why we have those calling for everyone who does not believe as he/she does to be put down and demonized so they can feel better with themselves.

Merchants of False Hope. An Elusive Hope That Continues to Evade Many Nigerians. So Much Poverty in the Midst of So Much Christianity.

Anyway their 'Intangible Goods' Can Only Sell In This Kind of Sorry Society. They Can Cash in on the Pervasive Poverty While It Lasts.

Ask me Where Most that 8Billion Ended? In the Hands of Chinese Contractors. The Money Found Its Way To China. Now Who Was Blessed, China or Nigeria. The Intellectually and Chronically Lazy are on their way to cause the Annual Traffic Jam on Lagos-Ibadan Xpressway

Pain:

Merchants of Hope. An Elusive Hope That Continues to Evade Many Nigerians. So Much Poverty in the Midst of So Much Christianity.

Anyway their 'Intangible Goods' Can Only Sell In This Kind of Sorry Society. They Can Cash in on the Pervasive Poverty While It Lasts.

Oh get a life already. They are building an auditorium. What is intangible about that ?? What has that to do with poverty?? Must those who have not build again cause you can not feed the poor lone

Kobojunkie:

Oh get a life already. They are building an auditorium. What is intangible about that ?? What has that to do with poverty?? Must those who have not build again cause you can not feed the poor lone

Ask me Where Most that 8Billion Ended? In the Hands of Chinese Contractors. The Money Found Its Way To China. Now Who Was Blessed, China or Nigeria. The Intellectually and Chronically Lazy are on their way to cause the Annual Traffic Jam on Lagos-Ibadan Xpressway

Pain:

Ask me Where Most that 8Billion Ended? In the Hands of Chinese Contractors. The Money Found Its Way To China. Now Who Was Blessed, China or Nigeria. The Intellectually and Chronically Lazy are on their way to cause the Annual Traffic Jam on Lagos-Ibadan Xpressway

Please,  please,  please,  Are you saying that the only way the money would have been a blessing in your eye is if the money had ended up in Nigerian hands?? You mean the money being sucked up by the many corrupt leaders is more blessed than the money used to erect an auditorium in this case since the end money goes to china OH Boy!!! wait a while,  you will see more billions our your papa money going to china and india. LMAO!!!!! you think say nah joke You never see anything,  I would advise you drop this method of yours kia kia,  or else you might end up depressed when you hear in the next year that Trillions of naira has been paid by government to china to build your country for you. LMAO!!!

mamajama abi na wetin u call urself.d only advice i will give u be say make u no use ur hand attract curse on ur head.The word of God says touch notmy anointed and do my prophet no harm. A word is enough for the wise

Kobojunkie:

Please, please, please, Are you saying that the only way the money would have been a blessing in your eye is if the money had ended up in Nigerian hands?? You mean the money being sucked up by the many corrupt leaders is more blessed than the money used to erect an auditorium in this case since the end money goes to china OH Boy!!! wait a while, you will see more billions our your papa money going to china and india. LMAO!!!!! you think say nah joke You never see anything, I would advise you drop this method of yours kia kia, or else you might end up depressed when you hear in the next year that Trillions of naira has been paid by government to china to build your country for you. LMAO!!!

What has this Guy Just Said.

I mean it. We need to get our eyes off of other people money and how them wan take spend their own thing and focus more on getting back our own wey thieves steal for our eye korokoro. Thieves wey they dance in front of us every single dey they sing " YOU NO FIT TOUCH ME",  Haba Mallam!!! which kind thing be this?? Everytime person wan do something wey im want do with money wey im work hard for, people go come out from all corners of naija to tell am wetin e suppose use am for instead. HABA!!

LMAO!!!

I have had to deal with people like that in my life. I have a particular friend who owns a house but the minute I tell am say I wan buy house for 250 cash, e begin to dey fume for mouth. Why you know use that money feed poor people, do this and that and this is someone who has a house ooo?? I no get house, ordinary say I dey look to use my salary and some buy house cash down, e begin dey give me lecture say God no like that kind. If God no like am, why can't God tell me himself?? LMAO!!! Is God DUMB?? Can God not speak to Whomever he wants to speak to WHEN he wants or Is he Afraid to speak wey im come make you im mouth piece?? NA WA OO!!!

I tire for this kind thing oh, Wetin Christainity dey turn to sef?

At least we now have one of the worlds most expensive auditoriums.


Talking of misplaced priorities.

I wonder what men of God are turning into.Huh no more humility

This topic was only started yesterday and already 3 pages. Me, I'm just seeing it.
I think a lot of things have to be put into perspective since most of the contributors seem to be from outside Nigeria and have a few things mixed up.
First, the auditorium being talked about is not as much an auditorium as a structure with roof and floor. It is not a cathedral with walls, cushioned seats and air conditioning. The wind blows in and people sit on plastic chairs and wooden benches.I dont think it was about 'showing off' with one luxurious house of worship. It is anything but luxurious.
Second, the auditorium came up to meet a need. During redeemed programmes, Hundreds of thousands of people have no place to sit because the auditorium meant to sit Hundreds of thousands of people is full before the program starts. Lots of people have to sit in their cars throughout these programmes.
Third, That a huge amount was spent doesnt mean the church is not socially responsible. There are scholarships for thousands of people every year. That these things are not announced on TV as people expect doesnt mean it is not happening.
Finally, the traffic on the expressway is unfortunate. However, when you have some 600,000 people leaving a place at the same time, all leaving thru one expressway, theres just so much that can be done. It has nothing to do with parking space. There is adequate parking space. Imagine 50-60,000 cars crossing one expressway at the same time. its a logistics nightmare.

Can someone upload the pictures?

i don't think we should be talking about this. let that guy come back to naija and start a social crusade. don't stay there and be talking about issue when you don't know what's going on here. moreover should people worship God in a house again? No offence i'm not a redeemite but i ithink it's worth it. why are we talking about the money involve. at least many lives have been touched by this single act. there won't be long traffic on the express again. tell that guy MAMAJAMA to come back to naija and start a new socialist movment. Give something to this country.

lekki2004:

at least many lives have been touched by this single act.

how? Can homeless pple live there?

lekki2004:

there won't be long traffic on the express again.

the auditorium also houses a parking lot for at least 1,000,000 cars too?

lekki2004:

Give something to this country.

like a N7.7bn mosque?

LOL


God go help us oh

This is very good news, The house of GOD should be the biggest and most beautiful house on earth, not the house of men. If I have GOLD that will be enough to build a church I will do it,mamajama is and Antichrist

9ja4eva:

I tire for this kind thing oh, Wetin Christainity dey turn to sef?

Its unfortunate that we still have people who think like you

bennnie:

mamajama abi na wetin u call yourself.d only advice i will give u be say make u no use your hand attract curse on your head.The word of God says touch notmy anointed and do my prophet no harm. A word is enough for the wise

Another oft-used quote designed to stifle all opposition to the supreme will of the new-age pastors and 'men of God'. I'm pretty sure Rev. King has used this same quote in the past. After all, one man's Adeboye is another man's Rev. King/TB Joshua.

@topic
I've had cause in the past to lament the shameful neglect of the poor by Nigerian Christians. People deposit fat tithes with fanfare and then go home, open Vanguard newspaper and hurriedly skim over articles calling for donations to save the life of someone who needs a kidney transplant/heart surgery etc.
I think Kobojunkie's attempt to remark on the apathy towards IBB's stolen loot as compared to the furore generated by this auditorium is seriously flawed. Religion is designed to give men hope, and it's always more troubling when there's suspicion that that hope is being capitalised on.
At the very least, building such a magnificent edifice is misguided. we can already see redeemed members here proudly remarking that they have the biggest auditorium in the world. Is that the point? pride?
The New Testament in the Bible is the guide to the New Covenant we find ourselves under, and far more emphasis is paid to giving your things to the poor than paying tithes or making the 'Man of God' very comfortable. Kobojunkie is just being mischievous when he says anything given to the poor will have little or no impact. There's no way several orphanages will not positively shape lives of the homeless babies forever, no way that boreholes willm not be of enormous benefit to people without water. Why scorn such measures to build an unneccessarily expensive edifice?

Why would a church that babbles so much about Youth empowerment, why would a man who claims that God told him Nigeria will be the greatest nation in the world choose to forsake talents in Nigeria and select a chinese company to build the auditorium? If everyone follows his lead, is that how Nigeria will become great?

Perhaps Jakumo was right. Sheep! Jesus tried to de-emphasize material things in favour of spiritually enriching things. I guess that doesn't suit Nigerians, does it? The more ostentatious, the better.
If Jesus were to appear in Nigeria, he wouldn't be taken seriously if he wasn't driving an SUV and wearing a 3-piece suit.

BillGatesFan:

This is very good news, The house of GOD should be the biggest and most beautiful house on earth, not the house of men. If I have GOLD that will be enough to build a church I will do it,mamajama is and Antichrist

Mamajama is anti-Adeboye. To you that means he's an Anti-Christ. That means in your eyes Adeboye = Christ.
See how your lot slip into Blasphemy?

Now please, show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus or the apostles said the House of God should be the biggest and most beautiful on earth. I myself can only pinpoint where Jesus and the apostles advised people to give their things to the poor to obtain spiritual treasure.

But that isn't acceptable to you sheep, abi?

This just goes to show just how pathetic some Nigerians are now. A country descending fast into intellectual bancruptcy.

Yeah. More money to the pockets of the criminals/Pastors. Thats exactly what God wants

What a waste of time to even debate this. The criminals will keep on ripping off the guliable

And the gulliable who are foolish enough to keep giving their money to these pastors/thieves probably deserve t be ripped off


Meanwhile the Criminals keep building bigger houses to accomodate more sheepish sheep



Pathetic