Olanlere11: Pastor Tunde Bakare in his most recent teaching attributed Nigeria's problems to the fact that we have a poor man in power. In a series of declamations, Mr. Bakare asserted, “When the shoeless takes over, he does clueless things. When such men of low estate find themselves in power, terrible things begin to happen.” He added, “It is the timidity of the inferior that prods them to cover up. Deep rivers flow in silence.
If Bakare's teaching is anything to go by, what then is the fate of an average Nigerian, who has taken up education to change his social status? Is leadership an exclusive reserve of the rich? Is the prevailing insecurity orchestrated by the rich to humiliate the poor? Is it fair that a man of God who is suppose to preach equality now makes distinction between the rich and poor? Source: http://saharareporters.com/news-page/pastor-bakare-lampoons-mrs-patience-jonathan

Skii:

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“When the shoeless takes over, he does clueless things. When such men of low estate find themselves in power, terrible things begin to happen.” He added, “It is the timidity of the inferior that prods them to cover up. Deep rivers flow in majestic silence.”

Shay this is what Bakare said that you are deducing he meant Nigeria is only governable by the rich?

For a start, what or who do you define as poor?

Because in truth, the word poor is relative and it depends on the context in which it is being used. Either way, it means not having or lacking in…but not having or lacking in what?

You want to tell me that someone who is very intelligent and highly intellectual is poor? Or someone who is highly talented in art, music or any other skill is poor? Certainly not!!

It is only in Nigeria today, that being poor generally refers to the lack of material things (whether you agree or not) and this is a pity. But I really cannot blame those who think this way. Years of “suffering” brought about by the terrible things (such as corruption and embezzling of state funds MEANT FOR ALL) that happened when such men of low estate found themselves in power and their celebration has brought upon them this mind-set.

These terrible things that have been perpetrated over the years and in all corners of power (not just with Jonathan or the FG) have eroded all the moral and value systems of our society to the point that the real things that should describe wealth or richness that ought to be rewarded such as sound character, honesty, accountability and STANDING UP AGAINST THE INJUSTICE AND PERVERSION OF POWER are now being discredited or ignored. It is now the other way round…

SUCH men (and not everybody) of Low estate as is being referred to here is the classifying or umbrella term for those who are not necessarily lacking in material things but are POOR (lacking or not having) in morals, having no shame or character, lacking self-control and self-discipline and the likes!!

Bode George, James Ibori, Alameiseigha (however his name is spelt, the one that dressed like a woman to evade identification at the airport) are examples of men of LOW ESTATE!![/size]

LFJ:

I guess he said this in his private meeting with you.

naturalwaves:

I hate the fact that,I have to talk on this over and over again!....Like I said earlier on in d previous post on PTB,Tunde Bakare's intellectual level(being a sound lawyer of high repute) is just too high for a lot of Nigerians to decipher and this is obvious from from d funny conclusions being drawn from his statements even by d Sahara reporter. It is also very funny to see how d so called Sahara reporter structured people's thinking and thoughts with the first sentence of d report before quoting Bakare and a lot of peoole fell for it (bad journalism).

FIRST OF ALL, There's a diff. Btw saying; "WHEN A SHOELESS TAKES OVER" and "WHEN THE SHOELESS TAKES OVER".The first statement( when a shoeless takes over)is a general statement. However,the second statement which was said by PTB(when d shoeless takes over) refers to a particular person which in this case is Jonathan.The statement doesn't mean that people of low background can't make it.ok?
EXAMPLE......WHEN A FOOTBALLER STEPS ON D PITCH,HE SCORES GOALS(general statement).WHEN THE FOOTBALLER STEPS ON D PITCH,HE SCORES GOALS(This is specific and directed towards a certain footballer)and sensible people will ask Who? I.e which footballer am I referring to?.Therefore,Bakare's statement was directed specifically to Jonathan and he isn't saying people of low backgrounds cannot make it.
POINT 2....Since the subject is already known,the rest follows...WHEN SUCH MEN OF LOW ESTATE FIND THEMSELVES IN POWER,TERRIBLE THINGS BEGIN TO HAPPEN.This statement is directed also to d subject and it means when people of Jonathan's mentality(CLUELESS persons) takes over,terrible things happen.QED.
Moreover,I guess the OP pasted this to provide a misleading twist to the previous topic which was well won by the PTB supporters and I am so dissapointed at the Admin/Mods for bringing this on for d 2nd time in less than 48hrs.I guess this was done basically for selfish profit making reasons and that's not good enough!

shine-eye:
BAKARE HAS DEPARTED FROM HIS CALLING AND IS NOW A SHADOW OF HIS FORMER SELF.

LFJ:

Sorry, I don't know that my post mock Mr president. Thank you for this information. For yor information, there is nothing special about Mr Jonathan humble begining, Shagari started his carrer as a teacher. Awolowo was from poor family, infact 75% of former Nigeria president had similar background. So what is special about I had a shoeless background.

edicolove: Attempting to defend Bakare's statement is very ridiculous. The only defense anyone can put forward is to somehow prove that he didn't use those words. I am amazed that some have written pages to explain a statement that doesn't need explanation. It is not prose. It is as direct and bare and simple as can be. The defining 2 words are "such men". Those 2 words remove any doubt that he was referring to a demography. The demography in this case is "men of low estate". There is absolutely no ambiguity is his statement. Forget about even being a pastor, no educated man should say such a thing. It is even worse than the "phone is not for the poor" statement from David Mark, years ago. The bible truly said "in the multitude of words there will always be terrible blunders". One of the problem of talking too much is that you will eventually reveal your inner convictions and beliefs. You might pretend for a lond time but eventually, you will lay yourself bare. If Bakare had said this in the developed world, he would have become public enemy number one. He is lucky that Nigeria is a divided place were people take partisan and tribal stance. But posterity will not forgive him for those words. It will hunt him for life.

LFJ:

Sorry, I don't know that my post mock Mr president. Thank you for this information. For yor information, there is nothing special about Mr Jonathan humble begining, Shagari started his carrer as a teacher. Awolowo was from poor family, infact 75% of former Nigeria president had similar background. So what is special about I had a shoeless background.

edicolove: Attempting to defend Bakare's statement is very ridiculous. The only defense anyone can put forward is to somehow prove that he didn't use those words. I am amazed that some have written pages to explain a statement that doesn't need explanation. It is not prose. It is as direct and bare and simple as can be. The defining 2 words are "such men". Those 2 words remove any doubt that he was referring to a demography. The demography in this case is "men of low estate". There is absolutely no ambiguity is his statement. Forget about even being a pastor, no educated man should say such a thing. It is even worse than the "phone is not for the poor" statement from David Mark, years ago. The bible truly said "in the multitude of words there will always be terrible blunders". One of the problem of talking too much is that you will eventually reveal your inner convictions and beliefs. You might pretend for a lond time but eventually, you will lay yourself bare. If Bakare had said this in tuhe developed world, he would have become public enemy number one. He is lucky that Nigeria is a divided place were people take partisan and tribal stance. But posterity will not forgive him for those words. It will hunt him for life.

tunnytox:

100% Gabbage
Simply admit that your level of understanding/comprehension/understanding of language is abysmally poor and we'll understand.
I wonder if you've lived in a developed world before otherwise you won't be spewing that Gabbage you posted above.

Okija_juju:



Again sir...

YOU ARE DEVIATING...

I dont care about the poor background of any other person. Thats irrelevant in this matter.


This Thread is about the statement which was made by Tunde Bakare implying that Men of Low Estate are unfit to be president because they are Inferior.

Focus...

tunnytox:

100% Gabbage
Simply admit that your level of understanding/comprehension/understanding of language is abysmally poor and we'll understand.
I wonder if you've ever lived in a developed world before otherwise you won't be spewing that Gabbage you posted above.

tunnytox:

100% Gabbage
Simply admit that your level of understanding/comprehension/understanding of language is abysmally poor and we'll understand.
I wonder if you've ever lived in a developed world before otherwise you won't be spewing that Gabbage you posted above.

Okija_juju:


Erm... Im patiently waiting for this your post to start making sense..

What exactly were you trying to say with the "developed world" part..

I would really like to hear you out.. Please continue.. I am all ears.

bamto: A much fuller text of his message has been debated on this forum. This is a calculated attempt to stand logic on its head. Op's post is a complete falsehood and is misleading. Sahara Reporters are full of craps from the desert.

TroGunn:

You are the one posting garbage. Bakare attacked the materially poor. People should stop.defending rubbish. Bakare seems useless as a pastor, whether he'll be better in politics remains to be seen. He sure talks faster than he thinks.

edicolove:

Normally, I don't respond to pettiness and side stepping. But for the benefit of many on here I will respond.

The essense of talking in public is communication. Clear and concise. If people have to go back to school to do PhD to understand Bakare's statement, then he has failed woefully as a communicator and public speaker. Please do not indict him more. His words are simple as can be "when such men of low estate" does not need to be explained any further. That demography is probably around 80% or more of the Nigerian population.

edicolove:

Normally, I don't respond to pettiness and side stepping. But for the benefit of many on here I will respond.

The essense of talking in public is communication. Clear and concise. If people have to go back to school to do PhD to understand Bakare's statement, then he has failed woefully as a communicator and public speaker. Please do not indict him more. His words are simple as can be "when such men of low estate" does not need to be explained any further. That demography is probably around 80% or more of the Nigerian population.

tunnytox:
Ask the op that I quoted why he thought Bakare couldn't have said that in a developed world, I wonder what he meant by developed world because in those developed world political arena I hear even more than what Bakare said all the time.

A-ZeD:

That "such men" in his statement was refering to a particular person not the people in general.

edicolove:

If you ever use such words in the developed world as a practising politician, your career is over. Even your own party men will hand you out to dry. You will even be sued by several NGOs for hate speech against a demography. In fact, you can't even say that as a pastor. Obama had to keep a big distance from his former pastor so he wouldn't get fried

tunnytox:

Did you even bother to read the full text of his speech and understand it without prejudice or you just want to come here to show like others that you're anti PTB?
Seriously what point are you trying to make?

tunnytox:

The difference is a shoeless background coupled with cluelessness is no doubt a recipe for disaster